From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #275 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, August 17 2002 Volume 07 : Number 275 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] The upcoming US Tour [jas2347@attbi.com] Re: [AVALON] ferry love life? ["Rachel Smither" ] [AVALON] Return of Jerry?? ["dark.images" ] Fwd: [AVALON] ferry love life? [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] Re: Fwd: [AVALON] ferry love life? [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] the Ferrys love life! ["Heather James" ] Re: [AVALON] ferry love life? [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] the Ferrys love life! ["Paula Brown" ] Re: [AVALON] the Ferrys love life!...relevance ["The Siren" ] [AVALON] RE: Ferry set list revisions! [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] No Subject [DEAGLERR@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] the Ferrys love life! [f2hb@wanadoo.nl] Re: [AVALON] The upcoming US Tour ["Judy Kaufman" ] [AVALON] US tour setlist [Gal410@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] RE: Ferry set list revisions! [Gal410@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] the Ferrys love life! ["thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] ferry love life? - -----Original Message----- From: kevin To: avalonlist Date: 16 August 2002 20.45 Subject: [AVALON] ferrys love life? >can any body help me . but is bryan ferry and lucy helmore on jerry springer soon? under the title -slave to love? lm on lucys side .......... > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html >US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:30:16 -0500 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] ferry love life? Seems like everyone assumes Ferry's the cad in the breakup and/or that he is who wanted it to end. There is the possibility that it's she who is the cad and/or wanted it to end, isn't there? He doesn't seem particularly cadlike to me. For all we know, Mariella Frostrumpet or whatever her name was may have thrown herself on his person for a photo op and Lucy may be less than saintly. Just a errant thought playing devil's advocate. Please don't slap my hand with a ruler. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 21:25:34 +0100 From: "dark.images" Subject: [AVALON] Return of Jerry?? Well why not,wasn't Bry quick of the starting blocks to offer his shoulder when rubber lips buggered off, just a thought. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:30:35 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [AVALON] ferry love life? Return-path: From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Full-name: Go2Sweeney Message-ID: <16d.1240884a.2a8eb775@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:15:49 EDT Subject: Re: [AVALON] ferry love life? To: lostribe@msn.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10512 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Well, I read the article in the Daily Mail here, and it was an entirely one-sided story from Lucy's point of view, and Bryan was described as a villain. In my experience there's usually two parts to every story, so I've taken the whole article with a pinch of salt, as it was far too biassed. They should at least print the other side (Bryan's) as well, and not be so prejudiced. G. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:37:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: Fwd: [AVALON] ferry love life? On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 Go2Sweeney@aol.com wrote: > biassed. They should at least print the other side (Bryan's) as well, > and not be so prejudiced. Why should anyone feel compelled to print any side? Is this like _Pop Idol_? Do we get to take sides and vote on whose fault it was? Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:45:09 -0400 From: "Heather James" Subject: [AVALON] the Ferrys love life! As Thom said earlier - this is about Bryan's MUSIC - its cheap and tawdry to make comments about his personal life - we really know NOTHING of him or of Lucy - I say, leave them alone. Listen to the music, enjoy the concerts - stay out of their lives. -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com The Roxy Music Archives: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ My Music Trading Lists: http://www.thewebgal.com/trades/ Roxy Music Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/trades/a-list.html Van Morrison Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/trades/van-list.html >-----------------------------------------------------------------------< - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Go2Sweeney@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 4:31 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Fwd: [AVALON] ferry love life? Return-path: From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Full-name: Go2Sweeney Message-ID: <16d.1240884a.2a8eb775@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:15:49 EDT Subject: Re: [AVALON] ferry love life? To: lostribe@msn.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows UK sub 10512 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Well, I read the article in the Daily Mail here, and it was an entirely one-sided story from Lucy's point of view, and Bryan was described as a villain. In my experience there's usually two parts to every story, so I've taken the whole article with a pinch of salt, as it was far too biassed. They should at least print the other side (Bryan's) as well, and not be so prejudiced. G. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:42:30 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] ferry love life? No Colleen, I didn't mean that. I certainly don't think anybody should take votes, I meant if there's a break-up in any marriage or relationship, that it's not usually the fault of just one party, but both parties. G. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:23:58 -0500 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] the Ferrys love life! >this is about Bryan's MUSIC - its cheap and tawdry to make comments about his personal life - we really know NOTHING of him or of Lucy - I say, leave them alone.< I agree there are limits, but Bryan's life is intricately tangled with his music and his image. Good for you if you're able to excise it out with precision. I don't think it's realistic to expect most people to. It is relevant. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:48:17 +0100 From: "The Siren" Subject: Re: [AVALON] the Ferrys love life!...relevance There are many things which influence his music - obviously. some are big and overt (dad, mum, dying, jerry, hamilton, early fame, uppers, downers etc), some are less overt (strong sense of nostalgia and childhood memories of aunts, south coast seaside resorts, cinema in the 60s). But it's all relevant if anyone ever takes an interest in the lyrics...and i know some don't. Reading the daily mail article, which went on about the coke thing, and bf talking about how gear stopped him from being able to remember what happened yesterday - for the first time, really, in print - i suddenly understood a great line from Sign of The Times: bent on a life between the lines. Obvious when you think about it, but it'd been a puzzle to me for years. And there are thousands of other lines and songs, which only make sense (to me at least), when i get more context about the artist himself. Not that i reckon you HAVE to get to the meaning of something (real or imagined) to enjoy a song, but I would be slow to remark that it's irrelevant. R > >this is about Bryan's MUSIC - > its cheap and tawdry to make comments about his personal life - > we really know NOTHING of him or of Lucy - I say, leave them alone.< > > I agree there are limits, but Bryan's life is intricately tangled with his > music and his image. Good for you if you're able to excise it out with > precision. I don't think it's realistic to expect most people to. It is > relevant. > Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:48:32 +0100 From: "The Siren" Subject: Re: [AVALON] the Ferrys love life!...relevance There are many things which influence his music - obviously. some are big and overt (dad, mum, dying, jerry, hamilton, early fame, uppers, downers etc), some are less overt (strong sense of nostalgia and childhood memories of aunts, south coast seaside resorts, cinema in the 60s). But it's all relevant if anyone ever takes an interest in the lyrics...and i know some don't. Reading the daily mail article, which went on about the coke thing, and bf talking about how gear stopped him from being able to remember what happened yesterday - for the first time, really, in print - i suddenly understood a great line from Sign of The Times: bent on a life between the lines. Obvious when you think about it, but it'd been a puzzle to me for years. And there are thousands of other lines and songs, which only make sense (to me at least), when i get more context about the artist himself. Not that i reckon you HAVE to get to the meaning of something (real or imagined) to enjoy a song, but I would be slow to remark that it's irrelevant. R > >this is about Bryan's MUSIC - > its cheap and tawdry to make comments about his personal life - > we really know NOTHING of him or of Lucy - I say, leave them alone.< > > I agree there are limits, but Bryan's life is intricately tangled with his > music and his image. Good for you if you're able to excise it out with > precision. I don't think it's realistic to expect most people to. It is > relevant. > Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:48:29 +0100 From: "The Siren" Subject: Re: [AVALON] the Ferrys love life!...relevance There are many things which influence his music - obviously. some are big and overt (dad, mum, dying, jerry, hamilton, early fame, uppers, downers etc), some are less overt (strong sense of nostalgia and childhood memories of aunts, south coast seaside resorts, cinema in the 60s). But it's all relevant if anyone ever takes an interest in the lyrics...and i know some don't. Reading the daily mail article, which went on about the coke thing, and bf talking about how gear stopped him from being able to remember what happened yesterday - for the first time, really, in print - i suddenly understood a great line from Sign of The Times: bent on a life between the lines. Obvious when you think about it, but it'd been a puzzle to me for years. And there are thousands of other lines and songs, which only make sense (to me at least), when i get more context about the artist himself. Not that i reckon you HAVE to get to the meaning of something (real or imagined) to enjoy a song, but I would be slow to remark that it's irrelevant. R > >this is about Bryan's MUSIC - > its cheap and tawdry to make comments about his personal life - > we really know NOTHING of him or of Lucy - I say, leave them alone.< > > I agree there are limits, but Bryan's life is intricately tangled with his > music and his image. Good for you if you're able to excise it out with > precision. I don't think it's realistic to expect most people to. It is > relevant. > Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:48:38 +0100 From: "The Siren" Subject: Re: [AVALON] the Ferrys love life!...relevance There are many things which influence his music - obviously. some are big and overt (dad, mum, dying, jerry, hamilton, early fame, uppers, downers etc), some are less overt (strong sense of nostalgia and childhood memories of aunts, south coast seaside resorts, cinema in the 60s). But it's all relevant if anyone ever takes an interest in the lyrics...and i know some don't. Reading the daily mail article, which went on about the coke thing, and bf talking about how gear stopped him from being able to remember what happened yesterday - for the first time, really, in print - i suddenly understood a great line from Sign of The Times: bent on a life between the lines. Obvious when you think about it, but it'd been a puzzle to me for years. And there are thousands of other lines and songs, which only make sense (to me at least), when i get more context about the artist himself. Not that i reckon you HAVE to get to the meaning of something (real or imagined) to enjoy a song, but I would be slow to remark that it's irrelevant. R > >this is about Bryan's MUSIC - > its cheap and tawdry to make comments about his personal life - > we really know NOTHING of him or of Lucy - I say, leave them alone.< > > I agree there are limits, but Bryan's life is intricately tangled with his > music and his image. Good for you if you're able to excise it out with > precision. I don't think it's realistic to expect most people to. It is > relevant. > Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:51:03 -0700 From: "David Firmin" Subject: [AVALON] Fw: Chris Spedding pics from last Saturday A few at this link: http://pub42.bravenet.com/photocenter/album.php?album=4363&usernum=3542466064 *** ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:59:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] ferry love life? On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 Go2Sweeney@aol.com wrote: > No Colleen, I didn't mean that. I certainly don't think anybody should > take votes, I meant if there's a break-up in any marriage or > relationship, that it's not usually the fault of just one party, but > both parties. I believe I was being ironic with my comment. I apologize if it was not apparent. And, for what it's worth, I don't think speculation about the breakup of the Ferry's marriage belongs on the list, especially as it would be fueled mostly by ignorance of the situation. I would think we would owe Mr. Ferry that modicum of respect. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:04:48 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] RE: Ferry set list revisions! An amusing story: Apparently Ferry was confronted about the short set list of the recent tour by somebody on his staff. He explained that he wasnt getting any younger, to which the inhumanly brave Team-Ferry member said 'Yeah, but neithers Mick Jagger and he still puts on a big show.' Give that guy an award for bravery! J n/p Elvis (Costello) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:14:32 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] No Subject AY CARUMBA! The list suddenly sounds like a Sorority confab in a girls High-School bathroom. I vote Lucy, I vote Bryan, Sheesh Ms Ferry obviously CHOSE to give the press a PR Blow-job as some sort of... opening salvo, ammo, tool. (?) BF seems to have remained MUM. The only benefit of the list's Jerry Hall speculation is that we might hear Prarie Rose live again. Whatever, you can bet BF will walk out in style. R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 03:39:34 +0200 From: f2hb@wanadoo.nl Subject: Re: [AVALON] the Ferrys love life! At 16:45 16-08-2002 -0400, Heather James wrote: > As Thom said earlier - this is about Bryan's MUSIC - >its cheap and tawdry to make comments about his personal life - >we really know NOTHING of him or of Lucy - I say, leave them alone. > >Listen to the music, enjoy the concerts - stay out of their lives. I'm 100 percent with you here Though music makes him/or he choosed to be, a public person, we love him because of his music in the first place and have nothing to do with his private life. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:44:42 -0500 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The upcoming US Tour Does that mean that a possible reunion with a certain Texas SIREN could be in the works? I think the following will answer that: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynamic/lifestyle/londonlife/top_review.html?in _review_id=666047&in_review_text_id=637665 Judy ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:43:28 -0400 From: "Helen Thorpe" Subject: [AVALON] Anyone else? Is anyone else still waiting for tickets from gigsandtours.com? I still haven't received tickets for the second Newcastle show. I'm on the verge of making an expensive (business hours) transatlantic phone call to see what's up. I keep getting automated response when I email a "where the heck..." letter. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:10:35 EDT From: Gal410@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] US tour setlist Hi Everyone, I'm back on this board after 2 years, with an occasional lurk here and there! Is anyone going to the NY show at the Beacon? I have my upfront and center tix. Would like to see him perform songs from Frantic. Does anyone know the setlist, or happen to know what songs from Frantic he will be doing? Heidi ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:17:26 EDT From: Gal410@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: Ferry set list revisions! In a message dated 8/16/02 6:05:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KWil632057@aol.com writes: > An amusing story: > > Apparently Ferry was confronted about the short set list of > the recent tour by somebody on his staff. He explained that he wasnt > getting > any younger, to which the inhumanly brave Team-Ferry member said 'Yeah, but > > neithers Mick Jagger and he still puts on a big show.' Give that guy an > award for bravery! > That is amusing! Where did you hear this story? I hope BF listened to the (brave) staff member. Roger Daltrey and Pete Townsend (and the late John Entwistle) also come to mind when reading this. Heidi ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 09:05:46 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] the Ferrys love life! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paula Brown" To: ; Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] the Ferrys love life! > I agree there are limits, but Bryan's life is intricately tangled with his > music and his image. Good for you if you're able to excise it out with > precision. Precision, come on Paula shouldn't that read as "ill informed gossip"? If the people involved want to put stuff in to print that is their right as it is their lives after all, just as it our right to then either read it or not. However it is not your or anybody else's right to make wild guesses about anything to do with their lives let alone put it in print and post it into the homes of the people on this list. Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html US ticket sale info: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ (updated weekly) ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #275 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest