From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #182 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, May 29 2002 Volume 07 : Number 182 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] NP; Fool For Love LIVE. ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] The Setlist ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] NP; Fool For Love LIVE. ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] NP; Fool For Love LIVE. [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] KB Porter is right! [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] NP; Fool For Love LIVE. ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] Ice T/amazona [Karen Swenson ] Re: [AVALON] Jealous Guy/live (or setlist from hell?) ["Simon Galloway" <] Re: [AVALON] NP; Fool For Love LIVE. ["paula brown" ] Re: [AVALON] It doesn't look good for America ["David Firmin" ] [AVALON] Cecilia! ["S. Thomsen" ] [AVALON] Belfast BF tickets [Johnny Reece ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Setlists ["mark shanahan" ] [AVALON] To future concert guests. ["S. Thomsen" ] Re: [AVALON] It doesn't look good for America ["David Firmin" ] [AVALON] Thoughts on Frantic ["Helen Thorpe" ] [AVALON] any cd traders out there?? ["aranemgale" Subject: [AVALON] NP; Fool For Love LIVE. > J.O'B. > > N.P. Fool For Love Live 2002 Can anyone tell me what a male temptress is??!! Terry "O" NP: Goddess of Love, from Frantic. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:17:23 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ice T/amazona I think it's That's How I'm Living, but don't get the Greatest Hits version as it's a completely different mix. SimonG >>> 05/29 1:05 am >>> Does anyone remember the name of the Ice T track that a sample from Amazona was used on? J.O'B. N.P. Fool For Love Live 2002 ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:21:46 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Setlist - ----- Original Message ----- From: Webwolf To: Cc: Jeff Wood Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 4:00 AM Subject: [AVALON] The Setlist This is a BRYAN FERRY Tour, not a Roxy Tour! As much as I love > Roxy, Bryan, you are a stud on your own! Grab those cajones and lets see some > spark!!!! Especially with Spedding at your side. > > Just my humble opinion as a 25 year Roxy/Bryan fan. > > Brian > > Now back to your regularly scheduled Avalon list... Oh no, we need more of this, MUCH MORE, C'mon everyone LET RIP, I Want: Take me to the River Party Doll Answer Me Sypathy for the Devil (some bloody hope!) It' Only Love This Island Earth The 'In' Crowd This Is Tomorrow Baby I Don't Care/ It's My Party Loving You is Sweeter than Ever Sing Of The Times (Could be lucky!) The Chosen One The 39 Steps Hiroshima/San Simion (no Heartache, am I the only one to think that the SS/IEDAH conection was juat a marketing ploy?) I Thought, which would be as good a closing number this year as FYP was last year. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:33:45 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP; Fool For Love LIVE. Confused? >>> "terrypaulrigz8c" 05/29 9:01 am >>> > J.O'B. > > N.P. Fool For Love Live 2002 Can anyone tell me what a male temptress is??!! Terry "O" NP: Goddess of Love, from Frantic. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 06:18:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] It doesn't look good for America On Tue, 28 May 2002, David Firmin wrote: > Whatever. It's a relief to me. They charge too much over here and the > set list isn't that great. Uh huh. And I bet you think the grapes are sour and not as ripe as they appear. Colleen p.s. David, I wouldn't make that hat too big. You might find it to be a little tough when you are forced to eat it after you buy a ticket to one of the Ferry shows here in the US. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:04:59 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Last and best picture uploaded. Stefan slyly says: "I fear though that no male and maried avalonian will ever be permitted to go to any concert where Gitte will be attending." I fear you may have some truth there! Gitte (Holle) is stunningly beautiful - quite photogenic! Lucky gal. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:05:35 +0100 From: "Christian H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jealous Guy/live (or setlist from hell?) - ---------- >Von: "mark shanahan" >An: >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] Jealous Guy/live (or setlist from hell?) >Datum: Die, 28. Mai 2002 23:54 Uhr > > >first of all, christian - either you read ferry's mind or they took your >advice on 'SOT'. i'm glad to see something like this included in the >set. Reading the setlist (rather than Ferry's mind), it was the only choice that surprised me. Since my intervention seems to have worked, I'd ask Bryan to include In Your Mind and a few tracks from Mamouna as well. Did anybody notice there weren't ANY tracks from his 90s albums (unless you date back recordings of Frantic tracks). Maybe, as the tour will progress, we could haver The 'In' Crowd as well. Christian NP: Nobody Loves Me ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:15:57 +0200 From: "S. Thomsen" Subject: [AVALON] KB Porter is right! Yes. Beeing a male model myself (I'm the "Before" in the "Before and Afterwards" commercials) I know striking beauty when I spot it. Stefanzanera ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:37:47 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP; Fool For Love LIVE. [ > J.O'B. > > N.P. Fool For Love Live 2002 Can anyone tell me what a male temptress is??!! Terry "O" ] ?? A Temptor ?? :^) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:43:30 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] KB Porter is right! Sounds like head over heels to me! Part of the 'Ferry Effect'? "I know striking beauty when I spot it." ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:01:42 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP; Fool For Love LIVE. - ----- Original Message ----- From: KB Porter To: Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP; Fool For Love LIVE. > [ > J.O'B. > > > > N.P. Fool For Love Live 2002 > > Can anyone tell me what a male temptress is??!! > > Terry "O" ] > > ?? A Temptor ?? :^) > Could well be, should we now be refering J.O'B. as John The Temptor? Terry "O". ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:25:31 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Odense and Jelling setlists In an attempt to further aide current discussions I suggest we look at the Odense setlist: (Please excuse any errors I have probably made in these lists - I am not an anorak! - corrections are welcomed.) 1. It's All Over Now Baby Blue - Dylan - Frantic 2. Sign of the Times - Ferry -The Bride Stripped Bare 3. Can't Let Go - Ferry - The Bride Stripped Bare 4. Oh Yeah - Ferry - Flesh + Blood 5. Goddess of Love - Ferry/Stewart - Frantic 6. Out Of The Blue - Ferry/Manzanera - Country Life 7. Don't Think Twice, It's All Right - Dylan - Frantic 8. Ja Nun Hons Pris - Le Coeur de Lion, Ferry, Good - Frantic 9. A Fool For Love - Ferry - Frantic 10. Both Ends Burning - Ferry - Siren 11. Tara - Ferry/Mackay - Avalon 12. A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall - Dylan - These Foolish Things 13. Slave To Love - Ferry - Boys and Girls 14. Kiss and Tell - Ferry/Patrick Leonard - Bete Noire 15. Dance Away - Ferry - Manifesto 16. Jealous Guy - Lennon - ??A-side 7" disk 1981?? 17. Let's Stick Together - Harrison - Let's Stick Together 18. Love Is The Drug - Ferry/Mackay - Siren 19. Do The Strand - Ferry - For Your Pleasure Jelling setlist: Same as above excluding Goddess of Love. That is Five songs from Frantic - Two Dylan covers; Two co-writes (dropping Goddess of Love from the setlist diminishes this number to One co-write); and One self penned original. Nothing played from Mamouna, As Time Goes By, Taxi, In Your Mind, Another Time Another Place, Stranded, and Roxy Music. Christian wrote: "I'd ask Bryan to include In Your Mind and a few tracks from Mamouna as well. Did anybody notice there weren't ANY tracks from his 90s albums (unless you date back recordings of Frantic tracks)." I wonder if Mr. Ferry et al think his 90's material is too "layered" or too complex to bring to live stage (never mind some of it was played earlier during promotional tours of those 90's releases), or could it be that Mr. Ferry has bought into the idea (an incorrect judgment, in my opinion) that his 90's work is somehow inferior, especially with respect to 'the voice not being there', when compared to 90's releases? KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:30:43 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP; Fool For Love LIVE. "should we now be refering J.O'B. as John The Temptor?" I like that - John The Temptor! Could be related to a Baptist of other temptations? Take me to the river, drop me in... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:52:44 -0500 From: Karen Swenson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ice T/amazona > I think it's That's How I'm Living, but don't get the Greatest Hits version as > it's a completely different mix. That's correct. It's "That's How I'm Livin'(On the Rox remix)" on the 2-cd version of Home Invasion. K. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:57:38 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Jealous Guy/live (or setlist from hell?) As much as I'm not excited by Frantic, I'd love to see what life a proper live band could breath into the songs, but I think that stuff like San Simeon, Hiroshima and I Thought might be a bit too 'heavy' for outdoor gigs, especially where it's part of a festival. However, had a bit more time and thought been spent on research and rehearsals, they could have pulled some great choices out of the hat. A missed opportunity is to showcase the Ferry/Good dynamic, only being exploited on Don't Think Twice. We know that the more "acoustic" nature of the ATGB shows suits Ferry's voice better these days, so why not do a few songs with Ferry singing and Good at the piano - Don't Think Twice, These Foolish Things and maybe Crazy Love or You Go To My Head...? Some previous tours have had a loose "theme" - the In Your Mind tour was akin to an R'n'B/Stax/Motown revue, ATGB the Big Band, Bete Noire a bad hair day, but Frantic seems to be a rather ill fitting pub rock guise. I'm not disputing the quality of the musicians, but it seems a bit... straight ahead and un-Ferry. When I discovered who the band would be, I was baffled, especially after seeing how ill-matched they looked on stage at TOTP2 and Parkinson. The setlist just seems to confirm that they are probably a bit baffled too and don't know really know what to do. The 39 Steps was rehearsed though. SimonG >>> "Christian H. Soetemann" 05/29 3:05 pm >>> - ---------- >Von: "mark shanahan" >An: >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] Jealous Guy/live (or setlist from hell?) >Datum: Die, 28. Mai 2002 23:54 Uhr > > >first of all, christian - either you read ferry's mind or they took your >advice on 'SOT'. i'm glad to see something like this included in the >set. Reading the setlist (rather than Ferry's mind), it was the only choice that surprised me. Since my intervention seems to have worked, I'd ask Bryan to include In Your Mind and a few tracks from Mamouna as well. Did anybody notice there weren't ANY tracks from his 90s albums (unless you date back recordings of Frantic tracks). Maybe, as the tour will progress, we could haver The 'In' Crowd as well. Christian NP: Nobody Loves Me ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:28:39 -0500 From: "paula brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP; Fool For Love LIVE. Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP; Fool For Love LIVE. Confused? >>> "terrypaulrigz8c" 05/29 9:01 am >>> > J.O'B. > > N.P. Fool For Love Live 2002 >Can anyone tell me what a male temptress is??!! Terry "O" < Yes, my feelings exactly. I feel the same as if I'd seen my true love at "our place" with another woman. Sniff, Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 08:20:47 -0700 From: "David Firmin" Subject: Re: [AVALON] It doesn't look good for America My only sour grapes are the fact that we get reamed in the US for ticket prices. It has nothing to do with Ferry's people. Probably the greedy American promoters? I'm curious to see how the set list changes over the next few months. Ferry has Paul Thompson and Chris Spedding on board. Why doesn't he do any songs from In Your Mind? Could you imagine Paul playing crap like Kiss and Tell? Sign of the Times was the only interesting track in the whole list. David - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Matan" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 3:18 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] It doesn't look good for America > On Tue, 28 May 2002, David Firmin wrote: > > > Whatever. It's a relief to me. They charge too much over here and the > > set list isn't that great. > > Uh huh. And I bet you think the grapes are sour and not as ripe as they > appear. > > Colleen > p.s. David, I wouldn't make that hat too big. You might find it to be a > little tough when you are forced to eat it after you buy a ticket to one > of the Ferry shows here in the US. *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:22:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnny Reece Subject: [AVALON] Re: Setlists - --- David Firmin wrote: > I'm curious to see how the set list changes over the > next few months. Ferry has Paul Thompson and Chris Spedding on board. Why doesn't he do any songs > from In Your Mind? Could you imagine Paul playing > crap like Kiss and Tell? Sign of the Times was the only interesting track in the whole list.>> Which brings us back to the whole other kettle of fish - - personal opinion. This tour is never going to satisfy everyone. As I understand it, the current outdoor gigs are a similar arrangement to the Summer UK Gigs of 2000, where a certain number of 'hits' have to be played - under contract. Sure, I was a little disappointed too, as I was hoping, (if hits 'have' to be played) - to hear the likes of This Is Tomorrow, Tokyo Joe, Price Of Love. In an ideal world, tracks like Love Me Madly Again etc would find a place in there too. However, it's an easy thing for us to sit back and choose setlists, we're not the ones with a record company who are sponsoring tour costs leaning over our shoulders. It's been said that the setlist will change, as of the start of the official Frantic tour (ie, September), so I really hope this to be the case, only time will tell. But - anyone going along, hoping not to hear the likes of Jealous Guy, Let's Stick Together etc for the umpteenth time, hey, it's just not going to happen like that. Remember too, most people who have bought tickets will be going along to just one Ferry concert - and will expect, or want, to hear the obvious. The likes of people on this fan list, or any other fan list for that matter, are very much in the minority in the great scheme of things. And that's the way it will be. Anyone remember what a lot of us witnessed on the way back from some of the Roxy gigs last year ? Lots of overheard chatter on trains and buses with people saying things like "Oh, I was disappointed not to hear Slave To Love, and Let's Stick Together". Yep, it's true - the casual fan didn't know, or want to know, that they were playing Roxy songs only on that tour. It made no difference to them, and that is probably typical of 99% of the fans who go to any of these gigs, remember. They just want to hear a sprinkling of reasonably well known stuff, with a bundle of hits to end - and that's what they'll get. It's a difficult balance to achieve though, with the wealth of material on offer, considering Ferry plays his own stuff as well as some Roxy material. I remember thinking after the Odense Gig last weekend, that, if given the choice, I would have opted to hear none at all of the last 6 or 7 songs played, and would certainly have preferred others. But it doesn't work like that. How I'd love to be able to choose a setlist though - something a lot of us would love to do, I'm sure. Oh for a corporate gig run by us all... Reecey... Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:14:30 +0200 From: "S. Thomsen" Subject: [AVALON] Cecilia! Cecilia! "Please pics....?" I blush......That is a very naughty word in danish! Stefanzanera ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:29:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnny Reece Subject: [AVALON] Belfast BF tickets Just in case there's anyone out there who will be in or near Belfast for the BF gig at Belfast Castle next Tuesday, 4th June, I have 4 of the complimentary tickets spare, so if you need them, do email me offlist and I'll pop them in the post. Reecey... Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:19:27 -0700 From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Setlists first, from webwolf: >[snip] As much as I love Roxy, Bryan, you are a stud on your own! Grab those cajones and lets see some >spark!!!! Especially with Spedding at your side. much as i love ferry's work and general _scene_ (and with no offense to brian) ... i have to say that i'm getting rather scared. only in that i mentioned clowns and we get serial killers. now i suggest caution be thrown to the wind (in terms of the tour setlist) and i now have an image of 'studly' bryan ferry grabbing his cajones. best be careful what i say, me thinksssss ... from KB Porter: >I wonder if Mr. Ferry et al think his 90's material is too "layered" [snip] or could it be that Mr. Ferry >has bought into the idea (an incorrect judgment, in my opinion) that his 90's work is somehow inferior, >especially with respect to 'the voice not being there', when compared to 90's releases? sadly, it seems this may be so. i just don't see how he could think of 'mamouna' as some kind of lame duck in his musical cv. based on how it did commercially - whatever. i truly think it is a masterpiece. 'taxi', par example ... well, i liked it, but it's no 'mamouna'. and i liked 'atgb', though i have to say i haven't played it a whole lot. _______________________________________________________________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com<-----Original Message-----> >From: Johnny Reece >Remember too, most people who have bought tickets will be going along to just one Ferry concert - and will >expect, or want, to hear the obvious. [snip] what a lot of us witnessed on the way back from some of the >Roxy gigs last year ? Lots of overheard chatter on trains and buses with people saying things like "Oh, >I was disappointed not to hear Slave To Love, and Let's Stick Together". right. and who can expect to go and _not_ hear at least a good three/four 'classics' (depending on your P.O.V.)? but - what i just wanted to say here is -- can you also maybe imagine _some_ of these same people saying, 'wow - what was that tune he played, '[insert song here]' - - that was great!'? don't get me wrong - i live in the real world ... i've sat next to too many doofs (during concerts) who have just _no clue_ ... and *yes*, they bought tickets too (and they would like to hear the song 'avalon' dragged out for one whole show). i just think the time ought to be ripe for a really 'wealthy' setlist -- the man is so talented and he's got such a range of *originals* to pick from ... [heavy sigh] and with the success of the roxy tour ... it just seems like the right time. but what do i know? at any rate, having said that - i'm absolutely geeked he's on tour again. but i find nothing wrong with a little constructive venting either. someone *should* be listening ... and i don't know who's hands are tied or who has ferry's ear, etc., etc. >How I'd love to be able to choose a setlist though - something a lot of us would love to do, I'm sure. >Oh for a corporate gig run by us all... actually, all through your post i was wondering how much money avalonians could conjure/cough up for that _one concert_ with all the numbers we'd die to hear. then i realized i wasn't living in the real world at all anymore. but we can all dream, can't we?? and, so my definitive setlist (not living in the real world, but it feels *good*): cruel this is tomorrow sign of the times san simeon hiroshima the chosen one your painted smile zamba the right stuff as the world turns (just good, spedding & ferry) when she walks in the room love me madly again sensation which way to turn tokyo joe the price of love encores: you go to my head the only face (full band) strictly confidential ja nun hons pris/fool for love this island earth peaces/ms ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 20:41:01 +0200 From: "S. Thomsen" Subject: [AVALON] To future concert guests. Considering that the Danish shows was just a warm up, I would expect future ticketholders to be in for one hell of a ride! Especially the Jelling show proved that if the band can keep up the work or even improve it, you should consider yourself very, very lucky. I have never seen so many happy faces and steaming hot feets after the Jelling show. If that show was just a test before the "Real Tour", well.....then put on those "red shoes and dance". The 2001 Roxy Tour was something very special, I guess, for all the fans. Here comes a another chance to re-live some of the highlights from that tour and add some of Ferry's solo stuff. What a gift! Stefanzanera, Denmark ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:47:07 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Setlists > How I'd love to be able to choose a setlist though - > something a lot of us would love to do, I'm sure. > Oh for a corporate gig run by us all... > Excellent observations Mr Reece, but they have programmes on TV about fantasy football, so there is nothing to stop any of us having fantasy setlists, is there? Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:05:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] It doesn't look good for America - --- David Firmin wrote: > My only sour grapes are the fact that we get reamed > in the US for ticket > prices. I'm in agreement with David and I'm based in the UK. It won't stop people from buying tickets. From what I remember, the ticket prices being charged for some Roxy shows in America last year were considerably more more than the ticket prices in the U.K. I thought that this was somewhat unfair. Maybe it's just a American thing - I had a look at some of the TOP ticket prices for the Stones and McCartney in the U.S (approx $300 a throw) - no way would those sort of prices be charged in the U.K. Not a moan from me - just an observation. Aleks Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:46:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] It doesn't look good for America On Wed, 29 May 2002, David Firmin wrote: > My only sour grapes are the fact that we get reamed in the US for ticket > prices. It has nothing to do with Ferry's people. Probably the greedy > American promoters? So that means when you wrote > Whatever. It's a relief to me. They charge too much over here and the > set list isn't that great. it means you're not going to spend the next six months complaining about the setlist and the ticket prices because you've already decided not to attend any US shows, no matter what? Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:36:21 -0400 From: "John M. Gray" Subject: Re: [AVALON] It doesn't look good for America Just my two cents worth, and I hope I'm not going to be lambasted this time as I was when I mentioned recently that Ferry was as bad a singer as Dylan! I did recant the remark as it was not taken in the same jest that it was written! Anyway, given the fact that Frantic surprised me, what with the lack of self-penned tunes, it is a very listenable and likeable album. Ferry throws in his usual duff song that doesn't fit but there are some very "Ferry" interpretations. I do hope that when he does reach this side of the Atlantic that his set-list reflects a Ferry concert, not a Remake-Remodel, of songs that we hear every time. He has so much in his repertoire that could make a solo performance enjoyable that we wouldn't mind paying $100 to see. Given the fact that US and Canadian "fans" pay upwards of $2000 to watch a hockey, baseball, basketball or football game. Come to think of it, I suppose I would pay that to watch Scotland play in the World Cup so I kow my money is safe as there's not much chance of that happening in the foreseeable future! Regards, John - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aleks Kocan" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] It doesn't look good for America > --- David Firmin wrote: > > My only sour grapes are the fact that we get reamed > > in the US for ticket > > prices. > > I'm in agreement with David and I'm based in the UK. > It won't stop people from buying tickets. From what I > remember, the ticket prices being charged for some > Roxy shows in America last year were considerably more > more than the ticket prices in the U.K. I thought that > this was somewhat unfair. > > Maybe it's just a American thing - I had a look at > some of the TOP ticket prices for the Stones and > McCartney in the U.S (approx $300 a throw) - no way > would those sort of prices be charged in the U.K. > > Not a moan from me - just an observation. > > Aleks > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 18:12:40 -0500 From: "Jeff Turner" Subject: [AVALON] Why assume the setlist will change for America? There were rumors or notions that the setlist for the Roxy tour last year would be different in America than England, or perhaps markedly different from night to night, but it didn't happen. Oh sure, some nights they skipped Avalon or MOP, but it was the same basic setlist for the entire tour, from what I recall. I suspect the Frantic tour will be the same way. I too think it would be cool to hear him throw in something off IYM--I'm surprised he hasn't. BUt I would also like to see some numbers from Bete Noire and Mamouna. When i saw him on the ATGB tour, he didn't even do Slave for Love. I think the best way to get a more varied Ferry show is if he'd do NO Roxy songs at it--but we know that's not going to happen. Jeff Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 20:32:17 -0400 From: "Arnold Schulberg" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Jealous Guy/live (or setlist from hell?) Well written and to the point. I concur wholeheartedly. Let's hope that if the tour does come to the States that Ferry will have re-worked the setlist and gotten ballsy with it. Arnie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 18:30:38 -0500 From: "Jeff Turner" Subject: [AVALON] The Voice Well I must say I ask this with great trepidation, contemplating the zings and flames that may come my way, so let me say up front I mean it with no disrespect or lack of appreciation for BF. That said.... Has anyone noticed that his voice seems to be changing as he ages? On ATGB and on most of the stuff on the new album, his voice seems much breathier and reedier, for want of a better description, than it used to. It's really noticeably when you compare tracks on Frantic, which were recorded across a rather large span of years, if I remember correctly. Listen to Goddess of Love then Hiroshima. On Goddess, he has the "new" Ferry sound, but on Hiroshima, his voice sounds very robust, very much in "I Put a Spell on You" form. So, is his voice changing, or is it just the way he records it? A theater critic once described John Gielgud's voice as he aged by likening it to a trumpet whose notes were now slightly softened as if coming through a fold of silk. Very eloquent, although I'm not quoting it too accurately. Jeff _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 16:32:30 -0700 From: "David Firmin" Subject: Re: [AVALON] It doesn't look good for America Oh, I'll complain and I'll probably shell out big bucks to go again. This might be the last time to see this great line-up. Ferry is going to be 60 in a few years! If they don't come to America it would be a relief on my bank account. That's all. I shouldn't complain about the setlist either. My wife loves 'Kiss and Tell' and 'Avalon'. I guess opposites attract. I just wish they'd throw in a couple songs from 'In Your Mind'. NP - All Night Operator David - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Matan" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] It doesn't look good for America > On Wed, 29 May 2002, David Firmin wrote: > > > My only sour grapes are the fact that we get reamed in the US for ticket > > prices. It has nothing to do with Ferry's people. Probably the greedy > > American promoters? > > So that means when you wrote > > > Whatever. It's a relief to me. They charge too much over here and the > > set list isn't that great. > > it means you're not going to spend the next six months complaining about > the setlist and the ticket prices because you've already decided not to > attend any US shows, no matter what? > > Colleen > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 21:24:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Why assume the setlist will change for America? On Wed, 29 May 2002, Jeff Turner wrote: > There were rumors or notions that the setlist for the Roxy tour last > year would be different in America than England, or perhaps markedly > different from night to night, but it didn't happen. Oh sure, some > nights they skipped Avalon or MOP, but it was the same basic setlist for > the entire tour, from what I recall. I suspect the Frantic tour will be > the same way. Actually, as Reecey (who is certainly in a position to know) wrote: > satisfy everyone. As I understand it, the current > outdoor gigs are a similar arrangement to the Summer > UK Gigs of 2000, where a certain number of 'hits' have > to be played - under contract. That is, the model for any evolution of the set list isn't the Roxy tour from last year, but Ferry's As Time Goes By Tour, the setlist for which did change as it went from small(er) indoor venues (I was there at the opening night of the world tour in DC [substitute bass player and all (cue John Dillon)]) to the festival circuit. As the current setlist bears the same sort of structure, the speculation is that it might change again as the tour moves indoors in the fall after the festival circuit. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 21:33:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Voice On Wed, 29 May 2002, Jeff Turner wrote: > Has anyone noticed that his voice seems to be changing as he ages? On > ATGB and on most of the stuff on the new album, his voice seems much > breathier and reedier, for want of a better description, than it used > to. It's really noticeably when you compare tracks on Frantic, which > were recorded across a rather large span of years, if I remember > correctly. Listen to Goddess of Love then Hiroshima. On Goddess, he has > the "new" Ferry sound, but on Hiroshima, his voice sounds very robust, > very much in "I Put a Spell on You" form. So, is his voice changing, or > is it just the way he records it? There's no doubt about the change in his voice, but I'd hazard the guess that that both of those tracks were recorded around the same time. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Colleen (who never pores over liner notes when she has a stable of crackerjack anoraks around) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:46:22 -0400 From: "Helen Thorpe" Subject: [AVALON] Thoughts on Frantic It got released in Canada yesterday. Wor Bry sure cheaped out on the photo-budget. However, my local CD emporium had 10 copies, and I got a call at work mid-afternoon to tell me they only had the copy I'd put on hold left, and was I going to pick it up? DUH!!! Have no idea who else is buying the album - but glad to know I'm not the only fan amongst = million people in Greater Hamilton. Am thoroughly enjoying the entire thing is it's proper, glass-mastered glory. However - Goodnight Irene is still skipped, and the last 4 tracks are being played at ridiculously high volumes. My neighbours are either deaf, or fans. Cheers - and anyone know when tickets for the Newcastle Oct 23 gig are being mailed? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 23:11:31 -0400 From: "aranemgale" Subject: [AVALON] any cd traders out there?? Hi everyone, How are things going? My name is Rob and I'm new to the Avalon list. Just wanted to drop the list a note to say hi and to say that I am glad to see that Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry are still being talked about. Most of the people I know have never even heard of them...until I mentioned the name. I was happy to find out the Bryan's new album was being released. I still haven't got it yet. My local store hasn't received their shipped from EMI yet this week. Getting on my nerves as I really want to hear it. I have seen some great reviews so far. Hope it gets his name back out there again. Also, I was wondering if there are any cd-r traders out there? I have just started coming across a few Roxy/Ferry boots and would like to try to get some more...especially the Horoscope demos of Bryan Ferry's. I only have a few Roxy boots but have a fair bit more from other artist. If anyone might be interested in a trade please have a look at my website and drop me a line off list. No since adding any more posts than we need to. take care all Rob Check out my cd-r trade page at http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/celebrity/20/index.htm You never know what you might find... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #182 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest