From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #308 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, September 14 2002 Volume 07 : Number 308 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] One persons opinion [EddieLeyland@aol.com] [AVALON] Bryan on Dutch radio ["Joe Nohoe" ] Re: [AVALON] Bryan on Dutch radio [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] [AVALON] T.Rex Off list ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] [AVALON] Our Man in Hamburg [Stephen.Pepperrell@t-online.de (Stephen Pepp] Re: [AVALON] Ferry V Bowie or Frantic V Heathen ["Mark Yates" ] Re: [AVALON] T.Rex Off list ["Andrew Shearer" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry V Bowie or Frantic V Heathen ["mark shanahan" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry V Bowie or Frantic V Heathen [Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] Bryan on Dutch radio Maybe you all already know (and I missed something...) but the Amsterdam-gig will be broadcast on Dutch radio (BNN) on the 27th of September. Cheers! Ingrid ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 05:16:19 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan on Dutch radio Will it be possible to listen to this show online? Where would I have to go to? Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:02:08 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: [AVALON] T.Rex Off list Anyone interested in buying the new Marc Bolan & T.Rex boxed set, 20th Century Superstar, (which has just dropped through my door) should try purchasing from Virgin online, it was #6 cheaper than anywhere else and has only taken 36 hours to get here. Actually I do miss the little imp. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:24:45 +0200 From: Stephen.Pepperrell@t-online.de (Stephen Pepperrell) Subject: [AVALON] Our Man in Hamburg Bryan Ferry in Hamburg. Basically on home ground. He and Roxy Music are still popular here with true faithful fans. he may have lost some credit though last night. Only a 90- Minute performance. I believe "One Way Love" was the only song dropped as per Brussels Set List. Otherwise the same songs. The beautiful vocal of "I Thought" was drowned in the sounds of the various instruments. Otherwise "Cruel" came across very well and of course the extended "Let's Stick..". Interesting concept, solo performance, "un-plugged" until "The Thrill of it All". The previous "unknown" instrumental is of course only to give the staff the chance to clear the stage of the harp etc. I believe I have this version on an old LP MSOP The Sound of Philedelpia (can't find the correct spelling sorry)about 1975/1976. "Smoke get..." missed the drums, sadly. The star of the evening was of course Bryan. He looked fit, well, happy and highly motivated. His voice was strong, very strong, clear and much better compared to the 1999 tour. Only fault was loosing the text in "Slave to Love" but the band carried him through to the next verse.. who's perfect ? The complete performance was very professional from Paul's incredible drumming to the last notes of harps twings. The photographers only had eyes, lenses, for Bryan. They did'nt seem to be interested in his girl friend. Is it the one holding the pineapple, or holding the rod, someone asked... I always thought Bryan was a "hero". That description is not valid, it changed a year ago watching the firefighters on 11th September. But he is still after all these years a very special artisit, a wonderful musical act, and important for me. Have a nice weekend, Stephen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:23:53 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry V Bowie or Frantic V Heathen I take your point Terry. We all have differing views on things. I personally never take into consideration any of the press reviews..........I find that most music critics are "Failed Musicians" who vent their spleen by criticising more accomplished and greater talented people. As for my copy of Flesh and Blood, it was last seen adorning a shelf in a Charity shop. Mark - ----- Original Message ----- From: "terrypaulrigz8c" To: "Mark Yates" Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry V Bowie or Frantic V Heathen > We are all entitled to our opinion. But to anser your F&B vs Tonight & Never > Let me Down. I now own the recently Re-Mastered CD Version of F&B, whereas > I don't own copies of the Bowie albums at all anymore. And I am sometimes > guided by the press on certain albums, very often they can have good > judgement (especially if several critics agree something is good). But if > the artist himself says a work is poor, then enough said. > > Terry "O" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Yates > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 1:42 AM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry V Bowie or Frantic V Heathen > > > > Behave Terry. > > are you pulling my leg "You don't think he has made a bad album" try > > ........"FLESH AND BLOOD" for all the bad press "Never let me down" and > > "Tonight" got........and i admit there not the strongest of > > Albums.......they still knock the daylights out of Flesh and Blood. just > > compare tracks such as "Zero's" or "Day in Day out" to "Oh Yeah" > > come on mate..........lets be honest. > > Oh and dont tell me your one of those people that actually care what the > > fickle press has to say about an album. I judge an album by word of mouth > of > > friends..........or by buying it.....I would never rely on the press to > > inform me of their opinions. > > Mark. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "terrypaulrigz8c" > > To: "Mark Yates" ; "avalon" > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:07 AM > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry V Bowie or Frantic V Heathen > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Mark Yates > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 6:12 PM > > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry V Bowie or Frantic V Heathen > > > > > > > > > > "But Eddie!!! David always has the better songs" > > > > > > Hey Mark a little biased huh? > > > > > > Overall Bowie has the most "classic" albums to his name, no contest. But > > > even at Bryans lowest point (and I can't think he has made a "bad" > album), > > > he never produced anything as critically panned as "Tonight" or "Never > let > > > me down" (evan Bowie himself agreed). When Bowie handed all his artisted > > > integrety over to session men & producers it was an appalling time for > > him. > > > This year has been an impressive return to form for both men. > > > Bryan is even getting quite brave with his set lists! Bowie of course > has > > > been superhuman with his! > > > > > > Terry "O" > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html > > US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:30:39 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] One persons opinion Eddie I seem to have been dragged intoa discussion that I tried to avoid. As for the freedom of the press that we are all supposed to be so fortunate to have. Lets remember that nearly all of the British Press is run by tyrants, who don't give a fig about the way the ruin peoples lives as long as it gives them good copy and fills one of their pages...........all off these journalists are here today gone tomorrow people..who interfere in peoples private lives........not just the famous........in many cases destroy people.........and then move on to the next case to hand............their despicable and have little or no morals. Mark. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 9:21 AM Subject: [AVALON] One persons opinion > Just read your comments Mark, I understand what you say, how ever we must > remember every single fan, who ever they may be is allowed to pass comment as > they see fit. The gutter press that you talk about do seem to bring out the > worst in people and also expose the worst in people. A lot of what has > happened to Mr Ferry over the past couple of months shows all of us that the > Master is only human after all. People make mistakes throughout life, and a > sad irony of life is that people do very often believe what they read, surely > that's their prerogative. Let's not forget the man is the music and the > lyrics sometimes tell us about the man. it's a free world, free country, and > a free press, thank god, there's good and bad in everything, even Mr Ferry. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html > US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 06:51:10 EDT From: EddieLeyland@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Gutter Press Mark, everybody has an option with regard to the press. Read it or leave it. I believe you shouldn't believe all you read, what's the saying, headlines to day, chip paper tomorrow. regards Eddie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 13:59:05 +0100 From: "Christian H. Soetemann" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry in Hambuech (Hamburg) Same setlist as in Antwerp. Audience mixed. Some drunken. Not so good. Smell, smell. Ferry in great voice. Subtle during the quiet songs. More powerful during the louder stuff. TOF in a transposed key obviously. BF with a very dark and convincing lower register. Great versions of TTOIA, 'Limbo', 'Tokyo Joe', STL (some lyric confusion, though) and especially B&G. PT's drumming excellent. Outstanding on 'Boys & Girls'. Juggernaut-like. Shiny guitar work. Tara with guitar elements. DTS very powerful. 'I Thought' a very touching ending. Great concert. Exactly 90 minutes. CHS NP: Air - Dead Bodies ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:14:20 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry V Bowie or Frantic V Heathen - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Yates" To: Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry V Bowie or Frantic V Heathen > are you pulling my leg "You don't think he has made a bad album" try > ........"FLESH AND BLOOD" for all the bad press "Never let me down" and > "Tonight" got........and i admit there not the strongest of > Albums.......they still knock the daylights out of Flesh and Blood. just > compare tracks such as "Zero's" or "Day in Day out" to "Oh Yeah" > come on mate..........lets be honest. In your dreams mate. Bowie hasn't turned out a good album in years, there has been the odd track here and there, but in the whole his albums just don't cut the mustard. While "Flesh and Blood" might not have been the best Roxy album it did sum up things in 1980 when it was released and still runs well when listened to twenty two years later. If you think Bowie has done so much better good for you, but must I mention Tin Machine, now there was a load of crap by anybody's standards. I have yet to hear "Heathen" in its entirety, but what I have heard was pretty poor fair, the same goes for the footage I've seen from Bowie's latest set of shows, his band sounds pretty messy and a bit lazy. Cheers, Tom. You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:52:09 -0400 From: "eRacerX" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Bryan on stage early for the UK shows...? - -----Original Message----- From: Aleks Kocan >> I'd guess theres little time for any support act. I've seen Bryan and Roxy on a few occasions, and there has never been an opening act... ..wait..how's my memory.. any one at the Palladium (NY) in MArch of '79? I don't think there was an opener... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:21:15 -0400 From: David Neuhaus Subject: RE: [AVALON] Bryan on stage early for the UK shows...? > I've seen Bryan and Roxy on a few occasions, and there has never been an > opening act... > ..wait..how's my memory.. any one at the Palladium (NY) in MArch of '79? I > don't think there was an opener... The Atlantics (from Boston) Dave N. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:33:39 +0100 From: Jane Fraser Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan on stage early for the UK shows...? on 13/9/02 4:30 pm, Paula Brown at lostribe@msn.com wrote: >> Theres a small ad in the back of this months "Q" music > mag for the UK tour. The small print at the bottom > says "Bryan Ferry On Stage 8.00pm". Rod Stewart did this at Wembley and it was a total shambles. Loads of people still coming in and milling about trying to find their seats in the dark while he was well into his show. Complete chaos. I'm sure none of us will miss a second but it could be very off-putting for Bryan if the same thing happens to him - especially as it's such a quiet start to the show. Jane ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:01:52 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan on stage early for the UK shows...? << > I've seen Bryan and Roxy on a few occasions, and there has never been an > opening act... > ..wait..how's my memory.. any one at the Palladium (NY) in MArch of '79? I > don't think there was an opener... The Atlantics (from Boston) >> YES, I saw the pitiful Atlantics they opened on the Manifesto tour. (Towson, MD) All this time later I thought it was the equally asinine Romantics, they at least had a hit) no opener on the Avalon tour (Radio City Music Hall, NYC) Some really lame cocktail lounge sort of act on the Mamouna tour (Beacon Theater, NYC) No opener on the As Time Goes By tour (Beacon Theater, NYC) Rufus Wainwright on the reunion tour (Madison Square Garden Theater, NYC) I'd heard Mr. Wainwright was good, not the 2 nights I saw him. I think BF likes to have (pick your derogatory adjective) acts open for him, so as not to have ANY possibility of being upstaged. As though that were possible. Regards R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:07:02 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry V Bowie or Frantic V Heathen IF I think Bowie has done so much better!!! better than what?.......Flesh and Blood..........well of course he has. Can i just say Tom.....from what i can make out, You haven't followed the careers of BOTH men........you slag off Bowie without listening to his latest materpiece.......you obviously didn't see him on his wonderful tour...Where as I have at least made the effort to purchase all of Ferry's CD's and have since 1975 always made the effort to see him live........yet.........you give me a lecture on Bowie.......Now your having a laugh.......I'm glad you like Flesh and Blood..its pretty obvious from the postings to the site and by the reaction at the roxy-ferry gigs that Flesh and Blood it pretty popular........but as i was once told from an Avalon Member "One mans drink, is another mans poison". You write as though I wasn't even a fan of Ferry....well that couldn't be further from the truth........The fact that I think of the two men Bowie has the greater talent.both in song writing and in live performance, doesn't mean that I'm not a huge fan of Ferry. Surely the basic fact that I read and contribute to this list is evidence enough that I am a great admirer of Ferry. I have and still do listen to the man on a weekly basis. I have been fortunate enough to see both Roxy and Bowie in the past 12 months or so..........and .to my great pleasure they both delved into there back catalogues, for the gigs.......the difference between the audience at the Bowie gigs in comparison to the Audience at the Roxy gigs.......was the knowledge and appreciation.........The Roxy audience only came to life when they played "Oh yeah" "Love is the Drug" or dance away.........tracks such as Out of the Blue....All I want is you..........and even Dreamhome although appreciated by a number of the audience.....were received with muted applause by a large majority........Where as When Bowie played his older material.........such as "Stay".........Starman........etc.the audience went wild.....therefore leaving me to believe that the followers of Bowie are far dedicated than the bulk of Roxy fans.......an Example.....when the gig kicked off with Remake-Remodel.......the person next to me said "why have they started with new stuff.? It would have been better to start with an Older one" The entire row had no idea when one song had finished and another started.........But boy did they enjoy the Manifesto and Flesh and Blood material .....When Bowie kicked off with LIFE ON MARS.you could have cut the atmosphere with a knife....The problem is that Ferry fans could never stomach Bowies world success........while Roxy although big in Europe never cut it on the world stage. That always one or two of them bitter. I also don't understand why everyone wants to use "Tin Machine" as a stick to beat him with........it was something he wanted to try.......it didn't work but the man is an artist.he has free license to try new ideas.........just like ferry did with Taxi.......I'll take Tin Machine over Taxi any day cheers Mark. P.S. (By the way Colleen this is not an argument i'm just replying to Tom's mail) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "thom.wallace" To: "Avalon" Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry V Bowie or Frantic V Heathen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Yates" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 1:42 AM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry V Bowie or Frantic V Heathen > > > > are you pulling my leg "You don't think he has made a bad album" try > > ........"FLESH AND BLOOD" for all the bad press "Never let me down" and > > "Tonight" got........and i admit there not the strongest of > > Albums.......they still knock the daylights out of Flesh and Blood. just > > compare tracks such as "Zero's" or "Day in Day out" to "Oh Yeah" > > come on mate..........lets be honest. > > In your dreams mate. Bowie hasn't turned out a good album in years, there > has been the odd track here and there, but in the whole his albums just > don't cut the mustard. While "Flesh and Blood" might not have been the best > Roxy album it did sum up things in 1980 when it was released and still runs > well when listened to twenty two years later. If you think Bowie has done so > much better good for you, but must I mention Tin Machine, now there was a > load of crap by anybody's standards. I have yet to hear "Heathen" in its > entirety, but what I have heard was pretty poor fair, the same goes for the > footage I've seen from Bowie's latest set of shows, his band sounds pretty > messy and a bit lazy. > > Cheers, > Tom. > > > > You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html > US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:34:46 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Gutter Press In a message dated 9/14/02 6:50:40 AM, EddieLeyland@aol.com writes: << Mark, everybody has an option with regard to the press. Read it or leave it. I believe you shouldn't believe all you read, what's the saying, headlines to day, chip paper tomorrow. regards Eddie >> I thought it was BOG paper. Maybe the economy's improved? Regards, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:49:08 -0400 From: David Neuhaus Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan on stage early for the UK shows...? > no opener on the Avalon tour (Radio City Music Hall, NYC) Modern English Dave N. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:50:59 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Gutter Press Eddie This "Read it or Leave it" Its to simplistic an attitude. Life just aint as easy as that........The press manipulate....alot of people dont understand when they are being manipulated.....why do you think the political parties bend-over backwards for the support of papers like the Sun?.........because they can manipulate the readers. Mark - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 11:51 AM Subject: [AVALON] Gutter Press > Mark, everybody has an option with regard to the press. Read it or leave it. > I believe you shouldn't believe all you read, what's the saying, headlines to > day, chip paper tomorrow. > regards > Eddie > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html > US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:19:52 +0000 From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] T.Rex Off list Terry and anyone else interested (Reecey?!) might be interested to know that there's a TOTP2 Special this week on BBC2 for Marc Bolan & T Rex. (I think Tuesday) Regards, Andrew >From: "terrypaulrigz8c" >To: "avalon" >Subject: [AVALON] T.Rex Off list >Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:02:08 +0100 > >Anyone interested in buying the new Marc Bolan & T.Rex boxed set, 20th >Century >Superstar, (which has just dropped through my door) should try purchasing >from >Virgin online, it was #6 cheaper than anywhere else and has only taken 36 >hours to get here. >Actually I do miss the little imp. > >Terry "O" > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html >US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 13:39:16 -0700 From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry V Bowie or Frantic V Heathen gee whiz ... would it be too out of line to ask that we either stave off the bowie discussion or take it off list?? it's a *headache*. *TIA* peaces/ms _______________________________________________________________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <-----Original Message-----> >From: Mark Yates > >IF I think Bowie has done so much better!!! better than what?.......Flesh >and Blood..........well of course he has. [**CUT**] ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:10:42 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry V Bowie or Frantic V Heathen Why Mark? I thought the whole idea of a site such as this was to debate such matters. The question is...Why is it that Bowie fans still turn out in numbers to see the man,? and i mean people who were going to Bowie concerts in 1972 long before i ever did. in comparrison Where are all the Roxy or Ferry fans that used to turn up to the gigs in the 70's? not the bunch who climbed on board after hearing Flesh and Blood. Why have so many of the old crew diserted the ship? Or put it another way...why have Bowies songs remained so important to people, and created such strong emotions in people that people cherish them for life.? whereas people seem to have little regard for the Classic Roxy? discuss. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark shanahan" To: Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry V Bowie or Frantic V Heathen > gee whiz ... would it be too out of line to ask that we either stave off > the bowie discussion or take it off list?? it's a *headache*. > > *TIA* > > peaces/ms > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at > http://www.mail2world.com > > <-----Original Message-----> > >From: Mark Yates > > > >IF I think Bowie has done so much better!!! better than > what?.......Flesh > >and Blood..........well of course he has. > > [**CUT**] > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html > US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:23:11 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] VH 1 After watching the exellent I am Sam on DVD my wife switched to VH 1 and we caught the end of Jealous Guy with Phil Manzanera on guitar, but no one else from Roxy that I could spot. It must have been some kind of midsummer special because that what was the credits for the next song from the same set with former MTV dj Paul King on vocals, what was it? NP Jackson Browne, Running on empty Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:17:53 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry V Bowie or Frantic V Heathen Bowie did have an amazing run in the 70's, as did Roxy and the various solo albums from the Music members. But I rank Mamouna higher then any Bowie album I've heard since 1980, not having heard Heathen yet. NP Peter Gabriel, Up Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:32:03 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry V Bowie or Frantic V Heathen - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Yates" To: Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry V Bowie or Frantic V Heathen > IF I think Bowie has done so much better!!! better than what?.......Flesh > and Blood..........well of course he has. In your opinion, certainly not mine. > Can i just say Tom.....from what i can make out, You haven't followed the > careers of BOTH men........you slag off Bowie without listening to his > latest materpiece.......you obviously didn't see him on his wonderful > tour...Where as I have at least made the effort to purchase all of Ferry's > CD's and have since 1975 always made the effort to see him Why would I spend cash going to see someone who doesn't rate that highly in my musical interests? You may think that "Heathen" is a masterpiece, that doesn't mean to say that I have to. As I said before what I have heard from it left me cold as did the footage I've seen from his recent shows. > live........yet.........you give me a lecture on Bowie....... You sent your posting, I sent a reply, there was no lecture. > I'm glad you like Flesh and Blood..its pretty obvious from the > postings to the site and by the reaction at the roxy-ferry gigs that Flesh > and Blood it pretty popular........but as i was once told from an Avalon > Member "One mans drink, is another mans poison". You write as though I > wasn't even a fan of Ferry....well that couldn't be further from the > truth........ "One mans drink, is another mans poison", that's what makes us all so difeerent on the list and why if you post you can expect others to disagree with you. Nobody's views have anymore weight than anybody elses, you seem to have lost the point of this, you seem to be telling me that your view has more validity as you have a preference for Bowie. > The Roxy audience only came to life when they played > "Oh yeah" "Love is the Drug" or dance away.........tracks such as Out of the > Blue....All I want is you..........and even Dreamhome although appreciated > by a number of the audience.....were received with muted applause by a large > majority........Where as When Bowie played his older material.........such > as "Stay".........Starman........etc.the audience went wild.....therefore > leaving me to believe that the followers of Bowie are far dedicated than the > bulk of Roxy fans....... I don't know where you went to see Roxy, but there certainly wasn't a problem like that at any of the three UK shows I attended. Btw, I don't remember seeing "All I want is you" on any of the setlists from the 2001, 1982, 1980 or 1979 tours so you must have struck lucky at the show with the bad audience. I don't remember if they played it at the Apollo in '75, they certainly did in '74 though as it was a highlight of the show for me. > The problem is that Ferry fans > could never stomach Bowies world success........while Roxy although big in > Europe never cut it on the world stage. That always one or two of them > bitter. I presume by world success you mean the USA, Roxy seemed to be a success every other part of the world market. Personally I'm not all that bothered where a band or artist fnds success if I like what they produce. > I also don't understand why everyone wants to use "Tin Machine" as a > stick to beat him with........it was something he wanted to try.......it > didn't work but the man is an artist.he has free license to try new > ideas... And try it certainly did, but like it or not it was part of his output and it did stink, especially his cover of "If there is something" > I'll take Tin Machine over > Taxi any day Well that's up to you, personally I'd take "Cry Cry Cry" and "My Little Girl" over Tin Machine any day, but that's just my view, I don't expect others have to agree with me. To behonest I haven't heard a decent Bowie album since Heroes and Low and they seemed to be heavily influenced by Eno, the couple I actually purchased after that before hearing them went to the charity sale as they were prety poor efforts, but then that's only my view. all the best, Tom. You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 17:33:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry V Bowie or Frantic V Heathen Oh yeah? Well, my dad can beat up your dad. (I'm in the wrong thread? Or am I?) Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 17:34:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: RE: [AVALON] Bryan on stage early for the UK shows...? On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, eRacerX wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Aleks Kocan > >> I'd guess theres little time for any support > act. > > I've seen Bryan and Roxy on a few occasions, and there has never been an > opening act... The _Bete Noire_ tour had the late great O Positive opening for Mr. Ferry at Great Woods outside Boston. Did the European leg of the Roxy tour have an opening act? Somehow I suspect Mr. Ferry may have one on this side of the pond. 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