From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #262 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, August 4 2002 Volume 07 : Number 262 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Reflections......... ["martin parker" ] Re: [AVALON] Reflections......... ["thom.wallace" ] Re: [AVALON] Otis, Oh dear...Just when you thought it was safe... [Collee] Re: [AVALON] Otis, Oh dear...Just when you thought it was safe... ["Paula] Re: [AVALON] Reflections......... ["tmoq" ] [AVALON] You got me girl on the run round,run round... [Navin1Verma@aol.c] Re: [AVALON] Shrinking setlist/Future shows. ( Longish post) ["mark shana] Re: [AVALON] Reflections......... ["Paula Brown" ] Re: [AVALON] Reflections......... ["mark shanahan" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1904 11:04:05 +0100 From: "martin parker" Subject: [AVALON] Reflections......... Such a shame that there's such an air of disappointment on the site when last year there was a palpable buzz. Does anyone have any inside info as to why Bryan seems so keen to stick with the old set-list and abbreviated format? We can't see into someone else's mind but most of us, surely, if we had a good little band, a great back catalogue and a world tour arranged, would want to surprise the audience and interest ourselves by mixing it up. I can't believe that they just can't be bothered to learn some more songs. After Edinburgh and Liverpool I'm not looking forward to the remaining 6 gigs I was rash enough to book for. They're just getting boring! So here's my recipe for a revival of excitement on the site and in the venues.........swap the mouldy old set for the following: The In-Crowd Baby I Don't Care It's My Party Piece of My Heart Sentimental Fool Beauty Queen Strictly Confidential Grey Lagoons All I Want Is You Amazona Prairie Rose Love Me Madly Again Limbo Your Painted Smile 2HB Bitters End (Encores) Serenade Sunset What do you think? Anyone agree? You never know, Bryan may read this and surprise us! Martin. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:52:56 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Reflections......... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "martin parker" To: Sent: Friday, August 26, 1904 11:04 AM Subject: [AVALON] Reflections......... > What do you think? Anyone agree? You never know, Bryan may read this and > surprise us! > Martin. He may well do Martin. Then again I might winthe lottery jackpot for the next six weeks in a row. Cheers, Tom. You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:06:08 +0200 From: f2hb@wanadoo.nl Subject: Re: [AVALON] Otis, Oh dear...Just when you thought it was safe... This news was on the Belgian radio too, today At 03:59 03-08-2002 -0400, Chandla911@aol.com wrote: >Bryan Ferry's son held at Blair's home >By Laura Peek > >BRYAN FERRYbS 19-year-old son was arrested by armed police outside Tony >Blairb >s constituency home in the middle of the night where he was intending to pin >up pro-hunting posters. [snip] ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:20:10 +0100 From: "Rob Whiteford" Subject: [AVALON] Otis ..... Is on page 23 of the Daily Mail and the front page of the telegraph. According to an article I can't place Bryan and Dave Stewart played against Tony Blair and Rory Bremner at tennis in France once so whatever the rights and wrongs I can't see Ferry senior being too pleased with this one Glad to see a better setlist from Switzerland... what about Cruel and I thought - far too good to leave out. Rob ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:30:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Otis, Oh dear...Just when you thought it was safe... The article says: > He said yesterday: 'I had seen on the news that pro-hunting protesters > had been targeting MP's homes and thought you couldn't get better than > Tony Blair's home. I found out where he lived and drove there, not > expecting to be arrested. There were no keep out signs and the gates > opened when I walked up to them.' There's something quite charming about his naivete. Are we sure he's really Bryan's son? From Richard: > Former??? Sad that he's STILL passionate about hunting, though... But not surprising. After all, persecution only reinforces zealotry. Why just look at us and Mr. Ferry's ever-centripetal setlist. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:17:30 -0500 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Otis, Oh dear...Just when you thought it was safe... From: Colleen Matan > Former??? Sad that he's STILL passionate about hunting, though... >But not surprising. After all, persecution only reinforces zealotry. Why just look at us and Mr. Ferry's ever-centripetal setlist. Colleen< Yes, it creates martyrs. Well, now that I know the Ferrys truly are activists, I will have to be less sympathetic when they are attacked by activists. They're in the game. They know how it works. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:01:29 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Reflections......... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "martin parker" To: Sent: Friday, August 26, 1904 6:04 AM Subject: [AVALON] Reflections......... > Such a shame that there's such an air of disappointment on the site when > last year there was a palpable buzz. Does anyone have any inside info as to > why Bryan seems so keen to stick with the old set-list and abbreviated > format? I`m probably way off here, but I do recall a similar incident concerning Ian Hunter some years ago as he toured with a new album. As I remember it from a now defunct Mott mail list, Hunter was so fed up with all of the audience recordings that popped up after the first few gigs that he pretty much dropped all of the new material for the rest of that tour. Could it be that Mr. Ferry is taking a similar stance? Like I said, I`m probably way off here, but........... Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:13:44 EDT From: Navin1Verma@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] You got me girl on the run round,run round... Hello all! New to the list, and eager to have some questions answered! 1. On "For Your Pleasure"(the track!) the voice at the end that says "Don't ask why" is apparently Dame Judi Dench - can anyone confirm this?! 2. I have live recording's of "Virginia Plain","Chance Meeting" and "ReMake/Remodel" from 1972 listed as BBC live. Anyone know the date or the venue(think they may be Paris theatre,London or Golders Green Hippodrome! - if Simon Galloway is out there, I think u may know the answers to both questions!) Cheers! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:05:21 -0700 From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Shrinking setlist/Future shows. ( Longish post) _______________________________________________________________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <-----Original Message-----> >From: thom.wallace >----- Original Message ----- >From: "mark shanahan" > i'm sorry, thom ... how you can equate musical quality (or quality of > any kind) by a quantitative measure is truly beyond me. >When I fork out cash for a concert ticket Mark I expect a certain quantity >and quality for my cash. In Edinburgh on July 1st the set was ok for >content, but suffered on quality because of the fact that songs are being >played way too fast. Having listened to recordings of other shows I'm glad >that I didn't put out the extra cash to attend as not only has the content >shrunk, but the quality has not risen either, in fact I would say that in >some cases it has declined. aye ... you're quite correct there thom. indeed, it's (as of right now) not too promising (re: the setlist) in terms of quality - and variety i dare say. i understand that cash can be very well considered to be hard-earned and i meant no offense in that vein. perhaps i was a bit off the mark ... apologies. i get what you're saying. ferry's the one of the few artists where i would buy tickets blindly. however, muliiple shows on this leg of the tour could be a big disappointment. i have to say that, although i am VERY disappointed with the setlist myself, i've heard belfast and they were very tight as a band in terms of sound. however, having said that ... 'both ends burning', for example, was *SO* uptempo i was sure the band had a plane to catch as soon as the number ended. truly, truly _bizarre_. what IS going on after all??? in spite of all of this ... i'm feeling quite incredulous that ferry & co. will be playing my hometown here in ann arbor, mi. the acoustics might be better, but i was actually hoping he'd play the fox theatre in detroit once again (or the opera house). but - you won't catch me complaining about that aspect of the tour. god, i could _walk_ to the show if i had to ...! peaces/ms ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:30:08 -0500 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Reflections......... That's an intriguing thought. Paula I`m probably way off here, but I do recall a similar incident concerning Ian Hunter some years ago as he toured with a new album. As I remember it from a now defunct Mott mail list, Hunter was so fed up with all of the audience recordings that popped up after the first few gigs that he pretty much dropped all of the new material for the rest of that tour. Could it be that Mr. Ferry is taking a similar stance? Like I said, I`m probably way off here, but........... Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 17:24:27 -0700 From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Reflections......... _______________________________________________________________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <-----Original Message-----> >From: tmoq >----- Original Message ----- >From: "martin parker" > > Such a shame that there's such an air of disappointment on the site when > last year there was a palpable buzz. Does anyone have any inside info as > to why Bryan seems so keen to stick with the old set-list and abbreviated > format? > >I`m probably way off here, but I do recall a similar incident concerning Ian >Hunter some years ago as he toured with a new album. As I remember it from a >now defunct Mott mail list, Hunter was so fed up with all of the audience >recordings that popped up after the first few gigs that he pretty much >dropped all of the new material for the rest of that tour. >Could it be that Mr. Ferry is taking a similar stance? >Like I said, I`m probably way off here, but........... my first thought is that martin's point does ring true. however, i would still like to echo what many others have said here. namely, that the general feeling is that once the 'indoor venue' leg of the FRANTIC tour is underway, the setlist will change for the better. will we really hear 'strictly confidential', 'alphaville'-versions of FRANTIC songs and stuff like 'your application's failed'? somehow, i just don't think so. but never say never. but if ferry's setlist is due to fan recordings of his shows ... well, then - sorry, but he's a _baby_ (also someone not living in reality). i personally wouldn't attribute that to mr. ferry, but as gene says ...? someone list-wise did mention that he tore up one of his passport photos once because he didn't like the way he looked. hmmm ... actually, that sounds like something i would probably do ... anyway -- who knows? he may be _cancelling_ the tour just to straighten his kids out. but maybe he *could* wait until he plays 'strictly confidential' here in ann arbor, mi - oh, and a good portion of 'iym' (the album) and 'mamouna' (ditto). and now that i've broken the golden rule of not posting more than once in one day (good rule, btw), i bid you all sayonara. peaces/tokyo joe p.s. to mr. ferry & mr. _lawn_: we'd all like to get the ROXY DVD of last year's tour here in the states now. they _did_ play here, you know ... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 20:50:46 EDT From: DEAGLERR@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Miss Otis Regrets... << thought you couldn't get better than Tony Blair's home. I found out where he lived and drove there, not expecting to be arrested. >> Good thing he's in the UK, Bush's guards probably would have bazooka'd him. Activism is a good thing but, wish Ferry Jr. had a cause I agrree with. The kid's still yong enough to grow out of it, Go to Tibet, become a drug dealer, marry royalty, take up macrame,..... At least he's not E-mailing anti-hunt folks anymore, I suppose. "I was scared & called the police cause he called me cunt" I can see this escalating & Otis in stir with Dad's harmonica. Payin' dues, playin' the blues. R Deagle NP/ "Beat It" /The Vienna Boys Chior Sings the Michael Jackson Songbook ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 22:03:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] back by popular demand--SOTW: "I Thought" Somehow I never get around to participating in this thread anymore. So here goes: I love this song! OK, now that that's out of the way. When I heard the Ferry and Eno had written a song together for this album, my first reaction was something akin to dread. I did not like what Mr. Eno had done to the tracks he'd dabbled in on _Mamouna_, and I was expecting more of the same. Was I ever wrong! I like _Frantic_ quite a bit (and still--I put it on today and am still enjoying it), and I think there are a few very fine songs on it. But none of them come close to "I Thought". What I like best about it, at least for right now, is the depth of sound it has. It's quite a shock, after hearing the layers of the previous songs, to realize how sonically (well, at least for starters) shallow they are in comparison to "I Thought." It's as if all of the walls have been moved back. It's really stunning. Christian wrote: > Well, that would be four guitars at least. Colin Good contributes his > finest piano work on 'Frantic' (assuming the piano was played by him), The booklet credits Ferry, Eno, and Good, but everything about it--the harmonics, the rhythm, the feeling behind it--hint to me that it isn't Mr. Good on that piano line. I love the lyrics too. Too often as of late Mr. Ferry's lyrics are mere fluff, something you could create by going to the Random Poetry Generator. On "I Thought" it seems as if he is making the effort, and to great effect. They're dark and sad without being maudlin or forced, and I especially like the rueful verse: > I thought > I'd find you walking in the rain > Just like a wayward child > I thought > I'd find you calling out my name especially the way he phrases > So foolish is my pride This hopefulness tinged with, and then turned to, heartbreak gets me every time. Every time. Someone once wrote something along the lines that Ferry is the poster child for unrequited love. I think he's written his masterpiece in that genre with "I Thought." Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 22:39:23 -0400 From: "Strimples" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Reflections.... we'd all like to get the ROXY DVD I have a copy of the audio. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #262 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest