From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #203 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, June 14 2002 Volume 07 : Number 203 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Dreamhome 2001 ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] Dreamhome on New Town - Filmed in Glasgow? [philipcadams@lin] [AVALON] Belfast CDR re-weed, etc. [gattogatto@tin.it] [AVALON] Mats Andersson Interpretations [Aleks Kocan ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Frantic-debate [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Dream Home Viva! and Bogus Man FYP ["Grant Goggans" ] [AVALON] Re: Covers ["Grant Goggans" ] Re: [AVALON] Dreamhome on New Town - Filmed in Glasgow? ["thom.wallace" <] Re: [AVALON] Re: Covers & vinyl collections. ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] More For Your Pleasure... THE TRUTH!!! [Johnny Reece ] [AVALON] A solution to the "Topic" debate ["Grant Goggans" ] Re: [AVALON] A solution to the "Topic" debate [KB Porter ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:24:56 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dreamhome 2001 >>> 06/13 5:45 pm >>> > I find that Colin Good gives great attention to detail on his arrangements of the Roxy/Ferry > back catalogue until the point of being clinically correct in every note he plays compared > to the recorded version. I was surprised he had the tempo of IEDAH so far out on a song > that just can't afford any more pace. It wasn't just the quickened pace, it was also Colin's smirk and wobbly head, moving in tandem with his foot tapping the BPM. The finishing touch would have been a deck chair-style stripy jacket and HEY PRESTO!!! You're in the Blackpool Tower Ballroom for a Wurlitzer recital. Too jolly by far. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:24:59 +0100 From: philipcadams@lineone.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dreamhome on New Town - Filmed in Glasgow? Some one on the list said before that they recognised people in the Glasgow audience in the New Town video. I think the non-concert footage in the video gives a very "European", i.e continental European feel to the whole thing. It is also called Bryan Ferry Live in Europe. Glasgow is of course in Europe and once the European City of Culture. Philip >Is my "oldtimer" memory being selective and hazy or am I correct? Did Bryan >say "Takes you back, Huh?" at the end of every performance of Dreamhome on >that tour? Paris may seem a bit more exotic (in a marketing sort of way!) >than Glasgow but was it filmed in Glasgow for the reknowned Roxy/Ferry >audience response? > >The truth must be told! > > >Love & Respect to all > > >Stevie > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon >Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:34:34 +0200 From: gattogatto@tin.it Subject: [AVALON] Belfast CDR re-weed, etc. Thanks to the wonderful Mr. Sweeney, I'm ready to re-weed the Bryan Ferry Belfast CDR. OT: Yesterday I made my HP 7200+ CD burner work again. I had to lubricate the laser head rails (with vaseline). Pretty complicated stuff:))(that's the Philips CDD 3610)(it usually is a HW/mech problem with CD burners, ot seems...). Anyway, requests from Italy appreciated, otherwise from Europe or all over the world. 3 copies. Pl. specify country in e-mail. Winners will be notified (in a coupla days, I get the digest, as many of you might). Pl. reply privately to gattogatto@tin.it. BTW, I have a copy on vinyl of a rare Roxy boot LP, Air Treatments, also Manifesto pic disc that I'd like to sell/trade (also vinyl 45s from Italy, all Roxy, Eno-7 Deadly, etc.). Ciao, Cipresso/Lan ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 05:14:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: [AVALON] Mats Andersson Interpretations Might sound crazy but I really do think that Mat's "interpretations" are really good. Must say that probably my favourite of the ones he's done is "Love Is The Drug".... Wonder if he plans to "engineer" a few more??? Aleks - --- Karen Swenson wrote: > My favorite interpretation of The Bogus Man is by > Avalonian Mats Andersson Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:26:22 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Frantic-debate Marlana justly reasons with us: "Whatever they were reaching for as different somehow succeeded. I think this one will grab some new listeners because it is easy to listen to & some good cuts on it. I think this was the intention all along was to catch more masses into Ferry's fold. This will keep him touring longer people who never saw him before & who like Frantic will want to see in person what this is all about." I hope "Frantic" accomplishes that objective - but I fear it will only, at best, be marginally successful given the current state of non promotion in my area, the greater Washington, D.C. / Baltimore region. Frantic came to market without mention in the advertisement flyers from the standard sellers of electronics and records. I recall that "As Time Goes By" and the more recent ?Roxy Music compilation? were featured in said flyers the week of their release. But nothing this time. Also, I am unaware of any major radio stations playing any tunes off "Frantic". That can not be good. By contrast, David Bowie has released an album and supports it with a tour in the vastly huge market called the United States, sits for interviews for print and electronic media. This morning, Bowie is performing live on The Plaza at Rockefeller Center for NBC's Today show's Summer Concert Series. This appearance alone will probably result in more record sales of "Heathen" than cumulative sales of "Frantic" generated the first three months after its release. Bowie's market machine has always been aggressive and progressive. Something Ferry's force lost somewhere along "Siren" or "Avalon". Guess Jerry Hall threw a wrench into it! Thanks for replying, Marlana. It is good to hear others thoughts on these weighty Ferry matters. Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:27:04 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dream Home Viva! and Bogus Man FYP >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:19:26 EDT >From: InterEireann@AOL.COM >Subject: [AVALON] Dream Home Viva! and Bogus Man FYP > >Many here prefer , it seems ,Dream Home on FYP. Personally, I think the >Viva! >version is much better even if it is not a true live version. Perhaps I >like >the heavier feel to it thanks to Paul Thompson. Conversely, I have alway >thought that Bogus Man sounded better on FYP , particularly the second half >of it...which sounds much better through headphones....a progressive track >as >it was then which I thought never transalated well live. Really? I've always thought the Viva! version of Dream Home was awful, in part because the decision to add heavy drums distracts too much from a part that should have been quiet. The Bogus Man is even worse, thanks mainly to Bry singing in that weird, hammy voice... "Uhhhh- baaaaawt Deeee- cepppppp- shuuuuuunnn". BTW, Ray, thanks for the correction on "Three Lions" not being a World Cup theme at all. - --Grant _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:27:18 +0200 From: gattogatto@tin.it Subject: [AVALON] Air Treatments-slight amendment Ehm...I've had many requests for this item. I really don't want to sell it (I was offered a nice sum at a record fair, it seems a quite rare item, so I'd like it to go to a serious Bry/Roxy collector, not just a rare-label-boot collector)... I'd prefer a trade...I don't want a quick buck, but this nice item (and others) is sitting there, better go where it's more appreciated:) I was an avid Roxy/Ferry/Eno collector on vinyl...(at 14 I travelled some400 miles to see Roxy in Montreaux for Manifesto, yes a FAN). I switched to digital. I haven't got any Bry/Roxy CDRs. I'm looking for soundboard/studio, etc. (I loved Foolproof on vinyl, also Champagne and Novocaine). Maybe I'd better write a list of what I have on vinyl... Well, just I dunno what to do...Any suggestions?:) Ciao Lan/Cipresso form Torino/Italy Sweeney...sorry Lady...thank you ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:40:33 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Off topic...a plea! Yea, but unless you work on a turf farm, sodding hell is not particularly nice. [This list is really a kind of hobby for most of us. Does anybody else think that lightening up might be a good idea? Jonathan In a message dated 13/06/02 15:12:04 GMT Daylight Time, cjem@his.com writes: > Forget I said anything. If this is the level of list conversation and > basic manners you all find preferable: > > > From: KWil632057@aol.com > > > Sodding hell.] ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:37:05 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Covers >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:52:57 -0500 >From: Karen Swenson >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dream Home Viva! and Bogus Man FYP > (snip) >That makes me think, anyone got any favorite or hated covers of RM/BF? I'd >have to pick the Divinyl's Love is the Drug as most hated. Favorite? Maybe >the Loud Family's RMRM--quelle hommage!. Weirdest? Gotta be Jimmy Scott's >Slave to Love. I'd actually name any of the four that were "sung" by Thom Yorke on Velvet Goldmine as the worst. My wife, who's a big Placebo fan, was pleased to see that in the movie, Brian Molko sings the German part of "Bittersweet," and I wonder how that one would have come off if Molko had sung the whole thing, instead of Yorke. (In fact, the scene above was the only scene in that stupid movie she liked at all, and it was about three seconds long.) My favorite, and it's not like there's a very crowded field, would be the Banshees' "Sea Breezes." - --Grant _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:51:08 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dreamhome on New Town - Filmed in Glasgow? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dreamhome on New Town - Filmed in Glasgow? > Some one on the list said before that they recognised people in the Glasgow > audience in the New Town video. > I think the non-concert footage in the video gives a very "European", i.e > continental European feel to the whole thing. It is also called Bryan Ferry > Live in Europe. Glasgow is of course in Europe and once the European City > of Culture. > > Philip To my knowledge the "New Town" video was complied from various shows on the tour so there my well be some Glasgow footage in there. However the soundtrack to the video is supposed to be from Glasgow in its entirity. Cheers, Tom. You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:09:46 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Covers & vinyl collections. www.soundhouse-music.co.uk I had a catalogue through the post this morning, the following may be of interest. Concerto 2LP #13.10. Concerto 2CD #8.30 A Tribute to Roxy Music- More FYP. #3.30. Is this worth the money??!! sounds BAD. As TGY LP #8.30. Frantic LP #8.30 IAON,BB Maxi-CD #4.45. OFF TOPIC I KNOW BUT! Mick Ronson: Memorial Concert 2CD #8.95. Does anyone have this and is it any good? Steve Harley: Unplugged CD #2.90. Terry "O" NP: Heathen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:13:53 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re: Hard Rains...(On Topic) I saw an alternate video for Bryan Ferrys (who he?) version of Hard Rains...which features him at the piano but in the white tuxedo on a satellite channel ...are there two videos for this song? I've only ever seen the black tshirt version.... Jonathan n/p Graham Simpson 'Simpson's Acoustic Garage Sessions Volume 16' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:19:22 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] More For Your Pleasure... THE TRUTH!!! >>> "terrypaulrigz8c" 06/14 2:09 pm >>> > A Tribute to Roxy Music- More FYP. #3.30. Is this worth the money??!! sounds BAD. So long as you don't pay too much for it, it's fine. But the truth is... the songs on the CD are all from the cheapy Top Of The Pops covers albums we used to get in the 70s. There's also a few tracks from other "tribute" cover albums. The exceptions are Arthur Brown and whoever attacks Virginia Plain (was it SLAMM?). SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:20:16 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Hard Rains...(On Topic) Musicladen perhaps? SimonG >>> 06/14 2:13 pm >>> I saw an alternate video for Bryan Ferrys (who he?) version of Hard Rains...which features him at the piano but in the white tuxedo on a satellite channel ...are there two videos for this song? I've only ever seen the black tshirt version.... Jonathan n/p Graham Simpson 'Simpson's Acoustic Garage Sessions Volume 16' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:24:39 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dreamhome on New Town - Filmed in Glasgow? >Is my "oldtimer" memory being selective and hazy or am I correct? Did Bryan >say "Takes you back, Huh?" at the end of every performance of Dreamhome on >that tour? No, he probably did say it on every show of the tour, having scripted it during rehearsals. ;-) SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:22:14 EDT From: KWil632057@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] Re: One Way Love Isn't it horrid? Not only does this one get released as a bloody single, but there are no new tracks to tempt those with musical taste. The completests amongst us will be cross by this, while the public wont even bother attempting to find out which record shops sell this underpromoted release. One Way Love? One Way to ruin your career Bryan. Jonathan n/p Graham Simpson 'Simpson's Acoustic Garage Sessions Volume 17' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:31:06 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic "I do love A Fool For Love but if it falls down at all it may be something in the arrangement that is not quite right (I'm not qualified to say what), I think it failed miserably as a live track in Belfast, mainly due to to Bryans lifeless vocal. On the album the centre section "Like Flowers in the Rain" etc, is electrifying and reminds me of how "Just like Me" makes me shudder with lost love feelings, it's been along time since the Master did that with a lyric of his own." Yes, and I suppose the inclusion of the 'like flowers in the rain... you really hurt my pride' lyrics in A Fool For Love on Frantic means we'll never see Love War from Alphaville see daylight in the published record market. Pity, since Love War is excellent, IMO! ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 06:38:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnny Reece Subject: Re: [AVALON] More For Your Pleasure... THE TRUTH!!! - --- Simon Galloway wrote: and whoever attacks > Virginia Plain (was it SLAMM?). > the Slamm version was horrendous, as was the version by Spizz Energi. This is why we still have the death penalty in some places, should this occur again. Reecey... Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:56:06 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Atlanta 7/26/01... even less likely to be a soundboard Hey traders: I was speaking with a taper I met in a Yahoogroup who gave me a little background on ALDs, and was fairly certain the Roxy 7/26 show is one of these, and not a true soundboard. I've contended that it was a monitor mix, but this explains how it was recorded. ALD stands for "assisted listening device," the latest thayng in bootlegging. As a provision of the Americans with Disabilities Act, concert venues must provide a headset and some kind of receiver to anyone who states that they have a hearing disability. The venue must then transmit the show -- probably the same mix which is fed to the monitors on stage -- to the receiver. So what a bootlegger does is bring an MD-recorder in his boot, connect it to the receiver to record the signal, and watch the show with an unplugged headset around his ears. Then the taper returns the receiver and the headset and leaves the venue with an FM monitor mix of the show. No more bribing a soundman a hundred bucks to patch your recorder and get a soundboard; just take unscrupulous advantage of the ADA and a great-quality show is yours. This is the case with one of the copies of Paul McCartney's show in Washington DC, which has gotten rave reviews from traders. I've had a few very well-travelled traders listen to the "soundboard" recording of Roxy in Atlanta last July and tell me it's certainly a "monitor mix," and this latest discussion ended with the guy saying it was very probably derived from an ALD. So Roxy traders might want to think about updating their trade lists to reflect this. An interesting article from the Seattle Times on the subject: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/entertainment/html98/boot01_20000801.html - --Grant _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:37:28 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Covers & vinyl collections. >From: "terrypaulrigz8c" >To: "Grant Goggans" , >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Covers & vinyl collections. >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:09:46 +0100 Terry found the following in a catalog: >A Tribute to Roxy Music- More FYP. #3.30. Is this worth the money??!! >sounds >BAD. If this is the one with the embarassing airbrush picture of a model looking out over the Golden Gate Bridge, it certainly is. I listened to a few of the tracks in a groovy used CD store called Ella Guru* (the owner is just as eccentric as the name implies) but I'm not nearly as much as a completist as owning this album would demand. Perhaps the reason so few artists try to cover Bry's songs (as he has noted) is that it's so very hard to get them right and so very easy to screw them up. *Whenever I see the name "Ella Guru" (named after a Captain Beefheart song) I sing it to the tune of T.Rex's "Metal Guru." >Terry "O" >NP: Heathen ...I heard Heathen for the first time last night and have to declare it utterly remarkable. - --Grant _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:01:33 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Covers & vinyl collections. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Goggans To: ; Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Covers & vinyl collections. > > *Whenever I see the name "Ella Guru" (named after a Captain Beefheart song) > I sing it to the tune of T.Rex's "Metal Guru." Have you heard Badly Drawn Boys new single?, I don't know what its called but it starts exactly like an acoustic Metal Guru. > > >Terry "O" > >NP: Heathen > > ...I heard Heathen for the first time last night and have to declare it > utterly remarkable. > > --Grant Wouldn't go that far, but I growing & growing. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:14:05 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Fw: [AVALON] Re: Covers & vinyl collections. - ----- Original Message ----- From: terrypaulrigz8c To: terrypaulrigz8c Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Covers & vinyl collections. Correct that before anyone sends the Police around!! > > > Wouldn't go that far, but It's growing & growing. > > > > Terry "O" > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 11:48:16 -0400 From: Chandla911@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] BF in Crans-sur-Nyon Hi, I am writing this in Switzerland waiting for tonight4s show by BF and Marianne Faithfull on the same bill of the Caribana Festival in Crans-sur-Nyon. Please note NOT Cragny-sur-Nyon as appears on some websites. Unlike the gloomy weather forecasts, it is sunny, very hot, around 30 degrees (or 80s F) and perfect for the outdoor gig. Sorry to anyone who went to Edinburgh or Denmark... I will write a report of the gig when I get back to the UK on Sunday... Best wishes Richard Mills PS Simon, met David Richards at Mountain Studios, Montreux, yesterday. He is recording ALL of the Montreux Festival artists this year (as usual) including Bowie, for possible live album issues. Sound good? BTW when Tony Visconti introduced Philip Glass last night at RFH, he said Bowie WOULD be playing same set as Roseland NY (whole of Low + Heathen albums) when he does June 29. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:40:13 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic - ----- Original Message ----- From: KB Porter > Yes, and I suppose the inclusion of the 'like flowers in the > rain... you really hurt my pride' lyrics in A Fool For Love > on Frantic means we'll never see Love War from Alphaville > see daylight in the published record market. Pity, since > Love War is excellent, IMO! I don't see why it couldn't be used as an extra track for a single release. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:06:33 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] A solution to the "Topic" debate Maybe splitting the group into two separate ones isn't the answer. Perhaps we should split it into... seventeen. Degree program: Doctor of Roxymusicology Offered through Newcastle University's off-campus program and the hosting services of smoe.org Requirements: 40 credit hours, including successful completion of AVN101 (prerequisite for all other courses), AVN202 and AVN593H, and a dissertation evaluated by three (3) instructors Courses: AVN101: Introduction to Avalon (5 hours) The basics of Bryan, Topics include top-five lists, your first concert, release dates, whether Roxy is Roxy without Paul Thompson (lecture by Prof. Pete Seely) and general discussion about the excessive number of musicians used in the 1980s. AVN102: Advanced Avalonia (5 hours) This course details some of the more arcane elements of Roxy fandom. Topics will include a history of fan activities, a compare/contrast study of various web sites, details of Bry's unreleased albums and their sordid illegal history, "eBay: How it works for you," a workshop by TMOQ on how bootlegs aren't evil, and an investigation into the bad rep Avalon gets on the Official Message Board and on the RMWF. Required text: _Jim Lawn: Hoopy Frood or Blue Meanie_, edited by Thom Wallace and KB Porter. AVN201: Current Releases (5 hours) Topics in this course change between semesters. Currently, students will spend time on the sequencing of the Frantic CD before a final paper comparing and contrasting "San Simeon" and "In Every Dream Home a Heartache." AVN202: The 1970s (5 hours) Your instructor Johnny Reece leads in-depth discussion of this thrilling time in Bry's career. After ten weeks, students will spend time in one of two workshops led by TAs: "Jesus, The Bride Stripped Bare is An Overrated Bore" taught by Grant Goggans, or the somewhat larger "No It Isn't and You Don't Know What You're Talking About" by David Firmin. AVN203: The 1980s (5 hours) Professor Maggie Curran teaches from her text _Bete Noire: Viva le resistance!_ Extra credit courses available in the history of the Explorers. AVN204: The 1990s (3 hours) Simon Galloway explains how many more albums Bowie released this decade, and how they were better. AVN205: Tour 2001 (3 hours) Participants will add to an ongoing text so large it will make that arm-breaking Beatles Anthology book seem small by comparison. AVN301: The Live Experience (5 hours) John O'Brien leads an energetic course in how to get the best seats at every concert, take photos and write reviews. A 56k or better net connection is required, along with a long-suffering associate on the other side who gets to code all your articles while you drink in foreign countries. AVN302: Jealousy and the Live Experience (2 hours) A lecture by Chris Turner, discussing people who whine inordinately about the fact that they don't get the best seat at every concert, never meet Bry, don't have all these fancy collectibles, and whenever you demand webmasters give them to you, they never bloody respond. AVN303: Capturing the Live Experience (5 hours) Instructor anonymous. AVN304: Getting copies of the Live Experience (5 hours) Instructors overwhelmed. AVN305: Botany (5 hours) Instructor Jocelyn Fiske. AVN401: Dressing for Success (2 hours) Professor M talks at length about her wardrobe. And Neil Hannon. AVN402: The "In" Crowd (2 hours) By invitation only. These people don't exist. AVN403: Conspiracy Theory (3 hours) These people think that they do. Principal course requirement is to assemble a complete list of known Roxy-related live recordings from people's "now playing" sign-off, and to determine exactly who leaked what mix from what studio. AVN501: The Future of Avalon (5 hours, although it feels like months) Debate-styled course about the nature of "topic" and where it belongs. AVN593H: Avalonian Emeritus (5 hours) An intense-level course for the true Avalonian. Your undergraduate work has brought you to this level, where Dr. Colleen Matan considers posts of a minimum 500-word length regarding only true intellectual consideration of the Ferry canon and its place in contemporary rock criticism. Dissertations are expected to be a minimum 25,000 words in length and cite a minimum 40 sources, three of which must be new to the bibliography and not lifted from anybody's web site. ...I anticipate that this should solve most of this group's problems. - --Grant _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:49:35 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] BF in Crans-sur-Nyon - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 4:48 PM Subject: [AVALON] BF in Crans-sur-Nyon Sound good? BTW when Tony Visconti introduced Philip Glass last night at RFH, he said Bowie WOULD be playing same set as Roseland NY (whole of Low + Heathen albums) when he does June 29. Now can someone with a hearing problems get themselves in there and connected to the desk please!. Terry "O" NP: Led Zep/ Kashmir ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:34:44 -0700 From: "David Firmin" Subject: Re: [AVALON] A solution to the "Topic" debate No 'Bride' isn't an overrated bore and you don't know what you're talking about :) In fact, last week when Bryan was in Belfast he was interviewed by BBC Northern Ireland for a television series on famous Irish songs hosted by Brian Kennedy. The interview centered around the recording of 'Carrickfergus' from 'Bride'. Picked that up from Fezzy's site. David - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Goggans" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:06 AM Subject: [AVALON] A solution to the "Topic" debate > AVN202: The 1970s (5 hours) > Your instructor Johnny Reece leads in-depth discussion of this thrilling > time in Bry's career. After ten weeks, students will spend time in one of > two workshops led by TAs: "Jesus, The Bride Stripped Bare is An Overrated > Bore" taught by Grant Goggans, or the somewhat larger "No It Isn't and You > Don't Know What You're Talking About" by David Firmin. *** ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:30:00 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Frantic debate Thanks KBP, like you I haven't heard anything on radio in my area of Frantic. I know the record store sells lots of Ferry's albums as they are gone as I'm always cking to see how they move off the shelves. Same with Roxy. At least the papers did a bit on the album & rated it a B.--- I did see Bowie on Letterman the other night doing a # from Heathen . I liked it a lot & it is getting airplay but Bowie isn't a stranger to us as he's made himself available. He's touring now & he will be coming this way. He looked great & I have seen him in concert & he puts on quite a show so if I can I will see him. I still hope that Ferry's tour will bring him to my part of the country.In the meantime I will just listen to more of Frantic & rub my angel tattoo & see if that want help get him here. It's been beneficial for me on other occasions so just maybe!!!!!!!! Marlana....................................................... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:12:38 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic "I don't see why it couldn't be used as an extra track for a single release." With or without the lyrics that were grafted onto Fool For Love? ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:27:31 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] A solution to the "Topic" debate [ Degree program: Doctor of Roxymusicology Offered through Newcastle University's off-campus program and the hosting services of smoe.org ] EXCELLENT! Grant, that was SUPERB, CLEVER and VERY FUNNY! You ARE the Dean of Roxymusicology! Best wishes from an undergraduate, KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:44:19 EDT From: Stevesiren@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Cover on TV Tonight at 12:50pm on BBC 1 in the uk there's a programme on called Re:Covered in which Jamiriqui iare performing "Love is the Drug", should be interesting! If anyone cares, please note my new email address. Steve "Is Vic There?" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:52:17 EDT From: Stevesiren@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AVALON] More For Your Pleasure... THE TRUTH!!! In a message dated 6/14/02 02:39:19 GMT Daylight Time, reecey593@yahoo.co.uk writes: > the Slamm version was horrendous, as was the version > by Spizz Energi. > Can't argue with the Spizz version, but I've got a soft spot for the Slamm one, wasn't it Stock Aitkin & Watermans attempt at recreating Take That? Very poppy with a typical SAW arrangement, I know it's not a great cover, but I'll give it 6 out of 10. Steve (never did have any taste) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:56:59 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Music pictures The good folks at Virgin Sweden have e-mailed me high resolution pictures of vintage Roxy. My Phil Manzanera interview runs in the magazine I am editing, since the DVD is released in Sweden, it's in Swedish and if someone is remotely intrested I can e-mail a pdf and someone can publish it on the web. If anyone is intrested in publishing the pictures on the web (they are several MB each so e-mailing in bulk is not recomended), please write me off list. Now OT warnings. First, here's a musical hint: Legendary soul singer Solomon Burke has had songs given to him by Bob Dylan, Brian Wilson, Van Morrison, Elvis Costello, Nick Lowe, Tom Waits and Dan Penn for his upcoming album "Don't give up on me", out in July. With "Frantic", my wife knicked it to the car so I have not heard it in a while, "Don't give up on me" ia the best album I've heard this year. Have a good weekend. I am cleaning the house. We're moving and if you want to peek at our current house, up for sale, see the real estate agent http://www.uppvik.nu/326_asperod_kivik.html Now here is on off-topic re the world cup in football or soccer. If you don't want to read it, do not scroll (It's only 421 characters so don't panic). We'll see if Sweden beats Senegal. The victory over Argentina is called Dagmar Hagelin's revenge, Dagmar Hagelin was a Swedish teenager murdered by the Argentinian junta 25 years ago, her killer is convicted for killing French nuns in absentia. If he leaves Argentina several European countries wants him. I have seldom felt so good after Sweden scored 1-0, less good after 1-1, but over half of Sweden watched the game. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #203 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest