From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #426 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, January 1 2003 Volume 07 : Number 426 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Sunday Times [=?iso-8859-1?q?jeanne=20louise?= ] Re: [AVALON] Brain Eno article from CounterPunch [Jane Fraser Subject: [AVALON] Sunday Times The Sunday Times had a list of the best tracks of the year,One Way Love was there,the article is full of praise for Bryan's voice:"You may have forgotten what a great singer Ferry is.But on One Way Love,his voice takes flight.It soars over the verses,hovers lovingly over the bridge and simply explodes into each chorus.He clearly loves this song.And the song loves him back." Further on it says:"Given that Ferry's own songwriting is reinvigorated on Frantic,it's almost a shame to pick a cover version.But this reinvention of the Drifters classic is irrepressible." JL. Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:20:14 -0500 From: "Keith Shockley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Brain Eno article from CounterPunch - ----- Original Message ----- From: Rod LeCloux To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 12:52 AM Subject: [AVALON] Brain Eno article from CounterPunch as an american, it saddens me to say that brian eno is, for the most part, correct in his analysis......... keith > (this is not a music article -- read at your own risk) > > Rod > > > CounterPunch > > December 30, 2002 > > American Empire as Gated Community > by BRIAN ENO > > The American edition of Time will not be running the piece, as apparently > they think that even the mildest criticism from our warmest friends will be > too much for a U.S. audience to handle. B. Eno > > "Europeans have always looked at America with a mixture of fascination and > puzzlement, and now, increasingly, disbelief. How is it that a country that > prides itself on its economic success could have so many very poor people? > > How is it that a country so insistent on the rule of law should seek to > exempt itself from international agreements? And how is it that the world's > beacon of democracy can have elections dominated by wealthy special interest > groups? For me, the question has become: "How can a country that has > produced so much cultural and economic wealth act so dumb?" > > I could fill this page with the names of Americans who have influenced, > entertained and educated me. They represent what I admire about America: a > vigorous originality of thought, and a confidence that things can be changed > for the better. > > That was the America I lived in and enjoyed from 1978 until 1983. That > America was an act of faith--the faith that "otherness" was not threatening > but nourishing, the faith that there could be a country big enough in spirit > to welcome and nurture all the diversity the world could throw at it. But > that vision is being eclipsed by a suspicious, introverted America, a > country-sized version of that peculiarly American form of ghetto: the gated > community. > > A gated community is defensive. Designed to keep the "others" out, it > dissolves the rich web of society into a random clustering of disconnected > individuals. It turns paranoia and isolation into a lifestyle. > > Surely this isn't the America that anyone dreamed of; it's a last resort, > nobody's choice. It's especially ironic since so much of the best > newthinking about society, economics, politics and philosophy in the last > century came from America. Unhampered by the snobbery and exclusivity of > much European thought, American thinkers vaulted > forward--courageous,innovative and determined to talk in a public language. > > But, unfortunately, over the same period, the mass media vaulted backwards, > thriving on increasingly simple stories and trivializing news into something > indistinguishable from entertainment. As a result, a wealth of original and > subtle thought--America's real wealth--is squandered. > > This narrowing of the American mind is exacerbated by the withdrawal of the > left from active politics. Virtually ignored by the media, the left has > further marginalized itself by a retreat into introspective cultural > criticism. It seems content to do yoga and gender studies, leaving the > fundamentalist Christian right and the multinationals to do the politics. > > The separation of church and state seems to be breaking down too. Political > discourse is now dominated by moralizing, like George W. Bush's promotion of > American "family values" abroad, and dissent is unpatriotic. "You're either > with us or against us" is the kind of cant you'd expectfrom a zealous > mullah, not an American president. > > When Europeans make such criticisms, Americans assume we're envious. "They > want what we've got," the thinking goes, "and if they can't get it, they're > going to stop us from having it." But does everyone want what America has? > Well, we like some of it but could do without the rest: the highest rates of > violent crime, economic inequality, functional illiteracy, incarceration and > drug use in the developed world. President Bush recently declared that the > U.S. was "the single surviving model of human progress". > > Maybe some Americans think this self-evident, but the rest of us see it as a > clumsy arrogance born of ignorance. > > Europeans tend to regard free national health services, unemployment > benefits, social housing, and so on as pretty good models of humanprogress. > We think it's important--civilized, in fact--to help people who fall through > society's cracks. This isn't just altruism, but an understanding that having > too many losers in society hurts everyone. It's better for everybody to have > a stake in society than to have a resentful underclass bent on wrecking > things. > > To many Americans, this sounds like socialism, big government, the nanny > state. But so what? The result is: Europe has less crime and less poverty > and arguably higher quality of life than the U.S., which makes a lot of us > wonder why America doesn't want some of what we've got. > > Too often, the U.S. presents the "American way" as the only way, insisting > on its kind of free market Darwinism as the only acceptable" model of human > progress." But isn't civilization what happens when people stop behaving as > if they're trapped in a ruthless Darwinian struggle and start thinking about > communities and shared futures? America as a gated community won't work, > because not even the world's sole superpower can build walls high enough to > shield itself from the intertwined realities of the 21st century. > > There's a better form of security: reconnect with the rest of the world, > don't shut it out; stop making enemies and start making friends. Perhaps > it's asking a lot to expect America to act differently from all the other > empires in history, but wasn't that the original idea?" > > Brian Eno is a musician who believes that regime change begins at home. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 3 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&S U= > http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_eliminatevi ruses_3mf > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html > US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:26:34 -0400 From: "Don Schultz, Jr." Subject: Re: [AVALON] Brain Eno article from CounterPunch As an American, I think Mr. Eno is just as guilty in his sweeping generalizations about this country as Mr. Bush is with his Axis of Evil propaganda... perhaps they both should go and listen to Neroli (i.e., "thinking music") before they speak... Whew... No wonder that sweet Mr. Ferry couldn't work with the man for an extended period. Happy New Year Yall! Even U2, ol' sour puss, Mr. Eno ;-) Regards, Don Schultz > >as an american, it saddens me to say that brian eno is, for the most part, >correct in his analysis......... > >keith >> >> Rod >> >> >> CounterPunch >> >> December 30, 2002 >> >> American Empire as Gated Community >> by BRIAN ENO >> >> The American edition of Time will not be running the piece, as apparently >> they think that even the mildest criticism from our warmest friends will >be >> too much for a U.S. audience to handle. B. Eno >> >> "Europeans have always looked at America with a mixture of fascination and >> puzzlement, and now, increasingly, disbelief. How is it that a country >that >> prides itself on its economic success could have so many very poor people? n a country that has >> produced so much cultural and economic wealth act so dumb?" ............... >> >> Brian Eno is a musician who believes that regime change begins at home. >> >> _________________________________________________________________ > > ------------------------------------ Don Schultz, Jr. 440 Oakland Dr. Burlington, NC 27215-4761 Home phone: (336) 538-9951 dmsltz@netpath.net ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:43:20 -0500 From: "Pete Seely" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Brain Eno article from CounterPunch I can't find a single point by Eno to disagree with. His remark about the left being more interested these days in yoga and gender studies couldn't be more spot on... Pete S. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Schultz, Jr." To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Brain Eno article from CounterPunch > As an American, I think Mr. Eno is just as guilty in his sweeping > generalizations about this country as Mr. Bush is with his Axis of Evil > propaganda... perhaps they both should go and listen to Neroli (i.e., > "thinking music") before they speak... Whew... No wonder that sweet Mr. > Ferry couldn't work with the man for an extended period. > > Happy New Year Yall! > Even U2, ol' sour puss, Mr. Eno ;-) > > Regards, > Don Schultz > > > > > >as an american, it saddens me to say that brian eno is, for the most part, > >correct in his analysis......... > > > >keith > > >> > >> Rod > >> > >> > >> CounterPunch > >> > >> December 30, 2002 > >> > >> American Empire as Gated Community > >> by BRIAN ENO > >> > >> The American edition of Time will not be running the piece, as apparently > >> they think that even the mildest criticism from our warmest friends will > >be > >> too much for a U.S. audience to handle. B. Eno > >> > >> "Europeans have always looked at America with a mixture of fascination and > >> puzzlement, and now, increasingly, disbelief. How is it that a country > >that > >> prides itself on its economic success could have so many very poor people? > n a country that has > >> produced so much cultural and economic wealth act so dumb?" > ............... > >> > >> Brian Eno is a musician who believes that regime change begins at home. > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------ > Don Schultz, Jr. > 440 Oakland Dr. > Burlington, NC 27215-4761 > Home phone: (336) 538-9951 > dmsltz@netpath.net > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html > US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:24:16 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Brain Eno article from CounterPunch On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, Pete Seely wrote: > I can't find a single point by Eno to disagree with. His remark about > the left being more interested these days in yoga and gender studies > couldn't be more spot on... Yes, but, but, but, my yoga studio offers HOT yoga and and and... Happy New Year, y'all! Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:44:00 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Brain Eno article from CounterPunch Happy New Year, y'all, right back. I can't say I'm very happy hearing Eno spout Bono rhetoric. Making such oversimplified generalizations, you can't help but be right on at least a couple of points. I've always said the only thing stopping Bono from being David Koresh is Bono has a better guitarist (insert smiley face here). I take it all in stride though because I know the creative mind tends toward blind altruism, and Eno is one big creative organism. One hopes it all balances out in the new year but knows better. The only way to beat the system is to have fun in spite of it. Let's all do that in 2003 as best we can. Cheers, Paula > Happy New Year, y'all! > > Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 01:00:11 +0100 From: "cor broersen" Subject: [AVALON] 2003 I wish all Avalonians a splendid 2003 Watch out for Johnny's anouncement, it will be great, marvelous as well Why is Jools wearing Bryan's Jacket greetings Cor Blimey! _________________________________________________________________ Ontvang je Hotmail & Messenger berichten op je mobiele telefoon met Hotmail SMS http://www.msn.nl/jumppage/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 01:08:56 +0000 From: Jane Fraser Subject: Re: [AVALON] Brain Eno article from CounterPunch As a Brit who spent 3 years living in the US recently, I'm sorry to say I agree with every word Eno writes. I found the whole experience deeply depressing. I love Americans as individuals - it was the system that got me down. Jane PS We lived in Texas while G W Bush was Governor - maybe that explains it! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:18:06 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Brain Eno article from CounterPunch Yes, so did I and I deplore him and can hardly bear to watch the news now he's elected himself. Paula > Jane > > PS We lived in Texas while G W Bush was Governor - maybe that explains it! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:06:12 -0800 From: "R. Jackson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Brain Eno article from CounterPunch Thanks for forwarding it. Eno's spot-on in everything he said, IMO. Happy New Year, folks. Here's hoping you're all safe and surrounded by people who don't drive you crazy as we roll into another digit on the ol' calendar. - -Rob On Monday, December 30, 2002, at 09:52 PM, Rod LeCloux wrote: > (this is not a music article -- read at your own risk) > > Rod ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 22:43:53 -0500 From: "thewebgal" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Brain Eno article from CounterPunch Y'all better be careful before Hizzoner comes and shuts down this whole Avalon of Evil in the name of Homeland Security ... and for god's sake, don't insult the pilots! -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com My Music Trading Lists: http://www.thewebgal.com/trades/ The Roxy Music Archives: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >============================================================< - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of R. Jackson Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 10:06 PM To: Rod LeCloux Cc: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Brain Eno article from CounterPunch Thanks for forwarding it. Eno's spot-on in everything he said, IMO. Happy New Year, folks. Here's hoping you're all safe and surrounded by people who don't drive you crazy as we roll into another digit on the ol' calendar. - -Rob On Monday, December 30, 2002, at 09:52 PM, Rod LeCloux wrote: > (this is not a music article -- read at your own risk) > > Rod ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 01:06:23 EST From: InterEireann@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Rod Stewart: A Foolish Thing 
Just heard Rod butcher These Foolish Things on Dick Clark's New Year's  Eve 
show. Oh Dear! it was truly awful.


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