From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #372 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, November 10 2002 Volume 07 : Number 372 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Ferry back in studio in april? ["Bryan S. Richards" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry back in studio in april? [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame ["mark shanahan" ] [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] [AVALON] hall of fame ["paul pavlock" ] Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame ["mark shanahan" ] Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] Ferry Trees - North America [Karen Swenson ] Re: [AVALON] hall of fame ["Paula Brown" ] [AVALON] New Ferry 2002 Shows ["Strimples" ] Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] [AVALON] Stockholm 1976 on TV - VHS (UK only Tree) ["Bryan S. Richards" <] Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame ["Paula Brown" ] [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame. [Holloholloway@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame ["thom.wallace" ] Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame ["Maggie Curran" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry back in studio in april? Could this possibly be the final stages of a live album recorded on last year's tour? Bryan ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:34:58 -0500 From: Bruce MacQueen Subject: [AVALON] Set List - I Thought You're reading my mind! I was just going to ask who I have to bribe or what it'll take to hear "I Thought"?! This is just like the Roxy Tour when they dropped Mother of Pearl when they hit the States. (I know. They dropped "I Thought" a while back.... but it's my duty as an Avalonian to be an ungrateful whiner!) Best Regards, Bruce >Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:19:04 -0500 >From: "Strimples" >Subject: Re: [AVALON] MONTREAL SET LIST ! >I want 'I Thought'!!!! >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: Jean Lemay >To: >Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 11:27 PM >Subject: [AVALON] MONTREAL SET LIST ! >> HERE'S THE SET LIST FROM THE 1ST CONCERT IN NORTH AMERICA : >> >> Saturday, November 9th 2002 >> Theatre Maisonneuve, Place des Arts > - -- "What's so funny 'bout peace, love & understanding?" Nick Lowe ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:42:27 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry back in studio in april? At 11.01 +0000 02-11-10, Bryan S. Richards wrote: >Could this possibly be the final stages of a live album recorded on last >year's tour? No, that was the DVD I think. NP MTV on the telly Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:29:44 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame On Sat, 9 Nov 2002 Holloholloway@aol.com wrote: > The police have been inducted into rock and roll hall of fame and will > play three songs at the induction. > Roxy were more influential than the police and it's only a matter of > time before roxy will be inducted into hall of fame. maybe eno will get > there before roxy. It would be interesting if roxy were inducted because > they would most likely perform a set of songs.Roxy would be obligated to > use its original members. It would be fantastic to see roxy perform with > eno at such an induction. 1(a). The Police sold millions and millions of records in all four corners of the globe. Their single, "Every Breath You Take", is, if I am remembering correctly, the most played song on the radio--or something like that. 1(b). The lead singer of The Police, Sting, went on to a solo career which was HUGE. He sold millions and millions of records in all four corners of the globe. 2(a). Roxy were nowhere as influential as The Police. 2(b). That doesn't mean we have to like it, but it is reality. 3. Unless someone from Roxy does something significant (oh, one of them discovering the cure for cancer should be the bottom rung of that ladder), it'll be a cold day in Hades before Roxy makes that particular trip to Cleveland. 4. Eno won't show up (although he may schedule a solo show for that night). Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:41:35 EST From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame In a message dated 10/11/2002 15:30:34 GMT Standard Time, cjem@his.com writes: > 2(a). Roxy were nowhere as influential as The Police. > 2(b). That doesn't mean we have to like it, but it is reality. > I don't agree with statement 2(a), as being influential is not measured by record sales, but by making new and exciting music, which Roxy certainly did, but The Police did not, as the songs of the Police are basically only middle of the road. Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:46:13 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame At 10.29 -0500 02-11-10, Colleen Matan wrote: >1(a). The Police sold millions and millions of records in all four >corners of the globe. Their single, "Every Breath You Take", is, if I am >remembering correctly, the most played song on the radio--or something >like that. Especially incl the Seam Combs', whichever alias he uses, version. >1(b). The lead singer of The Police, Sting, went on to a solo career >which was HUGE. He sold millions and millions of records in all four >corners of the globe. On the other hand, Brian Eno has been MUCH more influential then Sting or the Police as producer for Talking Heads, Bowie, U2 et al. >2(a). Roxy were nowhere as influential as The Police. Not in the US, but in the UK. Roxy and glam gave a whole generation of New romantics from Japan to Culture Club. >2(b). That doesn't mean we have to like it, but it is reality. True. >3. Unless someone from Roxy does something significant (oh, one of them >discovering the cure for cancer should be the bottom rung of that ladder), >it'll be a cold day in Hades before Roxy makes that particular trip to >Cleveland. Or the Cleveland stopped counting rock as a predominant US thing, the drummer of the Police being a US citizen (unlike David Byrne who is a British citizen, but then Talking Heads are not in the Hall of fame, are they?). >4. Eno won't show up (although he may schedule a solo show for that >night). LOL. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:48:20 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame Pulp, Suede, Radiohead, Moby, Japan, Culture Club, Duran Duran, Remake Remodel... Who exactly did The Police influence? Jonathan > 2(a). Roxy were nowhere as influential as The Police. > 2(b). That doesn't mean we have to like it, but it is reality. > I don't agree with statement 2(a), as being influential is not measured by record sales, but by making new and exciting music, which Roxy certainly did, but The Police did not, as the songs of the Police are basically only middle of the road. Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 09:55:45 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame I agree with Colleen that the Police are much likelier candidates for the Hall of Fame. All of these music award things are basically so mainstream-driven and commercial, to say nothing of contrived by the music industry, that the most groundbreaking artists are overlooked until they simply outlive everyone else. I agree with Goodie that Roxy was more influential but that comparatively, only a handful of the population realizes it. See, we can all be right (well, a little)! Paula > In a message dated 10/11/2002 15:30:34 GMT Standard Time, cjem@his.com writes: > > > > 2(a). Roxy were nowhere as influential as The Police. > > 2(b). That doesn't mean we have to like it, but it is reality. > I don't agree with statement 2(a), > as being influential is not measured by record sales, but by making new and > exciting music, which Roxy certainly did, but The Police did not, as the > songs of the Police are basically only middle of the road. > Goodie > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html > US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:16:38 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > Pulp, Suede, Radiohead, Moby, Japan, Culture Club, Duran Duran, > Remake Remodel... > > Who exactly did The Police influence? The voters in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Isn't that what we are talking about? Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:17:05 -0800 From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame i'm sorry, but i have to disagree wholeheartedly with that statement in particular (however, this is the lord's day, so i won't use any expletives). but let me just first say that you're absolutely right that RM will probably never see the 'light of day' inside that (ahem) structure in cleveland, ohio. i cannot, for the life of me, think of one band the police influenced. and i speak as a former fan. maybe andy summers for his guitar work, or copeland for his particular polyphonic approach to percussion (but - like that's a new idea ...). sting? maybe others have some insight. i don't have an endless list of those that roxy influenced, but it _was_ the entire new wave/new romantic movement. now whether you *blame* RM for that, or point to their badge of honor in getting that ball rolling, well - that's up to you. not to mention that they turned the tide of british rock in '72. isn't that enough? or did you want more hippies? jeeez ... who else did they influence? oh yeah ... don't forget david bowie. ;^) anyway, thanks to jean for the setlist. and i have to echo (after hearing 'amsterdam'), where o where is *i thought*?? wow, what a gem ... peaces/ms <-----Original Message-----> >From: Colleen Matan >2(a). Roxy were nowhere as influential as The Police. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:22:48 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 Go2Sweeney@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/11/2002 15:30:34 GMT Standard Time, cjem@his.com writes: > > > > 2(a). Roxy were nowhere as influential as The Police. > > 2(b). That doesn't mean we have to like it, but it is reality. > > > > I don't agree with statement 2(a), > as being influential is not measured by record sales, but by making new and > exciting music, which Roxy certainly did, but The Police did not, as the > songs of the Police are basically only middle of the road. The topic under discussion is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and what it takes to get an invitation induction, is it not?, not who dresses like Roxy 30 years later. The R&RHoF is about sales. Like it or not, sales *are* influence. I already said we didn't have to like it. I might thing that Pennsylvania Dutch root beer in the yellow can that's hard to find is the best soft drink around, BUT since Coke sells more it has more influence. Maybe Adam Smith will subscribe to Avalon. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:28:35 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame Well I was thinking more of artists who cite Roxy Music as influential in their careers as oppossed to faceless voters who cite the cod-reggae ramblings of The Police instead of a band who actually made a difference. You might remember the Brit awards a few years again gave the Spice Girls a lifetime achievement award so i think this is the level we are dealing with here. As Colleen says its based on sales and if you appeal to as many as possible you'll get your place. Success surely does'nt mean quality? Jonathan n/p Sting featuring Puff Daddy 'Don't Sell Out So Close To Me' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:31:08 EST From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame In a message dated 10/11/2002 16:23:35 GMT Standard Time, cjem@his.com writes: > The R&RHoF is about sales. Like it or not, sales > *are* influence. Okay, the Hall of Fame might be about sales, but I don't think "sales" are necessarily influence. In that case you would have to say that pop idol singers are also influential, as they sell lots of records as well. But these youngsters don't even compose their own song but sing songs of other people, so they can hardly be influential. Just because something sells well, it doesn't mean it's an inspiration or influence to others. Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:31:28 -0500 From: "paul pavlock" Subject: [AVALON] hall of fame A damn shame that Roxy is not in. We could go on forever about who should be(Roxy, Mott The Hoople Pretty Things etc) But just like the Grammy and Oscars and all that rubbish, there is no justice. For every Velvet Underground that sneaks in we have a ton of Jackson 5 that get in. There is still a slight chance it will change someday, I don't think so, but still pressure to the Rock'n Roll Hall is the best all of us at Avalon can do right now. Jeff NP Last Days of the Fillmore Taj Mahal ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:33:39 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 Go2Sweeney@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/11/2002 16:23:35 GMT Standard Time, cjem@his.com writes: > > > > The R&RHoF is about sales. Like it or not, sales > > *are* influence. > > Okay, the Hall of Fame might be about sales, but I don't think "sales" > are necessarily influence. In that case you would have to say that pop > idol singers are also influential, as they sell lots of records as well. > But these youngsters don't even compose their own song but sing songs of > other people, so they can hardly be influential. Just because something > sells well, it doesn't mean it's an inspiration or influence to others. This doesn't make any sense to me at all. A band that has a string of #1 hits around the world for a number of years doesn't inspire or influence? Huh? Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 08:36:33 -0800 From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame _______________________________________________________________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <-----Original Message-----> >From: KWil632057@aol.com > >Well I was thinking more of artists who cite Roxy Music as influential in >their careers [cut] *oh* - that kind of influence. well, that's different. nevermind then. > >You might remember the Brit awards a few years again gave the Spice Girls a >lifetime achievement award so i think this is the level we are dealing with >here. > >As Colleen says its based on sales and if you appeal to as many as possible >you'll get your place. Success surely does'nt mean quality? ah - the evils sales numbers-as-influence thing. yeah, well - then of course that's the evil side of the coin. where the celine dions and the michael boltons of the world get "inducted" into _that structure_ in cleveland. i got it now - we're on the same page. hey, sorry ... peaces/ms ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:39:22 EST From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame In a message dated 10/11/2002 16:34:34 GMT Standard Time, cjem@his.com writes: > This doesn't make any sense to me at all. A band that has a string of #1 > hits around the world for a number of years doesn't inspire or influence? > Huh? > Maybe you and me define inspiration and influence differently. For me, it means that it affects the work of other artiists, i.e. they model themselves on the work of the original artist in question. Now I can think of a quite a number of artists who model themselves on Roxy Music, but anybody who models themselves on Police fails me. Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:44:56 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 Go2Sweeney@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/11/2002 16:34:34 GMT Standard Time, cjem@his.com writes: > > > > This doesn't make any sense to me at all. A band that has a string of #1 > > hits around the world for a number of years doesn't inspire or influence? > > Huh? > > > > Maybe you and me define inspiration and influence differently. > For me, it means that it affects the work of other artiists, i.e. they model > themselves on the work of the original artist in question. Now I can think of > a quite a number of artists who model themselves on Roxy Music, but anybody > who models themselves on Police fails me. http://www.google.com/search?q=%22influences+are%22++%22the+police%22+sting&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&start=0&sa=N Here are about 170 hits for a search for people influenced by The Police. Since most of them haven't had huge record sales I would except that would increase their standing in this discussion. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:47:13 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > Well I was thinking more of artists who cite Roxy Music as influential > in their careers as oppossed to faceless voters who cite the cod-reggae > ramblings of The Police instead of a band who actually made a > difference. I already responded to this first part in another post. And hey, I liked and still like The Police. They made a few great albums. > You might remember the Brit awards a few years again gave the Spice > Girls a lifetime achievement award so i think this is the level we are > dealing with here. I think you're looking at it the wrong way round. None of these things are meant to be looked at in the context of how intelligent are they? how esoteric are they? how many fellow braniacs did they influence? This is popular culture and popular culture placed in the context of a mass audience. In that context the Spice Girls *do* deserve recognition for what they accomplished in a short amount of time. Please note: I'm not saying I like all of popular culture. But it's silly to compare Nick Drake with Posh Spice as they come from completely different contexts. > As Colleen says its based on sales and if you appeal to as many as > possible you'll get your place. Success surely does'nt mean quality? And surely sometimes success does include quality? Also, I don't think the R&RHoF is entirely about stooping to the lowest common denominator. I mean, at some point you have to quantify or codify the reasons you are inviting everyone in, and in a marketplace setting like the music industry, sales are of course going to come out at the top of the list of reasons. There are dozens of not so famous artists who are not in the HoF and who no doubt deserve to be. Maybe in 25 years, after all of the obvious choices have been inducted, they will be. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:49:00 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, Daniel Atterbom wrote: > Or the Cleveland stopped counting rock as a predominant US thing, the > drummer of the Police being a US citizen (unlike David Byrne who is a > British citizen, but then Talking Heads are not in the Hall of fame, are > they?). But the United States *is* the home of rock and roll and of the musical styles (jazz, the blues) that gave birth to it. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:50:39 -0600 From: Karen Swenson Subject: [AVALON] Ferry Trees - North America Thanks to the kindness of Richard Mills, I am pleased to offer two new recordings of Bryan Ferry from the 2002 tour. The first is a two-disc set of the Princes Gardens show in Edinburgh on 1st June . I would call it a good-quality audience recording, with minor boominess and distortion. The second is also two discs - Sheffield on 16th October. This is an above- average recording. Setlists can be found at http://vivaroxymusic.com/news_20021013a.shtml I am willing to burn about 5 of each, with 3 willing to tree and 2 for the burnerless. Standard B&P rules apply to these, with a PayPal option of my exact cost for cross-border transactions or folks in a hurry. Please email me off-list for details, and state whether you can tree for others. I will reply to the successful ones by this evening. Karen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:57:37 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] hall of fame The glam movement is only now beginning to garner some recognition. Not a new phenomenon. It usually takes centuries for pop culture to catch up with forward moving art. The gap is closing in our media age, and we were all lucky to have experienced it as it happened, I think. Paula > A damn shame that Roxy is not in. We could go on forever about who should > be(Roxy, Mott The Hoople Pretty Things etc) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:32:08 -0500 From: "Strimples" Subject: [AVALON] New Ferry 2002 Shows Hello, I do have a couple of new shows coming in to offer, but I will be going to NY a couple of days to see Bryan along with the Boston show. Once I get back I will start to offer some up. So Be Patient. I am still waiting on receiving the Oslo show I offered a while back. I haven't forgotten. Strimples ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:02:31 EST From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame In a message dated 10/11/2002 16:45:27 GMT Standard Time, cjem@his.com writes: > Here are about 170 hits for a search for people influenced by The Police. > > Since most of them haven't had huge record sales I would except that would > increase their standing in this discussion. > I give up... Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:37:28 -0000 From: "Bryan S. Richards" Subject: [AVALON] Stockholm 1976 on TV - VHS (UK only Tree) For those waiting the last copying is now complete and videos will be in the post tomorrow. Bryan ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 11:44:26 -0600 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame I don't claim to know this answer and I see Police as more newwave/punk derivative than glam, but I acknowledge that they had some originality, even if it was only dipping into another culture's music. I believe at least part of their originality was due to their affluent backgrounds which rendered them only marginally daunted by the punk era they were born into. I believe that because I met them and they seemed to not relate to the rest of the world as a whole, in general, whereas with most musicians of that era, there was a strong sense of brotherhood. The question remains unanswered: Would the Police have been the Police had glam not preceded them? Would punk have existed in its present state had glam not preceded it? I don't know, but I lean towards no, there would have been some difference. Would it have been a critical difference? Maybe, maybe not. Paula> > > Here are about 170 hits for a search for people influenced by The Police. > > > I give up... > Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:47:45 EST From: Holloholloway@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame. Stewart copeland said "The Police, the Clash and Elvis Costello and the Attractions were better groups than the Sex Pistols," he said. "But the Sex Pistols undoubtedly were the most important band. They were the catalyst. They started the revolution." The Police (Stewart Copeland, Sting, Andy Summers) -- The Police broke through in the late 1970's with some of the most influential music since the advent of punk. The typical power trio formula in which the guitar provides the main focus was inverted - letting drummer Stewart Copeland's intricate, polyrhythms steer the helm while Sting's bass grounds the beat and Andy Summers' phased guitar effects add texture. All members were highly accomplished musicians from the prog rock and fusion traditions: Summers played with Soft Machine and Kevin Ayers, Copeland was a member of Curved Air and Sting had played in various jazz fusion groups. The band took a pass on histrionics, and instead forged an understated virtuosity, burying their chops inside reggae grooves and intricate arrangements. Between 1977 and 1983, the Police released five critically acclaimed albums and had numerous Top 10 hits. By 1985, they'd gone their separate ways with each member pursuing a solo career. Regatta de blanc in my opinion is as good as roxy's for your pleasure. There is hardly any filler on this police album and besides the hits there are great songs like beds too big without you and bring on the night. The police influenced bands like nirvana. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:50:33 -0000 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame Roxy Music - Inventive The Police - Boring The Rock 'n' Roll Hall of fame - Really Boring This whole thread- Totally Boring. Tom. You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:44:04 -0000 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame > And hey, I liked and still like The Police. They made a few great albums. I liked the Police too, but as an "Albums Band", nope, Synchronicity (?)came close but not "Great". Their Greatest Hits album is a goodie. I would expect The Police/Sting to be in TRNRHOF as they were a HUGE band at the time in the states and thats where it maters to TRNRHOF people. It really doesn't/shouldn't mean much to us in "Blighty", just music industry folks scratching corporate record companies backs and a bit of free publicity for the next "Greatest Hits" package so we all shell out our money once again for the same regurgitated stuff. Terry "O" PS: I didn't buy last years Roxy collection, whatever it was called. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:43:21 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, thom.wallace wrote: > This whole thread- Totally Boring. So delete the posts unread. or start one more to your liking? Why rain on our parade? Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:44:50 -0500 From: "Maggie Curran" Subject: Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame Well, I thought this thread was quite interesting....though I'm not much of a Police/Sting fan. Colleen produced logic and the evidence. And the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is housed in a magnificent structure designed by the architect, M. Pei, who also designed the Louvre Pyramid among other notable edifices. It's one of Cleveland's treasures. Best, Maggie >From: "thom.wallace" >Reply-To: "thom.wallace" >To: "Avalon" >Subject: Re: [AVALON] rock and roll hall of fame >Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:50:33 -0000 > >Roxy Music - Inventive >The Police - Boring >The Rock 'n' Roll Hall of fame - Really Boring >This whole thread- Totally Boring. > >Tom. > >You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com > > > >You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html >US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:01:20 EST From: Stevesiren@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Fave Roxy Tracks (pt. two) Cont. 34.While My Heart Is Still Beating....26 35.Manifesto..................................25 35.Cassanova................................25 35.Sea Breezes.............................25 38.Three & Nine.............................24 39.Whirlwind.................................23 40.My Only Love...........................22 41.Avalon.....................................21 42.Jealous Guy............................20 43.Chance Meeting.......................19 44.Amazona.................................18 45.True To Life..............................17 45.Lover.......................................17 47.Would You Believe...................14 48.The Main Thing........................12 49.Could It Happen To Me.............11 50.Dance Away............................10 50.Bogus Man..............................10 50.The Bob (Medley).....................10 53.Trash.......................................9 53Out Of The Blue (Viva)................9 53.She Sells.................................9. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:01:18 EST From: Stevesiren@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Poll Results, Fave Roxy Tracks (pt.one) Below are the results for your fave Roxy tracks, remember 10pts were awarded to your first choice, down to 1pt. for your tenth choice. 1.Mother Of Pearl 264 2.Song For Europe 200 3.Beauty Queens 178 4,In Every Dreamhome..... 146 5.Out Of The Blue 130 6,Virginia Plain 110 7.If There Is Something 103 8.Street Life 90 9.Remake/Remodel 85 10.All I Want Is You 78 11.Just Like You 75 12.Sentimental Fool 63 13.Editions Of You 62 14.Do The Strand 61 15.Both Ends Burning 60 16.Ladytron 59 17.Bitter-Sweet 58 18.More Than This 57 19.For Your Pleasure 53 20.Thrill Of It All 45 20.Strictly Confidential 45 22.Just Another High 41 23.Same Old Scene 40 24.Pyjamarama 36 24.A Really Good Time 36. 24.End Of The Line 36 27,2HB 35 27.Grey Lagoons 35 27.Psalm 35 30.Serenade 29 31.Prarie Rose 28 31.To Turn You On 28 33.If There Is Something (Viva) 27. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #372 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest