From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #249 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, July 24 2002 Volume 07 : Number 249 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Re: A really Good Time -Now Attire [MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.)] RE: [AVALON] A Really Good Time - now attire ["Fiske, Jocelyn" ] Re: [AVALON] A Really Good Time - now attire [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] A Really Good Time - now attire ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: RE: [AVALON] A Really Good Time - now R Palmer OT ["Simon Galloway" <] [AVALON] And another thing! ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Why Frantic? [KWil632057@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Frantic ["Fiske, Jocelyn" ] RE: [AVALON] Frantic ["Fiske, Jocelyn" ] [AVALON] Re: Why Frantic? [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] Paris - 23rd September ["Cassidy, Chris J (CCS)" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: A really Good Time -Now Attire ["Paula Brown" ] [AVALON] the versatility stakes [Joel Hurd ] Re: [AVALON] the versatility stakes ["David Firmin" ] [AVALON] Richard I is not a part of Arthurian Legend [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] And another thing! The Natives are Restless! [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Richard I is not a part of Arthurian Legend ["Paula Brown" <] Re: [AVALON] Frantic ["Paula Brown" ] [AVALON] Ferry's Lyrics [Stevesiren@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Lyrics ["David Firmin" ] Re: [AVALON] Richard I is not a part of Arthurian Legend [Daniel Atterbom] [AVALON] Richard the lion heart ["kartor@libertysurf.fr"] Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Lyrics ["Mark Yates" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 04:29:05 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re: A really Good Time -Now Attire If Ferry can wear a suit & not look like ( quote ) gangster-pimp-business man!!! Then what would you say he does look like in a suit? Marlana........................................................... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:09:32 +0100 From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" Subject: RE: [AVALON] A Really Good Time - now attire >Ferry is the only (rock ) performer I know who can wear a suit and not look like either a gangster (er, Sting) , pimp ( Jagger, Bowie) or businessman. (Clapton, Collins et al). A pre-porky Robert Palmer did a pretty good job of it too. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:57:26 +0100 From: philipcadams@lineone.net Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: A really Good Time -Now Attire Bryan Ferry, singer > >If Ferry can wear a suit & not look like ( quote ) >gangster-pimp-business man!!! Then what would you say he does look like >in a suit? >Marlana........................................................... > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:46:34 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] A Really Good Time - now attire A pre-porky Robert Palmer did a pretty good job of it too. As did Bowie-era Lulu. Jonathan n/p Charlotte Church 'Pretty Vacant' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:30:31 +0000 From: "Christian H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Really Good Time - now attire - ---------- >Von: "Fiske, Jocelyn" >An: "'Philip Adams'" , avalon@smoe.org >Betreff: RE: [AVALON] A Really Good Time - now attire >Datum: Mit, 24. Jul 2002 11:09 Uhr > >>Ferry is the only (rock ) performer I know who can wear a suit and not > >look like either a gangster (er, Sting) , pimp ( Jagger, Bowie) or > >businessman. (Clapton, Collins et al). > >A pre-porky Robert Palmer did a pretty good job of it too. Now he looks like having invented the 16:9 format on his own. CHS ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 06:41:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Hurd Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Really Good Time - now attire - --- "Christian H. Soetemann" wrote: > >A pre-porky Robert Palmer did a pretty good job of > it too. > > Now he looks like having invented the 16:9 format on > his own. > > CHS "You might as well face it, he's addicted to grub!" . Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:12:14 +0100 From: "Nigel Hollis" Subject: [AVALON] Frantic Tim wrote :- "which contains my single favourite line on the album: " Red Ruby lips/Don't touch me eyes/ a fool for love/ and love is blind." An astonishing, compact verse, packed with a range of sensation: Yearning, melancholic, erotic, tender, forbidding. Maybe the best fifteen words ferry has yet written." Couldn`t argue with that - very well put. It is my favourite song on the album precisely because of those tremendous lyrics. I consider Fool for Love to be a flashback to the lyrical standard Mr F. achieved on Stranded, which for me, were consistently excellent throughout the whole album and which I will always consider to be his finest work. I think Frantic to be his finest solo contribution and I can honestly say that I have played it more since the short time of it`s release than any other of his solo works with the exception perhaps of TBSB. A great review of Frantic, Tim. N. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:06:19 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Really Good Time - now attire In a message dated 24/07/02 14:42:51 GMT Daylight Time, endofthelinejoel@yahoo.com writes: > > >A pre-porky Robert Palmer did a pretty good job of > > it too. > > > > Now he looks like having invented the 16:9 format on > > his own. > > > > CHS > > "You might as well face it, he's addicted to grub!" 'Some Guys Eat All The Grub' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:14:30 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Really Good Time - now attire I prefer the classic "Looking For Pies". SimonG >>> 07/24 3:06 pm >>> In a message dated 24/07/02 14:42:51 GMT Daylight Time, endofthelinejoel@yahoo.com writes: > > >A pre-porky Robert Palmer did a pretty good job of > > it too. > > > > Now he looks like having invented the 16:9 format on > > his own. > > > > CHS > > "You might as well face it, he's addicted to grub!" 'Some Guys Eat All The Grub' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:13:01 +0100 From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" Subject: RE: [AVALON] A Really Good Time - now R Palmer OT - -----Original Message----- From: Simon Galloway [mailto:SIMONG@jazzfm.com] Sent: 24 July 2002 15:15 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Really Good Time - now attire I prefer the classic "Looking For Pies". SimonG Or there's always Some Like It Hot (The Microwave Mix) and Sneakin' Sarnies Through The Alley ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:19:52 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic " Red Ruby lips/Don't touch me eyes/ a fool for love/ and love is blind." These lyrics are precisely the reason I don't like the song (along with the lame music arrangement and shite guitar solo). Several cliches mashed together to very little effect. It also reminds of an old sketch I saw on a comedy show with a song that went like this: > I want a man with ruby red lips > I want a man with child bearing hips It must be about 10 weeks since I last listened to Frantic. It doesn't inspire me, in fact, it has the potential to put me off Bryan Ferry altogether. Its only saving grace is I Thought. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:22:31 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: RE: [AVALON] A Really Good Time - now R Palmer OT Every Kinda Pickle. Top song! >>> "Fiske, Jocelyn" 07/24 3:13 pm >>> - -----Original Message----- From: Simon Galloway [mailto:SIMONG@jazzfm.com] Sent: 24 July 2002 15:15 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Really Good Time - now attire I prefer the classic "Looking For Pies". SimonG Or there's always Some Like It Hot (The Microwave Mix) and Sneakin' Sarnies Through The Alley ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:28:00 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] And another thing! The harmonica solo and the instrumentation in that section of Fool For Love reminds me of the music from The Littlest Hobo. Now there's a cover for Bryan... THERE'S A VOICE, THAT KEEPS ON CALLING ME DOWN THE ROAD, IS WHERE I'LL ALWAYS BE EVERY STOP I MAKE, I'LL MAKE A NEW FRIEND CAN'T STAY FOR LONG, JUST TURN AROUND AND I'M GONE AGAIN MAYBE TOMORROW, I'LL WANNA SETTLE DOWN, UNTIL TOMORROW, I'LL JUST KEEP MOVING ON There are more verses, and I'm sure Terry Bush would welcome the exposure and increase in bank balance. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:34:19 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Why Frantic? Why is the album called Frantic? Jonathan n/p Su Pollard 'Grey Lagoons' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:29:02 +0100 From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Frantic " Red Ruby lips/Don't touch me eyes/ a fool for love/ and love is blind." I'm afraid the romance of this lyric is ruined for me as I keep hearing "Don't touch me eyes" in the voice of Vera Duckworth, sort of " Ey our Jack, don't touch me eyes I've just polished them". I also can't stand the "woke up in Chang Mai" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:31:04 +0100 From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Frantic Woops what happened there? I was about to say the "woke up in Chang Mai" staccato sounds like Vic Reeves doing his pub singer voice. - -----Original Message----- From: Fiske, Jocelyn Sent: 24 July 2002 15:29 To: avalon digest Subject: RE: [AVALON] Frantic " Red Ruby lips/Don't touch me eyes/ a fool for love/ and love is blind." I'm afraid the romance of this lyric is ruined for me as I keep hearing "Don't touch me eyes" in the voice of Vera Duckworth, sort of " Ey our Jack, don't touch me eyes I've just polished them". I also can't stand the "woke up in Chang Mai" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:46:21 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: Why Frantic? There's a track called Frantic which for whatever reason didn't make it on to the album. Good title though - though from another film! Regards Chris Hardly describes the content of the lp though. 'Leisurely' might have captured the feel of this one. Jonathan n/p Doctor Who 'ost 1970 - 1978' (Very Eno!) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:58:33 +0100 From: "Cassidy, Chris J (CCS)" Subject: [AVALON] Paris - 23rd September A 2nd show has been added in Paris on Monday 23 September - just wondered who may be going? Regards Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 07:58:22 -0700 From: "David Firmin" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Why Frantic? Zep's 'Houses of the Holy' didn't appear on that album, but on 'Physical Graffiti'. Maybe Ferry will include 'Frantic' on his next effort. Maybe he'll also do a cover of 'When I'm 64'? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:46 AM Subject: [AVALON] Re: Why Frantic? > There's a track called Frantic which for whatever reason didn't make it on > to the album. Good title though - though from another film! > > Regards > > Chris > > > Hardly describes the content of the lp though. 'Leisurely' might have > captured the feel of this one. > > > Jonathan > > n/p Doctor Who 'ost 1970 - 1978' (Very Eno!) > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:27:50 -0500 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: A really Good Time -Now Attire >If Ferry can wear a suit & not look like ( quote ) gangster-pimp-business man!!! Then what would you say he does look like in a suit? Marlana...........................................................< A legendary rock icon. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:25:45 -0500 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A Really Good Time - now attire >Ferry is the only (rock ) performer I know who can wear a suit and not look like either a gangster (er, Sting) , pimp ( Jagger, Bowie) or businessman. (Clapton, Collins et al). Philip< You are so right. It's (in this order) 1) His attitude and style 2) his good looks and 3) his knowledge of tailoring from the job he had as a teen. But you know, I can easily imagine someone who looked like Ferry but who had no style and intelligence shining through or had little confidence looking totally frumpy, weasely, and dissheveled in a suit. DeNiro is coming to mind, but I know I'm alone in that, so please put away your horsewhips. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 10:41:14 -0500 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic >" Red Ruby lips/Don't touch me eyes/ a fool for love/ and love is blind." I'm afraid the romance of this lyric is ruined for me as I keep hearing "Don't touch me eyes" in the voice of Vera Duckworth, sort of " Ey our Jack, don't touch me eyes I've just polished them".< Boy, suddenly I'm very glad that my cultural influences have been somewhat restricted and thereby unable to sully my appreciation of Ferry lyrics!!! Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:37:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Joel Hurd Subject: [AVALON] the versatility stakes How many musical instruments is Bryan Ferry known to play? So far I have: 1. Vocals 2. Synths/Piano/Keyboards 3. Harmonica 4. Guitar Any more? Stylophone?? . Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 08:36:55 -0700 From: "David Firmin" Subject: Re: [AVALON] the versatility stakes Bass guitar. See pic: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~pauldrum/ffbass.jpg David - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Hurd" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 8:37 AM Subject: [AVALON] the versatility stakes > How many musical instruments is Bryan Ferry known to > play? > > So far I have: > > 1. Vocals > 2. Synths/Piano/Keyboards > 3. Harmonica > 4. Guitar > > Any more? Stylophone?? > > > . > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:13:04 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: [AVALON] Richard I is not a part of Arthurian Legend I wish to address a errant assumption that some Avalonians seem to have made concerning "Ja Nun Hons Pris" and "A Fool For Love" from the Frantic album. The first song is adapted from a poem written by King Richard I of England, known as 'Richard the Lionheart' (b.1157 ad), while held for ransom by Henry VI of Germany. Richard I (King 1189-1199 ad) was returning home after making a truce with Saladin, thus concluding the Third Crusade, at the time of his apprehension. Arthurian Legend is a product from a group of tales that developed in the Middle Ages concerning Arthur, a semi historical king of the Britons, and his knights. The legend is a complex weaving of ancient Celtic mythology with later tradition around a core of possible historical authenticity. 'King' Arthur, who lead the Britons fighting against the invasion of England by the Anglo-Saxons, first appears in the Welsh poem "Y Gododdin" (c.600 ad). The fully developed legend appears in the "Historia Regum Britanniae (c.1139) by English chronicler Geoggrey of Monmouth. In the 15th century Thomas Malroy creates "Le Morte d'Arthur" (The Death of Arthur, 1469-1470). Clearly, Richard the Lionheart's life span follows the semi historical king Arthur's lifetime by nearly 600 years. Furthermore, the period in which the Arthurian Legend is set predates its literary profusion by several centuries. True enough, Richard I's life occurs during the nearly 1,000 year span in which the legend as we know it today evolved in literature, but Richard is not a part of Arthurian Legend. Any script linking Richard and Arthurian Legend is but a literary ploy, the pursuit of the Holy Grail (the sacred chalice used by Christ at the Last Supper), righteousness, and holiness in theme only. The juxtaposed positioning, as presented by Mr. Ferry on "Frantic", between "Ja Nun Hons Pris" and "A Fool For Love" should not be confused as a singular theme equating Richard I with Arthurian Legend. These two songs are 'complimentary', their presumed subject matter loosely belong to the Middle Ages, however from within very different time frames. - One flows into the other, they are separate and bring to mind two romantic, distinctly different, medieval stories. Ironically, in the eyes of the "Arab Historians of the Crusades" as translated by Francesco Gabrieli, the English invaders were the infidels and the aggressors. Richard I was a murderous man without honor - he ordered the slaughter of three thousand Muslims who were promised their lives in exchange for surrendering their city, Acre, and their worldly possessions. Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:20:23 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic To quote my intervie wwith Mr Ferry: With respect to "Frantic": why "Frantic?" What happened to "Love War?" - - We had lots of titles flying around. "Frantic" captures the mood of the last days of recording and mixing it. We must beat the deadline for the 20th time (laughter) while also mixing the DVD of the live Roxy--all before Xmas. "Frantic" was the title that stood out. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:22:57 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] And another thing! The Natives are Restless! "The harmonica solo and the instrumentation in that section of Fool For Love reminds me of the music from The Littlest Hobo. Now there's a cover for Bryan..." No. No. Roger Miller's "King of the Road"! Trailers for sale or rent Rooms to let fifty cents No phone no pool no pets I ain't got no cigarettes Two hours of pushin' broom Buys an eight by ten two bit room I'm a man of means by no means King of the Road There's more but I'll spare you the burden. Really, I love this song, and if Ferry is hell bent on doing covers, I'd like to hear this one! KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:02:14 +0100 From: "ncjones.lewis2" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic For me, the line regarding the kings strengths and weaknesses, namely... "So high and wise/could read your mind/a fool for love/ and love is blind." ...has the edge. The first two lines just utterly relay the power of this man, the fact that he can literally read the minds of others, with no paranormal gifts (this is how I read this) other than his own wisdom and experience of life and others. It places a picture in my head of a truly awesome (in the true sense of the word) entity....yet with a (fatal?) flaw. This makes him instantly human. During the repeat of this verse Bryan manages, in his vocal, to inject a kind of clipped, breathless awe which (for me) gives the line even more prominence. Just my opinion though. Neil Jones p.s. great post Tim BTW - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nigel Hollis" To: "avalon digest" Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 3:12 PM Subject: [AVALON] Frantic > Tim wrote :- > > "which contains my single favourite line on the album: > > " Red Ruby lips/Don't touch me eyes/ a fool for love/ and love is blind." > > An astonishing, compact verse, packed with a range of > sensation: Yearning, melancholic, erotic, tender, forbidding. Maybe the > best fifteen words ferry has yet written." ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:40:28 -0500 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Richard I is not a part of Arthurian Legend Yes, I know. Nor is Fool for Love about Richard the Lionhearted, best I can tell, though JNHP was written by him. It's all interesting though. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:48:59 -0500 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic >For me, the line regarding the kings strengths and weaknesses, namely... "So high and wise/could read your mind/a fool for love/ and love is blind." ...has the edge. The first two lines just utterly relay the power of this man, the fact that he can literally read the minds of others, with no paranormal gifts (this is how I read this) other than his own wisdom and experience of life and others. It places a picture in my head of a truly awesome...entity....yet with a (fatal?) flaw. Neil Jones< I agree. Bryan himself is a truly awesome entity with a (fatal?) flaw, which flaw is the spring which feeds his art. For some reason (I know not why), I am reminded of Perceval: "In the morning he arose, and when he went forth, behold! a shower of snow had fallen in the night, and a hawk had killed a wild-fowl in front of the cell. And the noise of the horse had scared the hawk away, and a raven alighted on the bird. And Perceval stood and compared the blackness of the raven and the whiteness of the snow and the redness of the blood to the hair of the lady that best he loved, which was blacker than jet, and to her skin, which was whiter than the snow, and to the two red spots upon her cheeks, which were redder than the blood upon the snow." Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:35:06 EDT From: Stevesiren@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Ferry's Lyrics As Much as I continue to love his music, Ferry's lyrics have for several years been reminiscent of love struck sixth-former desperatley trying to write a love poem to impress his girlfriend. The first 6 Roxy albums , IYM & TBSB are all brilliant lyrically, FYP being the peak. Editions of You, Do the Strand, Dreamhome, are all superb pieces of writing, who else would dare include the line "Badgers couldn't compensate at twice the price..." & still sound like perfect sense (as opposed to Lennon who wrote wonderful lyrics , but just a collection of words) I don't think its a coincidence that he used left over lines from this period for "San Simeon" its the only bright spot wordwise on Frantic.The somewhat cringeworthy lines in "NYC" on Mamouna are another example of how he seems to reach for the book entitled "Rock Cliches" nowadays Bryan, you were one the greatest lyricists ever, but perhaps its expecting too much to expect you to continue in that vein for 30yrs. Steve np Mike Sarne "Dodgy Looking Bird".... now THERE is a lyric. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:46:39 -0700 From: "David Firmin" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Lyrics You are right about "Rock Cliches". It's funny how people try and find some literary sense to these lyrics. It's all throw-away stuff. Apart from the covers and 'I Thought', it doesn't come close to the peak albums you mentioned. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 12:35 PM Subject: [AVALON] Ferry's Lyrics > As Much as I continue to love his music, Ferry's lyrics have for several > years been reminiscent of love struck sixth-former desperatley trying to > write a love poem to impress his girlfriend. > The first 6 Roxy albums , IYM & TBSB are all brilliant lyrically, FYP being > the peak. > Editions of You, Do the Strand, Dreamhome, are all superb pieces of writing, > who else would dare include the line "Badgers couldn't compensate at twice > the price..." & still sound like perfect sense (as opposed to Lennon who > wrote wonderful lyrics , but just a collection of words) I don't think its a > coincidence that he used left over lines from this period for "San Simeon" > its the only bright spot wordwise on Frantic.The somewhat cringeworthy lines > in "NYC" on Mamouna are another example of how he seems to reach for the book > entitled "Rock Cliches" nowadays > Bryan, you were one the greatest lyricists ever, but perhaps its expecting > too much to expect you to continue in that vein for 30yrs. > Steve np Mike Sarne "Dodgy Looking Bird".... now THERE is a lyric. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 22:36:58 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Richard I is not a part of Arthurian Legend While we're on the subject. Robin Hood did not live durinf Richard the Lionheart's era, and he has existed, but in the 1300's. A friend of a friend is a fellow in history at University of Lund in Sweden. He has written a bestselling book about Robin Hood called The man from Barnsdale where he looks at the myths, the facts and the five best movies about Robin Hood. My friend of a friend liked the Heath Ledger movie with the soundtrack by Queen, David Bowie and Eric Clapton, btw. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:29:03 +0200 From: "kartor@libertysurf.fr" Subject: [AVALON] Richard the lion heart is buried in France, in the beautiful abbey of Fontevraud,founded in 1101, in Maine-et-Loire, West of France. He is buried with his famous mother Aliinor of Aquitaine. If you are still searching a good place for holidays, or perhaps for a Mad Affair 2 ;-) www.abbaye-fontevraud.com - -------------- Pendant tout l'iti, le modem ADSL Tiscali est gratuit. Profitez en pour passer au Haut Dibit ! Cliquez ici, http://register.tiscali.fr/adsl/ Offre soumise ` conditions. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:29:16 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Richard I is not a part of Arthurian Legend Father Christmas is real though, yeah? Jonathan n/p Jonathan Ross 'Ian Ogilvy interview' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:43:54 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: Nobody Loves Me ( An interpretation) >Tim states: > > It crossed my mind that >the title might have come from the standard moan of a teenager >to their parents, and his house is full of recently-teenagers, >actual teenagers and soon-to-be teenagers! Just a thought. >The emotional context of the song itself, however, is entirely adult, >worn out, tired, aging. > > >Um, no it's not. It's really really obvious what this song is about. Listen >really carefully to the lyrics, they are actually pretty venomous. > Um, yes it is. I agree that they're pretty vicious, but that doesn't contradict what I said. I didn't make your particular point because, as you say, um, it's pretty obvious. Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:52:08 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] RE: Nobody Loves Me ( An interpretation) Yeah Tim but, i don't think teenagers really have any place in Ferry's musical world. I don't think the songs has anything to do with being 'worn out, tired or aging' just unhappiness, a recurrent Ferry theme. There's a difference. Glad you can see the obvious though. Well done. ;0) Jonathan n/p Jonathan Ross 'John Lydon interview' Um, yes it is. I agree that they're pretty vicious, but that doesn't contradict what I said. I didn't make your particular point because, as you say, um, it's pretty obvious. Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 18:56:39 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Lyrics >You are right about "Rock Cliches". It's funny how people try and find some >literary sense to these lyrics. It's all throw-away stuff. Apart from the >covers and 'I Thought', it doesn't come close to the peak albums you >mentioned. Well, all these songs contain some definable images, which to some degree or other link up into a whole - we can debate the degree. But let me make clear that I do not think a single word of Ferry's is 'literary." At the best it's literate, and that's all. Which is still some way ahead of most rock musicians. ( Bowie seems to me a horrible lyricist, as well as fairly dull in musical terms.And only in a thoroughly cheap and tatty culture could Lou Reed pass himself off as some kind of 'poet.' Reed has the edge on Bowie, but who doesn't?) But yeah, I wouldn't swap a line of, say, Rimbaud, or the work of a great living poet like C H Sisson, for every word Bryan has ever written. But then rock music is never genuinely serious - some music is, but not this stuff. Rock is merely a diversion , and Ferry diverts me more than most. That's as far as it goes. Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:34:08 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Lyrics At first reading Tim I thought you were making some sense. But attacking Bowie in such a way is ridiculous. although I have been a fan of Ferry for many years all the way back to the mid-seventies. I have been an avid fan of Bowie for even longer. I find it difficult to compare the two of them other than to say that I admire both of them for the music and lyrics they have produced. But when it comes to choosing who writes the better lyrics Bowie wins by a mile, there is no comparison, its almost laughable that you could slag of Bowie while praising Ferry. Just take a sharp intake of breath and listen to some of the lyrics Bowie has produced. And when has Lou ever passed himself of as a poet!!?. Other people may have said that about Lou, but I can never recall him actually stating any such thing. And just how can you call Bowie "Dull" In all the years I have followed the man, and I have met and spoken with many who don't fully appreciate his talent, I can honestly say this is the first time I have heard him referred to as "Dull". Mark. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Kendrick" To: "Avalonia" Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Lyrics > >You are right about "Rock Cliches". It's funny how people try and find some > >literary sense to these lyrics. It's all throw-away stuff. Apart from the > >covers and 'I Thought', it doesn't come close to the peak albums you > >mentioned. > > Well, all these songs contain some definable images, which to some degree > or other link up into a whole - we can debate the degree. But let me > make clear that I do not think a single word of Ferry's is 'literary." At > the > best it's literate, and that's all. Which is still some way ahead > of most rock musicians. ( Bowie seems to me a horrible > lyricist, as well as fairly dull in musical terms.And only in a thoroughly > cheap > and tatty culture could Lou Reed pass himself off as some kind of 'poet.' > Reed has the edge on Bowie, but who doesn't?) But yeah, I wouldn't > swap a line of, say, Rimbaud, or the work of a > great living poet like C H Sisson, for every word Bryan has ever written. > But then rock music is never genuinely > serious - some music is, but not this stuff. Rock is > merely a diversion , and Ferry diverts me more than most. That's > as far as it goes. > > Tim > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #249 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest