From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #235 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, July 13 2002 Volume 07 : Number 235 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [AVALON] Mr. Good's Influence [philipcadams@lineone.net] Re: [AVALON] The Sunday Times ["Andrew Shearer" ] Re: [AVALON] Colin Good's contribution to Ferry's music ["Christian H. So] Re: [AVALON] Allow me ["Therese O'Donnell" ] [AVALON] Crooner Ferry a Red Hot dad ["M" ] Re: [AVALON] Mr. Good's Influence [Daniel Atterbom ] [AVALON] Colin...so good? ["The Siren" ] Re: [AVALON] Colin...so good? ["The Siren" ] Re: [AVALON] Colin...so good? ["Paula Brown" ] [AVALON] Re: Jamiroqui: 'Roxy can't play' shocker [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] Two little things... ["Helen Thorpe" ] [AVALON] More from Toronto ["Helen Thorpe" ] [AVALON] Yet more links from Toronto: ["Helen Thorpe" ] [AVALON] Liverpool concert ["alison smith" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:24:21 +0100 From: philipcadams@lineone.net Subject: RE: [AVALON] Mr. Good's Influence Fine post, Maggie and I agree whole heartedly. Frantic is a fine record but the covers could have been put on to an EP or mini-album , save .. maybe.... "Baby Blue" which is superb. A few months on from release , "Frantic" still feels like an incomplete Ferry record. Philip ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:40:14 +0000 From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Sunday Times I see BF is on the front cover of the Style supplement of the Sunday Times this weekend. Regards, Andrew _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:53:30 +0200 From: "Joep!" Subject: [AVALON] Allow me Please allow to introduce myself in a short moment of delurkyness. I joined Avalon last year, enjoying the RM/BF-music related parts very much, disliked the little personal dislikings displayed on this platform, and was pleased to see people like Colleen redirect the list to RM/BF with her initiative of SOTW. I'm an old fashioned RM fan of the early seventies, discovered them one album too late (FYP), but 30 years later still loving a fine Ferry-tune. Boyswillbeboyswillbeboys. All time favorita's include As the world turns, IYM, Chance Meeting, IFTIS (live!), Sentimental Fool, TITC, BitterSweet, I thought and some 50 others, changing songs for changing moods. It's amazing that in such an extended portfolio of BF-related music I have only a few 'not appreciated' songs, 4 Letter Love, CryCryCry. Almost all songs have at least a certain musical or vocal attraction, maybe just a word, a sentence, an expression you can relate to. And that is one of the 74 reasons Bryan is for me a more outstanding artist than other all time heroes like Bowie, Morrison, Reed. The fact that he's a nice guy too is irrelevant for his musical manifesto. Hope to see some of you in Amsterdam and/or Antwerp, great places for some nostalgic september songs, added with the frantic sound of this decade, Joep, from the lowlands of The Netherlands. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:52:25 +0000 From: "Christian H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Colin Good's contribution to Ferry's music - ---------- >Von: KB Porter >An: "avalon@smoe.org" >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] Colin Good's contribution to Ferry's music >Datum: Don, 11. Jul 2002 14:31 Uhr > >I've always felt "Mamouna" is highly personal - >and that is why I love it. I like this album for many more >reasons as well, but the fact that it seems to be such a >genuine and heartfelt endeavor invested with great personal >effort shouts volumes to me, endearing itself more than any >other work of modern music that I own. "Mamouna" is firmly >entrenched in my psyche. If I remember correctly, Ferry sold his NYC apartment to help finance the album. I guess we would agree in stating this strong personal involvement comes across on this saddest of Ferry's records. I hope Ferry will hold it in higher regard once some more time has passed - now, he obviously seems to associate 'Mamouna' with personal crisis and anguish. Certainly, it's very nice to hear him enjoying himself on 'Frantic'. And I assume Colin Good has contributed to that by providing Ferry with a solid virtuoso background especially very valuable for musical direction during touring. And while I love Ferry's harmonica playing, I hope the next studio album will have lots of Ferry keyboards as well. 'I Thought' is a prime example of how an idiosyncratic keyboard style (in this case, Eno's) can be an unmistakable hallmark that is virtually impossible to separate from the song. >I do not hear the sinister whir lately. Is Neil Jones in >hiding? Watch out, jogging in the park may be hazardous to >one's health! Thankfully, my lumbago prevents me from doing that anyway! Regards, Christian NP: Pink Floyd - Dogs ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:48:15 +0000 From: "Therese O'Donnell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Allow me Before I go looking for Amsterdam tix from the venue, I thought I would ask if anyone had any spares they wanted rid of.... I doubt it but you never know. I need 2 tix if poss. Cheers Therese >From: "Joep!" >To: "Avalon" >Subject: [AVALON] Allow me >Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:53:30 +0200 > >Please allow to introduce myself in a short moment of delurkyness. >I joined Avalon last year, enjoying the RM/BF-music related parts very much, >disliked the little personal dislikings displayed on this platform, and was >pleased to see people like Colleen redirect the list to RM/BF with her >initiative of SOTW. >I'm an old fashioned RM fan of the early seventies, discovered them one >album too late (FYP), but 30 years later still loving a fine Ferry-tune. >Boyswillbeboyswillbeboys. All time favorita's include As the world turns, >IYM, Chance Meeting, IFTIS (live!), Sentimental Fool, TITC, BitterSweet, I >thought and some 50 others, changing songs for changing moods. It's amazing >that in such an extended portfolio of BF-related music I have only a few >'not appreciated' songs, 4 Letter Love, CryCryCry. Almost all songs have at >least a certain musical or vocal attraction, maybe just a word, a sentence, >an expression you can relate to. And that is one of the 74 reasons Bryan is >for me a more outstanding artist than other all time heroes like Bowie, >Morrison, Reed. The fact that he's a nice guy too is irrelevant for his >musical manifesto. > >Hope to see some of you in Amsterdam and/or Antwerp, great places for some >nostalgic september songs, added with the frantic sound of this decade, >Joep, from the lowlands of The Netherlands. > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 07:52:45 -0400 From: "M" Subject: [AVALON] Crooner Ferry a Red Hot dad From Jam! Showbiz: http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusic/jul12_ferry-sun.html Crooner Ferry a Red Hot dad By JANE STEVENSON -- Toronto Sun Just imagine. Sartorially splendid and cool-as-a-cucumber Bryan Ferry enjoying the rambunctious, funk-rock antics of a Red Hot Chili Peppers concert. It happened recently when the 56-year-old, sometime frontman for Roxy Music took his four teenaged sons -- ages 11 to 19 -- to see the Peppers at London Arena. "It was really good," Ferry told The Sun earlier this week while in Toronto to chat up his new solo album, Frantic. "I took my four boys with me, because they were all fans. They kept talking about it for ages and I just made a call, so we got all the V.I.P. tickets and passes," Ferry said. "I got them (frontman Anthony) Kiedis' autograph, which is quite cool. They don't know that yet. I got them that in Paris." Consider them told. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 13:34:24 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mr. Good's Influence At 23.29 -0400 2-07-11, Maggie Curran wrote: >Now back to Colleen's point about Mr. Good. If CG recommended Bryan >drop Love War and Alphaville in favor of the Dylan covers, then we >have an issue. If it's all Bryan's choice, then we just love our artist >anyway, despite our disappointment. On Frantic there are >two songs of unsurpassable wonder IMO....JNHP/Fool For Love and >I Thought. It would be heartbreaking if these two songs are not >played on tour. It was noted before that the retro feel and mood of >ATGB worked. We are not certain that Bryan's audience wants to hear >subdued retro this time out. Maybe we just want to hear new material >(Ferry's original) presented with sparkling imagination and beauty. Speaking to Mr Ferry it was my impression that the choice was his, Bryan really likes Dylan's lyrics. I Thought is a masterpiece, I have not heard Alphaville, but Frantic turned out better then I thought it would be and I like it better now. NP I Thought Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:22:27 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] OT: Bowie in Denmark Hi Aleks. David started the gig with Life on Mars, after the first two lines he walked on stage, It was quite an emotional moment for allot of us The woman who stood next to me burst into tears,and to be honest I had to swallow to gain my composure, after listening to the song for 30 years, and never thinking I would get the chance to hear it live, and there I was Bowie was only about 15 feet away from me looking great sounding fantastic and singing Life on Mars. he followed that with Ashes to Ashes, Cactus and then Starman.In total he did eight tracks from Heathen," He did mention that "I Will be your slave" was his personal favourite ,I thought "Everyone says hi" and "Slip away" were his two best off Heathen the set also included Heroes Lets Dance Changes I'm afraid of Americans Fame Stay China Girl and of course he finished with Ziggy Stardust. But it wasn't just a fantastic set, He seemed so happy to be back on stage, he joked and smiled all the way through the show, talking with audience. It was a magical evening one I shall never forget. Suede were fantastic, full of energy, and gave a great performance. The Divine Comedy weren't that hot. I don't think the setting suited there acustic set. Mark. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aleks Kocan" To: "Mark Yates" Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] OT: Bowie in Denmark > Hi Mark > > I was going to get tickets for this but the weather > looked a bit dodgy..... > > Can you remember any of the set-list - I guess it's > off-topic but I think that quite a few of us would > like to know > > Cheers > > Aleks > > p.s Were Suede any good? I'm going to see them at the > Manchester Academy later this year > > --- Mark Yates wrote: > > Hi Stefan > > Just got back from the Manchester show. He really > > blew me away. To start the > > show with Life on Mars was Fantastic, the entire > > show was outstanding, and > > for once in my life I managed to get right at the > > front. > > It don't get any better. > > Cheers. > > Mark. > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:19:19 +0100 From: "ncjones.lewis2" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy on BBC tonight (friday) Sorry, I know this is short notice but I thought this may get you all chomping at the BIT...... BBC1 tonight (Friday) Re:covered - Dermot O'Leary (mildly funny, cheeky CHUCK-le inducing presenter) introduces Jamiroquai's version of Roxy Music's Love is the Drug. I assume he may TORQUE about the original incarnation at some stage as this topic is definitely REVERSIBLE. If not then Mr O'Leary's contract should come under the HAMMER. ACTION should be taken! Once again BBC1 1.25am (12.55 for BBC West)....yes America, even small ole' blighty can complicate things with regional scheduling! (BTW, it follows Harvey Keitel in Young Americans - aCORDED to my friends its a good movie.) beware Neil Jones. p.s. - Ok it's on Saturday morning really, but you know what I mean. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:54:23 +0100 From: "The Siren" Subject: Re: [AVALON] I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know Hang on a second... 4LV is great, and I have actually started to enjoy 1waylove. YAMS is not too sharp, true. But then, I like the 37minute Yage mix of IPASOY. BTW, I love the heresy that only true ebelivers dare espouse - ----- > > > > Why did he bother to record such a sh*t song so > > badly?? > > > > > Seconded ! File along with Four Letter Love, You Are > My Sunshine, and One Way Love. > > Reecey... (ready to be flamed) > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:00:11 +0100 From: "The Siren" Subject: [AVALON] Amazing Grace bahi wrote: Amazing Grace is the sound of a man who > has been through really tough times AG is a real divider of opinions, perhaps like no other (accept perhaps Nimrod, one of the true greats). I love AG, it comes from that strange place only BF inhabits, beyond the mist somewhere.... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:35:46 +0100 From: "The Siren" Subject: [AVALON] Colin...so good? Am I the only one out there that is beginning to get worried about Colin Good's impact on BF? I know at least one avalonian who is preparing a diatribe. Yes, I loved his influence on ATGB and the last Roxy Tour. But look what he did to Alphaville...or is that all BF's fault? Is the next step a completely AOR Dire Straits-esque piece of "serious playing"? I'm not saying anything's corroded yet, but I'm worried the rot is setting in. Could we be getting to the end of the phenomenal Horoscope/taxi/mamouna/Alphaville talent run? Doubt it, but these things can start to get worrying when you hear bonus tracks on japanese imports... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:45:05 +0100 From: "The Siren" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Colin...so good? now have had time to actually read the posts of the last few days, i realise that my comment is out of sync - there are loads of doubters out there. now i'm starting to wonder if we're not ganging up on him ...scapegoat springs to mind(1) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Siren" To: Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 11:35 PM Subject: [AVALON] Colin...so good? > Am I the only one out there that is beginning to get worried about Colin > Good's impact on BF? I know at least one avalonian who is preparing a > diatribe. Yes, I loved his influence on ATGB and the last Roxy Tour. But > look what he did to Alphaville...or is that all BF's fault? Is the next > step a completely AOR Dire Straits-esque piece of "serious playing"? I'm > not saying anything's corroded yet, but I'm worried the rot is setting in. > Could we be getting to the end of the phenomenal > Horoscope/taxi/mamouna/Alphaville talent run? Doubt it, but these things > can start to get worrying when you hear bonus tracks on japanese imports... > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 18:16:42 -0500 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Colin...so good? >Am I the only one out there that is beginning to get worried ab out Colin Good's impact on BF? But look what he did to Alphaville...or is that all BF's fault? < I understand your point, but I don't know that it's fair to judge incomplete works never meant for public ears such as the tracks of Alphaville with the same scrutiny that we'd judge the finished product. It was work in progress. Interesting to us fanatics to see the creative process a bit, but that's as far as it should go, in my opinion. I have speculated privately that Bryan is probably in control to some extent of the bloodless tone some of us have detected, most recently in the sort of droning kind of tight inflectionless piano on the live performance on Don't Think Twice on Jay Leno. Since it's not always piano this effect is coming up in (Goin Down for example, where I LIKE that effect but others don't) I feel it must be at least partially Bryan and something he is going for. I agree I'd love to hear Bryan play piano more, but he can't do everything, I guess! Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:39:34 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: Jamiroqui: 'Roxy can't play' shocker Laugh? I've just tiddled myself. After playing what can only be described as an appalling cover version of 'Love is the Drug' on the BBC tv show 'Re:covered' Jamiroqui stated that he just bought Siren on cd and the band can't play properly and 'must've been on something'. Fellow Avalonians we should take heed. If anybody knows about not being able to play properly its bloody Jamiroqui. Jonathan n/p Roxy Music 'Love is the Drug' (Rollo And Sister Bliss mix (Even this is better than Jamiroquis crap attempt) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:34:52 -0400 From: "Helen Thorpe" Subject: [AVALON] Two little things... Thing #1. Dear "M". Love your limerick - but could you cook up a new one - I need another one to recite at work. Please, please, please? Think #2. Glad to hear there's a tentative Toronto show date - and it's after I get back from the UK. For any date after November 4 (and even that night - would go straight from the airport), anyone planning on attending the Toronto show - let me know, and we'll co-ordinate a get together. Email off-list. Hopefully Cecilia will add any North American dates to her meet-up page. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:51:03 -0400 From: "Helen Thorpe" Subject: [AVALON] More from Toronto Another link - in case no-one else has this one up yet... http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusic/jul12_ferry-sun.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:17:31 -0400 From: "Helen Thorpe" Subject: [AVALON] Yet more links from Toronto: Here's some more... http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Artic le_Type1&c=Article&cid=1026143353773&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188 492&call_pagepath=News/News OK - I think I'm done now. Checked the other major Toronto publications (The Globe & Mail, and Now Magazine) and found nothing more. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 23:16:09 -0500 From: "Paula Brown" Subject: [AVALON] Holy bat news! I find this quote from a Vic Wagner (Toronto) interview with Ferry very disturbing: "At the moment, we're only doing two or three songs (from Frantic)," he says. "We might do more as we get further into the tour, but probably not more than four. And we'll be choosing from the Roxy repertoire. People want to hear things that they know." I don't know about anybody else, but if I don't hear at LEAST Ja Nun Hons Pris/Fool for Love and Hiroshima from Frantic, I am going to be psycho. And I'd like to hear Nobody Loves Me, Cruel, and San Simeon as well. I'll never complain about vintage Roxy songs being performed, but I think they MUST get the highlights from Frantic on there. This material, for me at least, is so much better than a lot of what is on the set list right now. I can't believe they aren't under pressure from the label to sell Frantic. And I don't want to hear Frantic covers either. Yoo-hoo, I want the real deal, Bryan. C'mon. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 07:01:34 +0000 From: "alison smith" Subject: [AVALON] Liverpool concert Greetings! A few enquiries re the concert:- Does anyone have any idea at what time Bryan will appear on stage? What is the parking situation at the arena? Would public transport from Lime Street to the arena be a possibility? Is there any where good to eat in Liverpool on a Sunday night? I seem to remember from my student days that everything closed on a Sunday. I hope there are some well informed Liverpudlians on the list. Alison _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #235 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest