From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #359 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, October 31 2002 Volume 07 : Number 359 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] More Than This ["Mark Stephens" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: More then This?? ["Tim Kendrick" ] Re: [AVALON] More Than This [Joel Hurd ] [AVALON] Stockholm 1976 on TV - VHS (UK only Tree) ["Bryan S Richards" ] RE: [AVALON] No More Than This ["Rob Whiteford" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: More then This?? ["Tim Kendrick" ] [AVALON] More Than This ["PeteK" ] [AVALON] Who's counting? [Chandla911@aol.com] [AVALON] Manchester 26 Oct [Aleks Kocan ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic Tour? [Aleks Kocan ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:45:33 -0000 From: "Mark Stephens" Subject: [AVALON] More Than This I tend to agree with Tom, however it was noticable in Nottingham on the Roxy tour last year that this was the track that rose people to their feet. If it was to be included I think it should be left with Roxy not the BF tour, Sometimes I wish he was brave enough to keep the two seperate and do a complete BF setlist, but I guess the promoters wouldn't allow that in the contract, let alone 98% of the paying audience. Regards, Mark Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 13:15:04 -0000 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] More than this? > For those of you who have heard it on the reunion tour, do you think it was worth it and would like to hear it again? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:42:56 -0500 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: More then This?? like John Lennon and others who'll use a so called ADT >for that. An ADT is an "automatic double tracker" >It works bij splitting up the signal (vocal)in two (hence double)separate >lines, then adding a little delay on one line. Done with taste the effect is >verry apparant as on Instant Karma and a lot of other songs bij JL. > >Nowaday's you can use a digitech "vocalist" A digital device that can >produce a complete fourvoice choir based on the leadvocals signal. >You can even program the key's in witch to sing in. Fourvoice chorus!! >. >Like to be a singer? Can't sing? Does your spous hate you for singing? >Get (buy, nick, lend) one as soon as you can!!! >> >By lowering the speed (pitch) of the recorder two to tree semitones and then >record the vocal, you come out with tree to two semitones higher pitch. But doesn't all this seem a tad pathetic? If Ferry were to write songs for other people to sing, he could of course write across any range he chose, but if he's writing for his voice, he's better off writing within the limitations of his capabilities, surely? I don't object to a bit of tweeking in the studio, particularly as his work is so heavily produced anyway, but if he writes without consideration for live performing, then in my view he shouldn't attempt songs live which he can't reasonably make a stab at. Arguably, that means everything, but I do quite like the aging, weedy sound he makes. I was amazed how, on the ATGB tour, and the Roxy reunion, ( I haven't seen or heard anything yet from the new one, but don't hold out much hope of improvement) he was so closely miked he could get away with singing at about conversational pitch. But, even for a pop singer, that's a crippling limitation to what he can do, not least in expressive terms. Sinatra always objected to being called a crooner, because, as he said, he had a big voice. Bryan may be the ultimate crooner, I suppose, if that means he can't raise his voice above speech. However, I agree with Martin that MORE THAN THIS is a glitteringly luxurious jewel of a song. Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 05:08:23 -0800 (PST) From: Joel Hurd Subject: Re: [AVALON] More Than This Subject: More Than This ....was played at the opening gig of the Roxy 2001 tour (Dublin). ....was v. very good. ....it kickstarted the audience. They loved it, and rose to their feet. ....was well worth it. Fez put real effort and energy into it. On a more general note, I don't fully understand some percentage of fans distain for the more 'conventional'/'radio-friendly' tracks. I appreciate both the 'complex'/'highbrow'/'refined' tracks just as much as the 'straightforward' songs. By their nature, 'radio-friendly' tracks are catchy, melodic, verse-chorus-verse affairs, and crowd-pleasers. And given these traits, Roxy/Ferry managed better than most to add intelligence and emotion on top of the basic style of the 'radio-friendly' genre. As I said above, songs from the Dreamhome/Ladytron 'refined' style are, IMO, equally as good. Just different. :-) . HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:32:25 -0000 From: "Bryan S Richards" Subject: [AVALON] Stockholm 1976 on TV - VHS (UK only Tree) Hi Guys, Any orders I received by last Saturday (26/10/02) were posted on Monday. Orders I receive this week will be posted next Monday. After this coming Saturday (02/11/02) this tree will be closed. Cheers, Bryan ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:05:44 -0000 From: "Rob Whiteford" Subject: RE: [AVALON] More Than This Joel wrote: On a more general note, I don't fully understand some percentage of fans distain for the more 'conventional'/'radio-friendly' tracks. I appreciate both the 'complex'/'highbrow'/'refined' tracks just as much as the 'straightforward' songs. Absolutely. In some ways this is why some fans will always think the first few Roxy albums were the best and anything the Cool Ruler or Roxy has done since is inferior. There is no doubt that FYP and Stranded are superb albums - but in its way Boys and Girls is a far better album than either the first Roxy or Country Life for that matter. And Siren. I enjoy Nobody Loves Me from Frantic and a lot of the "commercial" material on there too. Would have been a good single that one. On the negative side most of the guitar on Frantic is well dodgy and Nobody Loves Me is no exception to that rule. And the more I listen to "I Thought" the more I think he hasn't written much better than that. I'll tell you what - if that had been on For YOur Pleasure it would have been played as an accepted masterpiece on every tour. Smothered in Gold ah ah ah ah - He's getting better not running out of ideas cheers rob ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:27:37 -0000 From: "Nigel Hollis" Subject: [AVALON] Frantic review Hi all, Probabily most have found the following, but if you missed it http://www.culturedose.com/review.php?rid=10003464 Not very complimentary but at least it is informed critcism and worthy of a read. Regards to all, Nigel. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:34:46 -0500 From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Tick Tock Tack In a message dated 10/30/2002 4:05:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, Aleks writes: > Ticket prices for Prince at the Manchester Apollo were > something like #60, twice as much as Ferry. But then he played for more than twice as long! Don't get me wrong, I do not judge a gig by the quantity rather than quality theory (Prince *was* overpriced), but Ferry is lazy live and yet rushed at the same time. Can't quite align those two myself but it's true. He just can't wait for the ordeal to be over... Best wishes Richard Mills n/p BF on Jools Radio 2 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:40:49 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] More Than This Once again the list descends into: This songs better than that song nonsense.... Oh well....I for one disliked MTT until recently when quite a few covers cropped up. I love the Norah Jones version. Is it the most covered Ferry/Roxy tune? It certainly seems the most popular with musicians... Jonathan n/p Slipknot 'More Than THis ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:12:30 -0800 (PST) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Tick Tock Tack Aleks writes: Ticket prices for Prince at the Manchester Apollo were something like #60, twice as much as Ferry. Chandla911@aol.com wrote: But then he played for more than twice as long! but Ferry is lazy live He just can't wait for the ordeal to be over... I haven't got a clue how long Prince played for, #60/ticket was seriously overpriced, just as I considered the Roxy Hammersmith Apollo tickets to be overpriced too. Maybe the question is why does Ferry still tour? Does he really need the money? If it really is such an ordeal for him then why does he still do it? I'd be more than happy if Ferry played a longer set or did a "Bowie" and had a set list that he really wants. I'd guess that if you gave Bryan a clean sheet and asked him to pick the songs that HE wanted to perform live, the set-list wouldn't be anything like it is now. Aleks HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:19:19 -0000 From: "Rob Whiteford" Subject: RE: [AVALON] No More Than This jonathan says Once again the list descends into: This songs better than that song nonsense.... Well fans are bound to have opinions and be inetrested in others opinions as well. Anyway it's not nonsense on the scale of some of the stuff I've seen on this list. Especially when different types of songs and output are being compared. Rob ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:09:17 +0000 From: philipcadams@lineone.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] More than this? I remember being quite taken aback when I heard "More than this" for the first time on RADIO 2 back in 1982. Roxy had grown older. I love the dreaminess, almost swooney nature of the song. I can see why its been covered so many times. I'm surprised that no ones picked up the classic "Chain Reaction" in the same way. philip ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:36:18 -0800 From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] More than what? _______________________________________________________________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <-----Original Message-----> >From: philipcadams@lineone.net > >I remember being quite taken aback when I heard "More than this" for the >first time on RADIO 2 back in 1982. Roxy had grown older. > >I love the dreaminess, almost swooney nature of the song. I can see why >its been covered so many times. I'm surprised that no ones picked up the >classic "Chain Reaction" in the same way. i've always loved 'mtt', but have to say ... it's not one i _have_ to hear anymore. back then, though ... i thought it was tremendous in its lyrical simplicity and well-crafted melody, beginning with the chiming guitar. and of course, the hooker is the vocal. yeah, it's a little creamy, a little fluffy. people i knew at the time thought it was a bit on the *slick* side (it was ... but - still in a style & substance kind of way). even doing stuff like this (yes, compared to the eponymous debut & 'fyp'), they sound like no one else. but what does it mean? mr. stockman will tell us it's all about the horse - but, frankly i don't know personally. fallen leaves in the night/dream in the night/no way of knowing. no, it's not 're-make/re-model', but it's great pop. in the back of my mind, it seems that 'mamouna' was ferry's (solo) 'avalon', but grittier & darker ... more personal, but with no less the romantic thread. i mean - could you imagine 'take a chance' on 'M'?? i don't think so; 'mamouna' would eat 'avalon' alive. who can say where we're going, no care in the world, maybe i'm learning ... i'd still let him sing it in my living room. even if it doesn't have a place on _the stage_ ... peaces/ms ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:46:03 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Jools Holland cd Its at amazon for preorder if anybodies dying to hear The Only Face again.... Jonathan n/p Bryan Ferry 'The Only Face (David Holmes Remix)' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:01:25 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Clarification Someone mentioned twice here that "Norah Jones" did "More than This" on her album. AS for as I know she's only done one album & it is titled "Come Away with Me" which is one of the 14 tracks. Very good ariist BTW as I have the CD. She does do " The Nearness of You" which by someone here may be confused about the two songs. Marlana............................................. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:27:47 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Norah Jones Her version of MTT can be found on the Charlie Hunter 'Songs from an Analog playground' cd and also on a compilation called Late Lounge 2' J ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:14:51 +0100 From: "cor broersen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: More then This?? >From: "Tim Kendrick" >To: "Avalonia" >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: More then This?? >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:42:56 -0500 > >like John Lennon and others who'll use a so called ADT > >for that. An ADT is an "automatic double tracker" > >It works bij splitting up the signal (vocal)in two (hence double)separate > >lines, then adding a little delay on one line. Done with taste the effect >is > >verry apparant as on Instant Karma and a lot of other songs bij JL. > > > >Nowaday's you can use a digitech "vocalist" A digital device that can > >produce a complete fourvoice choir based on the leadvocals signal. > >You can even program the key's in witch to sing in. Fourvoice chorus!! > >. > >Like to be a singer? Can't sing? Does your spous hate you for singing? > >Get (buy, nick, lend) one as soon as you can!!! > >> > >By lowering the speed (pitch) of the recorder two to tree semitones and >then > >record the vocal, you come out with tree to two semitones higher pitch. > > > >But doesn't all this seem a tad pathetic? If Ferry were to write songs for >other people >to sing, he could of course write across any range he chose, but if he's >writing for his voice, he's better off writing within the limitations of >his >capabilities, surely? I don't object to a bit of tweeking in the studio, >particularly as his work is so heavily produced anyway, but if he writes >without >consideration for live performing, then in my view he shouldn't attempt >songs >live which he can't reasonably make a stab at. Tim, I'll write songs myself and play a lot (45 songs)of the Roxy/Bryan stuff being keyboardplayer in Re-make/re-model and I know by experience that every mood has it's own set of Chords. The Roxy and Ferry mood lies in the chords that Bryan write's in. Usualy heavy on the eboney and not so mutch on the ivory. The haunting More than this is on our setlist too. And I love it. The song is in the key of "FIS". the subjective character of the key descripted by Rimsky-Korsakov is sensual. Scriabin heard the sound as color "purple", An emotional and often furylike key. WHat's my point?? Every key has it's own mood carried in the structure of the tonescale. Changing the pitch of a song result in changing the character and feel of the song. Obvious that Bryan wanted to achieve the feel and sound that MTT has and soundlike. Transposing the chords would have resulted in the "same" song but with a totaly differend feel and it wouldn't have sound haunting but (subjective!) optimistic in "c", buskers in "d", bluesy in "e", soulfull in "f". If you listen to your records and CD's and look at the key's the songs are written in, you will start to recognize de moods with the music and then you can tell the chords the song is written in. On the conservatorium they call this Solfhge. (french) When you compose a sng (you don't bother about getting the vocal's right)you do bother about the feel of the song. One does his/her's best to get the feel of the song right in the studio or on stage but that can take a lot of rehearsels Arguably, that means >everything, but >I do quite like the aging, weedy sound he makes. Me too. I was amazed how, on the >ATGB tour, and the Roxy reunion, ( I haven't seen or heard anything yet >from >the new >one, but don't hold out much hope of improvement) he was so closely miked >he >could >get away with singing at about conversational pitch. But, even for a pop >singer, >that's a crippling limitation to what he can do, not least in expressive >terms. Sinatra >always objected to being called a crooner, because, as he said, he had a >big >voice. >Bryan may be the ultimate crooner, I suppose, if that means he can't raise >his >voice above speech. >However, I agree with Martin that MORE THAN THIS is a glitteringly >luxurious >jewel of a song. I totaly agree!! > > >Tim > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html >US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) _________________________________________________________________ Chatten met je vrienden via het web? Probeer MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/default.asp?client=1 ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:28:46 -0000 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: [AVALON] Frantic Tour? Am I the only person who enjoyed the Frantic gig more than the Roxy reunion?. I was at the gig with the same 5 people on both occasions, The other 5 although they enjoyed the Frantic gig all preferred the Reunion, Whereas I thought the Frantic gig gave Bryan more scope.....he seemed more at ease and his choice of material taken as an overall package was slightly better than the reunion. That's not to say I didn't enjoy the Roxy tour, just that I thought Frantic was even better. Anyone agree? Mark. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:00:34 -0500 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: More then This?? >Every key has it's own mood carried in the structure of >the tonescale. >Changing the pitch of a song result in changing the character and feel of >the song. Obvious that Bryan wanted to achieve the feel and sound that MTT >has and soundlike. Transposing the chords would have resulted in the "same" >song but with a totaly differend feel and it wouldn't have sound haunting >but (subjective!) optimistic in "c", buskers in "d", bluesy in "e", soulfull >in "f". If you listen to your records and CD's and look at the key's the >songs are written in, you will start to recognize de moods with the music >and then you can tell the chords the song is written in. On the >conservatorium they call this Solfhge. (french) >When you compose a sng (you don't bother about getting the vocal's right)you >do bother about the feel of the song. One does his/her's best to get the >feel of the song right in the studio or on stage but that can take a lot of >rehearsels I completely agree with everything you say, and think your post excellent. But I wanted to suggest that Ferry, not a natural live performer, and (as you imply) not a man who thinks about his competence to pull off a live performance of a particular song while he's composing it, may be better off leaving songs he struggles with off the live set list. I don't agree with the frequently stated opinion on this list that he's a fabulous live performer even at his best, though of course I very much enjoy seeing him live. He is essentially to my mind a studio musician,live performing very much a (promotional and profitable) footnote. I think it's possible to appreciate the whole of Ferry from the records, whereas (say) Elton John is probably actually better live than on record, and seems to write songs he will bring wholly to life only on stage. There is the odd performer -Al Green springs to mind - who is beyond brilliant in both contexts, each context providing a quite different experience from the other, as if he were two distinct performers melded into one. But I guess all I'm doing here is casting a 'no' vote for MORE THAN THIS as a concert piece. > > >Arguably, that means >>everything, but >>I do quite like the aging, weedy sound he makes. > >Me too. > >>However, I agree with Martin that MORE THAN THIS is a glitteringly >>luxurious >>jewel of a song. >> >I totaly agree!! Cheers! Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 21:15:24 -0800 From: "PeteK" Subject: [AVALON] More Than This I think the realization that their is nothing "more than this" is quite profound and filled with substance. It is the realization that most people are searching endlessly for something they already possess. It is feeling the glory, the wonder and the treasures that surround us, that we rarely have a chance to tap into because of being caught up in the tedium and even drudgery of every day existence. More than this, Nothing... tell me one thing. It has always had a resonance for me, anyways. Running out of time. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 02:57:35 EST From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Who's counting? Of course you can't quantify success, but Paul Weller last night played Wembley Arena. No of support acts 2 (Proud Mary, Little Barrie) No of years in business less than B Ferry 5 No of people in band 5 No of minutes played 135 And I didn't enjoy it half as much as I enjoyed the Bryan Ferry concerts (my wife is the fan, I preferred Style Council). But nobody was overheard leaving the venue saying "Now if he'd only played 105 minutes, that would have been a set no-one could complain about!" ;-) Bryan Ferry = lazy and miserly Paul Weller = hard-working and miserable (although he did dedicate "Who Brings Joy" to "all my children" - let's hope the saying Hello curse doesn't affect him the way it did Bryan...) Best wishes Richard Mills n/p Northern Soul - M People (original pressing, not the chart version) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 00:36:30 -0800 (PST) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: [AVALON] Manchester 26 Oct We went along to the Manchester Apollo in the hope that there might be a chance of seeing Bryan at the stage door before the sound check. At the time we arrived there was only one person there. We had seen a tour bus arriving just as we drove round the corner. Went round to the box office who said that they had someone rehearsing earlier on. Thought that that would be the end of the story so decided to head home. Luckily the one person (strangely enough also called Alex) who was stood outside the stage door saw us walking back to our car and said that the band had already arrived but Bryan hadnt. I had searched all afternoon for my "For Your Pleasure" poster but couldn't find it, so just brought my CD cover with me. Didn't see any of the band, but then TGPT appears out the stage door chatting on his mobile phone, once he had finished he quite happily signed my CD cover. So we decided to wait for a while, a handful of other people also waiting. A chauffeured Jaguar arrives and turns into the bay beside the stage door. A few security guards are around but Bryan jumps out of the car and heads straight for towards us. Another signature on my CD cover, I couldnt believe this was happening. Nearly 25 years following Bryan's music and there he is stood right in front of me. I'd brought my camera and as soon as Bryan's car arrived Anne ordered me to give her the camera. It looked like he was short of time but I asked if he wouldn't mind if I could have a having a photo taken with him, "no problem" and another one done with him "for good luck". He looked better in the flesh than he does on stage, and was extremely pleasant with the few of us that were gathered outside the stage door. Just as he was about to go in I quickly asked "Any chance of Just Like You" tonight, "not enough time for that one" (????) was the reply. What a start to the evening, started to chat to a lady after Bryan had finished signing and it turned out it was Julie Ahmadi from the list. We stayed and chatted for a while, then had to disappear home to get ready for the gig. After a wonderful start to the evening there was more to come. I knew that Mandy (from the list) and her Daughter Lindsey were sat right behind us. We had been really lucky and got front row seats. Briefly met Tracy Elliot before the show and we were all trying to figure out when to start the rush to the stage. We were all for getting straight up when the lights went down but the security were telling us to sit down. The plan was that as soon as we got up, Mandy and Lindsey would jump over our seats and pile to the front. After the slow songs, plenty looking round to see what was going on, on the first beat of "Thrill" that's us up and straight forward. Mandy and Lindsey manage to climb over our seats and join us right at the front. Chris Turner right next to us and a few glances round to see Tracy, Reecey etc also at the front towards the side of the stage. Really enjoyed the show, the band were set quite a way back from the front of the stage and Bryan didn't wander round the front that much but the show really, really kicked. Wooly Bully was a crowd pleaser as it's a fun number, but I really wouldn't have imagined Bryan covering this number. My favourite song in the show was Tokyo Joe this time, can't really explain why, just really enjoyed it. Gig over, a few of us start gathering towards the front, closing time at the pub coming up. Got dragged to the pub by Tracy and stayed there till closing time. Nice to meet Steve Siren and Mark Stephens there. Mandy, Tracy and Lindsay had to set off home so there were seven of us left (Reecey, Tom Wallace, John O'Brien, Nigel Hollis, Chris Turner, Me and Anne). Time for something to eat. Suggested an Indian curry as Manchester has a famous curry mile which has maybe 50 restaurants virtually all next to each other. Reecey was keener on Chinese. John O'Brien was driving but as there were seven of us we needed another form of transport. Hailed down a cab and decided to play "follow that taxi", JOB following the cab we were in towards Chinatown in Manchester. Got to Chinatown no problem, now the only dilemma was which restaurant to pick. Reecey suggested trying to find a restaurant called "Tokyo Joe's" to keep up the theme for the evening, this idea quickly kicked into touch as we went towards the first decent looking restaurant. A nice meal and a good chat was had by all. It was 1am and we there the only people left in the restaurant. Nigel had asked for a taxi to be called. After we all settled the bill, went outside to wait for Nigels Taxi. Taxi arrives and the driver asks "which table?" considering that we were the only table left in the place it was a bit strange, still unconvinced he goes inside to make sure with the restaurant. Nigel's description of the taxi driver "Being one bottle short of a crate" was pretty accurate! Said our good-byes to JOB, Reecey and Tom Wallace as we located their car. They were all staying in a hotel outside the City Centre. Left JOB with the wonderful directions of "head towards the left" due to Manchester's one way system, hopefully he's not still going round in circles. Walked back towards the City Centre, said our good-byes to Chris and hopped on the bus home. Hopefully Reecey will write a travelogue for the list, he tells it much better than I do. A great night, had the chance to meet Bryan, front row seats, finished off with some beers and a meal with great people from the list. We'd spent the evening with people from the far North and far South of the country and didn't know when we would meet again, but thats another story..... Aleks HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 00:51:09 -0800 (PST) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic Tour? - --- Mark Yates wrote: "Am I the only person who enjoyed the Frantic gig more than the Roxy reunion?.That's not to say I didn't enjoy the Roxy tour, just that I thought Frantic was even better. Anyone agree?" If someone asked me if I'd have wanted a ticket for the Frantic tour or the Roxy tour (but not both) I'd go for Roxy. One of the reasons would be that one of the few times that I would have the chance to see them live. I also thought that the set-list for Roxy was better than that for Frantic. Having said this, theres things like the size of venues that were better for the Frantic gigs. One way or the other I much prefer to see Bryan doing this sort of show than stuff like ATGB. Guess we're spolit for choice! Guess it's "swings and roundabouts", both good for different reasons. Aleks HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #359 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest