From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #281 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, August 23 2002 Volume 07 : Number 281 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Bad news doesn't follow the clues. [KB Porter ] [AVALON] I don't think the line is fuzzy at all [Colleen Matan ] Fwd: OFF-LIST Re: [AVALON] No Subject [DEAGLERR@aol.com] Re: OFF-LIST Re: [AVALON] No Subject [DEAGLERR@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "This Island Earth" ["Christian H. Soetemann" ] RE: OFF-LIST Re: [AVALON] No Subject ["Heather James" ] RE: OFF-LIST Re: [AVALON] No Subject ["Heather James" ] [AVALON] What is going on in Avalonia, pleasse explain or RELAX! ["cor br] Re: [AVALON] Bad news doesn't follow the clues. [Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bad news doesn't follow the clues. "Either way I don't think it's the purpose of this list to vilify Lucy Ferry or to engage in base speculation about anyone's motives... I say this because I belive it's common courtesy and basic human decency." BRAVO COLLEEN!!!!!!!! You are perfectly correct, there is no villain here and no one should be made out as such. All said and done, if a divorce occurs any ill will would only further the heartache that accompanies such grave actions. I think we should be empathetic rather than derisive toward the Ferry's. Best wishes, All. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:54:15 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: Fwd: [AVALON] Bad news doesn't follow the clues. "My observation: for a very private couple, (for show folk) Ms F has been talking to the press alot. There must be a reason for this new development. Draw your own conclusions if you don't like mine." I concluded that Mrs. Ferry has finally gone public because she believes there is no longer any point in trying to salvage an irreparable relationship. She may believe this public acknowledgment will force the issue with Mr. Ferry who has expressed great resistance to any dissension regarding his marital status. Her posturing may be the only means that she has to signal the seriousness of the situation. Of course, ALL conclusions drawn ARE SPECULATIVE AND WITHOUT SUBSTANTIATION. This really is not a subject we should dwell upon. There may be no right or wrong in this situation. It takes two to tango. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:59:48 +0100 From: philipcadams@lineone.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bad news doesn't follow the clues. There are limits. I think gossip of this nature should be left off the list. We of all people should give the Ferrys space and and more than a bit respect. It is the music that got us here in the first place. Philip >Maybe I'm wrong but I always thought that the purpose >of this list was to discuss Bryan Ferry and Roxy >Music, and (in my opinion) any "side issues", rather >than just the MUSIC of Bryan Ferry and Roxy. > >Do people agree? > >Aleks ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:31:41 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bad news doesn't follow the clues. At 08.38 -0400 02-08-22, KB Porter wrote: >You are perfectly correct, there is no villain here and no >one should be made out as such. "There is no good guy, there is no bad guy, there is only you and me and we just disagree." Dave Mason NP Communards, Don't leave me this way Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:38:45 -0500 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: [AVALON] Drawing the fuzzy line I just wanted to add one further comment about this subject. It's little wonder many of us are curious or find relevance in Bryan's personal goings on and particularly a breakup since his music has served many of us as a lighthouse on a lonely sea as we were going through similar strife. I've had more than a couple of people in my life, and myself as well, who felt it was the only thing that understood them at such times and didn't know how they would have muddled through without it. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:53:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] I don't think the line is fuzzy at all On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Paula Brown wrote: > I just wanted to add one further comment about this subject. It's > little wonder many of us are curious or find relevance in Bryan's > personal goings on and particularly a breakup since his music has served > many of us as a lighthouse on a lonely sea as we were going through > similar strife. I've had more than a couple of people in my life, and > myself as well, who felt it was the only thing that understood them at > such times and didn't know how they would have muddled through without > it. Yes, but talking about how a song or a movie or a book or religion got *us* through a rough time in our own lives is completely different--we're talking about our own firsthand experiences where we knew quite a lot about what was going on. But there is a big difference between that and speculating about someone else's situation, particularly when (1) they're not present to correct errors or to defend themselves against nastiness and (2) you know zero details (we've been able to read one article which in the end means we know nothing). To put it another way: Bryan or Lucy writing firsthand to the list about what music s/he is listening to in order to get through this heartbreak is one thing; our secondhand uninformed gossip about their heartbreak is another. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:03:05 -0500 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] I don't think the line is fuzzy at all I agree it's different. I'm just saying we feel a connection and it's natural for some of us to be curious and anxious to know, having felt like he's shared some things with us in his music, how he's handling this. Not saying it's polite, just a natural impulse. Paula On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Paula Brown wrote: > I just wanted to add one further comment about this subject. It's > little wonder many of us are curious or find relevance in Bryan's > personal goings on and particularly a breakup since his music has served > many of us as a lighthouse on a lonely sea as we were going through > similar strife. I've had more than a couple of people in my life, and > myself as well, who felt it was the only thing that understood them at > such times and didn't know how they would have muddled through without > it. >To put it another way: Bryan or Lucy writing firsthand to the list about what music s/he is listening to in order to get through this heartbreak is one thing; our secondhand uninformed gossip about their heartbreak is another. Colleen< ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:20:05 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bad news doesn't follow the clues. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bad news doesn't follow the clues. > There are limits. I think gossip of this nature should be left off the list. > We of all people should give the Ferrys space and and more than a bit respect. > It is the music that got us here in the first place. > > Philip My sentiments exactly Philip. Tom. You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:20:17 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Let's NOT stick to gethe, in Alphaville Well if the split is happening maybe we;ll finally get a release of LOVE/WAR, thinks I. Since the Alphaville Horoscope business has been aired... and having recently heard AV... I'd like to make a couple of comments on Alphaville (AV) and Frantic (Son of Alphaville) Maybe it;s the forbidden fruit, but Alphaville is a FAR superior album to my way of thinking. 1. Love War: is such a standout, how could BF NOT release it? Gritty, propulsive even passionate, a real rocker that deserves to be heard. Course since he stole the bridge to put in "Fool For Love" who knows what form it will have to take. BF is pissed at (the Misses) and not gonna take it anymore. My IMMEDIATE favorite from AV 2. Cruel: Essentially the same as on Frantic, but a better mix. Note the sampled Indian dance/chant underneath some of the rhythms has BF been doing some ethnographic dumpster diving? I feel the 1/2 Native American, 1/2 dreary factory life lyrics don't congeal into a whole, & trivialize each other. 3. Alphaville: knockout soundscape. Again Ferry takes a film title & works it into a fine song, often this highbrow name dropping makes me cringe, but when it works, there's none better than BF. (not even John Foxx, who pulls the same thang. i.e. Ultravox's Hiroshima, Mon Amour) The insistent dreamy funk groove, the imagery of naughty nocturnal nookie, in some noir future anonymous urban wasteland ... and what 's that French chick saying? 4. Nobody Loves Me: faster More uptempo on AV, better version, more accusatory with the repeated "Girl," Love the sampled oboe from Ladytron. slightly different lyric. The Frantic version is more sulky & petulant, despite the FINE guitar solo. The lyrics on AV include some Doobbie-Doos I see he resolved them in the Frantic version. 5. I Don't Want To: A tin-pan-alley waltz, with strings & arrangement and everything. "Here in the gloom of my lonely room, I hold her handkerchief & smell her sweet perfume" The kind of song Ferry has covered for years, but here an original. 6. Shakespeare's Sonnet #18. This appears on the Princess Diana Tribute Album. A worthy setting for the Eng. Lit.101 classic. Deserves wider hearing. 7. You Can Dance. My current fave. As San Simeon is "Son of Every Dream Home" this is the "evil twin of Do the Strand," free association text of dances, dance halls and cities which inspire dance imagery to a rhythm track. I do wonder when BF was last "in a Discotheque at dawn," or at a place where you could "jump up on the table, slide down a pole" in Vegas. But I know he's "take(n) it to the river while singin' in the rain." Go, Baby GO-GO. This song is the bomb. 8. One Way Love. Prime cover.Esentially the same on both discs. But the AV version has a better repeated synth line in it. 9. Hiroshima. The standout on Frantic becomes an also ran on AV. Context is everything. BF name drops a film title, and makes something of it more than mawkish snobbism. The atmospherics and the "Je Tiem" vocals are chilling & wonderful "my life's out of control because you hit me like a 'thousand suns' " (the famous line describing the A-bomb attack) Simply great, both versions. 10. This Love. The ticking clock in dreamland, with radar pings to show where you're going. A sort of French movie soundtrack feel. A piano tinkle here and there, some sax, lush & beautifully & that French chick is back whispering sweet nothings. "Maybe I'll fall in love again, maybe when the Novocain wears off" I hear this is on the "best of the ballad CD. 11. San Simeon. The AV version still doesn't work, even tho it's superior to the Frantic stripped down version. The Dixieland band in the spook house effect is more full. I think this is BF's great failure, It SHOULD work, Has me pulling for it, but I can't get behind lines like "walnut veneer." Reminds me of "Last Year at Marienbad" where the bored aristos hang out & comment on "these walls. These tapestries, these marble pillars..." Acknowledged "Son of In Every Dreamhome." 12. Fool For Love. I like the AV version better. Up tempo, the synth lines, the higher "balls in a vice" vocals, all work better for me. The Frantic version has the bridge originally intended for Love War, not to mention Ja Nun Hons Pris as an intro. It works, but this is the real deal, folks. Which brings us to the Frantic stuff not on Alphaville? AY Caramba! The Dyllan covers... I can live without. Baby Blue sounds like an out-take Circa "In Your Mind," with its Anne Odell style strings. Don't Think Twice? Think again. Too stripped down. BF is at his best on covers when he finds a way to make them his own. I.E.: "Jealous Guy" or I'm in the Mood For Love" the best thing on "As Time Goes By" Goin' Down, what's the point, Goodnight Irene, Please! Must be a trend... I hear BF is gonna have a double-wide set up behind the mansion, & park a derelict Camaro on blocks "Dukes of Hazzard" style on the lawn, so he & his good buddies can pick & sing and chew "Red Man," and get back to his roots. The fox hounds can lay around under the screen porch, & keep the "reveneooers" away from the still. Jest hope there're none of them tornadoes in that there England place. Oops sorry... acid flashback? Goddess of Love. is quite good, but something about it could be better. Maybe it's the too obvious Marilyn Thang? Still I've been marching around humming it to myself of late. This was apparently Written for the AV sessions, given the Ferry/Stewart credit. What would Eno have done to it, since he plays keyboard on it? Which leaves: I Thought. This song would be Exilent from anyone else, but I hold BF & Eno in such high regard that is really does sound like "well Eno was in St Petersburg with a couple of days of studio time..." The atmospheric synth part says Eno loud & clear, the lyrics are probably what annoy me. It's another culture name dropping thang that doesn't work for me. "I thought you'd be my streetcar named desire." "I thought you'd be my Tennessee Williams play?" Image as icon, not springboard. This stuff's been in my head for several days, Call me Judas, call me LuciFer, call me... Yoko, but I think Alphaville is a lost gem, the 10 hour "Greed," of Mr. Ferry's oeuvre, & needs to be heard. I hear the huzzahs for Frantic, "return to form" etc. Alphaville blows it out of the water. Humbly, R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:26:51 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] No Subject By the way it's been 24 hours and Colleen has not supplied proof of my supposed racist remark. R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:38:19 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] RE: LOVE WAR Well if the split is happening maybe we;ll finally get a release of LOVE/WAR, thinks I. Yeah, im sure thats the first thing on BF's mind. Jonathan n/p Orbital 'Doctor....?' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:47:48 -0700 From: "David Firmin" Subject: Re: [AVALON] No Subject I think you said you'd rather see your sister in a whorehouse, than your brother on a Jap bike, or something to that effect. So, give me a break, I read everything. It's entertaining :) Anyone know what Ferry has been up to this month? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 8:26 AM Subject: [AVALON] No Subject > By the way it's been 24 hours and Colleen has not supplied proof of my > supposed racist remark. > R Deagle *** ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:14:27 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Fwd: OFF-LIST Re: [AVALON] No Subject Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (rly-ye02.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.199]) by air-ye05.mail.aol.com (v88.20) with ESMTP id MAILINYE52-0822113441; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:34:41 -0400 Received: from smtp-1.his.com (smtp-1.his.com [216.194.225.82]) by rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (v88.19) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYE21-0822113435; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:34:35 -0400 Received: from mail.his.com (root@mail.his.com [216.194.225.77]) by smtp-1.his.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g7MFYYQU030834 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:34:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjem@his.com) Received: from localhost (cjem@localhost) by mail.his.com (8.11.6/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7MFYXt25774 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:34:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan To: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: OFF-LIST Re: [AVALON] No Subject In-Reply-To: <3d.230bd0cc.2a965cbb@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 DEAGLERR@aol.com wrote: > By the way it's been 24 hours and Colleen has not supplied proof of my > supposed racist remark. > R Deagle This message is being sent off-list because I do not wish to reoffend the folks who were offended the first time. My email is not intended to be posted to the list in any way, shape or form. Thank you. - -------- Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:30:22 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] NY Daily News Thanks for the article, but to paraphrase a T-shirt I once saw in a biker shop: "I'd rather see my sister in a whorehouse, than my brother reading the Daily News" * Let's wait for REAL journalism & see what People has to say. They might get the PRO hunting thing right/ R Deagle NP /Jennifer Lopez "Hit Me With Your Rythm Stick" *(original: ... "than my brother on a Jap bike") - ----- It may not be a big deal to you, but I'm the one who has to hear the complaints. You seem to have gotten off on the wrong foot on Avalon. At least I sincerely hope that is the case. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:14:35 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: OFF-LIST Re: [AVALON] No Subject I'm still puzzled. If you ARE refering to my comment about a "jap bike" I think you are straining the point. Indeed Motorcycles ARE from Japan. (indeed I was born in Japan) There was no racial slur to MY way of thinking. if anyone else on the list is offended I'll gladly apoplogise to THEM. I'm also puzzled as you NOW want to conduct this offlist in private. You certainly could have sent your comments to me offlist if you have the guts to give me shit in public, then why not just admit you were wrong in public. "I do not wish to reoffend the folks who were offended the first time" What people if someone has a beef with me on the list, SAY SO. I think this is a feebel attempt for you to butress your lame arguement. AGAIN, if anyone else on the list is offended I'll gladly apoplogise to THEM. Your heavy handed Fuhrer-manqui routine gets to be old real fast. Not everyone will agree with you all the time. If you are like me you even change your mind on occasion. The thing that seems to have set you off is my LuciFer ry crack. Too bad, I bet you wish you'd thought of it first. Truth is I bet we're closer than you think on the split issue. The real annoyance for me is the "break-up-by -press-release" routine. There's usually a reason for someone to call the public into a private matter. I'm sure you had your reason for accusing me in the public space of this list. R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:51:21 +0000 From: "Christian H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "This Island Earth" I'm late with this, but let me say it's a great song which I have overlooked a bit for some years. In a way, it's a sonic watershed - this being the first track where Bryan Ferry applies the detailed atmospheric keyboard work that became more prominent in his work during the 80s and culminating with 'Mamouna'. Note that the vocal style is more subdued than on other tracks on TBSB. Christian ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:34:42 EDT From: Stevesiren@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Let's NOT stick to gethe, in Alphaville In a message dated 8/22/02 04:24:58 GMT Daylight Time, DEAGLERR@aol.com writes: > 5. I Don't Want To: > A tin-pan-alley waltz, with strings & arrangement and everything. "Here in > the gloom of my lonely room, I hold her handkerchief & smell her sweet > perfume" > The kind of song Ferry has covered for years, but here an original. > It is, in fact a cover , The Moody Blues had a hit (in the uk) with it in '65 although they called it "I Don't Want To Go On Without You" although I've never heard the Ferry version, I believe the arrangement is similar to the original. I can't remember who wrote it at the minute, but I'm sure someone can. Steve. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:25:23 +0200 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Let's NOT stick to gethe, in Alphaville Berry Berns and Jerry Wexler Original '64 Drifters as One way love Covered by The dolphins in '64 Moody blues '65 and even Patti Label Nazareth and Van Morrison did that song Han - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Let's NOT stick to gethe, in Alphaville > In a message dated 8/22/02 04:24:58 GMT Daylight Time, DEAGLERR@aol.com > writes: > > > > 5. I Don't Want To: > > A tin-pan-alley waltz, with strings & arrangement and everything. "Here in > > the gloom of my lonely room, I hold her handkerchief & smell her sweet > > perfume" > > The kind of song Ferry has covered for years, but here an original. > > > > It is, in fact a cover , The Moody Blues had a hit (in the uk) with it in > '65 although they called it "I Don't Want To Go On Without You" although I've > never heard the Ferry version, I believe the arrangement is similar to the > original. I can't remember who wrote it at the minute, but I'm sure someone > can. > Steve. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html > US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 12:36:52 -0700 From: "David Firmin" Subject: [AVALON] Hello I posted the article here if anyone cares to see it. http://pub42.bravenet.com/forum/fetch.php?id=9952655&usernum=3542466064 Takes a minute to load. *** ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:16:00 -0400 From: "Heather James" Subject: RE: OFF-LIST Re: [AVALON] No Subject What IS this wackiness - supposedly the NEW Avalon List format was supposed to prevent people posting things to the list unless they SPECIFICALLY WANTED it going to the list. So - how can a message marked off-List get sent to the whole list "accidentally" ... -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com The Roxy Music Archives: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ My Music Trading Lists: http://www.thewebgal.com/trades/ Roxy Music Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/trades/a-list.html Van Morrison Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/trades/van-list.html >-----------------------------------------------------------------------< - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of DEAGLERR@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:14 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Fwd: OFF-LIST Re: [AVALON] No Subject Return-Path: Received: from rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (rly-ye02.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.199]) by air-ye05.mail.aol.com (v88.20) with ESMTP id MAILINYE52-0822113441; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:34:41 -0400 Received: from smtp-1.his.com (smtp-1.his.com [216.194.225.82]) by rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (v88.19) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYE21-0822113435; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:34:35 -0400 Received: from mail.his.com (root@mail.his.com [216.194.225.77]) by smtp-1.his.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g7MFYYQU030834 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:34:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjem@his.com) Received: from localhost (cjem@localhost) by mail.his.com (8.11.6/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g7MFYXt25774 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:34:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan To: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: OFF-LIST Re: [AVALON] No Subject In-Reply-To: <3d.230bd0cc.2a965cbb@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 DEAGLERR@aol.com wrote: > By the way it's been 24 hours and Colleen has not supplied proof of my > supposed racist remark. > R Deagle This message is being sent off-list because I do not wish to reoffend the folks who were offended the first time. My email is not intended to be posted to the list in any way, shape or form. Thank you. - -------- Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:30:22 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] NY Daily News Thanks for the article, but to paraphrase a T-shirt I once saw in a biker shop: "I'd rather see my sister in a whorehouse, than my brother reading the Daily News" * Let's wait for REAL journalism & see what People has to say. They might get the PRO hunting thing right/ R Deagle NP /Jennifer Lopez "Hit Me With Your Rythm Stick" *(original: ... "than my brother on a Jap bike") - ----- It may not be a big deal to you, but I'm the one who has to hear the complaints. You seem to have gotten off on the wrong foot on Avalon. At least I sincerely hope that is the case. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:32:22 -0400 From: "Heather James" Subject: RE: OFF-LIST Re: [AVALON] No Subject Indeed, Motorcycles are from all over the world - most of mine were British ... a Norton Featherbed, various 70s model Triumphs (TR7-RV 750 twin), the japanese bikes came post WW2 - when Soichiro Honda (sp?) put an engine on a bicycle and started the whole japanese bike industry - so at the LEAST, they were latecomers ... And there were Indians and Harley's long before that - and Ariel, Henderson, Excelsior ... it goes on and on ... Claiming Japanese birth doesn't grant the right of Japanese slurs - it just makes you hypocritical, racists come from all over - and are tolerated virtually nowhere in decent civilization. You really are just a troll baiting any and all who come through here - hmm? -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com The Roxy Music Archives: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ My Music Trading Lists: http://www.thewebgal.com/trades/ Roxy Music Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/trades/a-list.html Van Morrison Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/trades/van-list.html >-----------------------------------------------------------------------< - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of DEAGLERR@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 12:15 PM To: cjem@his.com; avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: OFF-LIST Re: [AVALON] No Subject I'm still puzzled. If you ARE refering to my comment about a "jap bike" I think you are straining the point. Indeed Motorcycles ARE from Japan. (indeed I was born in Japan) There was no racial slur to MY way of thinking. if anyone else on the list is offended I'll gladly apoplogise to THEM. I'm also puzzled as you NOW want to conduct this offlist in private. You certainly could have sent your comments to me offlist if you have the guts to give me shit in public, then why not just admit you were wrong in public. "I do not wish to reoffend the folks who were offended the first time" What people if someone has a beef with me on the list, SAY SO. I think this is a feebel attempt for you to butress your lame arguement. AGAIN, if anyone else on the list is offended I'll gladly apoplogise to THEM. Your heavy handed Fuhrer-manqui routine gets to be old real fast. Not everyone will agree with you all the time. If you are like me you even change your mind on occasion. The thing that seems to have set you off is my LuciFer ry crack. Too bad, I bet you wish you'd thought of it first. Truth is I bet we're closer than you think on the split issue. The real annoyance for me is the "break-up-by -press-release" routine. There's usually a reason for someone to call the public into a private matter. I'm sure you had your reason for accusing me in the public space of this list. R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:46:53 +0200 From: "cor broersen" Subject: [AVALON] What is going on in Avalonia, pleasse explain or RELAX! It seems to me that there are some verry stressed people posting mail to the list. Even some offlist mails are turning up in my private mailbox. "and it make's me wonder" Why don't you RELAX a little and surf to www.corbroersen.tk or www.geocities.com/corbroersen/try.html where you can download four livetracks by Re-make/Re-model the Dutch Roxy Music tributeband. The tracks are: Do the strand (Radio Rijnmond) Editions of you (A Mad Affair,hear yourself in the "singalong avalonians backing choir") Both ends burning (Zuid Beijerland) and a verry beautifull That's how strong my love is (Radio Rijnmond). The tracks are For Your Pleasure only. And pleasse, No offlist topics or arguments to my private-mailbox unless you mail me trough my site and that is not my hotmail-address. Cor Blimey! B., N.P. Gong-A Pot Head Pixies Advice ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:18:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bad news doesn't follow the clues. If people want to talk about it then (in my opinion) "fine". Personally, I have no contribution to make with regard to any marital strife that might be occuring. Having said that if other people do, then why not allow them to talk about? It's not just about the music, we've talked about other things Ferry/Roxy related before, whether it be what Bryan is wearing on stage or whatever. The fact of the matter is that if not enough people are interested in a subject, the thread will end anyway. Aleks > From: > > There are limits. I think gossip of this nature > should be left off the > list. > > We of all people should give the Ferrys space and > and more than a bit > respect. > > It is the music that got us here in the first > place. - --- "thom.wallace" wrote: > My sentiments exactly Philip. Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #281 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest