From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V8 #43 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, February 14 2003 Volume 08 : Number 043 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] All down the Line (And Back In Time) ["Heather Buch" ] RE: [AVALON] All down the Line (And Back In Time) ["Arnold Schulberg" ] [AVALON] Off Topic UN CUT. ["Mark Yates" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry & Roxy Openers [DEAGLERR@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] All down the Line (And Back In Time) ["Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] All down the Line (And Back In Time) On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:28:08 -0500, KB Porter wrote To this day, I sometimes take out that ancient > cassette recorder and drift back in time to simpler days > while listening to this song. "So proud to live. So proud > to die." Yah, Arnie, I hear similarities with Roxy Music. > I am often surprised to read contributions to the list where > someone states something to the effect that, 'Bryan Ferry or > Roxy Music invented or revolutionized some major aspect of > Seventies music'. Great music isn't formed in a vacuum. I > do wonder sometimes, who the very first musician was, when > the very first singer sang. Pre coyote perhaps? Were our > feathered friends the first whistlers? Did humans invent > music? Song? ... I agree that seventies music (and the seventies in general) seems like a much simpler time. I guess all past times do. I think there was a lot of music during the seventies that just made simple statements about what the singer considered to be beautiful and poetic and give a positive sense of completeness, like: "thunder always happens when it's raining players always love you when they're playing" or (from the great Nile Rogers and company) " good times. These are the good times.... clams on the half shell, and roses, roses" or "I'm every woman, it's all in me" or "the cuervo gold the fine columbian makes tonight a wonderful thing" or "Flying high, high, I'm a bird in the sky I'm an eagle that rides on the breeze High, high, what a feeling to fly Over mountains and forests and seas And to go anywhere that I please" or even "planets align so rare, there's promise in the aiiiiirrrrrreee" (yes, I loved Olivia and even sang a solo of this at age 9 on a cruise ship in the Aegean, but I digress). I was in the single digits then, but what I remember was that there was this sense of confidence and fulfillment and truth in beauty and nature. I imagine people in their natural wood cabins with their wind chimes and macrame (sp) hanging planters, listening to built-in speakers and letting the "rocky mountain high" breeze through. Based on the lyrics, the planets seemed to be in balance, and if it wasn't, you didn't fight against it or criticized it, you simply longed for it: "yeah, she's probably somebody's baby tonight." I think there was a sense of wistfulness, but not a sense of fighting against the world in the music of the 70's, at least not in the mainstream. Fighting against the world came in the 80's and 90'. Was Roxy Music an exception to this? I don't think they were fighting the world, but maybe their world wasn't quite so dreamy and mellow. Heather > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: > http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: > http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) Heather Buch ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:03:52 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] All down the Line (And Back In Time) On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Heather Buch wrote: > I was in the single digits then, but what I remember was that there was > this sense of confidence and fulfillment and truth in beauty and nature. > I imagine people in their natural wood cabins with their wind chimes and > macrame (sp) hanging planters, listening to built-in speakers and > letting the "rocky mountain high" breeze through. Based on the lyrics, > the planets seemed to be in balance, and if it wasn't, you didn't fight > against it or criticized it, you simply longed for it: ??? The 70s brought us Watergate, the secret war in Cambodia, the massacres of Pol Pot, the Viet Nam war, horrible inflation, the women's rights movement taking center stage, attempted presidential assassinations, high profile kidnapping cases, the omnipresent tension of the Cold War, tensions in the Persian Gulf, war in Israel, the revolution in Iraq and the taking of Americans as hostages, and this is what I can remember off the top of my head as I am running out the door. > Was Roxy Music an exception to this? I don't think they were fighting > the world, but maybe their world wasn't quite so dreamy and mellow. Roxy existed in a fantasy world where reality didn't intrude (as did most of the artists you quoted). Popular culture cannot just be read as a text which exactly reflects reality; most of the time it reflects just the opposite. Professor (ABD) Matan ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:13:58 -0500 From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] All down the Line (And Back In Time) In an email dated Thu, 13 Feb 2003 1:03:52 pm GMT, Colleen Matan writes: > >Roxy existed in a fantasy world where reality didn't intrude (as did most >of the artists you quoted). Popular culture cannot just be read as a text >which exactly reflects reality; most of the time it reflects just the >opposite. > Now that's a statement I wholeheartedly agree with, most musical groups do sing about/live in a world which has nothing to do with reality whatsoever, but isn't that sometimes the intention, to escape reality? Of course there are groups/singers that do sing about reality, but they tend, on the whole, not to be as popular as the "dreamweavers" Goodie >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html >US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:14:51 -0500 From: "Arnold Schulberg" Subject: RE: [AVALON] All down the Line (And Back In Time) Sorry to say, Heather, but the lyrics are: Thunder only happens when it's raining Players only love you when they're playing Important difference. Arnie "thunder always happens when it's raining players always love you when they're playing" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:14:14 -0600 From: "Jas" Subject: [AVALON] All down the Line (And Back In Time) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:28:08 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] All down the Line (And Back In Time) Decades ago, I was a teenager growing up in the middle of Minnesota. Not as "techie" as my older brother who used 'patch-cords', I crudely set the microphone of my new cassette recorder next to the monophonic speaker of my bedroom radio. WLS Chicago (my how far those AM waves traveled) was my link to the exciting world of non classical music. There, in bed, I lay waiting to hear my new favorite song - Paul Revere and The Raiders' "Cherokee People" ... So proud to die." Yah, Arnie, I hear similarities with Roxy Music. I am often surprised to read contributions to the list where someone states something to the effect that, 'Bryan Ferry or Roxy Music invented or revolutionized some major aspect of Seventies music'. Great music isn't formed in a vacuum. I do wonder sometimes, who the very first musician was, when the very first singer sang. Pre coyote perhaps? Were our feathered friends the first whistlers? Did humans invent music? Song? ... You remember WLS AM too? I later listening to WLS FM which was pretty good until they started to play too much 3 Dog Night another other 70's banalities. That was then that I discovered XRT and then Roxy Music. Ah evolution......... I had not thought of the connection to Paul Revere and the Raiders but in retrospect it does make some sense. Maybe that's the reason I started to like Roxy. Hmmm...... Just where is Mark Lindsey these days anyway? Just like Me morphed into Just like You. Aha! Jas ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:37:47 -0500 From: "Arnold Schulberg" Subject: RE: [AVALON] All down the Line (And Back In Time) Here's a link to the Mark Lindsay tour schedule. Funny, I thought he'd be in permanent residence in Vegas; maybe share a bill with Burton Cummings! http://www.marklindsay.com/tourschedule.htm Arnie - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Jas Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 8:14 AM To: Avalon Discussion Group Subject: [AVALON] All down the Line (And Back In Time) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:28:08 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] All down the Line (And Back In Time) Decades ago, I was a teenager growing up in the middle of Minnesota. Not as "techie" as my older brother who used 'patch-cords', I crudely set the microphone of my new cassette recorder next to the monophonic speaker of my bedroom radio. WLS Chicago (my how far those AM waves traveled) was my link to the exciting world of non classical music. There, in bed, I lay waiting to hear my new favorite song - Paul Revere and The Raiders' "Cherokee People" ... So proud to die." Yah, Arnie, I hear similarities with Roxy Music. I am often surprised to read contributions to the list where someone states something to the effect that, 'Bryan Ferry or Roxy Music invented or revolutionized some major aspect of Seventies music'. Great music isn't formed in a vacuum. I do wonder sometimes, who the very first musician was, when the very first singer sang. Pre coyote perhaps? Were our feathered friends the first whistlers? Did humans invent music? Song? ... You remember WLS AM too? I later listening to WLS FM which was pretty good until they started to play too much 3 Dog Night another other 70's banalities. That was then that I discovered XRT and then Roxy Music. Ah evolution......... I had not thought of the connection to Paul Revere and the Raiders but in retrospect it does make some sense. Maybe that's the reason I started to like Roxy. Hmmm...... Just where is Mark Lindsey these days anyway? Just like Me morphed into Just like You. Aha! Jas ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:38:16 +0100 From: "Heather Buch" Subject: Fw: Re: [AVALON] All down the Line (And Back In Time) > > I was in the single digits then, but what I remember was that there was > > this sense of confidence and fulfillment and truth in beauty and nature. > > I imagine people in their natural wood cabins with their wind chimes and > > macrame (sp) hanging planters, listening to built-in speakers and > > letting the "rocky mountain high" breeze through. Based on the lyrics, > > the planets seemed to be in balance, and if it wasn't, you didn't fight > > against it or criticized it, you simply longed for it: > > ??? The 70s brought us Watergate, the secret war in Cambodia, the > massacres of Pol Pot, the Viet Nam war, horrible inflation, the women's > rights movement taking center stage, attempted presidential > assassinations, high profile kidnapping cases, the omnipresent > tension of the Cold War, tensions in the Persian Gulf, war in Israel, > the revolution in Iraq and the taking of Americans as hostages, and > this is what I can remember off the top of my head as I am running > out the door. I'm not saying it wasn't bad "out there", I'm just saying that the music seemed to be less permeable to the badness.... > > > Was Roxy Music an exception to this? I don't think they were fighting > > the world, but maybe their world wasn't quite so dreamy and mellow. > > Roxy existed in a fantasy world where reality didn't intrude (as did > most of the artists you quoted). exactly. Popular culture cannot just be > read as a text which exactly reflects reality; most of the time it > reflects just the opposite. But sometimes, like in the 90's and now, it reflects more. Heather ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:31:12 EST From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry & Roxy Openers In a message dated 2/12/03 10:11:02 PM, Dusenbury1@aol.com writes: << Martina, I thought her to be the most perky of the three, and the cutest as well. >> Those are not positive attributes, in my book. Ferry seems to always have completely irrelevant opening acts, I don't hate her. Don't want to see her dead in a ditch or anything. Just not interested in her as a singer/recording artist. The times I've seen BF/RM WITH openers, they werewere: The Atlantics/Manafesto tour Combustible Edison/Mamouna tour Rufus Wainwright/Reunion tour Martina Whoever? /Frantic tour I rest my case. Regards R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:56:22 EST From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] All down the Line (And Back In Time) In a message dated 2/13/03 9:38:40 AM, aschulberg@charter.net writes: << Here's a link to the Mark Lindsay tour schedule. Funny, I thought he'd be in permanent residence in Vegas; maybe share a bill with Burton Cummings! >> I kind'a figured he might be playing the big room in hell by now. I guess the number of "artists" who deserve to be there is overwhelming, so they have to rotate. (Back on your heads, coffee break's over!) Especially evil was Paul Revere's late 60s TV show. Can't remember the name offhand, but it was sort of a cross between the Monkees & American Bandstand. it was hip. it was happening. it was.... GROOVY. Dunno maybe It was just the brown acid? Their 18th Century drag (Paul Revere, get it?) got to be pretty tired too. About as tired as the moth-eaten Civil War uniforms of Gary Pucket & the Union Gap. (Union, get it?) At least Mr. Pucket had a valuable social message to spread, I.E.: the joys of jail bait. (every one of Pucket's songs was about underage nookie!!!) Maybe a new song topic for BF? This whole Paul Revere & the Raiders vs. Roxy topic has had me nausious for the past couple of days. Please, make it stop!!!! Regards, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:23:21 -0800 From: "mark shanahan" Subject: RE: [AVALON] All down the Line (And Back In Time) _______________________________________________________________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <-----Original Message-----> >From: Arnold Schulberg >[cut] maybe share a bill with Burton Cummings! sorry, but this reminded me of a rather ugly period in my college days (that is, the mention of burton cummings). when i DJ'd at school (graveyard), these drunk buggers would inexorably call up for *whole* sides of the guess who. i obliged them once, which obviously was a truly horrid mistake - and leads to another story which is pretty much ado about nothing ... and a digression. as to ferry's openers, i still say i liked combustible edison quite a bit. a far cry from, say, rufus wainwright (who was just inappropriate for roxy, obviously). i think it's been said here the speculation is that ferry doesn't want to be upstaged. i can't see why he wouldn't want to have someone a bit more interesting than these poppy-folkies [i like some folk, but these guys are not my cup ...]. i mean, OK radiohead's a bit over-the-top, but come on! throw a brick and find someone to make it a _show_. especially if he's going to continually tour now. go back to bed and wake up again ... ms ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:00:13 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] All down the Line (And Back In Time) At 08.03 -0500 03-02-13, Colleen Matan wrote: >??? The 70s brought us Watergate, the secret war in Cambodia, the >massacres of Pol Pot, the Viet Nam war, horrible inflation, the women's >rights movement taking center stage, attempted presidential >assassinations, high profile kidnapping cases, the omnipresent tension of >the Cold War, tensions in the Persian Gulf, war in Israel, the revolution >in Iraq and the taking of Americans as hostages, and this is what I can >remember off the top of my head as I am running out the door. Did anything good happend in the 70's? Yes, since 1980 is part of 70's (decades run from 1 to 10) we saw the birth of Solidarity in Poland, Ronald Reagan winning the presidential election and, 30 odd years late, applying George Kennan's containment strategy leading to an end of the cold war. In Sweden the 1980 referendom on nuclear power (and Harrisburg was a big deal) sparked a Green party. But the 1979 revolution was in Iran, ending one dictatorship and starting another one. Saddam took power the same year. Everything is like Janus: "There are two Americas. One is the America of Lincoln and Adlai Stevenson; The other is the America of Teddy Roosevelt and the modern superpatriots. One is generous and humane, the other narrowly egotistical; one is self-critical, the other self-righteous; one is sensible, the other romantic; one is good-humored, the other solemn; one is inquiring, the other pontificating; one is moderate, the other filled with passionate intensity; one is judicious and the other arrogant in the use of great power." Senator William Fulbright in "The Arrogance Of Power" 1966 NP Badly Drawn Boy, Silent sigh Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:30:16 +0100 From: "Heather Buch" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry & Roxy Openers On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:31:12 EST, DEAGLERR wrote > Ferry seems to always have completely irrelevant opening acts, > I think we saw Robbie Robertson (Robinson) open for Ferry at the Pantages in Hollywood in '95 (Mamouma). > > The times I've seen BF/RM WITH openers, they werewere: > The Atlantics/Manafesto tour > Combustible Edison/Mamouna tour > Rufus Wainwright/Reunion tour > Martina Whoever? /Frantic tour Heather Heatherson ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:31:54 -0000 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: [AVALON] Off Topic UN CUT. Just a quick off topic line to let anyone who may be interested, that this months (March) issue of UNCUT has a free copy of STARMAN...........covers of Bowie songs. From the likes of Ian McCulloch, Edwyn Collins and the Divine Comedy and a brilliant cover of Rock and Roll suicide by Black Box Recorder taken from a John Peel session,18 tracks in total.its worth a listen.....it also has good articles on Joe Strummer , Nick Cave and Lou Reed. Plus a special feature on Bowie, lots of Mick Ronson tributes (there will never be anyone like Mick). Just thought I would let you know, I understand that it may appeal to a number of you and I didn't want any of you to miss out. Regards. Mark. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:25:37 EST From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry & Roxy Openers In a message dated 2/13/03 4:31:16 PM, hbuch@www.thebuchs.dk writes: << I think we saw Robbie Robertson (Robinson) open for Ferry at the Pantages in Hollywood in '95 (Mamouma). >> If it's Robbie Robertson from The Band, that would have been worth the admission right there. Regards, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 20:15:39 -0600 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] All down the Line (And Back In Time) ----- Original Message ----- From: DEAGLERR@aol.com To: avalon@smoe.org Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] All down the Line (And Back In Time) Especially evil was Paul Revere's late 60s TV show. Can't remember the name offhand, but it was sort of a cross between the Monkees & American Bandstand. Where The Action Is - later changed to just Action. Judy ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V8 #43 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest