From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #201 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, June 13 2002 Volume 07 : Number 201 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] RE: World Cup OT [KWil632057@AOL.COM] [AVALON] World Cup OT ["S Thomsen" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry-World Cup 2002 ["Martin Stockman" ] [AVALON] Re: Off-topic O'Brien's chest implant and music -READ ME ["paul] Re: [AVALON] San Simeon ["paula brown" ] Re: [AVALON] Off topic! [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] San Simeon [Daniel Atterbom ] [AVALON] OT - World Cup /Ferry link - Last one for the evening. ["notdixo] [AVALON] TOTAL RECALL [=?iso-8859-1?q?john=20barry?= ] [AVALON] OT and music stuff ["M. Taylor" ] Re: [AVALON] San Simeon/Dreamhome ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] does traffic make off-topic on-topic? If so... [PAthas4715@] [AVALON] Dreamhome [OBrienFerry@AOL.COM] [AVALON] Frantic ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] [AVALON] M off topic list [=?iso-8859-1?q?jeanne=20louise?= ] [AVALON] Queen of Avalon? ["Alan Heaton" ] [AVALON] Re: Frantic [MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.)] Re: [AVALON] ENOUGH ["paula brown" ] [AVALON] Dreamhome ["Tracy Connell" ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic ["paula brown" ] Re: [AVALON] Dreamhome [JFROXY@AOL.COM] Re: [AVALON] The Dylan Songs on Frantic..... ["Mark Yates" ] [AVALON] The Dylan Songs on Frantic/Frantic as an album. ["thom.wallace" ] [AVALON] Re: [Avalon] San Simeon ["thom.wallace" ] [AVALON] off topic -a new idea ["Han Snijders" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:08:03 EDT From: KWil632057@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] RE: World Cup OT Football Link! Most football teams score while abroad as does.....oops! >And while I'm here....... Bryan Ferry recorded a track with Roxy called "Love Is The drug". Drugs, of course, are used to enhance the performance of many a World Cup team. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:13:40 +0200 From: "S Thomsen" Subject: [AVALON] World Cup OT Well.....didn't we all have "a ball" last year at the Roxy concerts...with the old "team". And the "Coach" just gets better Stefan, Denmark ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:20:08 +0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry-World Cup 2002 Mustn't grumble Jock, Scotland haven't lost a game in this tournament. - ---------- From: OBrienFerry@aol.com To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Ferry-World Cup 2002 Date: Thu, Jun 13, 2002, 12:44 pm Connect Ferry to the World Cup, now let me see Mmmmmm..... Ferry has recorded Dylan (4 times) Dylan wrote and recorded Route 66 Portugal scored a hat trick, the commentators mentioned Englands hat trick in 1966 Cameroon fielded two brothers, the commentators mentioned Englands Charlton brothers in 1966 The holders France went out in the first round, the commentators mentioned that the last time the holders went out in the first round was 1966 when England won it. In fact, if "The Auchinshoogle Arms" V "The Grouse & Stag" were playing in the "Outer Hebrides Pub League" the commentators would still find some way to mention the 1966 World Cup. ;-) Jock McBrien P.S. no Jealous Guy jokes in reply ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:19:33 -0400 From: OBrienFerry@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] San Simeon/Dreamhome I am with Tracy on the San Simeon debate. I have always thought the track's strength begins and ends with its lyrics which for me is never enough. The song conjures up great images etc but the lyrics could have been chanted/half spoken over any melancholic backing. Like Dreamhome, as it's parallelled with often, the lack of melody in the vocal line forces you to listen to the lyrics and maybe that is intentional by BF. I first heard the recorded version of Dreamhome in 1979 and didn't like it then and still don't now. I found it the stand out on the 1988 tour and the live version on the New Town video and a 1988 live version on a b-side (Your Painted Smile I think) are one of my favourite Ferry vocal performances where the eeriness in his voice makes the song almost hypnotic forcing you to listen to every word. IEDAH was played too fast during the 2001 tour which spoiled it for me. Maybe a live version of San Simeon could compel me to the track more. J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 01:21:25 +1000 From: "notdixon" Subject: [AVALON] OT - More tedious Ferry/World Cup links.... - ---- Original Message ----- From: Fiske, Jocelyn (Sorry you got this twice Jocelyn!) > Eno's head as a soccer ball seems to be in the lead connection wise at the > moment. > > That moth could be winging it's way to you Doug - well...if it > wasn't...dead, that is. Hmmm....I may have to consult Australian Quarantine laws before claiming this prize. Still, while I'm here, how about another couple? The World Cup is held every four years, just like Bryan's solo releases.....if we're lucky... Bryan Ferry did a song for the US print of the film Legend (or was it Leg-end - surely a football reference? Oh well...) that was directed by Ridley Scott who also directed Bladerunner which starred Harrison Ford who also starred in Raiders Of The Lost Ark which was directed by Steven Speilberg who also directed Close Encounters Of The Third Kind which featured Bob Balaban in a minor role. Balaban also appears in the new Robert Altman film (the name of which completely escapes me at the moment) which also stars Richard E. Grant who played the Spice Girls' Manager in Spiceworld which starred Victoria Beckham who is married to some guy on the English World Cup team Taaa-daaah! Got a million of them! (Rest of the Avalon group : "For God's sake, STOP!!!" ) etc etc - Doug (Does anyone know who is sponsering any of the UK teams? I feel a link coming on....) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:22:42 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] San Simeon Thanks for your response Reecey, It looks like you have the opposite opinion to me about San Simeon and Dylan songs. I find Baby Blue refreshing and it really gets you into the mood for the rest of the album. Hiroshima I do like tho. San Simeon and Hiroshima make me think back to Mamouna. Which isn't surprising I guess as they originated around that time. Tracy >San Simeon, and Hiroshima, have become my favourite >tracks on Frantic. I just like the dreamy feel of >both these songs. >>As for the Dylan songs mentioned earlier, Don't Think >Twice is done well, I do like it. Not so keen on Baby >Blue, but hey, you can't have everything. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:37:48 -0500 From: "paula brown" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Off-topic O'Brien's chest implant and music -READ ME > OK, you have two minutes to connect the World Cup to > Ferry starting from > ......now! Now, see, I'm not one for banning off-topic, though I would certainly recommend not elevating it to Ferry history by archiving it once it's circulated. Now, if there's one thing I personally hate to see on music sites, it's sports. But: I don't want to ruin anyone's fun. It's all a part of learning who you people are, and I'm not forced to read it. Far be it from me to advocate ripping the soccer ball O'Brien has in his chest in place of a heart out for MY personal preferences. We want to keep him in a good humor, don't we? Well, don't we? I seem to recall the board monitor herself devoting quite a bit of space on an off-topic sports thread some time back. I think Elvis and anything about music is more pertinent to Ferry and see it all as a wonderfully tangled vine which trails behind Ferry fans like toilet paper stuck to fans' shoes at OzFest. And yes, I want to know if someone is suffering because their dog died, because it tells me something about that Roxy fan. Then strike it from the archives. Sincerely, Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:43:30 -0500 From: "paula brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] San Simeon I like it. Like the lyrics best. Think it deserves a longer intro delving deeper into eerie, which I hope they supply on tour. Paula - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tracy Connell Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:23 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] San Simeon Hiya, I'm just curious to find out how many people like/dislike San Simeon and why. From what I have read a lot of people do like it. It hasn't grown on me yet. I think the rest of the album sounds more 'real', music-wise - ie using real instruments in the studio instead of synthesized sounds. I think San Simeon is a bit out of place. Is it just me? What do you think? Tracy _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:29:45 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Off topic! At 10.11 -0400 2-06-13, Colleen Matan wrote: >Forget I said anything. If this is the level of list conversation and >basic manners you all find preferable: Although most of us Swedes are exstatic, I think you all ought to show Colleen some respect here. Start a splinter list and we'll talk about otther things then Roxy and Ferry. I have some intresting thoughts on... well, that'll have to wait for the other list. NP Mamas & Papas, Califonia Dreaming Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:29:47 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] San Simeon San Simeon is the best Ferry IEDAHA-track since, well In Every Dreamhome a Heart Ache. It's a great track on a great album, one of the best I've heard all year with Solomon Burke's Don't Give up on Me. NP Al Green, Let's Stay Together Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 01:42:11 +1000 From: "notdixon" Subject: [AVALON] OT - World Cup /Ferry link - Last one for the evening. More World Cup Ferry links. The Scottish 1978 World cup song was sung by Rod Stewart who used to be in the Faces with Ronnie Wood who later joined the Stones whose singer was married to Jerry Hall who was earlier involved with Bryan for a while. The World cup comes once every four years, while........erm....dunno, let's go back to Rod Stewart: The Scottish 1978 World Cup anthem was sung by Rod Stewart, whose last few albums have sold bugger-all in Australia, which by a staggering coincidence is the exact amount of copies of Frantic that have left the shelves in this country!!!!! I claim the moth! and now off to bed - Doug (at least we get the Roxy Live 2001 DVD released here next week! Huzzah!) ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:23:08 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?john=20barry?= Subject: [AVALON] TOTAL RECALL If anybodys after the Roxy collection Total Recall Ive just got a copy from blackstar videos at http://www.blackstar.co.uk/ If you go on their hunt page for about #16 they will source a copy and deliver to you It took about 6 weeks in all but the copy I got was in perfect condition. If they are not succesful you dont pay a penny and you can cancel or send back the video for any reason and get you money back Also just out of interest theres a small video outlet in camden market that i was able to get a copy of NEW Town and Total Recall ( After god knows how long searching The same day I found total recall at camden Blackstar confirmed thay had found me a copy ,but its such a great video I thought what the hell ) All the best jb Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:24:42 +0000 From: "M. Taylor" Subject: [AVALON] OT and music stuff >Start a splinter list and we'll talk about otther things then Roxy and >Ferry. I have some intresting thoughts on... well, that'll have to wait >for the other list. I had a few too many minutes to spare but it was a nice distraction from the awful project I have due in a couple of weeks: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OT-avalon/ =P I joined the splinter footy list for a different music list. Not that I can contribute much yet. I watch matches to see which players are cute. I have a tendency to choose Beckham. At least on topic with music - I'm seeing Neil Hannon of The Divine Comedy open for Ben Folds. I think it's the first time I'm going to a concert just for the opening act. I doubt I'll stay for Ben Folds. I bought Sony NetMD this week. Not very user-friendly but I like the connection speed. It also came with a car kit so I'll have to give that a try. M ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A young New Yorker named M Was frequently seen with old men Described as fantastic She preferred lots of plastic Especially Barbie and Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:26:43 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] San Simeon/Dreamhome - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 4:19 PM Subject: [AVALON] San Simeon/Dreamhome > I first heard the recorded version of Dreamhome in 1979 and didn't like it then and still don't now. AMAZING, how can you not be completely gobsmacked each time you hear it, I've lived with this song for nearly 30 years and still am amazed by it. >the eeriness in his voice makes the song almost hypnotic forcing you to listen to every word. The first time I remember IEDHAH being performed live was the Odeon Birmingham on the Country Life tour, (although I probably heard it the year before at the Town Hall, just can't remember). As BF narrated the words he just stared above the heads of the adoring fans beneath him. I swear he did not blink all through the song, that was completely hypnotic, amazing. >IEDAH was played too fast during the 2001 tour which spoiled it for me. Agreed, but I liked the Speddo guitar thingy. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:23:55 -0500 From: "Mr Avalon" Subject: [AVALON] ENOUGH MIStER AvaloN Has This To Say: keep the off-TOPIC stuff. without a ScorecarD its' the Only Way he can tell The HOrses Asses from the PompouS Asses. I Thank You For Your KindAttention, Mr Avalon _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:34:57 EDT From: PAthas4715@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AVALON] does traffic make off-topic on-topic? If so... Grant Goggans wrote: >> It is of course perfectly plausible that three hundred lurkers who never post are sick to the back teeth of off-topic posts, but I tend to doubt it.<< Stop doubting it for I am one of them. The worst thing is that few, if any, of the off topic posts possess any wit, style or substance of interest. They tend to be laundry lists of artists, discussions of the World Cup and so forth. This pernicious tendency is one reason that I, a lifelong Roxy/Ferry fan, haven't posted to this list in 4 or 5 years. The hit delete key is NOT an option for me as I am on the digest. I am obliged to scroll through endless off topic posts and the inevitable attachments that turns the digest into a 40K monster on some days. When nothing is happening in Avalon-land, I simply don't read the digest. I'm also bothered by the personal attacks on our very able list administratrix, Colleen Matan. Moderating a list like this is a thankless task. I'd like to see how well some of her critics would do if they were in her high heels. Colleen is not some crypto-Mussolini or handbag waving Thatcheresque nanny, she is simply trying to steer this ship on its proper course. She is hardly heavy handed in her approach to off topic posting. She usually intervenes when it has gone on far too long. Cut her some slack, folks Peter Athas, disgusted list lurker. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:45:43 -0400 From: OBrienFerry@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] Dreamhome "terrypaulrigz8c" wrote: > I first heard the recorded version of Dreamhome in 1979 and didn't like it then and still don't now. <>> I like the song, it's just that I found most live versions more compelling than the studio version which sounds so dry, processed and clostrophobic. I know what you mean about that Ferry stare as he performs live. I love the New Town version where he clutches the lapels of his jacket as if he was cold, hiding in a dark rainy alleyway round the corner from some seedy joint. I think Manzanera's guitar in the section between both verses on the Viva version is a bit harsh and spoils it a bit for me, it sort of wakens you up from the trance you are being drawn into. Neil Hubbard's soporific guitar fitted with it in the 1988 tour as well as the violin style nuances by the 1994 bass player (Melvyn Lee Davis). I find that Colin Good gives great attention to detail on his arrangements of the Roxy/Ferry back catalogue until the point of being clinically correct in every note he plays compared to the recorded version. I was surprised he had the tempo of IEDAH so far out on a song that just can't afford any more pace. J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:05:57 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: [AVALON] Frantic FRANTIC is causing some mixed emotions among the world of Avalonia, this is something I feel would not happen with any Ferry/Roxy release since TBSB, why?, because there is a diversity and choice on this album that has been missing from his music for far too long. I think it's a GREAT album there is not much I would do without ( Goin Down & One Way Love are to me good quality B'side fodder), I do love A Fool For Love but if it falls down at all it may be something in the arrangement that is not quite right (I'm not qualified to say what), I think it failed miserably as a live track in Belfast, mainly due to to Bryans lifeless vocal. On the album the centre section "Like Flowers in the Rain" etc, is electrifying and reminds me of how "Just like Me" makes me shudder with lost love feelings, it's been along time since the Master did that with a lyric of his own."Hiroshima&San Simeon" I love and don't think of them seperatly, all the talk of SS being a sort of "Son of IEDHAH" is bull, I don't think the lyrics were written at the same time, I believe that to be marketing. As for the disapointing UK sales & chart positions (both album & single) I don't think Ferry will ever be the sales force he was around Avalon/Boys & Girls, I'm not sure he really enjoyed it that much anyway. So Frantic is a return to form it's beauty is it is not trying to be perfect, it's just a record and a good one. Terry "O" NP: IEDHAH live 88. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:09:01 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?jeanne=20louise?= Subject: [AVALON] M off topic list I just joined it,I was the first one,I think it's a great idea,I hope it's not one of your spoofs.... Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:06:09 -0500 From: "paula brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] San Simeon/Dreamhome > I first heard the recorded version of Dreamhome in 1979 and didn't like it then and still don't now. >AMAZING, how can you not be completely gobsmacked each time you hear it, I've lived with this song for nearly 30 years and still am amazed by it.< I suppose it's not for everyone, but for me it represented much of what was unique and exciting about Roxy Music and was a triumphant moment in rock history in and of itself. I can say this about a handful of songs, but if it were the only thing Roxy had ever done, I would still consider them in my top five artists I think, though perhaps not number one, which Song for Europe alone might have garnered. It was always the cut I played first for people who had not yet heard Roxy Music, and I started a lot of fans that way. I agree about the hypnotic qualities of it, which we characteristic of For Your Pleasure, the track, as well, and the Bogus Man. Perhaps that is one reason why FYP is Bryan's favorite. I have seen older live versions which I thought were sullied by background vocals at the end which seemed off. I still enjoy it most on FYP, though, as you say, Bryan's concentration on it live is thrilling. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:55:22 -0700 From: "Alan Heaton" Subject: [AVALON] Queen of Avalon? > Finally, if something is really and truly totally and completely > off-topic, yet absolutely you have to share it with us or you will > absolutely burst, of course you should share it with us. However, I will > note that this works best if your normal contributions to the list are > almost always on-topic and substantive. Or at least on-topic and amusing. This has to be one of the most pretentious things I've ever seen in over four years (albeit largely lurking) on this list. I never thought I'd see the day when Colleen (whose posts I often disagree with but generally enjoy reading) would be running the list. Can't we all just get along? Alan ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:55:56 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Frantic Does some of these tracks such as the synthesised" Hiroshima" make one think of the soundtrack to Moulin Rouge? Does me somewhat!!! Like a lot going on!!!! Marlana................................................ ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:08:50 -0500 From: "paula brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] ENOUGH And which group do you fall in, dear sir? Perennially Pompously Yours, Paula MIStER AvaloN Has This To Say: keep the off-TOPIC stuff. without a ScorecarD its' the Only Way he can tell The HOrses Asses from the PompouS Asses. I Thank You For Your KindAttention, Mr Avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 18:10:11 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: [AVALON] Dreamhome >I first heard the recorded version of Dreamhome in 1979 and didn't like it >then and still don't now. I first heard Dreamhome about 4 years ago. I didn't like it at all. However it has grown on me since and the live performance of it in Glasgow last year made it one of my favourites. Tracy visit my website: http://www.jamesmason.ic24.net _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:30:43 -0500 From: "paula brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic >>From: terrypaulrigz8c ....the centre section "Like Flowers in the Rain" etc, is electrifying and reminds me of how "Just like Me" makes me shudder with lost love feelings, it's been along time since the Master did that with a lyric of his own."Hiroshima&San Simeon" I love and don't think of them seperatly, all the talk of SS being a sort of "Son of IEDHAH" is bull, I don't think the lyrics were written at the same time, I believe that to be marketing. << Interesting comments. I hope he throws a bit more passion into Fool for Love by the time I get to see him, which is a long way off. I do think SS is lost lyrics from Dream Home. Before he even announced it, I'd written that it seemed like Dream Home Mach II on the old BF board. Of course, it's possible that's what gave them the idea too! You're right, if they're smart, they will use such ploys, and I love the "lost suitcase" story. But Ferry seems fairly forthright. I'm hoping now that Ferry has pulled himself back from whatever has had him lost in emotional exile and that the lyric writing problem he's been saying he's had for so long may resolve itself to some extent. I know it's possible, at least. One hopes.......and hopes and hopes. But Frantic is certainly enough to tide me over for some time. I only hope it isn't too long. I almost wish he wasn't spending the entire year touring, but only IF he might be feeling like writing. Still, he said the tour stimulated him, so maybe this is the best catalyst to get him writing. Only he knows what's best. I love your comments comparing Fool for Love and Just like You. It's true. Hopefully Yearning, Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:37:33 EDT From: JFROXY@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Dreamhome In a message dated 13/06/02 17:49:55 GMT Daylight Time, OBrienFerry@aol.com writes: > < than the studio version which sounds so dry, >> > > IEDHAH is definitely one of the top 5 songs BF has written, absolute genius! > Unfortunately it doesn't come across live too well at times (Viva!, Bjte > noire tour versions). > You can certainly hear the similarities between it and "San Simeon," which > is my favourite track on "Frantic." ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:39:16 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Dylan Songs on Frantic..... I suppose he's bothering with it, because people like me like it, I wish he would do a full album of Dylan Covers. I think all his Dylan covers over the years have been excellent. MARK. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KB Porter" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Dylan Songs on Frantic..... > Thom, thank you for your thoughts on this subject. > > I too wondered about this: "When I heard them I couldn't > help but think why is he bothering with this stuff when he > has some trully excellent material waiting for release." > > "To me Frantic is not a bad album, but just a very ordinary > one, it could have been/should have been a great one." > > I totally agree! What went wrong? > > Best wishes. KBP > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:39:53 EDT From: OBrienFerry@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] One Way Love Single The track listing for the German single 'One Way Love' is: (1) One Way Love (2) Mother Of Pearl (Horoscope sessions) (3 Crazy Love More details at vivaroxymusic.com John O'Brien ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:02:33 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Wuld Cup Jocelyn challenges: >OK, you have two minutes to connect the World Cup to Ferry starting from >......now! Okay, the 1994 England theme -- at least I think it was 94 -- was "Three Lions," by the Lightning Seeds, the band name of Ian Broudie, who produced Alison Moyet's Essex album. Essex features guitar by Pete Glenister, and if Glenister hasn't played with Ferry himself, he did play on Kirsty MacColl's Titanic Days along with both Johnny Marr (The Right Stuff) and Gary Tibbs (Manifesto and Flesh + Blood LPs). - --Grant _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:33:48 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: [AVALON] The Dylan Songs on Frantic/Frantic as an album. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KB Porter" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Dylan Songs on Frantic..... > "To me Frantic is not a bad album, but just a very ordinary > one, it could have been/should have been a great one." > > I totally agree! What went wrong? > > Best wishes. KBP I've thought about this for quite a while now and I've come to the conclusion that it's easier to turn out an ordinary album that will be better understood by people who don't really want music that challenges them. They hear it on the radio and hum along and then buy a copy when they're in the suppermarket doing the weekly shop. They know Ferry from one of the compilations that has been churned out over the last 18 years and was purchased in the same way from the same suppermarket. In the past Ferry has had poor sales because he had produced material that wasn't easy to get in to for the suppermarket shopper. Let's have a look at what Frantic really is, a cobbled together mix of covers, one nine years old and re-recordings of original material that dates back about five years. Even the more recent covers date back to 2000 in their origin, This material is easy to play and easier to sell than the material recorded between Mamouna and As Time Goes By. The most interesting things about this album are "Goddess of Love" and "I Thought", the lowest point is the trully awful "Goin' Down", a track much used in the past by guitar players to show off on, sadly even the guitar playing on this is mediocre pub standard at its best. I wouldn't be surprised if there were to be another album of this type not too far up the road, then they'll stick out a box set with the Ferry/Stewart material in its original form and charge us about fifty quid in the process. I suppose it all boils down to taking the easy money. All the best, Tom. n.p. Out of the Blue - Edinburgh 01/06/02 You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon > Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:57:16 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: [AVALON] Re: [Avalon] San Simeon - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Connell" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 3:18 PM Subject: [AVALON] San Simeon > I'm just curious to find out how many people like/dislike San Simeon and > why. From what I have read a lot of people do like it. In its original form "San Simeon" is one of the best things Ferry has ever created. From the earie soundscape at the begining, through the verbal journey that follows and the weaving in and out authentic sounding thirties horn playing it seduces your senses and transports you in to an ever so slightly sinister scene from a different time. Sadly the version on Frantic has been drained of everything that makes the original so special, gone is the sinister side of the track even the vocals sound like a run through before the master track would be laid down. In many ways "San Simeon" is out of place on Frantic as it is a song that needs to be listened to, it's not a hum along song and it certainly isn't radio friendly. The question is why after creating such a fantastic track did Ferry then thin it down and put it out in such an emaciated form. Gone seems to be the days of Ferry the perfectionist, now it seems tobe a case of throw it out and take as money in as possible. All the best, Tom. n.p. Kiss and tell - Edinbutgh 01/06/02 You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:01:54 -0500 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: [AVALON] USA Freebie Hello to all, To celebrate the Lakers third-in-a-row NBA championship win last night, I will give to the fourth person to e-mail me offlist, their choice from my Ferry-Roxy tradelist. No blanks, postage or anything else required. USA only please. Judy ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:04:47 +0200 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: [AVALON] off topic -a new idea Brilliant Jocelyn! Very funny and to the point (as always) really enjoyed the off-topic posts today! And to Peter Athas who wrote: I'm also bothered by the personal attacks on our very able list administratrix, Colleen Matan. Moderating a list like this is a thankless task. She usually intervenes when it has gone on far too long. Cut her some slack, folks Come on, I've read here more than once that people think she doing a good job. I think laissez faire is the best approach. I'm afraid her questions and advices won't help. No problem: the real suckers only stay for a little while. An off-topic item won't last long if nobody's interested. All those rules and ideas won't help to decrease or increase the mail. I can understand that it is sometimes a bit boring if you read the digest but there is another option. Or maybe this is an idea: Monday: BF topics Tuesday: humour Wednesday: RM topics Thursday: New rules Friday: Off topics Saturday: Techno babble (whatever that may be) Sunday: cd-trees, weeds, B+P etc Han - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" To: Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: [AVALON] Completely off topic but apparently on the present subject > How much bandwidth are we wasting discussing wasting bandwidth? > etc ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #201 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest