From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #233 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, July 11 2002 Volume 07 : Number 233 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] it's not allright [Daniel Atterbom ] [AVALON] Monte Carlo gigs [=?iso-8859-1?q?jeanne=20louise?= ] Re: [AVALON] Things (Long Post Alert) [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Is Good All Right? [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Colin Good's contribution to Ferry's music [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Colin Good's contribution to Ferry's music ["Christian H. So] [AVALON] Monte Carlo gigs [=?iso-8859-1?q?jeanne=20louise?= ] [AVALON] Good Enough? ["Maggie Curran" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:08:00 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] it's not allright At 21.04 -0700 2-07-09, PeteK wrote: >Why won't Bryan sing an original contemporary song on TV ?. It's either >ancient material like Love Is The Drug on Letterman in 94 or a cover song like >he performed on Leno just the other night. Is he making a statement? He seems >to think his original recent material isn't worthy of a TV broadcast. Cruel or >Nobody Loves Me would have been a much better promotional tool for this album. >His selection was very disapointing to me. And yes, I thought he looked either >very nervous or the man has the shakes. I hope it was nerves. Becuse the producer ask him to perform material familiar to the TV audiences and Fery has had nad many hitsa in the UK? NP Strawberry Fields Forever/Penny Lane, Beatles Anthology 2 Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:15:06 +0100 From: "Rob Whiteford" Subject: [AVALON] Things (Long Post Alert) It's been ages since I've managed to post so sorry this is long. Some time ago Colleen wrote a cracking review of Frantic and I've meant to bore you all with my views ever since. Baby Blue - This is catchy, powerful and not dulled by over production. Great vocal. Cruel - Second best track and would have been the best choice of single. Much prefer the more edgy Alphaville version which seemed to have more power. Ferrys best lyric in a while. Going Down - Each to their own and all that but I really like this. It's different but it's got a good feel to it. Goddess of Love - Hmmnn. Too fluffy and predictable - no menace, no weight. Sounds like someone trying to write a hit single. Don't think twice - Finally started to grow on me now but took a while. Still not sure I like the song. Nobody Loves Me - Again this would have been a better single than Goddess of Love. Great atmosphere to it. Spoiled a little by the guitar sound which just isn't right. Better than the Alphaville version despite the ommission of some of the better lyrics. Ja Non Hon Pris/ Fool for Love - Wonderful apart from the pointless and awful bit at the end after Ferry stops singing. I wonder if he considered cutting it dead after his lyric ended? It would have been better. Still this is as good as he's been - a great track. Love the strings and his voice together. Much better than Alphaville version. Goodnight Irene - Brilliant and it's nice to see him still doing original covers if you'll pardon the expression. Camp fire sound with lyrics not many could sing and sound like they meant it. Hiroshima - This took a while as as well but grew on me. I fell it lacks some spark and imagination. San Simeon - Great Lyrics spolied yet again by a bad mix. It's so bland and lifeless compared with Alphaville. The edge has been removed and it just sounds plastic. Infuriating as this sort of lyric is too good to sanitise by scrubbing the backing track within an inch of it;s life. One Way Love - I can't begin to explain why but I never want to skip the track. Hardly a masterpiece but nice to hear him enjoying himself. I thought - Well talking of masterpieces........As some list members will know I regularly worry that Ferry will pack in. As I listened to Frantic for the first time it got to the bit where he sings " I thought - I'd find you walking in the rain" and I knew he hadn't lost it. Really beautiful music and the harmonica playing is just gorgeous. "Smothered in gold" is the sort of imagery he does best. Overall I like the album. Apart from the watered down San Simeon it's got plenty going for it. This sort of stuff would have kept him at the top where Bete Noire lost it. As a Ferry fanatic it is such a relief to hear this sort of stuff which leaves Taxi looking very AOR. I hope that not all the songs from Alphaville are lost. Love War, I don't want to, and the brilliant You Can Dance are far too good for a can somewhere. Cheers Rob ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 06:15:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] it's not allright On Tue, 9 Jul 2002, PeteK wrote: > Why won't Bryan sing an original contemporary song on TV ?. It's either > ancient material like Love Is The Drug on Letterman in 94 or a cover > song like he performed on Leno just the other night. Is he making a > statement? He seems to think his original recent material isn't worthy > of a TV broadcast. Cruel or Nobody Loves Me would have been a much > better promotional tool for this album. His selection was very In this case, I am pretty sure economics dictated the song selection for Monday's show. As the band is currently on a tour on the other side of the Atlantic, certainly it was far more economical to fly only Mr. Ferry and Colin to California for the performance. (Cheaper still would have been to fly only Mr. Ferry, but somehow I can't see him rehearsing one of his songs with another band.) Colleen (who thinks Colin Good is at the heart of the reasons many of you find _Frantic_ unsatisfying) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:09:26 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?jeanne=20louise?= Subject: [AVALON] Monte Carlo gigs The two Sporting Club dates on the 27th and 28th of july are not listed on Cecilia's site,Chris Cassidy mentioned seeing ads in Monaco for a theatre,but it must be the ones in the club.Is anybody going? Please,Cecilia,could you add them to your list? Thank you.JL. Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 12:08:48 +0100 From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Monte Carlo gigs I think theses dates (like the Portuguese casino dates) aren't for public consumption. Cash money earners. - -----Original Message----- From: jeanne louise [mailto:jeanelouiseuk@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 10 July 2002 12:09 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Monte Carlo gigs The two Sporting Club dates on the 27th and 28th of july are not listed on Cecilia's site,Chris Cassidy mentioned seeing ads in Monaco for a theatre,but it must be the ones in the club.Is anybody going? Please,Cecilia,could you add them to your list? Thank you.JL. Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:43:29 +0000 From: "Christian H. Soetemann" Subject: [AVALON] Colin Good's contribution to Ferry's music - ---------- >Von: Colleen Matan >An: avalon@smoe.org >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] it's not allright >Datum: Mit, 10. Jul 2002 10:15 Uhr >Colleen (who thinks Colin Good is at the heart of the reasons many of you >find _Frantic_ unsatisfying) > Personally I think you have raised an important question, Colleen. Regardless of the rather unpleasant encounter I have had with him last year, it's out of question he's a first class musician and a very accomplished arranger. Kudos to him for his attention to Ferry's piano playing on the originals. I guess his musical ability has helped Bryan Ferry to get ATGB & Frantic finished - it was perfect for ATGB, though I wonder what some Frantic tracks would have sounded like if Ferry had played more of the keyboards himself (except for those on which he did play keys), for example (I think it was Colleen as well who had considered this some weeks ago) 'Don't Think Twice' - - I must say I like Ferry's keyboard playing a lot and still hope for a solo album featuring only him on piano & vox. Christian NP: Pink Floyd - Dogs (yes, again) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:20:03 -0400 From: "Arnold Schulberg" Subject: RE: [AVALON] it's not allright Colleen (who thinks Colin Good is at the heart of the reasons many of you find _Frantic_ unsatisfying) Please elaborate, Colleen. I find the Belfast radio broadcast much more enjoyable than Frantic. Also listened to Bete Noire the other evening and would love to hear some of the songs on that album added to the tour. Arnie ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 13:30:28 +0100 From: "Rob Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] it's not allright I hadn't thought of this but now you mention it ...................... I wonder what Don't think twice would be like with Bryan on the piano. The Only Face was absolutely brilliant live with just Ferry on piano and vocal. I don't think it would have been improved by Colin Good. I'm not knocking him as such but wonder if he would have been better sticking to the ATGB stuff. Ferrys playing is more weighty and dark. Also Ferry could have made a lot more use of the piano in his more recent solo work. Rob > > Colleen (who thinks Colin Good is at the heart of the reasons many of you > find _Frantic_ unsatisfying) > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:56:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: RE: [AVALON] it's not allright On Wed, 10 Jul 2002, Arnold Schulberg wrote: > Colleen (who thinks Colin Good is at the heart of the reasons many of you > find _Frantic_ unsatisfying) > > > Please elaborate, Colleen. I think Colin's work on the _As Time Goes By_ tour was really wonderful--he brought an album I think is pretty pedestrian to some semblance of life on the tour, and I still very much like how he arranged some old Roxy/Ferry favorites and concert rarities. And he's very technically talented. But I think he's all surface and no depth. As I've said, I was not happy to see him on the Roxy tour last summer, along with the rest of the folks from the ATGB tour. In my opinion, the novelty of hearing "Sunset" performed by a small orchestra, and the positive reception it got, isn't the same thing as 'getting' Ferry/Roxy. I think what draws a great many of us to that music is the depth of emotion, a sense of humor, and a sense that it's working on a number of levels. I know I saw the 2 worst shows of the Roxy reunion so that colors my view of last summer, but I think having Colin have a hand in it, and adding people to the stage who were not part of Roxy broadened the reunion without deepening it. And as I almost always prefer depth over breadth, I didn't like it. I think Colin's glib musical sensibility is at work on the sea change from _Alphaville_ to _Frantic_. I wrote in my review of Frantic that as impressive as Colin is on "Don't Think Twice," it's all surface. It's like a player piano. He may be 100 times more talented than Mr. Ferry, but imagine if Bryan had recorded a piano track for DTT which was as impassioned as the vocal he put down. Think back to how amazing "The Only Face" was on the ATGB tour when Bryan took over the piano. There's the gulf that separates the too. Colin Good's influence on the tracks on Frantic, in my opinion, made them flatter and more "on the surface." Now the irony of course is that I like Frantic as a whole very much, with a few quibbles and a few exceptions. But that's because I like how this is a Ferry album which is unabashedly pop music (which is not a dirty word in my vocabulary) and which exists mostly on the surface. This is also not to say that I hope all of Mr. Ferry's forthcoming albums are like Frantic. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:19:56 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Things (Long Post Alert) "I hope that not all the songs from Alphaville are lost. Love War ... You Can Dance are far too good for a can somewhere." And I'd like to submit the title song "Alphaville' as a keeper, too! Thanks for your review, Rob! And, you didn't bore. Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:39:16 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is Good All Right? "... but imagine if Bryan had recorded a piano track for DTT which was as impassioned as the vocal he put down." I admit I am slightly bewildered that Bryan Ferry has relinquished so much of the piano and keyboard playing, as well as arrangement duties, to Colin Good. Ferry's playing and creative style is rather unique, and Good's style - while technically superior and proper - is, well, sterile. Has Ferry given up so much control because it may be a means by which he is able to by-step his apparent 'crippling perfectionism' and produce 'new' work in a timely fashion? Just trying to make some sense of it all, KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:41:57 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Colin Good's contribution to Ferry's music You read my mind - or is it, I read yours, since you beat me to the idea, Christian! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:52:01 -0700 (PDT) From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Is Good All Right? I thought Colin was a stuffy old guy until I met him at the Greek. I was walking to my car after the show and I saw Colin walking with two pretty girls he had obviously just met. I asked him for his autograph in hopes it would further help him score. He got in their car. It was funny because it was some beat up old Pinto or something. Anyway, his piano is fabulous. I get chills when I hear his intro to Song For Europe. *** New! SBC Yahoo! Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:14:39 +0000 From: "Christian H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Colin Good's contribution to Ferry's music - ---------- >Von: KB Porter >An: "avalon@smoe.org" >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] Colin Good's contribution to Ferry's music >Datum: Mit, 10. Jul 2002 15:41 Uhr > >You read my mind - or is it, I read yours, since you beat me >to the idea, Christian! > It might be the drill, KB - step forward, Neil Jones. As regarding 'Frantic', I consider some of Colin Good's contributions excellent, for example the piano on 'I Thought'. Besides, his virtuosity comes to play when something in the mould of Eddie Jobson's keyboard style is asked for (remember the beautiful very European intro to 'A Song For Europe' on the Roxy tour - I, at any rate, loved it). I agree with Rob on Ferry having a rather dark and sombre keyboard style; TOF on the ATGB tour was a great showcase for this. It seems to me Ferry is depressingly underrated as keyboard player. Listen to the impressionistic lines during his solo on the 2001 performances of 'My Only Love', for example - it's bliss. On 'Mamouna', Ferry played most of the keyboard tracks. IMHO, it's his most personal solo album, and the fact that he played so many keyboard lines on this material might have been one of the reasons for that. Christian NP: Peter Hammill - A Ritual Mask (not Dogs by Pink Floyd) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:48:51 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?jeanne=20louise?= Subject: [AVALON] Monte Carlo gigs My sister,who works in Monaco,says the public can go,there are still tickets available,50 pounds,every one sitting at a table,isn't it the kind of place Bryan can't stand?.JL. Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:47:15 -0400 From: "Maggie Curran" Subject: [AVALON] The Wrong Song PeteK wrote "Cruel or Nobody Loves Me would have been a much better promotional tool for the album." I quite agree! While Bryan did a good job with Don't Think Twice and while it was a pleasure for us to hear him in excellent voice, it was the wrong song. I can't see that the DTTIAR will win any new fans or sell copies of Frantic. I thought he might do Goddess Of Love; after all, he was in Hollywood! I don't understand. Cheers, Maggie _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 21:53:08 -0400 From: "Maggie Curran" Subject: [AVALON] Good Enough? Colleen, you are spot on re. the subject of Colin's influence on the Frantic album and the current tour. There's much to think about here and I've not yet thought it all through....but I'll be contemplating all this over next few days. When I listen to Frantic album, I think one of Colin's best performances is the "Don't Think Twice." More later. Best regards, Maggie _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://helios.unive.it/~tcecilia/meetup.html ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #233 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest