From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #341 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, October 15 2002 Volume 07 : Number 341 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] EDINBURGH TICKET SOLD ["Robert Jackson" ] [AVALON] Amsterdam cd tree ["Han Snijders" ] [AVALON] Re: london evening standard [Alanandalyj@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Re: london evening standard ["Heather James" ] [AVALON] 14th - Royal Centre, Nottingham - [=?iso-8859-1?q?john=20barry?] Re: [AVALON] Re: london evening standard [DEAGLERR@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V7 #340 [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] review ["Rachel Smither" ] Re: [AVALON] Rules of Engagement - Evening Standard Review ["Maggie Curra] Re: [AVALON] Rules of Engagement - Evening Standard Review [Gal410@aol.co] Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V7 #340 [DEAGLERR@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:34:56 +0100 From: "Robert Jackson" Subject: [AVALON] EDINBURGH TICKET SOLD Hello all, Please note that the Edinburgh Festival Theatre ticket which I offered for sale for the Sunday 20th October show has now been sold. Regards, Robert. Robert Jackson Group Buyer MORRIS & SPOTTISWOOD LIMITED Direct Dial: 0141 425 2431 e-mail: robertj@morrisandspottiswood.co.uk ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 04:34:06 -0400 From: "Maggie Curran" Subject: [AVALON] London Evening Standard Review 8th October - Link Apologies for the misspells on my typed version. You might prefer a link to the article: www.thisislondon.co.uk/til/jsp/modules/Article/print.jsp?itemId=1504544 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1989 02:00:43 -0000 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: [AVALON] Rules of Engagement - Evening Standard Review LONG Just goes to show how different people are.............this tirade isn't very scientific. " I thought" he was magnificent throughout the RAH Frantic show. " I thought" the Limbo tour was fantastic " I thought" the Mamouna tour was boring " I thought" the Royal Festival Hall Time Goes By concert was the best I've ever been at " I thought" the Time Goes By Tour was a triumph " I thought" the Petworth and Castle Howard shows were superb " I thought" the Belvoir Castle show was boring I was in Row 2 centre and if there was a lack of effort or engagement I must have missed it. Lynne thought Belvoir Castle was great as it was the first time she had seen him, but said on the way out that he had really put a lot more into this show and that he seemed to be enjoying himself more. We spoke to Jane Collard on the way out and she really enjoyed it as well. I haven't seen the 5 star Mail on Sunday review which is odd as we get that paper delivered ! I must be slipping to have missed that. But the sort of review from the London paper drives me mental for these reasons 1. He's 57 years old making some of his best music. 2. He's still enjoying performing 3. He's getting BETTER live - voice much stronger 4. His breadth of material is superb 5. His stage performance is if anything getting more active and assured - the high road video isn't exactly an excercise in bouncing about is it ? 6. His schedule would kill most folk his age 7. He's still looks great 8. He's still bloody cool. 9. His influence is everywhere - still 10. He packed out the place. 11. No point criticising him because he doesn't fanny around stage like Mick Jagger or Rod Stewart. Good on him. Whatever the rights and wrongs involved not many people can command front pages and whole pages of national newspapers whilst not having had a top ten hit for 17 years. Whilst at the same time being taken seriously for their work and performances. This is because he is British Institution - and deserves and awards and praise going. Roll on Bryan. And final moan - what about his "stuttering" solo career? He made some poor decisions in the late eightes and the ninties up until as time goes by - these cost him dearly commercially. But his reputation is intact as a quality solo artist with only really David Bowie able to claim anything remotely similar. Can't say I've seen Jaggers solo work storming up the charts. even if he does run about a lot on stage. that's it I've finshed !! Cheers Rob ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:41:03 +0100 From: "J.Murray" Subject: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V7 #340 Dear KBP, your response is as meticulously crafted as the penmanship of the artist you discuss. I do think Cruel is a solo Ferry lyric: in one interview I read, he mentions the inspiration for the song being a poem on Native Americans that he had come across. By *daft*, I meant to imply no lack of self-consciousness or considered craft on Ferry's part, but rather the incongruity with which the finished song and its overt sentiments hit some listeners, including, I'm surmising, yourself - you mention lyrics that are absurd, seem insincere, etc. I do agree that his best lyrics are very ambigous ones, with lines and narratives that could be simultaneously interpreted not just in different, but often contradictory, ways. I also think that the recurrent theme that this formal tactic most often serves is the construction of self-love songs. I don't think that the narrator of Cruel *means it* with regards to his affected concern for the poor souls he sees on his travels, but I'm not sure if this isn't Ferry the writer/lyricist's precise, and very sincere, point: that it's incredibly difficult to wrench ourselves out of our own self-absorption and make meaningful emotional and intellectual connections with other people. When you're looking for love in a looking glass world... Thanks for your thoughts; hope you have more. Best, Jonny ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 15:38:49 +0200 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: [AVALON] Amsterdam cd tree Today I've sent the last cd's so expect them in a few days. If you haven't received the cover by mail yet, please mail me and I sent it to you No requests for cd anymore. It will be treed by other later. Thanks Han ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 09:48:29 EDT From: Alanandalyj@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: london evening standard bryan actually plays harmonica not mouth organ. hes regarded as one of the best players of this instrument in music. so disregard review in this paper as reviewer needs to get his facts straight before commenting. alan a music lover first and foremost ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:47:01 -0400 From: "Heather James" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: london evening standard I hardly think Bryan is "regarded as one of the best players of this instrument in music". Regarded as such by who? Are you familiar with Little Walter? How about Lee Oscar ... or maybe Charlie Musselwhite? Heard of Magic Dick? Paul Butterfield? John Raitt? If not, then who are you using for comparison? I am so tired of every singer who plays a couple notes on a harmonica being regarded as some kind of prodigy ... please, get some background before you use such praise! -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com My Music Trading Lists: http://www.thewebgal.com/trades/ The Roxy Music Archives: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >==========================================================< - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Alanandalyj@aol.com Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 9:48 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Re: london evening standard bryan actually plays harmonica not mouth organ. hes regarded as one of the best players of this instrument in music. so disregard review in this paper as reviewer needs to get his facts straight before commenting. alan a music lover first and foremost ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:57:28 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Me again Hello Laura! Of course we remember you - how could we forget a remarkable young lady who demonstrated maturity beyond her years. Welcome back! Now other than just telling us the gig was "great", how about writing a review - in redemption for ignoring the list so long? Hope all's well. Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:03:28 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?john=20barry?= Subject: [AVALON] 14th - Royal Centre, Nottingham - Anyone recommend a nearby pre-gig venue ?? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:07:54 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: london evening standard Reg Presley of the Troggs is the best ocarina player in rock. (Probably the only one too!) Regards R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:28:03 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V7 #340 Jonny smartly writes: "I don't think that the narrator of Cruel *means it* with regards to his affected concern for the poor souls he sees on his travels, but I'm not sure if this isn't Ferry the writer/lyricist's precise, and very sincere, point: that it's incredibly difficult to wrench ourselves out of our own self-absorption and make meaningful emotional and intellectual connections with other people." I quite agree with your statement: Just like you, try as I may, I am frequently left wondering about Mr. Ferry's precise intent, or level thereof. I'd like to credit him with a higher level of consciousness when he writes, but then I become unable to reconcile his admitted claim of suffering 'writer's block' for many years. Despite assurances from several sources that Mr. Ferry has 'much in the can' and that some of it is recently penned (the past five years or so), I find it difficult to fathom the disparity I perceive that must exist for BF to operate at near brilliance while coping with 'writer's block': If he did pen "Cruel" with the conscious intent to make a sincerely precise point 'that it's incredibly difficult to wrench ourselves out of our own self-absorption and make meaningful emotional and intellectual connections with other people.' then I must concede that Mr. Ferry is extraordinarily gifted and, somehow, he has learned to cope with any blockage that self-consciousness might bring. And that feat, alone, would be very remarkable! Perhaps, not impossible. Indeed, I think it would be phenomenal if we could conclude that Bryan Ferry is a master-mind, that he knows himself and the world around him so extremely well that he is able to unravel and dissociate his personal feelings and character during the writing phase in order to expose his personal feeling, character, and world views in effective communication to the listener. I'd like to think so, except that would be promoting an idea that he possesses God-like abilities! Complete self-awareness and self-projection is not an attribute I've been able to ascribe any human being. A key issue must be considered: Is it possible for a self-absorbed individual to write a song about the social dysfunction that self-absorption brings in a manner that would effectively communicate this self absorbed/social dysfunction to the listener? This would require the self-absorbed writer to be able to describe, convey, communicate meaningfully with his target audience - wouldn't that in turn dispel the credibility of the social dysfunction that was written about? Is this a contradiction or a conundrum? May I submit the composition "Cruel" as primary proof that Bryan Ferry did not pen its lyric with the recognized purpose of making a statement about self-absorption and its attending social difficulties?: "Cruel" would have been a superior song, much better than what we are presented with on either "Frantic" and "Alphaville"! I personally find the song O.K. to Good (depends on my given mood), but not great. However, I will not rule out the possibility that I think "Cruel" is sub-par excellent due to my personal idiosyncrasies, and I remain open to arguments that may provide further insight which may change my opinion of this song. Gut feel tells me, at best, Bryan Ferry wrote the lyric to "Cruel" as a statement of the fatality of life, of fate's triumph and cruelty. There is no rhyme or reason in destiny, no answers, only questions - cruel hard reality. None the less, "Cruel" remains an ego-centric, self-absorbed, narcissistic piece of work. "By *daft*, I meant to imply no lack of self-consciousness or considered craft on Ferry's part, but rather the incongruity with which the finished song and its overt sentiments hit some listeners, including, I'm surmising, yourself - you mention lyrics that are absurd, seem insincere, etc." Jonny, you surmise correctly! To be sure, Ferry is enigmatic. "your response is as meticulously crafted as the penmanship of the artist you discuss.: Touchi! We often expose our selves through our very behavior!!! May I complement you on your superior ability to succinctly write your opinions, it is something I've never mastered but greatly appreciate in those who have. Further thoughts? Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:20:51 +0100 From: "Rachel Smither" Subject: Re: [AVALON] review - -----Original Message----- From: kevin To: Avalon Date: 13 October 2002 19.17 Subject: [AVALON] review >Hi Guys, > >well read the reviews on the concert. bryan is a mean harmonica player . but lm sure there are at least 1 band member whos good on the mouth organ ? cheers kevin > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >legs a kimbo on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html >US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:32:55 -0400 From: "Maggie Curran" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rules of Engagement - Evening Standard Review Good job, Rob! Excellent post. Best regards, Maggie >From: "Robert Whiteford" >To: >Subject: [AVALON] Rules of Engagement - Evening Standard Review >Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1989 02:00:43 -0000 > >LONG > >Just goes to show how different people are.............this tirade isn't >very >scientific. > >" I thought" he was magnificent throughout the RAH Frantic show. >" I thought" the Limbo tour was fantastic >" I thought" the Mamouna tour was boring >" I thought" the Royal Festival Hall Time Goes By concert was the best >I've >ever been at >" I thought" the Time Goes By Tour was a triumph >" I thought" the Petworth and Castle Howard shows were superb >" I thought" the Belvoir Castle show was boring > >I was in Row 2 centre and if there was a lack of effort or engagement I >must >have missed it. Lynne thought Belvoir Castle was great as it was the first >time she had seen him, but said on the way out that he had really put a lot >more into this show and that he seemed to be enjoying himself more. > >We spoke to Jane Collard on the way out and she really enjoyed it as well. > >I haven't seen the 5 star Mail on Sunday review which is odd as we get that >paper delivered ! I must be slipping to have missed that. But the sort of >review from the London paper drives me mental for these reasons > >1. He's 57 years old making some of his best music. >2. He's still enjoying performing >3. He's getting BETTER live - voice much stronger >4. His breadth of material is superb >5. His stage performance is if anything getting more active and assured - >the >high road video isn't exactly an excercise in bouncing about is it ? >6. His schedule would kill most folk his age >7. He's still looks great >8. He's still bloody cool. >9. His influence is everywhere - still >10. He packed out the place. >11. No point criticising him because he doesn't fanny around stage like >Mick >Jagger or Rod Stewart. Good on him. > >Whatever the rights and wrongs involved not many people can command front >pages and whole pages of national newspapers whilst not having had a top >ten >hit for 17 years. Whilst at the same time being taken seriously for their >work >and performances. This is because he is British Institution - and deserves >and >awards and praise going. Roll on Bryan. > >And final moan - what about his "stuttering" solo career? He made some poor >decisions in the late eightes and the ninties up until as time goes by - >these >cost him dearly commercially. But his reputation is intact as a quality >solo >artist with only really David Bowie able to claim anything remotely >similar. >Can't say I've seen Jaggers solo work storming up the charts. even if he >does >run about a lot on stage. > >that's it I've finshed !! > >Cheers > >Rob > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html >US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:00:26 EDT From: Gal410@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rules of Engagement - Evening Standard Review Rob, Very well said! You should send this to the Evening Standard Review! Heidi In a message dated 10/14/02 6:57:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk writes: > 1. He's 57 years old making some of his best music. > 2. He's still enjoying performing > 3. He's getting BETTER live - voice much stronger > 4. His breadth of material is superb > 5. His stage performance is if anything getting more active and assured - > the > high road video isn't exactly an excercise in bouncing about is it ? > 6. His schedule would kill most folk his age > 7. He's still looks great > 8. He's still bloody cool. > 9. His influence is everywhere - still > 10. He packed out the place. > 11. No point criticising him because he doesn't fanny around stage like > Mick > Jagger or Rod Stewart. Good on him. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:44:58 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V7 #340 RE: CRUEL Y'all seem to be gettin' WAY too metaphysical 'bout Cruel. I assume Cruel is about how life is inherently Cruel weather you are a target of genocide, or saddled with a soul crushing, nowhere job/life. I see that as it's major flaw. My problem with Cruel is it jumps from Native American issues to a more everyday "factory girl" /"lonely boy" setting, then spouts some high brow cultural dumpster-diving with the list of names at the end The separate parts, here work AGAINST each other and blur the intention. In many a Ferry opus there are disparate parts that combine to make a whole. IE: Mother of Pearl Using cultural icons as a yardstick or guide won't get you anywhere either, 'cause they have their problems too. (James Bond being fictional, sets up a really high hurdle to jump.) The Alphaville version seems to have a recording of a native American drum and chant thang as a base. Could BF have been using a folkways recording as a base to doodle on top of? The Frantic mix obscures this facet. BF covering his tracks? Regards, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #341 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest