From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #200 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, June 13 2002 Volume 07 : Number 200 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Guardian Edinburgh review ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] BOWIE speaks of ROXY ["kartor@libertysurf.fr"] [AVALON] Ferry-World Cup 2002 [OBrienFerry@AOL.COM] Re: [AVALON] Off topic! [KWil632057@AOL.COM] [AVALON] On Topic/Off topic debate [OBrienFerry@AOL.COM] [AVALON] Slightly on topic. Sort of. [KWil632057@AOL.COM] [AVALON] Ferry Sinks OT [KRNCHSE@AOL.COM] [AVALON] CD rot... ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] PPS ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Ferry and shoes...and socks? ["Tracy Connell" ] [AVALON] San Simeon ["Tracy Connell" ] Re: [AVALON] San Simeon [Johnny Reece ] Re: [AVALON] Off topic...a plea! [KWil632057@AOL.COM] [AVALON] RE: World Cup OT ["Fiske, Jocelyn" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Frantic-debate ["paula brown" ] Re: [AVALON] BOWIE speaks of ROXY ["paula brown" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:08:17 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Guardian Edinburgh review Can't remember if this was posted already... http://www.guardian.co.uk/reviews/story/0,3604,726834,00.html Bryan Ferry Princes Street Gardens, Edinburgh Elisabeth Mahoney Monday June 3, 2002 The beginning of Edinburgh's Golden Jubilee celebrations was marked by a gig from someone whose longevity of career is also teetering towards remarkable. The key elements of Bryan Ferry's success in the Roxy Music and early solo years - cool demeanour, cool songs, suave good looks - are all still alive and well. Seemingly rejuvenated by Roxy Music's reunion tour last year, Ferry is now on his best form in years, both on his well- received new album, Frantic, and live. The Edinburgh audience was also on good form. They left their picnic baskets and boxes of wine on the lawn to rush down to the stage at the first few bars of It's All Over Now, Baby Blue, one of two Dylan covers on Frantic. Maybe it was the balmy evening, the prospect of a double bank-holiday or simply regal fervour, but nobody was going to get this crowd to sit down again. Inches away from them, Ferry obliged with some touching of hands (being cool, he tried to do a groovy slapping of hands), and sweet bewilderment as five women in turn scrambled onto the stage for a kiss. The set showcased the new album before slipping into a second half of upbeat, celebratory numbers from his back catalogue. This brought thunderous versions of Both Ends Burning, A Hard Rain's a Gonna Fall and, as a final encore, Do the Strand, complete with dancing girls in cerise feather headgear. As always, Ferry seems to have markedly different criteria for selecting the men and women on stage with him. The women (on keyboards, percussion, backing vocals and, um, foxy dancing in white hotpants) are all much younger and more beautiful than him; the men are not. What they (Paul Thompson, Chris Spedding and Colin Good) bring, however is an impressively tight sound, especially on the big Roxy numbers. Ferry clearly relishes every moment of being on stage. He grins to himself at some lyrics, as if remembering how good they are, and shimmies skilfully, weaving claps into his still convincingly avant-garde moves. It is only late on that his cool aura threatens to melt. Giddy with the thrill of it all, he keeps raising his arms in a triumphant arc above his head, looking like Larry Grayson about to embark on a spot of Scottish Country dancing. But the crowd love him all the more for risking looking silly, just for a frantic moment. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:46:36 +0200 From: "kartor@libertysurf.fr" Subject: [AVALON] BOWIE speaks of ROXY In the July issue of "Rock and Folk" (French magazine) , is included a long interview of David Bowie.They asked him who, for him, have a "natural talent". He declared: "Speaking of Bryan Ferry, I have seen recently Roxy Music on tour, and I thought it was fabulous. Superb! I like to go out much, and I use to go to see many young Rock bands, but no one is head and shoulders above them..They are so modern,timeless and talented. I said to myself:Shit! they are really good!.Eno is missing a little but they are fantastic even so.." Caroline thinking of Bry reading that... - -------------- Profitez de l'offre exceptionnelle Tiscali ! "Internet Gratuit le Jour" Cliquez ici, http://register.tiscali.fr/forfaits_ls/ Offre soumise ` conditions. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 11:52:44 +0100 From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" Subject: [AVALON] Completely off topic but apparently on the present subject How much bandwidth are we wasting discussing wasting bandwidth? Who says what's on and off topic? (Compost heaps to Ferry link? Piece of the proverbial Colleen. Stick a man in a studio for 7 years and he'll produce a pile of fertilizer and the odd orchid) God! Lists, sub-lists, return -all, return-non buttons? The whole place is turning into 1984 (song by the Eurhythmics, Dave Stewart recorded and wrote Frantic with Ferry - see how easy this is?) I hope you appreciate that this is merely a can we get back to having some good old fashioned fun response and nothing more. And I think that definitely includes a healthy quota of what you would probably consider off topic. I'm hugely interested in other people's musical tastes on this list and have learnt an awful lot through people's public replies to other people's e-mails. And nothing to do with Roxy or Ferry at all. I note you mentioned the other day about the so called old-timers not contributing like they used to, we'll frankly, have you ever asked yourself why? It's not because someone e-mails about dreams or Elvis or Elvis dreams or pants or sexuality or psycho killers (recorded by Talking Heads and described in review as a psychotic Virginia Plain - phew back on topic) more like the stuffing's gradually being knocked out of the list by endless techno babble and politics. I too am a supporter of the read the subject header and delete if not interested school of thought, and I think that trim your posts is a far more valid argument of wasted bandwidth that subject matter. I really miss the adrenalin fuelled days when we all (at some time or another) sent e-mails meant to be private to the entire list and dropped ourselves in it - most memorably Thom's classic which I still have pinned on my wall at work -pure genius mate! And I delight in that memorable day when a whole bunch of us on some bizarre non Ferry related high, managed to fill an entire digest and were thoroughly chastised by the rest of the list. Boy that was fun. There's a whole bunch of new subscribers out there reticent to write what they'd like to, because they're frightened their posts will earn them a yellow card/red card or the electric chair (Wayne County of the Electric Chairs shaved his legs and then he was a she modelled on Baby Jane Hollzer of "Hollzer mane" fame.) And as for shoes, they are perhaps more relevant in the Ferry pantheon than any of us realise. May I draw your attention to the excellent review on vivaroxymusic.com of Edinburgh by young Penny O'Brien aged 7 (strange that as her father is aged 16) which puts it all into perspective. Ferry needs a haircut and Lucy wears cool trainers. Out of the mouths of babes. So come on let's start having a laugh again, at the moment it's no fun (a song by Iggy Pop, who spent 2 drug fuelled years in Berlin in the company of David Bowie and Brian Eno, who used to twiddle knobs for Roxy). OK, you have two minutes to connect the World Cup to Ferry starting from ......now! "Smash the System" Fiske ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 06:04:34 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Frantic-debate I just had to LOL when someone referred to Dylan as "old git". Folks, he's only a few yrs.older than Ferry. Does that make our guy an old git too? Personal tastes, but Dylan is a genius when it comes to lyrics.Look at the Grammys! Also why would there be so many covers by our Bryan & others if he wasn't so revered? I don't care for Bryan's version of IAOBB. not enough guts to it like Dylans orginal. Of course this is Brys interpretation . but still it isn't that good. He could have chosen something more suitable other than this as there are so many great ones. I did like DTTIA , was a nice meaningful rendition with the piano & harmonica, & Ferry's breathily voice gave it depth. Don't think this album is great, but its a good one. Whatever they were reaching for as different somehow succeeded. I think this one will grab some new listeners because it is easy to listen to & some good cuts on it. I think this was the intention all along was to catch more masses into Ferry's fold. This will keep him touring longer people who never saw him before & who like Frantic will want to see in person what this is all about. More fans, that is what keeps old "gits" on top. Face it even Ferry's voice as age has crept up on him his voice is strained at times. But we liked him young & we like him older. We're true blue fans.Marlana.................................................. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 04:08:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnny Reece Subject: Re: [AVALON] Completely off topic but apparently on the present subject - --- "Fiske, Jocelyn" wrote: > > OK, you have two minutes to connect the World Cup to > Ferry starting from > ......now! > > England play Denmark next, funnily enough the exact country where Ferry recently began the current round of Frantic tour gigs. Do I win the new trainers for the next gig ? Reecey... Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:10:29 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Completely off topic but apparently on the present subject >>> "Fiske, Jocelyn" 06/13 11:52 am >>> > (Compost heaps to Ferry link? Piece of the proverbial Colleen. Stick a man > in a studio for 7 years and he'll produce a pile of fertilizer and the odd > orchid) Well, I was going to go along the line that Bryan's dad used to look after pit ponies, and that their waste is great for the roses! > OK, you have two minutes to connect the World Cup to Ferry starting from > ......now! I dunno... Alan Shearer. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:14:21 +0100 From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Completely off topic but apparently on the present s ubject >England play Denmark next, funnily enough the exact country where Ferry recently began the current round of Frantic tour gigs. Do I win the new trainers for the next gig ? My connection was our very own John O'Brien now appears to be scoring goals for the USA. And as for trainers Reecey, yours could have walked off on their own in Edinburgh (where Ferry played blah blah etc etc...)so I think we'll have a whip round (Otis played whip on Cruel) for a new pair. And valiant attempt young Simon with the Shearer connection. Best answer wins the dead moth killed by Ferry's swirling arms during Slave to Love at Edinburgh and presently preserved in aspic (come on Ivor, there's a lead-in for you here) ready for sale on e-bay. Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 04:26:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnny Reece Subject: RE: [AVALON] Completely off topic but apparently on the present s ubject I missed the Ferry moth-kill. We'll need proof of it, of course, should it go up for auction. Maybe a private sale, frame it up, and have it for the AMA2 raffle ? Reecey... Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:39:06 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Completely off topic but apparently on the present subject Ant the two most Roxy countries, england and Sweden made it from the group of Death, NP Wilson Philips Daniel Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:48:30 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Dylan Songs on Frantic..... Terry, thank you for responding to my testament! I do enjoy the liveliness that BF exhibits on IAON,BB - it is a good cover. Which brings me to your very fine, and I do add, correct point: "BUT the Ferry solo thing has never ever been about his own compositions, it started with "A hard Rains", so it's only right we should get a good cross section of Ferry live." I suppose, my preference for original Ferry material comes from my time of introduction to Ferry/Roxy. Ferry came first in 1986. I acquired Boys and Girl, then Bete Noire. I saw the Let's Stick Together video on SKY TV and decided to investigate more about this Bryan Ferry, so I purchased The Ultimate Collection. That led to Roxy Music material. I acquired early Bryan Ferry solo work last of all, and for the greater part I find his work on covers good (as far as covers go) but I place them in a lower class of merit than I do original Ferry material. Yes, BF's early solo work was nearly all cover versions. They really do nothing for me. Given this frame of reference, I hope it becomes clear that I belong to a group of fans who came to Ferry and Roxy in the 80's and 90's. I was initially 'hooked' by original Ferry material. His covers are anti climatic. I accept he must like to do covers, and I am very happy to hear them. But they are no match for his own stuff. Still, I find it very hard to swallow 1/6th of any concert performance that is concentrated on work from any one artist that is not or was not part of the original group that is performing. And God, please do leave Dylan off stage since "the thought of having the miserable old git on stage with Bryan is mortifying."! My knickers are all sorted out for the moment. As fans, let's indulge Mr. Ferry's whims. Just smiled, cheer and clap at his Dylan fling - Picasso's Blue Period? Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:43:35 +1000 From: "notdixon" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Completely off topic but apparently on the present subject > > OK, you have two minutes to connect the World Cup to Ferry starting from > > ......now! > David Beckham is playing in the World cup. He's married to Posh Spice who used to be in a band with Baby Spice, who appeared onstage recently (Queen's concert) with Paul McCartney, who did an album with Dave Gilmour a couple of years ago. Gilmour, of course, has worked with Ferry! Oh.....okay then....... The World cup theme a few years ago was performed by New Order, whose guitarist, Bernard Sumner was in a band with Johnny Marr (Electronic....actually, I'm not sure about this one.....) who co-wrote "The Right Stuff" by Mr. Ferry. Er.....another??? Brian Eno's head looks like a soccer ball if you squint a lot.......no, hang on, I've got one! Brian is of course, from Roxy Music, whose first guitarist Davy O'List reformed the Nice in the mid-seventies as Refugee with Patrick Moraz instead of Keith Emerson. Moraz left to join Yes which featured Alan White and Chris Squire who formed a short-lived band (XYZ) with Jimmy Page in 1981. Page, of course, was fresh out of Led Zep, whose singer Robert Plant recorded a duet with Tori Amos for the Zep tribute cd. Tori Amos recorded an album called "Boys For Pele" which despite her claims that it was about a volcano god, probably took it's title from the famous soccor player who has probably played in the World Cup. Er.....another one??? Ummm....they've both got balls? Pass - Doug ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 06:45:13 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Completely off topic but apparently on topic "Joselyn says it better" -- As I sit so early in the morning here, what is so nice I'm connected to such nice people from way yonder, later in the day. Speaking as an old-timer , I don't like being graded on my posts as if I were in school. I'll stay in school for that!!!!! Marlana................. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:54:28 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Dylan Songs on Frantic..... Thom, thank you for your thoughts on this subject. I too wondered about this: "When I heard them I couldn't help but think why is he bothering with this stuff when he has some trully excellent material waiting for release." "To me Frantic is not a bad album, but just a very ordinary one, it could have been/should have been a great one." I totally agree! What went wrong? Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:56:10 +1000 From: "notdixon" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Completely off topic but apparently on the present subject > > > > OK, you have two minutes to connect the World Cup to Ferry starting > from > > > > ......now! I want that moth! The World Cup theme a couple of years ago was performed by Ricky Martin, whose music can be described with a number of words often used (badly) by Ferry's son Isaac! QED! - Doug ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:06:05 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Dylan Songs on Frantic..... Tracy kindly offers: "I do prefer Bryan's own work, but I think that Frantic is his best solo release since 'Boys and Girls'. He really surprised me with it. I really don't care how many Dylan songs he sings in concert, as long as he sings 'Slave to Love' I'm happy. :) Does that sound sad?" Sound sad? Not at all, Terry. What we are dealing with are personal preferences! Thanks for your response. Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:11:52 EDT From: Ceesse@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Dylan Songs on Frantic..... Thought the Dylan songs were odd when I read them...but when I heard them? I found a new respect for the old codger. (Dylan. not Ferry. have to keep our codgers straight) - Carol ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:11:11 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Completely off topic but apparently on the presentsubject >>> "notdixon" 06/13 12:43 pm >>> > > OK, you have two minutes to connect the World Cup to Ferry starting from > > ......now! > > David Beckham is playing in the World cup. He's married to Posh Spice who > used to be in a band with Baby Spice, who appeared onstage recently (Queen's > concert) with Paul McCartney, who did an album with Dave Gilmour a couple of > years ago. Gilmour, of course, has worked with Ferry! Hell! You could have also linked Mackay with McCartney (Tug Of War and Pipes Of Peace) and Phil with Gilmour (the song they wrote together). SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:23:01 +1000 From: "notdixon" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Completely off topic but apparently on the presentsubject - ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Galloway > Hell! You could have also linked Mackay with McCartney (Tug Of War and Pipes Of Peace) and Phil with Gilmour (the song they wrote together). > > SimonG Shit!!! Er...I mean...um....too obvious! Yes, yes, that's it. And while I'm here....... Bryan Ferry recorded a track with Roxy called "Love Is The drug". Drugs, of course, are used to enhance the performance of many a World Cup team. Allegedly..... - -Doug ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:32:22 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: Re: [AVALON] does traffic make off-topic on-topic? If so... >Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:11:04 -0400 (EDT) >From: Colleen Matan >Subject: [AVALON] does traffic make off-topic on-topic? If so... >As I shared with Victor, I'm reluctant to impose upon the folks at >smoe.org since they're already doing us the favor of hosting Avalon. But >this is a case where I think Yahoogroups.com is a great idea. You can set >up a list with open enrollment and the admin burden is relatively limited. >It's an option if folks think it is necessary. I think a separate list is a fantastic option, but I don't think it's at all necessary, because Avalon does not have any individuals like the bread-baking fellow on your hypothetical dinosaurs list, and consequently off-topic postings don't seem to be an issue, except to a very small minority of vocal posters. (It is of course perfectly plausible that three hundred lurkers who never post are sick to the back teeth of off-topic posts, but I tend to doubt it.) As I stated yesterday, and as Aleks and Simon seem to agree, an unmoderated off-topic list would quickly find itself talking as much about Ferry as the on-topic list, since that is the common point of reference for all us disparate individuals. Therefore, as I stated yesterday, there is no point in a separate list if the only difference between them is that on one, a moderator will ask you to take your conversation elsewhere, and on the other, they won't. - --Grant _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:42:58 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Frantic - what went wrong? >>> KB Porter 06/13 12:54 pm >>> > Thom, thank you for your thoughts on this subject. > > "To me Frantic is not a bad album, but just a very ordinary > one, it could have been/should have been a great one." > > I totally agree! What went wrong? Because he handed it over to Colin Good to "arrange" a catchy, mature "rock record" for him. Ferry may have regained his confidence and pleasure in performing, but as a musician and artist he is suffering. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:44:17 -0400 From: OBrienFerry@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] Ferry-World Cup 2002 Connect Ferry to the World Cup, now let me see Mmmmmm..... Ferry has recorded Dylan (4 times) Dylan wrote and recorded Route 66 Portugal scored a hat trick, the commentators mentioned Englands hat trick in 1966 Cameroon fielded two brothers, the commentators mentioned Englands Charlton brothers in 1966 The holders France went out in the first round, the commentators mentioned that the last time the holders went out in the first round was 1966 when England won it. In fact, if "The Auchinshoogle Arms" V "The Grouse & Stag" were playing in the "Outer Hebrides Pub League" the commentators would still find some way to mention the 1966 World Cup. ;-) Jock McBrien P.S. no Jealous Guy jokes in reply ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:13:57 EDT From: KWil632057@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Off topic! Sodding hell. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:12:17 -0400 From: OBrienFerry@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] On Topic/Off topic debate I am with Colleen on this one, if a lot of mail was trimmed then it would minimise the band width used (whatever that means). I think some e-mail systems automatically add the whole mail you are replying to when you hit the reply button, though you don't see this on the mail you are writing but the recipient does, so some of should check this is not happening with our own mails. A simple thing for us to do, is to change the SUBJECT heading when we reply to a mail that our reply is about a new point found within the original mail. For example, look at the mail I sent a few minutes ago that has the heading Ferry-World Cup 2002 this came from a mail theat began as 'Completely off topic but apparently on thepresentsubject' This way it makes it easier for us to delete mails we don't want to read. J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:19:43 EDT From: KWil632057@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] Slightly on topic. Sort of. From popbitch: Which husky-voiced TV presenter enjoyed lesbian sex with the missus of one of the KLF? I bet its M******a F******p !!! Jonathan n/p Paul Thompson 'The Ambient Years' ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:33:16 EDT From: KRNCHSE@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] Ferry Sinks OT Due to an unexpected list, Ferry sinks...............Carrying a multi national crew who threatened mutiny, it is believed they all were about to abandon ship as the First Mate lost control........................The passengers aboard the vessel 'Pyjamarama' were on their way between the Islands of Yahoo and Avalon. A spokesman for the Skipper said 'It's a sad day, no one would listen to the Chief, everyone had their own agenda........people on the Lido were too busy frolicking with the Band and telling tales of mythical Sirens? How can you Captain a ship when all the crew wants is just another high ! ......... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:40:10 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] CD rot... I first encountered this about 7 years ago, two types - bronzing and the strange "misting" of the playing surface. Here's a link to a website that talks about bronzing: http://foetusized.org/cdrot.html As for the other kind of rot, it takes a couple of forms, either worm-like traces appear on the playing surface, or the surface clouds over with a sticky residue. I found that all the affected CDs were manufactured at EMI Swindon and housed in digi-pak sleeves. I did write to EMI, but they weren't bothered, however, they did suggest cleaning the discs using isopropyl alcohol and 100% cotton wool. It works but doesn't cure the problem. And another thing... I've found that the sound quality on some on my older CDs is deteriorating, as are disc surfaces, with tiny pin-prick holes appearing on the surface. Who said CDs would last forever? The truth is, no one really knows how long they'll last, but I can still play my mum and dad's stack of original rock and roll 45s, and that's good enough reason for me to hang on to my old vinyl. SimonG PS the late 1980 Virgin Roxy/Ferry CDs are affected by bronzing, and Ferry's UK CD singles from Taxi and Mamouna are affected by misting. ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:41:08 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] PPS Duncan - I tried to email you the link as promised but my emails were bounced... ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:48:37 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry and shoes...and socks? >And as for shoes, they are perhaps more relevant in the Ferry pantheon than >any of us realise. I think there is a case for socks too... Tracy _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:54:10 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Completely off topic but apparently on the present subject >So come on let's start having a laugh again, I think you've given this a good start Jocelyn as your post has attracted some hilarious replies about the world cup and shoes and the moth (which I missed too and would like to see evidence of). Thanks to Jocelyn and all who replied for the hilarious answers, Tracy _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:11:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Off topic! Forget I said anything. If this is the level of list conversation and basic manners you all find preferable: > From: KWil632057@aol.com > Sodding hell. then, by all means carry on. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:18:20 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: [AVALON] San Simeon Hiya, I'm just curious to find out how many people like/dislike San Simeon and why. From what I have read a lot of people do like it. It hasn't grown on me yet. I think the rest of the album sounds more 'real', music-wise - ie using real instruments in the studio instead of synthesized sounds. I think San Simeon is a bit out of place. Is it just me? What do you think? Tracy _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:37:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnny Reece Subject: Re: [AVALON] San Simeon - --- Tracy Connell wrote: > I'm just curious to find out how many people > like/dislike San Simeon > I'm glad you brought this up, as my opinions of most of the Album have changed dramatically, since first hearing it a while ago. I expect most people will feel the same (?). San Simeon, I have grown to love. It has a certain 'darkness' to it, a certain mystery, something which I've missed in Bryan's solo work for a long, long time. In fact, probably since This Island Earth (another fave !). San Simeon, and Hiroshima, have become my favourite tracks on Frantic. I just like the dreamy feel of both these songs. I still shiver with horror at One Way Love, and am convinced I may be the only person who is not very fond of the closing track, I Thought. I saw it was suggested recently that a Ferry/Eno Album may be interesting as a future project, but on the basis of Wildcat Days and I Thought, I would absolutely dread the thought. Having said that, I know I'm in the minority here. As for the Dylan songs mentioned earlier, Don't Think Twice is done well, I do like it. Not so keen on Baby Blue, but hey, you can't have everything. Reecey... Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:49:04 EDT From: KWil632057@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Off topic...a plea! This list is really a kind of hobby for most of us. Does anybody else think that lightening up might be a good idea? Jonathan n/p No Doubt 'Don't Speak' In a message dated 13/06/02 15:12:04 GMT Daylight Time, cjem@his.com writes: > Forget I said anything. If this is the level of list conversation and > basic manners you all find preferable: > > > From: KWil632057@aol.com > > > Sodding hell. > > then, by all means carry on. > > Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 15:50:23 +0100 From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" Subject: [AVALON] RE: World Cup OT >And while I'm here....... Bryan Ferry recorded a track with Roxy called "Love Is The drug". Drugs, of course, are used to enhance the performance of many a World Cup team. But not Poland evidently - sorry Alexs! Eno's head as a soccer ball seems to be in the lead connection wise at the moment. That moth could be winging it's way to you Doug - well...if it wasn't...dead, that is. Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:21:19 -0500 From: "paula brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Frantic-debate >I just had to LOL when someone referred to Dylan as "old git". Folks, he's only a few yrs.older than Ferry. < Yes, but he was ALWAYS an old git. A lyrically gifted one, yes. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon Avalonians on tour 2002: http://web.tiscali.it/cecilya/roxy/meetup.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 10:18:18 -0500 From: "paula brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] BOWIE speaks of ROXY That's very nice to hear. Actually, the first endorsement I ever saw of Roxy came in 1972, I believ,e in a rock mag from comments by Mr. Bowie. It was the first validation I had after listening to the first Roxy that the squirmy alarmed feeling I got from it did indeed mean my life was about to change, but in a good way. Having just listened to the new Bowie yesterday, and keeping in mind that I am outnumbered by everyone else, who have given it a completely enthusiastic reception, I see it as the best from him in some time but still not really comparable to the early period. Not to say parts of it aren't extremely enjoyable. The first cut, Sunday, brought back the thrill of anticipation of hearing a new Bowie for the first time, spawning me to scribble a few lines while driving in traffic. It completely wound me up but by the time it did, it was over. Slow Burn is the best cut. Nice to hear some blisteringly sleek guitar behind him again. Slip Away was nostalgic. Neil Young's I've Been Waiting for You, with Bowie supplying a good impression of Crazy Horse guitar on it that was missing on the original, made me turn the van around and go back to the record store and pick up the first three Neil Youngs again, plus the CSNY with Ohio on it, which coincidentally (and I don't believe in them), I had just picked up from the framers after having had it mounted along with the Kent State LIFE Magazine, showing the Ohio 45 popping out of the Article I Bill of Rights (Freedom of Religion, Speech and Press) sleeve that it came in, and a blurb from 100 Greatest Moments of Rock History telling how Crosby and Young, May 1970, were cloistered in a cabin in a state park in California when Crosby went for supplies and returned with the LIFE magazine, showed it to Young and watched the news hit him of the slain students. He watched Young pick up his guitar, and within an hour, the final version of Ohio was written and rushed to radio. Hearing the opening guitar on that song still gives me chills. The rest of the Bowie album, I'll have to see if it grows on me, but in the past (and realizing Bowie is my second favorite artist) it's usually been there from first listen for me. I think Frantic is more of a spectacular resurrection for Ferry than Heathen is for Bowie, overall, but I'm very glad he's accessing his Golden Years in earnest and hope he gets over this nonsense about not performing the old classics in concert. Ferry, at least, has given us that, hasn't he? Sincerely, Paula - ----- Original Message ----- From: kartor@libertysurf.fr Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 4:48 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] BOWIE speaks of ROXY In the July issue of "Rock and Folk" (French magazine) , is included a long interview of David Bowie.They asked him who, for him, have a "natural talent". He declared: "Speaking of Bryan Ferry, I have seen recently Roxy Music on tour, and I thought it was fabulous. Superb! I like to go out much, and I use to go to see many young Rock bands, but no one is head and shoulders above them..They are so modern,timeless and talented. I said to myself:Shit! they are really good!.Eno is missing a little but they are fantastic even so.." Caroline thinking of Bry reading that... - -------------- Profitez de l'offre exceptionnelle Tiscali ! 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