From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #170 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, May 19 2002 Volume 07 : Number 170 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Roxy Duran mutual influence spiral [Chandla911@AOL.COM] [AVALON] Frantic (rather long) [=?iso-8859-1?q?john=20barry?= ] [AVALON] A rocker and a gentleman ["David Firmin" ] [AVALON] The Frantic Cult Of Bryan Ferry ["David Firmin" ] Re: [AVALON] young & single minded ["paula brown" ] [AVALON] Coincidence? [Jane Fraser ] [AVALON] Turkish Article Links ["M" ] [AVALON] Frantic US packaging the same ["Grant Goggans" ] [AVALON] Afro Celt Sound System [InterEireann@AOL.COM] Re: [AVALON] Another Ferry / Pete Glenister connection ["Mark Yates" ] [AVALON] RE; Hello Cleveland! tree ["seely31" ] Re: [AVALON] young & single minded [Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] Frantic (rather long) Hello Paula I agree Paula it is great to have new Ferry tracks to listen to and enjoy. I just feel that the work of Roxy and Ferry s own work (not covers)especially IYM were of a timeless quality I don't listen to early Roxy /Ferry work and think that was the 70s or 80s era It was pre punk ,pre disco, pre new romantic, but could quite easily be released now and feel, like then , a totally new sound . In my view Manifesto saw the start of the Roxy/Ferry sound moving towards main stream acceptance I accept it must be hard as the years roll on to repeat that definitive sound . I think Frantic is Ferry s best and creative work since Boys and Girls (not counting ATGB)but it still for me does not break out from the surrounding or past music like the early work Watching the Apollo Roxy tour I couldn't imagine any track from frantic being worthy of being on the listing Hopefully after this seasons concerts my view may change All said and done its great to be able to share and discuss ones love of Roxy/Ferry with other Fans Viva Roxy Viva Ferry Viva Avalon Best regards John B ===== John B Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 10:22:54 +0000 From: "Telford Man" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Liverpool, Kings Dock Arena Easiest route from the south is to take the M6 north and then M62 to Liverpool. Follow this motorway to the end then just follow the signs for the city centre (pretty much a straight run in). You'll see signs for the Albert Dock - follow these as Kings Dock is next to the Albert Dock (not the Liver Building side). I imagine that nearer the time there will also be AA / RAC signs for this event as it's a major attraction in the city and is running for about a fortnight I think. Anyone travelling to Liverpool by train should either get a cab to Kings Dock or pick up the underground at Liverpool Lime Street and take the tube to James Street Station. Upon leaving the station turn right and you'll come to the main dock road (Strand!). To your right you'll see the Liver Building and to the left the Albert Dock. Kings Dock is just beyond the Albert Dock. >From: "richard-mandy" >To: >Subject: [AVALON] Re: Liverpool, Kings Dock Arena >Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:00:12 +0100 > >Is there anyone out there who could give me an address/directions to the >Kings >Dock Arena, please. > >I shall be coming from Stafford. >Thanks very much >Mandy > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 09:25:01 EDT From: Chandla911@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] Live At The Apollo I'm a little late, I know, but having failed to win the contest in the Luton Herald & Post newspaper, I am now finally ready to buy the DVD Live At the Apollo. Can anyone please e-mail me OFFLIST with the details of the best deal for this item? My mind is confused by all the recent talk of Tesco Top 10s and mail order prices. I'm just looking to get the DVD for the cheapest price possible. Look forward to hearing from you. Best wishes Richard Mills n/p Slow Burn - David Bowie guesting on Jonathan Ross BBC Radio 2 ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 15:35:20 +0200 From: "S. Thomsen" Subject: [AVALON] Looking for 'Norfolk 88 "supplier", London! This morning I had a breakdown on my computer. I had to format, and lost a mail from a person I had received a letter from friday. It was about the cd-tree of the '88 Ferry bootleg. Please contact me again. You were from London. Stefan Thomsen, Denmark ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 14:01:26 +0000 From: "kaye grovess" Subject: [AVALON] young & single minded My 17yr old daughter brought home a few of her mates all boys ! when frantic just happened to be on the stereo, unlike my daughter they were keen to listen to the whole album .When told which two tracks had been chosen for single release they were surprised they thought a fool for love & Hiroshima were far more commercially marketable than baby blue & goddess of love. Interesting don't you think ? _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 07:33:39 -0700 From: "David Firmin" Subject: [AVALON] A rocker and a gentleman I copied the last paragraph from this story... very interesting: Ferry now lives in Sussex, where his children bombard him with music by Dr Dre. Next month, he will tour Britain as a solo artist. After that, there may be more live Roxy Music and possibly even new Roxy music, not least because Ferry - the wag - suggests it would be "fun" to get the cover art going again. I suggest Nicole Kidman as the epitome of the Roxy cover girl. "Mmm," Ferry considers, with a final cheery laugh. "I'll put her name in the hat." A rocker and a gentleman http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/05/17/1021544069141.html *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 07:41:33 -0700 From: "David Firmin" Subject: [AVALON] The Frantic Cult Of Bryan Ferry Another story at this link: http://www.chartattack.com/damn/2002/05/1708.cfm *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 16:12:09 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic I couldn't disagree more John....Still that's the wonderful thing about music so many differing views. Personally as much as I like the early solo work of Ferry I still consider Frantic to be his finest work to date. Mark. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "john barry" To: "avalon" Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 12:30 AM Subject: [AVALON] Frantic > I would be interested to know how many people on the > list were still playing FRANTIC I must admit Ive > reverted back to Roxy Music ( the 1st album ) no > contest > > I think that Frantics OK but other solo work eg In > your Mind leaves it standing. > > I like Goddess of Love but the rest have a real late > 80s feel > > I wish Ferry could recapture some of that raw creative > talent > > He tated on JR show that now adays Bands all sounded > the same and when Roxy started thay wanted to be a > different sound > > I know the years march on but In the main since Avalon > / Boys and Girls I dont think Ferry has createad > anything that sounds that much different > > Nothing compares to songs like Out of The Blue, Both > Ends Burning ,Tokyo Joe ,To turn you on. > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 10:41:54 -0500 From: "paula brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] young & single minded Which country are you in? Just curious. The markets are more sophisticated and less commercial in Europe than U.S. I think Goddess of Love is the great hope in the U.S., but I think Ja Nun Hons Prix/Fool for Love is far and away the standout on the CD. Both Hiroshima and I Thought are infectious, but it's hard to imagine what format would play I Thought. Hiroshima might find venues in sort of industrial dance arenas. Paula My 17yr old daughter brought home a few of her mates all boys ! when frantic just happened to be on the stereo, unlike my daughter they were keen to listen to the whole album .When told which two tracks had been chosen for single release they were surprised they thought a fool for love & Hiroshima were far more commercially marketable than baby blue & goddess of love. Interesting don't you think ? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 18:15:35 +0100 From: Jane Fraser Subject: [AVALON] Coincidence? I see from the tour schedule that Bryan is spending his birthday in Vienna again, as he did on last year's Roxy tour. It's my birthday too. :-)) Jane ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 13:34:28 -0400 From: "M" Subject: [AVALON] Turkish Article Links A couple of Turkish articles: http://www.hurriyetim.com.tr/haber/0,,sid~5@nvid~128484,00.asp http://www.milliyet.com.tr/2002/05/17/sanat/san06.html M ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A young New Yorker called M Was frequently seen with old men Described as fantastic She preferred lots of plastic Especially Barbie and Ken. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 15:03:20 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] Frantic US packaging the same Hey everyone... Finding zero luck in the indie record stores in Cobb County on today's shopping expedition, I stopped into Wherehouse Music in Mayretta, to be greeted by the sounds of "I Thought." I asked the clerks if I could see the album, and it was a prerelease copy with the marbelized cover -- not the alternate promo version spotted with the more casual photo and the neat font. The back cover had a large PROMO ONLY sticker obscuring some of the text, but on the paper itself, not on the jewelbox. No, they wouldn't sell it to me, but I thanked them for playing it. They agreed it was a great album and had been listening to it all week. - --Grant _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 15:06:28 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] Another Ferry / Pete Glenister connection I was listening to Kirsty MacColl's 1993 album Titanic Days and looked in the liner notes. Pete Glenister plays on most of the songs, along with former Roxy bassist Gary Tibbs, and 80s Ferry sideman Chester Kamen. - --G. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 18:46:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] young & single minded On Sat, 18 May 2002, paula brown wrote: > Which country are you in? Just curious. The markets are more > sophisticated and less commercial in Europe than U.S. I think Goddess Which explains that epitome of European musical sophistication, the Spice Girls. or were you referring to Julio Iglecias (sp?)? On a more serious note, I think this is an easy fallback statement, especially to somehow excuse the lack of success of any particular artist in the US, but it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Spend any significant amount of time listening to the Top 40-equivalent stations in any country outside of the US and you will hear basically the same things--pop music. Some in English, and some in the vernacular, but it will be, by and large, all pop music. Just as it is here in the US. As far as I know, Europeans stopped listening to medieval music on a daily basis about 500 years ago. You can't judge the level taste of the American music public--or indeed any nation--by looking at the bestsellers. Popular culture is designed to sell to the lowest common denominator, and in this case, music, that's teenagers. In fact, I would hope that one would hope that we would look at the charts with some distaste as we're no longer teenagers and that fluff isn't enough to feed us now that we are adults. Then again (says the woman being dragged around this summer by someone travelling a great distance to see Phil Lesh when she's not even a Grateful Dead fan) sometimes we need to realize we're not the teenagers anymore, and the fact that what's popular doesn't (necessarily) reflect our level of taste doesn't mean it ipso facto sucks. The knee jerk reaction that Americans aren't as sophisticated as the rest of the world really gets under my skin. This culture supports a myriad of museums, local theatre groups, independent filmmakers, fringe musicians, symphonies, ballets, opera groups and the like. The fact that Britney Spears sells millions of records has nothing to do with it, nor does it reflect anything other than what has been the fundamental nature of pop music for the last 50 years: what sells to teenagers. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 19:30:00 EDT From: InterEireann@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] Afro Celt Sound System Living in New York, I was nevertheless lsitening to "whispering" Bob Harris today on Radio 2 and he played something by this group. I know a number of people have talked about them here. Great sound. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 00:45:54 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Another Ferry / Pete Glenister connection That's a great album Grant...Kirsty is missed by a great number of us..........she sure was a great talent. Mark - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Goggans" To: Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 8:06 PM Subject: [AVALON] Another Ferry / Pete Glenister connection > I was listening to Kirsty MacColl's 1993 album Titanic Days and looked in > the liner notes. Pete Glenister plays on most of the songs, along with > former Roxy bassist Gary Tibbs, and 80s Ferry sideman Chester Kamen. > > --G. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 19:45:58 -0500 From: Karen Swenson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Kirsty on 5/18/02 6:45 PM, Mark Yates at mark@myates19.fsnet.co.uk wrote: > Kirsty is missed by a great number of > us Listening to Shane MacGowan and the Popes' new album the other night, I was wiping away tears listening to the duet with his mother on "Fairytale of NY" and remembering Kirsty. Still misty and ungrammatical, Karen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 21:47:56 -0400 From: "seely31" Subject: [AVALON] RE; Hello Cleveland! tree Courtesy of Mr. Grant Goggans, I am also offering a tree for the Cleveland 1979 show, which I am calling "Hello Cleveland!" (in the words of Fats Waller, if you got to ask, you'll never know!). If you are interested, please contact me and be one of the first 5 people to do so. In order to qualify, you will need to do the following: 1. Please send an SASE, padded. Please do not ask me to affix labels or reuse the envelope you send. 2. Send 2.00 for blank discs. Do not send your own blanks, unless they happen to be Maxell or TDK; my recorder is getting very crotchety in its old age. 3. Mail these no later than June 1. Thanks, Pete Seely ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 09:12:22 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] young & single minded At 18.46 -0400 2-05-18, Colleen Matan wrote: >Which explains that epitome of European musical sophistication, the Spice >Girls. or were you referring to Julio Iglecias (sp?)? C'mon, Moby likes the Spice Girls. They were fun when they came, but could not transend to an older audience. They made their money of out six year old children's parents. Julio Inglesias (sp?) har never moved me up here in the cold north. Wrong sex I guess, but the female Italians has always been more liked by my sonn 80-year old mother -- she speaks Italian. >On a more serious note, I think this is an easy fallback statement, >especially to somehow excuse the lack of success of any particular artist >in the US, but it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Spend any significant >amount of time listening to the Top 40-equivalent stations in any country >outside of the US and you will hear basically the same things--pop music. >Some in English, and some in the vernacular, but it will be, by and large, >all pop music. Just as it is here in the US. As far as I know, Europeans >stopped listening to medieval music on a daily basis about 500 years ago. But there are acts that are huge in Europe that don't make much of an impact in the US. Robbie Williams and The Beautiful South are two British acts that comes to mind. Bestselling Swedish novellist and Springsteen-like singer/songwriter Ulf Lundell is well liked and respected in Scandinavia, as is Kent (whose English albums bombed in comparrism). It's not only Abba, Ace of Bace, Cardigans etc. >You can't judge the level taste of the American music public--or indeed >any nation--by looking at the bestsellers. Popular culture is designed to >sell to the lowest common denominator, and in this case, music, that's >teenagers. In fact, I would hope that one would hope that we would look >at the charts with some distaste as we're no longer teenagers and that >fluff isn't enough to feed us now that we are adults. Then again (says >the woman being dragged around this summer by someone travelling a great >distance to see Phil Lesh when she's not even a Grateful Dead fan) >sometimes we need to realize we're not the teenagers anymore, and the fact >that what's popular doesn't (necessarily) reflect our level of taste >doesn't mean it ipso facto sucks. I think we talk music on a different level here. US music is much more segmented. As an exchange student in 1977-78 I heard much more British punk on the radio, The Jam stands out, and I seldom heard any black American music. I discovered Motown through Dave Marsh. When I interviewed him in 1984 I thought that Grateful Dead was the genuine American music, but he said that he never liked it and that Tamla Motown was the US major contribution to rock. soul. pop -- whatever you want to call it. My school friends from a white suburban high school went on the graduate school and one of them has a huge CD collection made up by White, mostly American artists. Americans look funny at me when I but CD's by black artists like Prince, ok it was in the South. When I wrote on of them I list of CD's I liked in 1996 or so she found the inclusion of Curtis Mayfield and Bryan Ferry ecclectic -- which is nice. >The knee jerk reaction that Americans aren't as sophisticated as the rest >of the world really gets under my skin. This culture supports a myriad of >museums, local theatre groups, independent filmmakers, fringe musicians, >symphonies, ballets, opera groups and the like. The fact that Britney >Spears sells millions of records has nothing to do with it, nor does it >reflect anything other than what has been the fundamental nature of pop >music for the last 50 years: what sells to teenagers. I know the Swedish general consul in New York and he writes a monthly newsletter telling how he goes to parties, bumping into Donald Trump, Monica Levinsky, the mayor of New York, Michael Bloomberg, etc. Deals are made during drinks. He also writes about working with the Bard Graduate Center, the American Craft Museum, the Jewish Heritage Museum etc. The New York Times' writer spends two days with him on a story. The Times demanded that his residence must be open for the public, otherwise they would not write about the installation in the residence about designer Josef Frank. It all worked out fine, good publicity, a great turn out. So, from my perspective, I'll give Colleen right. NP Wilson Philips, Hotel California Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #170 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest