From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #209 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, June 19 2002 Volume 07 : Number 209 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know ["Stephen Scott" ] Re: [AVALON] I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know [Johnny Reece ] Re: [AVALON] I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know ["Strimples" ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic Ad Nauseum [David Firmin ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic Ad Nauseum [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know [Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know The Japanese version of David Bowie's Heathen also contains a bonus track (Wood Jackson). Sh*t track bonuses or not, Is it a kind of music industry thank you for a fantastic World Cup? Nah, didn't think so SMIB Stevie - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:55 PM Subject: [AVALON] I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know > Just received my copy of the Japanese version of Frantic. They use the word > bonus rather loosely when they mention 'I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know' > as a bonus track on this 14 song version. > > The 13 track version everywhere else should be re-labelled as 'Frantic' with > bonus omission. > > What did the Japanese do to deserve this? Maybe it is a new marketing > strategy:- put on such a terrible track at the end and it makes the rest of > the album sound like 'For Your Pleasure' > > I can see the headlines now:- > > John O'Brien In Doesn't Like A Ferry Track Shock!!!!!! > > I don't blame Ferry for experimenting with different genres of music. He has > had the sense in the past to recognise that some of his experiments are not > working and remain unreleased but how this one got the go ahead to be > released commercially I will never know, especially when there is so much > other quality tracks gathering dust. > > I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know doesn't even fit on this chameleon album > of changing moods. I don't think it even makes a good extra track or b-side. > At #28 for an import I would have been better buying my daughter a Crayola > Colouring Set so that her next Ferry portrait will be in colour > > > KB Porter asked me the other day if there is anything about Roxy/Ferry I > don't know, well here is one: > > Why did he bother to record such a sh*t song so badly?? > > John O'Brien > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:09:59 -0400 From: "John M. Gray" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lyrics On Sleeves The only other "hidden" jewel here may be "Carrickfergus" on TBSB. As I have never seen the original lyrics, maybe Ferry altered them somewhat to overcome the legalities. Anyway, it's good to know that after we have spent all our pocket money buying the original vinyl LPs, singles, CDs, Best Ofs....They have the audacicity to let us know what he's actually singing in the re-masters...... Always a fan, John, PS: Come on Brazil......... - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 5:23 PM Subject: [AVALON] Lyrics On Sleeves > In a message dated 18/06/02 22:10:10 GMT Daylight Time, npj23@hotmail.com > writes: > > > > > By the way, I don't think I ever saw an album with no lyrics of the songs > > that the artist didn't write. I suppose it's because of the rights, but I > > don't know (I'd be glad if someone explained it). Anyway, it doesn't look > > very nice! > > > > > > The only time Ferry/Roxy had the Lyrics to a cover version on the sleeve was > on Flesh & Blood, the More Than This Compilation and As Time Goes By. I think > there is a copyright issue and that they have to pay further duty on printing > the lyrics as well as for recording the song in the first place. > > All the jewel case remasters have the lyrics in them for all the albums > except the 2 live ones, I guess they decided to pick up the tab for the > copyright on these versions. > > J.O'B. > (well it's either write this or watch Big Brother) > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:16:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnny Reece Subject: Re: [AVALON] I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know - --- OBrienFerry@aol.com wrote: > I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know doesn't even fit > on this chameleon album > of changing moods. I don't think it even makes a > good extra track or b-side. > > Why did he bother to record such a sh*t song so > badly?? > Seconded ! File along with Four Letter Love, You Are My Sunshine, and One Way Love. Reecey... (ready to be flamed) Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:41:42 -0500 From: "paula brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know >I don't blame Ferry for experimenting with different genres of music. He has had the sense in the past to recognise that some of his experiments are not working and remain unreleased but how this one got the go ahead to be released commercially I will never know, especially when there is so much other quality tracks gathering dust.< What does everyone think about the Mother of Pearl from Horoscope? At least, I'm ONLY assuming that's where the one I have came from. I have no idea, really. And if that is Spector, she is virtually indistinguishable from Ferry in the background, which is too bad, because I love her power and tone. Maybe what I have is something else. If so, clue me in. It sounds spare and goes on way too long. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:35:54 -0700 From: "David Firmin" Subject: Re: [AVALON] I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know I've never heard that one. I do like 'You Are My Sunshine', and 'One Way Love'. For b-sides, 'Which Way To Turn' sure brought the 'Baby Blue' single to a screeching halt. It goes on forever. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnny Reece" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know > --- OBrienFerry@aol.com wrote: > > > I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know doesn't even fit > > on this chameleon album > > of changing moods. I don't think it even makes a > > good extra track or b-side. > > > > Why did he bother to record such a sh*t song so > > badly?? > > > > > Seconded ! File along with Four Letter Love, You Are > My Sunshine, and One Way Love. > > Reecey... (ready to be flamed) > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:06:21 +0100 From: "Philip Adams" Subject: Fw: [AVALON] I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know Paula Brown wrote.. > What does everyone think about the Mother of Pearl from Horoscope? Its a great track, a revelation - in its own way as good as the original. I like the way it slips into a groove, very modern , well mid-nineties modern. Great vocal, Ferry fading in and out,...super backing , neat guitar and an imaginative arrangement. This version would work better live than the original. .... in a laid-back, nightclubbing kind of way. Here comes the sax.....oh -oh, oh -oh......'nother girl.... So who did "I forgot more than you'll ever know" originally, and who did "one way love"? . All of the reviews of Frantic have mentioned either Dylan, Nix, Leadbelly but not the singer(s) of "One way love". > But if there's a way of hearing "alphaville". > > > Philip > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:07:43 -0700 From: "Keith Shockley" Subject: [AVALON] Bowie on conan (off-topic) Bowie will appear on tuesday night's (tonight's) Conan O" Brien. Keith NP: Fool for Love / Bryan Ferry ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:22:56 -0400 From: "Strimples" Subject: Re: [AVALON] I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know From what I heard artists get extra royalties for bonus tracks, only in certain countries I guess. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Scott To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know > The Japanese version of David Bowie's Heathen also contains a bonus track > (Wood Jackson). > Sh*t track bonuses or not, Is it a kind of music industry thank you for a > fantastic World Cup? > > Nah, didn't think so > > SMIB > > Stevie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:55 PM > Subject: [AVALON] I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know > > > > Just received my copy of the Japanese version of Frantic. They use the > word > > bonus rather loosely when they mention 'I Forgot More Than You'll Ever > Know' > > as a bonus track on this 14 song version. > > > > The 13 track version everywhere else should be re-labelled as 'Frantic' > with > > bonus omission. > > > > What did the Japanese do to deserve this? Maybe it is a new marketing > > strategy:- put on such a terrible track at the end and it makes the rest > of > > the album sound like 'For Your Pleasure' > > > > I can see the headlines now:- > > > > John O'Brien In Doesn't Like A Ferry Track Shock!!!!!! > > > > I don't blame Ferry for experimenting with different genres of music. He > has > > had the sense in the past to recognise that some of his experiments are > not > > working and remain unreleased but how this one got the go ahead to be > > released commercially I will never know, especially when there is so much > > other quality tracks gathering dust. > > > > I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know doesn't even fit on this chameleon > album > > of changing moods. I don't think it even makes a good extra track or > b-side. > > At #28 for an import I would have been better buying my daughter a Crayola > > Colouring Set so that her next Ferry portrait will be in colour > > > > > > KB Porter asked me the other day if there is anything about Roxy/Ferry I > > don't know, well here is one: > > > > Why did he bother to record such a sh*t song so badly?? > > > > John O'Brien > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ___ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ___ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:58:50 -0700 From: "PeteK" Subject: [AVALON] Frantic Ad Nauseum It suddenly dawns on me, that every track on Frantic has been praised and criticised. Which makes me think of the classic line from Supertramp about 'There is no need for us to fight because we both know that we are right'. Has anyone ever convinced someone on this list that they shouldn't like what they do or vice versa ? I'll answer my own question..of course not. OK, now for more trivia, aside from Bernie Taupin's lyrical credit on Dance with Life, how do Bryan Ferry and Elton John's musical Careers intersect ? Running out of Time. NP Stan Ridgway Harry Truman. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:07:30 -0700 (PDT) From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic Ad Nauseum They both auditioned for King Crimson? - --- PeteK wrote: > more trivia, aside from Bernie Taupin's lyrical > credit on Dance with Life, how > do Bryan Ferry and Elton John's musical Careers > intersect ? Running out of > Time. *** ===== Yahoo! 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NP Ben Folds, Golden slumbers Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:14:43 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic Ad Nauseum The both recorded a song for the 'Good Rockin Tonight' Sun tribute album. Tracy >how do Bryan Ferry and Elton John's musical Careers intersect ? _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:44:28 +0200 From: Bahi Para Subject: Re: [AVALON] I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know OBrienFerry@aol.com wrote: > What did the Japanese do to deserve this? Maybe it is a new marketing > strategy:- put on such a terrible track at the end and it makes the > rest of > the album sound like 'For Your Pleasure' [...] > > Why did he bother to record such a sh*t song so badly?? I grabbed a copy of this some time before AudioGalaxy did their deal. (I'll buy it if it's ever legitimately available here but wasn't going to spring for a Japanese import.) And I hated it, too. Some weeks later, it's sounding better than quite a few of Frantic's 13. I'm not saying it's going to happen for everyone but stick with it if you can bear to. B ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #209 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest