From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #253 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, July 26 2002 Volume 07 : Number 253 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Bowie failures [Chandla911@aol.com] [AVALON] Previous set lists [OBrienFerry@aol.com] [AVALON] Goodnight Irene & My Only Love Added [OBrienFerry@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Jaguaro.org Features ["Tracy Connell" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Lyrics ( Adult language follows) ["Tim Kendrick" ] [AVALON] Two albums [Go2Sweeney@aol.com] [AVALON] Ferry and Goodwood ["Paul Bodine" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Bowie comparison [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] what TWO albums can you not live without ["Tracy Connell" ] [AVALON] what TWO albums can you not live without [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] what TWO albums can you not live without ["notdixon" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry and Goodwood ["David Firmin" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Lyrics ( Adult language follows) ["Mark Yates" ] Re: [AVALON] What did Eno do? ["Mark Yates" ] [AVALON] 2 albums ["Tim Kendrick" ] Re: [AVALON] 2 albums ["Mark Yates" ] [AVALON] 2 albums [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] What did Eno do? [KWil632057@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 04:14:46 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Bowie failures >Anyway, I deeply respect anyone's preference for Bowie! But I think it can >be traced back to personal preference why for some people Bowie's failures >are 'interesting' and Ferry's failures just failures. >Remember 'Dancing In the Street'? Especially the video!! Tell you what I do remember. At Live Aid, having waited for Bowie since Bryan Ferry's set for something to happen (OK, U2), Bowie sacrificed a song from his set to have the video of DITS shown (to replace the intended synchronous duet across the Atlantic with Jagger -doh!). I was disappointed to learn we would lose a song, but that video was such a success. The moments of humour managed to translate across the whole stadium and is the main reason the single went straight to number one on its release. Best wishes Richard Mills n/p Pet Shop Boys - Release ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 06:29:06 -0400 From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Previous set lists Previous set lists can be found here http://www.vivaroxymusic.com:8080/roxy/tour_list J.O'B. <<<>>> ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 07:07:28 -0400 From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Goodnight Irene & My Only Love Added Goodnight Irene & My Only Love have been added to the Frantic tour set list. 20 songs were played at the Zurich show last night. The full set list and a short review can be found at vivaroxymusic.com J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:15:25 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jaguaro.org Features Thanks for that link Keith. I only own one of those albums: Elvis Presley - From Elvis In Memphis. And, obviously, I disagree what they say about it on that site. It's great they Ferry/Roxy have escaped it. Tracy >From: "Keith Shockley" >To: >Subject: [AVALON] Jaguaro.org Features >Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 01:52:09 -0700 > >The link below takes you to an article about the 100 albums you should = >throw away if you have. Great news though! You can keep all of your Roxy = >and Ferry material.................Keith > > http://www.jaguaro.org/feature/03-09-02_wesk2.shtml > >[demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which >had a name of Jaguaro.org Features.url] > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html > visit my websites: http://www.jamesmason.ic24.net http://www.roxyferry.ic24.net _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 07:48:52 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Lyrics ( Adult language follows) >> No he's not, he's a romantic. > >From Lou Reed: > >Hey that cunt's not breathing, I think she's had too much of something or >other, you know what I mean? >I don't mean to scare you, but you're the one who came here and you're the >one who's got to take her when you leave. > etc. etc. Yes, but by sentimentality i don't mean Disney goo. i think it's possible to be sentimental in any number of ways, and I think, for example, lots of American culture, the highbrow stuff included, inclines to sentimentality about violence.It's embedded in the culture. The obscenity of Irish Americans sending off checks for the murder of Irishmen and Englishmen is an example of a gross sentimentality which leads to the very unsentimental reality of lots and lots of spilt blood. English culture is utterly sentimental about 'class'. ( Everything in Britain remains about class, to this day.) I don't mean by that nostalgia for Country Life. I mean the shoddy, coarse tabloid culture. All nasty, pure sentimentality. So it's in that sense that I refer to Reed as a 'sentimentalist.' But it may seem I don't like him - i didn't say that. and it's not so. I like the Velvet Underground, and some of his solo stuff. NEW YORK, for example. But I find his darkness too romanticised in the way i've tried toe expalion, too iconic if youn will, to trust it as 'tealism.' Grit can be sentimental too.The word 'cunt' doensn't necessarily mean absolute truth is at hand! Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:08:56 +0100 From: "Christian H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bowie failures - ---------- >Von: Chandla911@aol.com >An: avalon@smoe.org >Betreff: [AVALON] Bowie failures >Datum: Fre, 26. Jul 2002 9:14 Uhr > >>Anyway, I deeply respect anyone's preference for Bowie! But I think it can >>be traced back to personal preference why for some people Bowie's failures >>are 'interesting' and Ferry's failures just failures. >>Remember 'Dancing In the Street'? Especially the video!! > >Tell you what I do remember. At Live Aid, having waited for Bowie since Bryan >Ferry's set for something to happen (OK, U2), Bowie sacrificed a song from >his set to have the video of DITS shown (to replace the intended synchronous >duet across the Atlantic with Jagger -doh!). I was disappointed to learn we >would lose a song, but that video was such a success. The moments of humour >managed to translate across the whole stadium and is the main reason the >single went straight to number one on its release. > For me, it didn't come across that well on TV, though. As far as I know, Bowie has been very critical of this phase in his career, over-critical I would say. But is it so great if the supposed humourous video is the main reason for a No. 1 hit, rather than the quality of the music (though this market strategy is often applied nowadyays)? I really prefer Fred Frith's version (which has also been released as a single) - that was funny. Back in the 80s, people like Bowie and Ferry weren't always secure in choosing their images for the videos. I seem to remember Bryan wearing some kind of frog-coloured suit, or the strange outfit in the 'More Than This' video. Still, it cannot spoil a great song. CHS ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:12:48 EDT From: InterEireann@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jaguaro.org Features. Best of The Doors..on the list..bollocks...However, saints be praised..Grateful Dead..all recordings..yes..I have always thought people took the drugs so as to be able to listen to that crap!! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:18:06 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] solo stelists (was Belvoir Castle) > now i wonder how this also figures for what # of new songs were played > on the various roxy tours. anyone? > > peaces/ms There are people better than me to advise on this, but the album which most tracks were played from on their supporting tour was "Country Life", I believe they performed 8 out of 10 of the CL tracks the exceptions being Triptych & A Really Good Time (this was played on later tours). Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:25:13 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] What Should Ferry Be Doing? What Ever He Wants! "But, look, I'm really interested in what those who dislike FRANTIC think Ferry SHOULD be doing. This is not to provoke - - I'm curious." Tim, your question is directly to the heart of a post I wrote last week but did not send. I believe your question is more universal, pertaining not only to "those who dislike FRANTIC", but including every fan regardless of how they feel about "Frantic". Note: I do not dislike "Frantic". If you are inclined, please read below, a copy of my unsent post: SUBJECT: In principle, I submit examples. I conclude - BODY: In principal: Ferry is largely in charge of his own destiny. He is ultimately responsible for the decisive tactics that have been made in the progression of his career, therefore, he must shoulder full responsibility for the ramifications of these decisions. He is at liberty to listen to other people's advice and consultation, and he is at liberty to accept or reject such input. No one knows 'who' Bryan Ferry 'is'. We may only interject our speculations and offer our personal hypotheses with regard to Bryan Ferry's motivations and needs, his rationalizations of events and state of mind. I submit: It was Mr. Ferry's desire to 'become' what he is today. Emerging from an underprivileged childhood, he saw celebrity as a means of breaking into the 'upper' classes. He propelled himself toward fame with forceful persistence and an ideal firmly envisioned within, without little formal training but maximizing his natural talent through hard work. Ferry is a 'self made' man. His life a 'self fulfilling' adventure. It was Mr. Ferry who decided to form 'Roxy Music", he decided to invent his solo career, he decided to become a semi tragic figure manifest within the Jerry Hall debacle. He also decided to 'marry -up'. He has decided who he will work with, and under what conditions he will do so. His involvement in professional projects, whether micro managing them or seemingly giving up aspects of control for others to manage, was and still is his prerogative. The only person in any position who may rightfully express dissatisfaction with Bryan Ferry's work, or the course of his career, is none other than Mr. Ferry. Whatever his reasoning, we are in no position to know or understand. All we really see, and hear, are 'the fruits of his labor', and that is subject to each individual's interpretation based upon their personal taste. We will never know what his art means to him or what he intended for us to 'see' in it. Every thought each one of us has had concerning Mr. Ferry is solely a reflection of one's self. Mr. Ferry is not what any of us imagine him to be, his reality is separate from everyone else's sense of reality, and we exert very little influence, even though we are his fans, in his life's work. It is easy for any number of list members to point to incidences, coincidence, to decided if Ferry's career or his choices were or are presently 'well made' or 'mishandled'. Examples: Colin Good's contribution to current day Ferry? - For all any of us knows, he may be the sole reason why Bryan Ferry is alive today! Ferry's artistic decline could very well be attributed to a decision to wind down his career, any reason - whether or not we like it or whether or not know the real reason - for all we know Mr. Ferry's health may be failing him! I conclude: Enjoy the ride, folks! Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:31:51 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Bowie comparison - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Yates To: Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Bowie comparison > and before everyone says"Transformer wasn't Lou's best album" I enjoy Transformer much more now than I did in '72. Also love Hunky Dory & Station to Station. Funny I was reading an article in this months Mojo mag, it was aking Marin Gore about his musical tatses, one question was: "What album can you not live without?" MG: Hunky Dory, the other day I couldn't find my copy so I ordered one straight away off the internet, I couldn't bear the thought of not having a copy around me. Now I feel exactly the same as that about FYP & Hunky Dory! So Avalonians everywhere. The next question is, what TWO albums can you not live without (only one Roxy/Ferry related album per reply?). Terry "O" NP: Heathen (it get's better with every listen) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:37:40 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] what TWO albums can you not live without In a message dated 26/07/02 13:34:05 GMT Daylight Time, terrypaulrigz8c@supanet.com writes: > "what TWO albums can you not > live without (only one Roxy/Ferry related album per reply?)." > > 1. FYP.....Roxy > 2. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.....Genesis > > JF ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:47:02 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry/ Without comparison Philip Phrases: "Where is this coming from, KP?" From my mind - it is my hope that Ferry will continue his past run of pulling magic out of his mind and giving it to the world. "I think any artist - actor, writer, singer, painter - should be allowed to mature and develop and reflect their persona, their art, in who they are now. Not try to relive old glories." Absolutely! I totally agree - I am not advocating a clone of "For Your Pleasure". I do hope for new refreshing things from Mr. Ferry - not old glories!" "As Time Goes By" and "Frantic" were not produced in a wilderness. They are confident works of a man trying new, old things." Confident works? - That is subject to personal judgment. I would say, those works were competent and with some degree of emotion. I would not say either work was 'original' (only Hiroshima was a Ferry penned item - the remaining are covers or penned with others compositions.) and therefore not 'confident'. I expressed a desire for Ferry to emerge from the 'wilderness' because I perceive him as being very uncertain and tentative with respect to what he has been doing - my perspective! I liken him to Dante, who's wonderful epic poem, 'The Divine Comedy', takes him through the woods, the wilderness, into hell, then inferno, and finally, onto paradise! I merely hope Mr. Ferry will emerge from his 'writer's block' and let his talent flow. "Keep on growing old , Mr. Ferry." Yes. And in good health, too! Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:49:04 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Two albums My two would be: 1) Roxy Music (Roxy Music) 2) Pampered Menial (Pavlov's Dog) But that is today, if I'm in a different mood, the second one could change... Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:15:39 -0500 From: "Paul Bodine" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry and Goodwood Page 86 of the latest edition of Gramophone magazine features an ad for a "Revival Meeting" at "Goodwood" for September 6-8, 2002. The ad consists of a photo of an auto race finish-line scene circa the 1950s(?) in which Mr. Ferry is one of the crowd (cheering at left). The ad reads: "A magical step back in time. Call 01243 755055 or book online at www.goodwood.co.uk." Paul Bodine ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:16:45 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Bowie comparison "So Avalonians everywhere. The next question is, what TWO albums can you not live without (only one Roxy/Ferry related album per reply?)." Cowboy's "Why Quit When You're Losing." Bryan Ferry's "Mamouna" KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:58:44 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] what TWO albums can you not live without 1. Moody Blue by Elvis Presley 2. Boys and Girls by Bryan Ferry Tracy >From: JFROXY@aol.com >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] what TWO albums can you not live without >Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:37:40 EDT > >In a message dated 26/07/02 13:34:05 GMT Daylight Time, >terrypaulrigz8c@supanet.com writes: > > > > "what TWO albums can you not > > live without (only one Roxy/Ferry related album per reply?)." > > > > 1. FYP.....Roxy > > 2. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.....Genesis > > > > JF > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html visit my websites: http://www.jamesmason.ic24.net http://www.roxyferry.ic24.net _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:23:17 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?john=20barry?= Subject: [AVALON] paris Just a quick note to say how impressed I was with booking my tickets for the Paris show I thought it was excellent the way your seats was highlighted on the plan to show where you would be sitting Why cant UK venues get up todate with technology ???? Also for anybody who cares At web site :- Theatremonkey.com you can get up to the minute seat by seat diagnosis of any seat in most london Theatres regards jb Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:25:00 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] what TWO albums can you not live without Whichever two albums i am about to listen to........... Jonathan n/p Maureen Rees 'Driving in My Car' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 01:32:50 +1000 From: "notdixon" Subject: Re: [AVALON] what TWO albums can you not live without Hmmmm.....very tricky! How about: Pink Floyd - Complete BBC Sessions 70-71 (Harvested) Caravan - In The Land Of Grey And Pink - -Doug ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:37:12 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] what TWO albums can you not live without Of course, 'The Very Best Of The Wurzels' and 'The Buggles - Unplugged' are two classics that I'd miss terribly if some unholy sod nicked from my collection.... Jonathan n/p Jon Pertwee 'Who is the Doctor?' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:40:28 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] what TWO albums can you not live without I can't think about stuff like that on a Friday, althoug in keeping with Jonathan's sentiment, my listening pleasure is at the moment being greatly enhanced by Senor Coconut Y Su Conjunto, who have released an album of Kraftwerk covers in a Latin stylee. Incredible! SimonG >>> 07/26 4:25 pm >>> Whichever two albums i am about to listen to........... Jonathan ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:52:02 -0400 From: "Gregory A. Koetting" Subject: RE: [AVALON] what TWO albums can you not live without 1. Roxy Music "Avalon" 2. David Sylvian "Secrets of the Beehive" - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of KWil632057@aol.com Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 11:37 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] what TWO albums can you not live without Of course, 'The Very Best Of The Wurzels' and 'The Buggles - Unplugged' are two classics that I'd miss terribly if some unholy sod nicked from my collection.... Jonathan n/p Jon Pertwee 'Who is the Doctor?' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 17:10:21 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] What did Eno do? >>> "Tim Kendrick" 07/25 12:31 pm >>> > Also, he (Bowie) relies > entirely on producers to make his stuff work. The '70s Eno work > is precisely that - Eno work. Firstly, Eno didn't produce a Bowie album until Outside in 1995. Low/Heroes/Lodger were produced by Tony Visconti and David Bowie. Bowie uses producers as collaborators (almost all are musicians who also play on the records, the exception being Ken Scott). But you're telling me Ferry doesn't rely on producers? Rhett Davies, Pat Leonard, Robin Trower and Colin Good... all contributed greatly (and too much in Colin's case). Like Bowie, Ferry's producers are usually collaborators. Returning to Brian Eno. I'll state this now - he is my greatest musical hero, above Ferry and Bowie. I have the utmost respect for him and will continue to be fascinated by everything he does. But, it was those collaborations with DB in 1970s that revived his career. After leaving Roxy, he had a few solo albums to his name, possibly great critical acclaim, but very little in the way of being the "name" that he has become. The exposure and credibility that working with Bowie gave him were a major factor in builiding his success. I doubt very much that Ultravox and Talking Heads would have used him as a producer had he not worked with Bowie... On the other hand, Bowie was a wreck in 1976, and Eno rejuvinated Bowie's creativity. Eno has method and style that he brings on board with whoever he's working with, and is more evident on some albums than others. He made his own sound more evident on some of the Talking Heads, U2 and James stuff than he ever did with Bowie. The sounds and textures of Low/Heroes are more Visconti's than Bowie or Eno. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 09:16:11 -0700 From: "David Firmin" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry and Goodwood Here's the pic. http://home.ix.netcom.com/~dfirmin/Goodwoodlarge1.jpg Ferry takes part in a 50s grand prix for the Goodwood revival meeting with Damon Hill, Murray Walker, Jools Holland and TV presenter. David - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Bodine" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 6:15 AM Subject: [AVALON] Ferry and Goodwood > Page 86 of the latest edition of Gramophone magazine features an ad for a > "Revival Meeting" at "Goodwood" for September 6-8, 2002. The ad consists of a > photo of an auto race finish-line scene circa the 1950s(?) in which Mr. Ferry > is one of the crowd (cheering at left). The ad reads: "A magical step back in > time. Call 01243 755055 or book online at www.goodwood.co.uk." > > Paul Bodine *** ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:30:00 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Lyrics ( Adult language follows) "Nice but Dim" Tim. I find your remarks almost racist, You are obviously a vile creature, that should have been shot at birth. and your sentiments seem to be stuck in the class obsessed culture of which you speak. Still talking Crap. Mark - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Kendrick" To: "Avalonia" Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Lyrics ( Adult language follows) > >> No he's not, he's a romantic. > > > >From Lou Reed: > > > >Hey that cunt's not breathing, I think she's had too much of something or > >other, you know what I mean? > >I don't mean to scare you, but you're the one who came here and you're the > >one who's got to take her when you leave. > > etc. etc. > > Yes, but by sentimentality i don't mean Disney goo. i think it's possible to > be > sentimental in any number of ways, and I think, for example, lots of > American culture, the highbrow stuff included, inclines to sentimentality > about violence.It's embedded in the culture. The obscenity of Irish > Americans > sending off checks for the murder of Irishmen and Englishmen is > an example of a gross sentimentality which leads to the very unsentimental > reality of lots and lots of spilt blood. English culture is utterly > sentimental > about 'class'. ( Everything in Britain remains about class, to this day.) I > don't mean by that nostalgia for Country Life. I mean the shoddy, coarse > tabloid > culture. All nasty, pure sentimentality. > So it's in that sense that I refer to Reed as a 'sentimentalist.' > But it may seem I don't like him - i didn't say that. and it's not so. I > like the > Velvet Underground, and some of his solo stuff. NEW YORK, for example. But > I find his darkness too romanticised in the way i've tried toe expalion, too > iconic if youn will, to trust it as 'tealism.' Grit can be sentimental > too.The > word 'cunt' doensn't necessarily mean absolute truth is at hand! > > > Tim > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:43:35 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Lyrics Tim The idea that I might just one day actually say or do anything that might just might agree with you is enough to make me want to THROW- UP. My knowledge of Music is as far as I am concerned far superior to yours, judging from the written nausea that you flood into this otherwise interesting forum. Over here we have a saying. "Call a spade a spade". and you I consider not only a spade but the ACE OF ALL SPADES I HAVE HAD THE MISFORTUNE TO COMMUNICATE WITH. F**k You. "Mark - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Kendrick" To: "Mark Yates" Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Lyrics > > ----Lyrics > > > >Tim either this is a complete wind up and I'm missing the point of it. > >OR > >You are just a first rate twat. > >for a musical forum you talk utter crap. > > > > When you can express yourself better than this, and when you can read music > and > know something about it, I might - just might - think that one day you will > have some > contribution to make to this forum, or any other. Until then, I don't think > so. > > > Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:53:25 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] What did Eno do? Simon once again making allot of sense. Leaving Tims Comments well and truly where they belong.........."In the Gutter" Please "Nice but Dim Tim" Before you pass comment on any of the subject matter regarding this forum........GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT. Mark. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Galloway" To: Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 5:10 PM Subject: [AVALON] What did Eno do? > >>> "Tim Kendrick" 07/25 12:31 pm >>> > > Also, he (Bowie) relies > > entirely on producers to make his stuff work. The '70s Eno work > > is precisely that - Eno work. > > Firstly, Eno didn't produce a Bowie album until Outside in 1995. Low/Heroes/Lodger were produced by Tony Visconti and David Bowie. Bowie uses producers as collaborators (almost all are musicians who also play on the records, the exception being Ken Scott). But you're telling me Ferry doesn't rely on producers? Rhett Davies, Pat Leonard, Robin Trower and Colin Good... all contributed greatly (and too much in Colin's case). Like Bowie, Ferry's producers are usually collaborators. > > Returning to Brian Eno. I'll state this now - he is my greatest musical hero, above Ferry and Bowie. I have the utmost respect for him and will continue to be fascinated by everything he does. But, it was those collaborations with DB in 1970s that revived his career. After leaving Roxy, he had a few solo albums to his name, possibly great critical acclaim, but very little in the way of being the "name" that he has become. The exposure and credibility that working with Bowie gave him were a major factor in builiding his success. I doubt very much that Ultravox and Talking Heads would have used him as a producer had he not worked with Bowie... > > On the other hand, Bowie was a wreck in 1976, and Eno rejuvinated Bowie's creativity. Eno has method and style that he brings on board with whoever he's working with, and is more evident on some albums than others. He made his own sound more evident on some of the Talking Heads, U2 and James stuff than he ever did with Bowie. The sounds and textures of Low/Heroes are more Visconti's than Bowie or Eno. > > SimonG > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:56:27 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: [AVALON] 2 albums The trouble with this for me is that I think so much in terms of favourirte artists that to boil it down to one album would always be REALLY frustrating. When I'm in the US, half of me wants to be in England, and when I'm in the UK, I want to be back in the States! It's the same with my chosen albums - I know the minute I get to the desert island with FYP I'll wish it was STRANDED. Also, this approach is hard on great singers who aren't really album artists. My favourite singer is Al Green, but can I choose EXPLORES YOUR MIND over a Roxy album? it doesn't seem right, somehow... 1. A SENSE OF WONDER - Van Morrison. Probably an odd choice for Van, but I love this. Not everyone does. Mike Westbrook's Blake thing just works for me, though. 2. STRANDED. No. 2. AL GREEN EXPLORES YOUR MIND. It has to be him. But boy, this is hard. And I want some Ray Charles too, and some jazz, ( some Billie, of course) and--- and some Ferry. Oh my God! Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:56:45 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 2 albums Tim. I'm not at all bothered what you would take on a desert Island.............but the thought of you stranded on one........Warms my heart. Mark. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Kendrick" To: "Avalonia" Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 6:56 PM Subject: [AVALON] 2 albums > The trouble with this for me is that I think so > much in terms of favourirte artists that to boil it > down to one album would always be REALLY frustrating. > When I'm in the US, half of me wants to be in England, > and when I'm in the UK, I want to be back in the States! > It's the same with my chosen albums - I know the minute > I get to the desert island with FYP I'll > wish it was STRANDED. Also, this approach is hard > on great singers who aren't really album artists. My > favourite singer is Al Green, but can I choose EXPLORES YOUR MIND > over a Roxy album? it doesn't seem right, somehow... > > > 1. A SENSE OF WONDER - Van Morrison. Probably an odd choice > for Van, but I love this. Not everyone does. Mike Westbrook's > Blake thing just works for me, though. > > 2. STRANDED. > > No. > > 2. AL GREEN EXPLORES YOUR MIND. It has to be him. But boy, > this is hard. > > > And I want some Ray Charles too, and some jazz, > ( some Billie, of course) and--- and some Ferry. Oh my God! > > Tim > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:10:48 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] 2 albums And I want some Ray Charles too, and some jazz, ( some Billie, of course) Yeah, but hasn't she gone a bit crap since she married Chris Evans? jonathan n/p Vangelis 'Emmerdale Farm ost' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:17:27 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] What did Eno do? Can't quite recall the title but the Eno diaries are well worth a read. Informed and very creative. Most enjoyable and eye opening. Jonathan n/p Bonnie Langford 'Bonnie sings The Orb' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #253 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest