From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #263 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, August 5 2002 Volume 07 : Number 263 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Otis, Oh dear...Just when you thought it was safe... ["Dunca] [AVALON] SOTW: "Could It Happen To Me" [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] a note to web board moderators [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] a note to web board moderators [David Firmin ] RE: [AVALON] a note to web board moderators ["Heather James" ] Re: [AVALON] new member [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] records for otis [f2hb@wanadoo.nl] Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Could It Happen To Me" [Colleen Matan ] Re:[AVALON] new member ["thom.wallace" ] Fwd: FW: [AVALON] Otis ..... ["Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Otis, Oh dear...Just when you thought it was safe... Mr Ferry, whose father is the former lead singer of Roxy Music, joined the Middleton Hunt in Yorkshire two years ago as the second whipper-in, looking after 100 hounds. I know Middleton quite well and visit regularly, twice I've seen someone who looked 'familiar'. In fact... 'There's a guy works down the chip shop swears he's Otis'! Duncan. ______________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 09:35:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] SOTW: "Could It Happen To Me" The song of the what/whenever is "Could It Happen To Me" from _Siren_. As before the discussion is open to anything related to the song, and these are only suggestions: love it? hate it? lyrics/music it changed my life live vs. studio version(s) (if applicable) the video (if any) that reminds me... Could It Happen To Me (Ferry) Do you know what it means to me to delight in your company? Could it happen to me? Do you know what I'm certain of? I would love to fall in love Could it happen to me? Hey won't you look at me? Now I'm cracked wide open I can't conceal my all-over trembling I'm acting strange And while you're out of reach I never change God knows I'm beside myself If a tear's a crime, then I must confess my guilty secret, I'm not ashamed Take me as I am, an average man Oh boy is it getting rough when my old world charm isn't quite enough? I'd throw you cantos, I'd jazz 'em up When I lay me down, you don't pick up What's more, it's a crying shame Only this time no one but myself to blame All I touch turns to dust It's right there in my cards, I ought to cut Let us sing of the tortured heart And a lonely soul in this world apart As he plays a fear, takes a little pain And move our separate ways again Is it easy to say "I do"? At this moment I love you See beyond me, it's true Now that evening is closing in Should I light that fire again? Could it happen to me? Did it happen to you? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 12:57:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] a note to web board moderators One of you knows darn well that I posted a correction to your usual railing against the Avalon list, one of you knows that you deleted it almost immediately, and one of you knows that you that you then took the very cowardly--but hardly surprising--route of closing the board to anyone who didn't have a password. What exactly is it about the truth that scares you so that you must scurry back under the rock? Hmmmmm? As a contrast, the Avalon mailing list remains open to anyone who wants to join, and its archive are free for anyone to read. You se, we have nothing to hide. As you were. Colleen (very angry about this) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 10:12:59 -0700 (PDT) From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] a note to web board moderators It has nothing to do with you. There was a lot of arguing going on. This has escalated over the last few days. I removed all the offensive posts. Unfortunately, it also took out all the replies. Rather than delete the whole board. I put up a password, until everything cools down. Thank you, David Colleen Matan wrote: One of you knows darn well that I posted a correction to your usual railing against the Avalon list, one of you knows that you deleted it almost immediately, and one of you knows that you that you then took the very cowardly--but hardly surprising--route of closing the board to anyone who didn't have a password. What exactly is it about the truth that scares you so that you must scurry back under the rock? Hmmmmm? As a contrast, the Avalon mailing list remains open to anyone who wants to join, and its archive are free for anyone to read. You se, we have nothing to hide. As you were. Colleen (very angry about this) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:15:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Could It Happen To Me" (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:16:07 +0100 From: Philip Adams To: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Could It Happen To Me" Ferry's lyrics and Mackay's saxophone make this one of the highlights of Siren. Then, as now , I yearn for Ferry's other world, in which that lonely , nervous , shy soul searches for love. The last verse, in particular, conjures up a vison of the narrator , a poet , stranded in his house, perhaps set on some moor or within a dark forest , watching the flames of his newly set fire flickering into life and musing about his affair. Is this the only Ferry lyric where he says " I love you"? Philip > The song of the what/whenever is "Could It Happen To Me" from _Siren_. > > As before the discussion is open to anything related to the song, and > these are only suggestions: > > love it? hate it? > lyrics/music > it changed my life > live vs. studio version(s) (if applicable) > the video (if any) > that reminds me... > > Could It Happen To Me (Ferry) > > Do you know what it means to me > to delight in your company? > Could it happen to me? > Do you know what I'm certain of? > I would love to fall in love > Could it happen to me? > > Hey won't you look at me? > Now I'm cracked wide open > I can't conceal > my all-over trembling > I'm acting strange > And while you're out of reach > I never change > > God knows I'm beside myself > If a tear's a crime, then I must confess > my guilty secret, I'm not ashamed > Take me as I am, an average man > > Oh boy is it getting rough > when my old world charm isn't quite enough? > I'd throw you cantos, I'd jazz 'em up > When I lay me down, you don't pick up > > What's more, it's a crying shame > Only this time no one but myself to blame > All I touch turns to dust > It's right there in my cards, I ought to cut > > Let us sing of the tortured heart > And a lonely soul in this world apart > As he plays a fear, takes a little pain > And move our separate ways again > > Is it easy to say "I do"? > At this moment I love you > See beyond me, it's true > Now that evening is closing in > Should I light that fire again? > Could it happen to me? > Did it happen to you? > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:17:11 +0100 From: "Philip Adams" Subject: Fw: [AVALON] SOTW: "Could It Happen To Me" Ferry's lyrics and Mackay's saxophone make this one of the highlights of Siren. Then, as now , I yearn for Ferry's other world, in which that lonely , nervous , shy soul searches for love. The last verse, in particular, conjures up a vison of the narrator , a poet , stranded in his house, perhaps set on some moor or within a dark forest , watching the flames of his newly set fire flickering into life and musing about his affair. Is this the only Ferry lyric where he says " I love you"? Philip > > > > The song of the what/whenever is "Could It Happen To Me" from _Siren_. > > > > As before the discussion is open to anything related to the song, and > > these are only suggestions: > > > > love it? hate it? > > lyrics/music > > it changed my life > > live vs. studio version(s) (if applicable) > > the video (if any) > > that reminds me... > > > > Could It Happen To Me (Ferry) > > > > Do you know what it means to me > > to delight in your company? > > Could it happen to me? > > Do you know what I'm certain of? > > I would love to fall in love > > Could it happen to me? > > > > Hey won't you look at me? > > Now I'm cracked wide open > > I can't conceal > > my all-over trembling > > I'm acting strange > > And while you're out of reach > > I never change > > > > God knows I'm beside myself > > If a tear's a crime, then I must confess > > my guilty secret, I'm not ashamed > > Take me as I am, an average man > > > > Oh boy is it getting rough > > when my old world charm isn't quite enough? > > I'd throw you cantos, I'd jazz 'em up > > When I lay me down, you don't pick up > > > > What's more, it's a crying shame > > Only this time no one but myself to blame > > All I touch turns to dust > > It's right there in my cards, I ought to cut > > > > Let us sing of the tortured heart > > And a lonely soul in this world apart > > As he plays a fear, takes a little pain > > And move our separate ways again > > > > Is it easy to say "I do"? > > At this moment I love you > > See beyond me, it's true > > Now that evening is closing in > > Should I light that fire again? > > Could it happen to me? > > Did it happen to you? > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:35:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] a note to web board moderators On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, David Firmin wrote: > It has nothing to do with you. There was a lot of arguing going on. This > has escalated over the last few days. I removed all the offensive posts. > Unfortunately, it also took out all the replies. Rather than delete the > whole board. I put up a password, until everything cools down. Great. Then you can email me the password at cjem@his.com. Thanks, Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:01:54 -0400 From: "Heather James" Subject: RE: [AVALON] a note to web board moderators Can you all take this enlightening discussion to private mail, or is there some reason we all need to witness it? -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com The Roxy Music Archives: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ My Music Trading Lists: http://www.thewebgal.com/trades/ Roxy Music Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/trades/a-list.html Van Morrison Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/trades/van-list.html >-----------------------------------------------------------------------< - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Colleen Matan Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 1:36 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] a note to web board moderators On Sun, 4 Aug 2002, David Firmin wrote: > It has nothing to do with you. There was a lot of arguing going on. This > has escalated over the last few days. I removed all the offensive posts. > Unfortunately, it also took out all the replies. Rather than delete the > whole board. I put up a password, until everything cools down. Great. Then you can email me the password at cjem@his.com. Thanks, Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:19:16 +0100 From: "Rachel Smither" Subject: Re: [AVALON] records for otis - -----Original Message----- From: kevin To: avalon@smoe.org Date: 04 August 2002 20.09 Subject: Re: [AVALON] records for otis >----- Original Message ----- >From: "martin parker" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 26, 1904 6:04 AM >Subject: [AVALON] Reflections......... > > >> after reading all about otis i thought has bryans songs been written about his 2 sons . > .if it takes all night . shame,shame,shame you wont see me . hold on lm coming. runing wild. in the midnight hour which way to turn. goin down. but there again is the special service had shot him bryan could have released jealous guy. [before you all start its a joke]. > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:28:13 EDT From: Alanandalyj@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] new member as a new member i find it a bit disheartening to find people moaning about set lists and the quality of bryan ferrys voice at the age of 55 and also calling him ferry have some respect for a man and a band who have been a major influence on british music in the last 30 years. my favourite album by roxy is siren and favourite bryan ferry album taxi best 2 all time songs if pushed dance away and both ends burning and bryans immaculate version of will you still love me tomorrow with a fantasticilly erotic video with anna nicole smith. having seen bryan at castle howard 2 years ago on the as time goes by tour which was fantastic were stand out tracks were carrickfergus and out of the blue and the roxy reunion tour last year at sheffield the band and bryan were first class. does anyone else realise what an underated album sign of the times is. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 20:49:23 +0100 From: "dark.images" Subject: RE: [AVALON] new member "Sign of the times"??? Yeah very underrated. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Alanandalyj@aol.com Sent: 04 August 2002 20:28 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] new member as a new member i find it a bit disheartening to find people moaning about set lists and the quality of bryan ferrys voice at the age of 55 and also calling him ferry have some respect for a man and a band who have been a major influence on british music in the last 30 years. my favourite album by roxy is siren and favourite bryan ferry album taxi best 2 all time songs if pushed dance away and both ends burning and bryans immaculate version of will you still love me tomorrow with a fantasticilly erotic video with anna nicole smith. having seen bryan at castle howard 2 years ago on the as time goes by tour which was fantastic were stand out tracks were carrickfergus and out of the blue and the roxy reunion tour last year at sheffield the band and bryan were first class. does anyone else realise what an underated album sign of the times is. ________________________________________________________________________ ___ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:50:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] new member On Sun, 4 Aug 2002 Alanandalyj@aol.com wrote: > as a new member i find it a bit disheartening to find people moaning > about set lists and the quality of bryan ferrys voice at the age of 55 > and also calling him ferry have some respect for a man and a band who > have been a major influence on british music in the last 30 years. my Welcome to the list. You will find that a wide diversity of opinion about Bryan's work is not only present on Avalon, but encouraged, so you shoul steel yourself now. If folks are disappointed about a show or an album or a song, they are completely within in the rights to be honest. The converse--the chance to praise his work, etc.--also holds true. You also may wish to spend more than just a few days reading the list before you jump to conclusions. If you are talking about Jocelyn's post about his performance in Rome last week, as she's someone who has had the chance to catch a great deal of his shows, both as a solo artist and with Roxy, I think her opinion as to the quality of his voice for that one night is neither indiscreet nor inappropriate. Quite the contrary, in fact, and I for one am always happy to read her posts and her commentary. > first class. does anyone else realise what an underated album sign of > the times is. Is this a bootleg? Can you share the track listing with us? Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 01:55:58 +0200 From: f2hb@wanadoo.nl Subject: Re: [AVALON] records for otis Perhaps Otis should start his own covers of these songs with his own new band. A possible name came up: FOXY MUSIC... At 20:19 04-08-2002 +0100, Rachel Smither wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: kevin >To: avalon@smoe.org >Date: 04 August 2002 20.09 >Subject: Re: [AVALON] records for otis >>> after reading all about otis i thought has bryans songs been written >about his 2 sons . >> >.if it takes all night . >shame,shame,shame >you wont see me . >hold on lm coming. >runing wild. >in the midnight hour >which way to turn. >goin down. >but there again is the special service had shot him bryan could have >released jealous guy. >[before you all start its a joke]. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 21:35:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Could It Happen To Me" I love all of _Siren_. It's easily my favorite Roxy Music album, and one of my favorite albums of all time. I loved it even before I was old enough to really understand it, and now that I am old enough to understand it, well, it's a strange form of comfort at times. I'd make the case that _Siren_ is the most direct and personal (which is not the same as autobiographical) of any of Ferry's work, either with Roxy or on his own. It's immediate and heartfelt. Most important, it rings true. One of the most delicious parts of falling in love are those excruciatingly wonderful moments just before you find out for certain how the other person feels. I always say, when I am asked about my fetishes (ha! You'd be surprised at the questions otherwise buttoned-up gentlemen feel comfortable in asking buttoned-up me) that one of them is anticipation. I love those moments before something happens, when you can imagine all the ways they might unfold. And then when they do unfold, well, there's nothing like it. Ferry's narrator, sitting home in his own anticipatory state > Is it easy to say "I do"? > At this moment I love you > See beyond me, it's true > Now that evening is closing in > Should I light that fire again? > Could it happen to me? > Did it happen to you? knows how it feels. He's transparent, and Ferry will later sing "I wear my heart on my sleeve." I know how it feels. Once I had a great unrequited love, or so I thought it was. Then one day, out of the blue, my own fireside anticipation came true, and in a way far sweeter and stronger than I had dared imagine except deep in the recesses of my heart. I know it could happen to me, because it did happen to me. I hope you all get to say it happened to you as well. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 02:48:15 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re:[AVALON] new member - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 8:28 PM Subject: [AVALON] new member > as a new member i find it a bit disheartening to find people moaning about > set lists and the quality of bryan ferrys voice at the age of 55 and also > calling him ferry have some respect for a man > does anyone else realise what an underated album sign of > the times is. So do we now have to call him the artiste formally known as Ferry? Welcome to the list, Tom. You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2002 07:25:09 +0000 From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: Fwd: FW: [AVALON] Otis ..... Rob I think the Blair tennis etc was mentioned in Uncut (Is it "20 Questions"? Or something like that?)at the time of ATGB. Regards Andrew > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rob Whiteford [mailto:robert@rwhiteford.freeserve.co.uk] >Sent: 03 August 2002 17:20 >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Otis ..... > > >Is on page 23 of the Daily Mail and the front page of the telegraph. > >According to an article I can't place Bryan and Dave Stewart played against >Tony Blair and Rory Bremner at tennis in France once so whatever the rights >and wrongs I can't see Ferry senior being too pleased with this one > >Glad to see a better setlist from Switzerland... what about Cruel and I >thought - far too good to leave out. > > >Rob > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html > > >_________________________________________________________ >This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the >individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are >solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of >SchlumbergerSema. >If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received >this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, >or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. > >If you have received this email in error please notify the >SchlumbergerSema Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600. >_________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 03:42:11 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] "Could It Happen To Me" >The last verse, in particular, conjures up a vison of the narrator , a poet , stranded in his house, perhaps set on some moor or within a dark forest , watching the flames of his newly set fire flickering into life and musing about his affair. >Is this the only Ferry lyric where he says " I love you"? He (the singer) doesn't say "I love you", he says "AT THIS MOMENT, I love you" "SEEMS beyond me, it's true" He's not being sincere. He's Certain he'd love to fall in love. it probably won't work out this time either. The singer could be the Casanova BF badmouths in THAT song Vintage Ferry, Jaded roui looking for the more innocent past. Nothing's works to dispell the ennui anymore, not even his old world charm, It's a Search for Lost Time to litterally translate the Proust title. (Rememberance of Things Past") The "Seen it, Done it" attitude is a theme for a lot of Siren. IE: Just Another High, & naturally Love is the Drug R Deagle ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 04:00:47 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Horoscope Can't find a track listing for the urban myth that is Horoscope. Can anyone oblige? Best wishes Richard Mills ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #263 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest