From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #151 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, May 1 2002 Volume 07 : Number 151 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Lieutentant Pigeon [Leonard_Thomson@firstbs.com] Re: [AVALON] Lieutentant Pigeon ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Later... tickets - the official BBC line ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] test ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic review (spoiler) ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] 3 Questions, and oh so much more. [KB Porter ] [AVALON] Eh? ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] What if? [David Firmin ] Re: [AVALON] Eh? [Go2Sweeney@AOL.COM] Re: [AVALON] Eh?/Baby Blue!/Friendly Pub? ["Duncan Watkins" ] [AVALON] Frantic chart [Go2Sweeney@AOL.COM] [AVALON] Baby Blue at TOTP2 ["Ed Stobbelaar" ] [AVALON] TOTP2 [Go2Sweeney@AOL.COM] Re: [AVALON] Baby Blue at TOTP2 ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] Baby Blue at TOTP2 [Bahi ] [AVALON] TOTP 2 ["Richard Thomas" ] [AVALON] 40's chic [Bahi ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic - almost!!! ["Mark Yates" ] [AVALON] Ferry's Retirement et al ["Helen Thorpe" ] [AVALON] No Singles to Adventure? ["Helen Thorpe" ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic - almost!!! ["Pete Seely" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 10:02:28 +0100 From: Leonard_Thomson@firstbs.com Subject: [AVALON] Lieutentant Pigeon On listening to 'I Thought', am I the only one who expects it to break into 'Mouldy Old Dough' at any moment? 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Regards to all, Len ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 10:11:28 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Later... tickets - the official BBC line http://www.bbc.co.uk/later/ TICKETS FOR LATER ALL GONE As there's now a MASSIVE waiting list for Later with Jools tickets, the phone lines are now closed. We'll let you know if this situation changes ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 13:46:03 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: [AVALON] test Hi! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 13:47:14 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] test Hello! You've passed. >>> "terrypaulrigz8c" 05/01 1:46 pm >>> Hi! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 13:53:05 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic review (spoiler) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Colleen Matan To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic review (spoiler) Hi Colleen, Have we lost SOTW forever or are we just having a rest. Terry "O" NP: Fool for Love, todays Fave. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 13:57:06 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] test Thanks, just feelin' a bit lonely yknow, good to know your keeping an eye. Mouldy Old Dough! I think not. Terry "O" NP: Goodnight Irene, FAB. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Galloway To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] test > Hello! > > You've passed. > > >>> "terrypaulrigz8c" 05/01 1:46 pm >>> > Hi! > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 09:07:44 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] 3 Questions, and oh so much more. Hello! I'm catching up with the world of Avalon. Thus far: Happy Belated Birthday to Colleen, and Happy Premature Birthday to John O'Brien, and 2HB2 all other Avillers out there. [(also happy birthday to) pencil that in for fun.] Thank you, M, for the delightful intrigue of BF foiled - once more - by the silver suit. A tragically cut figure indeed! Dear Terry "O": Have any answers been offered for your interesting questions? -Especially number three, "As Musical Director was it Colin that got Bryan to put the Horoscope/Frantic/Box Set et all things on hold and instigated the ATGB album & tour?"? Please share any details. Fair Simon: "red ruby lips, child bearing hips"! Yes, something like an answer to "Pretty Woman" - Lord have mercy - - saddle shoes I like, but trash the poodle skirts. And, yes, you do not have to make up your mind yet. The disk will be there for further impressions. Enjoy at your leisure. Bahi, as always, your thoughts make me mindful of the high caliber of mental dexterity resident on Alist via individuals such as yourself. Ferry and movies - do you think his late night hours are spent with the VCR and a cupboard full of black and whites? Nobody's perfect - another Misfit for Ms. Monroe? Please, if you are able and willing to share the missing words to "Nobody Loves Me", I'd love to know them, too! Surely they can not be, 'Fate is in my hand. Faye, I'll be your man. Go, express train - run off the rails. Done away by Dior tales.' :) What's this? Four announced dates in Brazil? - didn't know Mr. Ferry was keen on Portuguese (or is it the other way around) - anyway, is he multi-lingual? Settle down Paula Brown - that is not a reference to surging hormonal activity. Like a moth to the flame, you don't stand a chance with Katie in assistance! Sorry if that seems harsh - - but sometimes you've got to accept that you and at least one hundred and one more ladies lie in wait for their Lord. It is no wonder to me that Bryan Ferry is world weary. But, I bet there are many more women in Brazil that would rather be with Ayrton Senna - if he were still alive - God rest his soul, the day that F-1 died. Irena S, your work colleagues sound like good friends. You are very fortunate those around you enjoy and appreciate your presence, AND are not shy to let you know how they feel about you! Very fortunate. Now, Irena, my haphazard stab at the three most important things in Bryan Ferry's world - Life. Liberty. And the pursuit of Happiness? Do I win a prize? OK, I'll settle for some white light. Kamaya, kindred spirit, keynotes my sentiment for the upcoming tour: "There were big ads for Frantic in all the Sunday papers today so heres hoping for sales to encourage tour activity here!!" Folks, a vote with your dollars will sweeten the pot for a North American leg! - Money talks, bullshit walks. "Remember me?" Of course, Laura! Have you been doing well at school? Are your parents ready to let you spend concert nights out with web-found Avies, yet? You could do worse - you know. Take care, and good luck on your exams. Ignacio! You Must Attend At Least One Ferry Concert This Upcoming Tour! I still think your review from the Roxy reformed tour was as top as notch can be! When I read the tour roster I was sure you'd be willing to write another gem for our pleasure - you must! John, nice picks - "True To Life" or "Day For Night" - as piano/vocal tour choices. I think "The 39 Steps" or "Midnight Train" would do nicely, too. BTW, thanks to all individuals who have carefully brought Avalon List information about "Frantic" and its ensuing tour. Viva, Bryan Ferry! And, "Frantic" is no swan song. It hopes to generate new fans (who are crucial) to sustain this phase of his career and upon which to build the next. Finally, the market machine may have done some things correctly this time. Welcome, Glenn Svendsen! I hope you enjoy your time spent with Avalon List. - A more diverse group of people you will not find elsewhere! Thanks to Chris for the updates. (Do you ever sleep?) Mr Avalon, I have it on not so reliable word that Ferry is expected to revisit 'Thee Salon' on April Fifth 2004 - for his quadrennial eyebrow waxing! Oh, the pain of it all! I'm sure he will enjoy it. Well, as absent as I have been, this is as up to date as I am feeling. Forgive the ramble. But as I must sashay away, another installment, another day. Still haven't recovered "Another Time Another Place", perhaps tomorrow. Best wishes to all, and to all, a good May First. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 09:34:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic review (spoiler) On Wed, 1 May 2002, terrypaulrigz8c wrote: > Hi Colleen, > Have we lost SOTW forever or are we just having a rest. Hi Terry, Just a rest since there's lots of music talk with _Frantic_ being releasd, reviews/interviews under discussion, upcoming TV appearances, etc. It'll be back eventually. By the way, I am loving the discussion on the list as of late. I hope to find some more time later this week to contribute to more of it. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 14:59:39 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Eh? http://www.livegigguide.com/info.asp?id=261749&ev=ferry&tp=&sb_date=1%2F5%2F2002&date_field=0&genre=general&showall= Title: ROXY MUSIC Venue: Scottish Exhibition And Conference Centre Address: Exhibition Way, Glasgow, Strathclyde, G3 8YW Phone: 0870 040 4000 Date: Sunday 29th September 2002 Time: Sep 29, 8pm Price: Unknown, please phone venue for pricing information Description: First live dates for 18 years by Bryan Ferry's MOR glam-pop pioneers. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 08:37:27 -0700 From: David Firmin Subject: [AVALON] What if? Another review: Bryan Ferry - Frantic Virgin Records - 2002 - 47 minutes In the early 1970s, the combined talents of Bryan Ferry and Brian Eno left a two-album legacy which holds its own as some of the most inventive and influential British music of the past three decades. When Eno left Roxy Music in 1973, Ferry and co kept the flag flying until the band petered out in the aftermath of 'Avalon' in 1983. Yet although Roxy Music produced some high-quality material post-Eno, one question has always remained - what if? 'Frantic' continues Ferry's long tradition of releasing solo albums which juxtapose original material with cover versions. His Dylan fascination remains as strong as ever, and this contains two Zimmerman standards - 'It's All Over Now, Baby Blue', and 'Don't Think Twice, It's All Right'. Fine versions they are too, reminding us that Ferry is, among other things, a unique interpreter and arranger. But the original 'Sultan of Suave' is not just a distinctive voice and persona, and he doesn't shy away from taking the writing baton himself. The analysis of this new material is arguably the most intriguing aspect of 'Frantic'. Of the four new songs co-written with ex-Eurythmic Dave Stewart - 'Goddess Of Love', 'Nobody Loves Me', 'Cruel' and 'San Simeon' - only the latter is worth getting excited about. Ferry fares altogether better sans Stewart, as evinced by the unsettlingly atmospheric 'Hiroshima' - featuring Radiohead's Johnny Greenwood - and the ruptured romance of 'A Fool For Love'. Ferry saves the best for last, however, and it's almost poetic that it should be his first collaboration with Eno since the days when platform shoes and outlandish costumes and hair were de rigueur. 'I Thought' provides a hauntingly beautiful finale, soaring over a sonic plateau of stellar sounds, and punctuated with some plaintive harmonica from the great man himself (Ferry, not Eno) in the song's climax. Rumour has it that the pair are planning to write more material together in the near future. On this evidence, we needn't worry about the legacy of their Roxy partnership being sullied - but there's just one thing you can't help thinking. What if...? www.rte.ie - --- I also read that on June 18th 'Frantic' will be re-promoted in France as part of the 'More Music' campaign and the album will have 2 bonus tracks which are likely to be 'Smoke Dreams' and 'I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know'. David *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 11:44:27 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eh? Looks like they've go it wrong, Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 17:42:24 +0100 From: "Duncan Watkins" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eh?/Baby Blue!/Friendly Pub? Simon, This may be part of the tour culminating on the date STILL listed on ticketmaster.co.uk for Roxy Music M.E.N. Arena Fri 31/12/10! Don't forget'..Baby Blue' TOTP2 BBC2 Tonight listed currently for 18.20. Just realised that England play Sweden in the world cup on the morning of Sunday June 2nd, this is the day after the Edinburgh gig -great timing! Anyone know of a nice friendly pub in the town to watch the match? -joke! What's the quickest way to the border? Regards, Duncan. >From: "Simon Galloway" >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Eh? >Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 14:59:39 +0100 >http://www.livegigguide.com/info.asp?id=261749&ev=ferry&tp=&sb_date=1%2F5%2F2002&date_field=0&genre=general&showall= > >Title: >ROXY MUSIC > >Venue: >Scottish Exhibition And Conference Centre > >Address: >Exhibition Way, Glasgow, Strathclyde, G3 8YW > >Phone: >0870 040 4000 > >Date: >Sunday 29th September 2002 > >Time: >Sep 29, 8pm > >Price: >Unknown, please phone venue for pricing information > >Description: >First live dates for 18 years by Bryan Ferry's MOR glam-pop pioneers. > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 18:29:38 +0100 From: "anotherphotographer" Subject: [AVALON] TOP2? OH no! it's not ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 13:45:07 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] Frantic chart Here, after quite a few listenings, is my opinion: 1. San Simeon (I like the line "executive leather..." 2. I thought -brilliant record, wonderful lyrics 3. Cruel -Nice uptempo number 4. Goddess of love -should do quite well in the charts 5. Nobody loves me 6. Hiroshima 7. Fool for love 8. Goin' down 9. one way love 10. It's all over now 11. Don't think twice 12. Ja nun hons pris 13. Goodnight Irene Regards, Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 19:58:26 +0200 From: "Ed Stobbelaar" Subject: [AVALON] Baby Blue at TOTP2 What a great performance of Baby Blue at TOTP2. I think it was much better then Goddess of Love in the Parkinson-show. I know, I had to be there... Ed ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 14:33:40 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] TOTP2 I enjoyed It's all over now on TOTP2 very much, I relieved that day when I went to see it recorded! Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:00:30 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Baby Blue at TOTP2 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Stobbelaar To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:58 PM Subject: [AVALON] Baby Blue at TOTP2 > What a great performance of Baby Blue at TOTP2. > I think it was much better then Goddess of Love in the Parkinson-show. > > I know, I had to be there... > > Ed > I agree, Baby Blue is so immediate and bluesey it makes for a great performance. Terry "O" > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 19:58:51 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] TOTP2 - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 7:33 PM Subject: [AVALON] TOTP2 > I enjoyed It's all over now on TOTP2 very much, I relieved that day when I > went to see it recorded! > Goodie > I was there too and it was fantastic. However I don't remember being relieved, or thankfully seeing anyone else relieving themselves!!!!!! Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:10:09 +0100 From: Bahi Subject: Re: [AVALON] Baby Blue at TOTP2 Ferry looks like a slightly cruel French film star these days and exudes such cool - the unbeatable tailoring, the menacing expression, even when smiling - that when the harmonica solo suddenly became a kind of on-screen dual, just inches from the camera, it seemed a little violent, until the disarming grin at the end. It was great to see Bryan playing to and with the camera again - I haven't seen that in a while. The audio mix was odd; the sound of his voice never moved away from the softer tone of recent years and didn't come close to matching the harder, brittle performance you hear on the record. By burying his voice somewhat, I thought the mixer made the vocal sound too weak in comparison to those we heard earlier on the show. (They didn't all mime.) Three cheers for the extremely enthusiastic crowd - I didn't see much of you but I certainly heard you and saw the arms waving all over the place. Definitely the best audience of the show. And even Steve Wright was quite complimentary about Ferry, which I wasn't expecting. Welcome back, KBP. ('Done away by Dior tales'? I'll give it another listen.) Watch out for the non-breaking spaces, B ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 22:44:45 +0100 From: "Richard Thomas" Subject: [AVALON] TOTP 2 Hi I was in the audience at TOTP 2 - but I forgot to watch this evening!! Did anybody tape it??? Dawn PS Hi to Julie - we met in the queue. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 23:47:35 +0100 From: Bahi Subject: [AVALON] 40's chic Here's an article on Nile Rodgers, of Chic, and the influence Roxy had on him. It was posted to the list by someone a long time ago but I've forgotten who it was. The piece itself is now 17 years old. "At the time I had a very condescending attitude toward any kind of commercial music," recounts Nile, "because I was into jazz. But then one night in London I saw Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music, and they had the two girls singing and the whole style. They just looked really cool, like the '40s. I associated with that, you know - the big bands. So I wrote out an arrangement for Bess, You Is My Woman Now disco style, and Bernard and I and some session men went into Sound Ideas Studios after hours." At the time of the write-up, Nile had played rhythm guitar on Boys and Girls, on which Alfa Andersson also appears; the following year, he co-wrote Help Me with Ferry, for The Fly. I've heard it said a few times that Roxy Music was a major inspiration behind the line-up of Chic but it's good to read it in Rodgers' own words. Interesting, too, how the influence came full circle in the end. B ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 00:00:23 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic - almost!!! I must have misunderstood you Pete. I thought you wrote that FRANTIC was a step forward, I understood that to be a positive statement.....but it seems you would have preferred him to take a GIANT <30 year> STEP BACK. You also wrote that it could do with a "Hefty dose of Roxy" well its got Thompson, Eno and Ferry on it. just how much Roxy do you want. I spent the later part of the seventies saying "wouldn't it be great if Roxy would get back together if only for one Album" and I spent the first half of the Eighties saying "NO NO NO no more" your better on your own Ferry. It's 2002 Pete........."wake up and smell the roses" P.s Give me Spedding over Manzanera any day. Mark - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Seely" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:05 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic - almost!!! > What a fallacious argument: comparing Frantic with Flesh and Blood! > Of course, that particular comparison is valid, but compare the first four > Roxy albums with Bete Noire or Boys and Girls or Taxi. No contest, either! > Why would anyone take a bunch of studio hacks as a "band" over Roxy? > > Pete S. > > > Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Yates" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 6:47 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic - almost!!! > > > > I gotta disagree with you Richard.......I think the last thing it needs is > a > > dose of Roxy.. > > In fact the album is perfect...Ferry without Roxy has so much more freedom > > of expression.... without having to take the other band > > members into account. I'm not knocking Roxy but lets face it .......his > solo > > work since 75 has been far superior to the last three Roxy > albums.......just > > compare Frantic with Flesh and Blood.........No contest. > > Mark. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:27 PM > > Subject: [AVALON] Frantic - almost!!! > > > > > > > Frantic is a massive step forward for Bryan. As much as I loved the > > > soundscapes of Taxi and Mamouna. Its good to hear his voice against > > > songs that have a beat again. > > > > > > That said it sounds like a collection of ad hoc recordings stuck on one > > > disc. There is no real dicernable feel to the whole thing. It might have > > > been better to re-record the lot with one consistent set of musicians. > > > > > > It is however the nest of his later solo work. I Thought is great and > > > sounds like Bryan putting a vocals over a track from Warm Jets. > > > > > > Goddess and San Simeon also stand out, but the rest is average at best. > > > > > > Overall it sounds as though it could do with a hefty dose of Roxy. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > The subliminable footer says: > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 00:08:00 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic - almost!!! (Richard) Lets not fool ourselves Richard. What has Mackay given us without Ferry........go on.......Errrr.. Rock follies which was... absolute CRAP. and two of the most uninspiring instrumental albums you could ever wish to hear........That bloody awful version of "What becomes of a broken hearted" Ferry has carried them for long enough.........No more. enough is enough. Mark. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Mark Yates" Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic - almost!!! > Mark > > Hmmmmmm - I have real difficulty with the solos being better than the > last three Roxy albums. The only two (solo and band) I think come near > the mark are Taxi and Avalon. They both have a focus, a single purpose > which allows the listener to enjoy it without being suddenly startled. > > The electicism that worked on early Roxy overwhelms later attempts. > > I agree with you about F&B - not a great addition to the cannon. But > Frantic, while better is still not all there. > > I believe the discipline of working in a band is good for Bryan. Phil > and Andy are not less talented, they just have different talents. Andy > can't play guitar like Phil, Bryan can't play sax or oboe and Andy can't > sing. > > I do however think frantic should 6 or 7 out of ten. > > cheers > > richard > > > On Tuesday, April 30, 2002, at 10:47 , Mark Yates wrote: > > > I gotta disagree with you Richard.......I think the last thing it needs > > is a > > dose of Roxy.. > > In fact the album is perfect...Ferry without Roxy has so much more > > freedom > > of expression.... without having to take the other band > > members into account. I'm not knocking Roxy but lets face it .......his > > solo > > work since 75 has been far superior to the last three Roxy > > albums.......just > > compare Frantic with Flesh and Blood.........No contest. > > Mark. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:27 PM > > Subject: [AVALON] Frantic - almost!!! > > > > > >> Frantic is a massive step forward for Bryan. As much as I loved the > >> soundscapes of Taxi and Mamouna. Its good to hear his voice against > >> songs that have a beat again. > >> > >> That said it sounds like a collection of ad hoc recordings stuck on one > >> disc. There is no real dicernable feel to the whole thing. It might > >> have > >> been better to re-record the lot with one consistent set of musicians. > >> > >> It is however the nest of his later solo work. I Thought is great and > >> sounds like Bryan putting a vocals over a track from Warm Jets. > >> > >> Goddess and San Simeon also stand out, but the rest is average at best. > >> > >> Overall it sounds as though it could do with a hefty dose of Roxy. > >> > Cheers > > Richard > >> > >> > >> > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > >> The subliminable footer says: > >> To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > >> unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 00:32:29 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 40's chic Top man Nile........did some great work with Bowie. Mark - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bahi" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:47 PM Subject: [AVALON] 40's chic > Here's an article on Nile Rodgers, of Chic, and the influence Roxy > had on him. It was posted to the list by someone a long time ago but > I've forgotten who it was. The piece itself is now 17 years old. > > > > "At the time I had a very condescending attitude toward any kind of > commercial music," recounts Nile, "because I was into jazz. But then > one night in London I saw Bryan Ferry and Roxy Music, and they had > the two girls singing and the whole style. They just looked really > cool, like the '40s. I associated with that, you know - the big > bands. So I wrote out an arrangement for Bess, You Is My Woman Now > disco style, and Bernard and I and some session men went into Sound > Ideas Studios after hours." > > At the time of the write-up, Nile had played rhythm guitar on Boys > and Girls, on which Alfa Andersson also appears; the following year, > he co-wrote Help Me with Ferry, for The Fly. I've heard it said a few > times that Roxy Music was a major inspiration behind the line-up of > Chic but it's good to read it in Rodgers' own words. Interesting, > too, how the influence came full circle in the end. > > B > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:41:45 -0400 From: "Helen Thorpe" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry's Retirement et al 'Scuse me while I don't quote: Jocelyn - I have to agree with you about Ferry's elegant aging. At one point I'd pretty much given up on his solo output, and was planning on getting Frantic just to keep the collection complete. Not any more. He seems to be on track to mature into another Leonard Cohen, who is possibly the only man in the world with a stronger grip on the "I just got out of bed with a phenomenal young vixen" look. As for the Rolling Stone review - nice of them to notice. They've been such a rag for so long I don't even bother browsing through last month's issue in the library anymore. However - if the North American press is going to get their excrement together, I will not complain. And, I liked Flesh and Blood! There, I put it in print. BTW - Frantic improves greatly if you program your CD player to skip track 9. It beats making a mad grab for the remote control. Cheers, gang! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:52:34 -0400 From: "Helen Thorpe" Subject: [AVALON] No Singles to Adventure? I just dropped by www.gigsandtours.com to see how ticket sales were going for Newcastle on Oct 22. The sooner they sell out, the better, I hear from the box office. Travelling as a single person, I clicked off "1" in the seats required box. And up came a little box to tell me that single seats were unavailable in that section (Rear Stalls, Centre) - but I could get 2 seats in the same section. What's with that? Anyone know why? Reecey, do you have any insight on this side of the business? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:32:43 -0400 From: "Pete Seely" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic - almost!!! Mark, I guess you did misunderstand me. I do think Frantic is a giant step forward. But to compare Frantic, the best thing Ferry has done IMHO since In Your Mind, with Flesh and Blood, doesn't make much sense to me. It compares arguably one of Ferry's best works with what in my opinion is the worst Roxy release. Point being, if you want to compare Ferry's work with Roxy, at least compare apples with apples. If we want apples and oranges, let's compare, say, For Your Pleasure with Boys and Girls. In my opinion, no comparison there, either. I respect Ferry's ability to change, but when you say he has more "freedom" on his own, well, I think it's a bit ironic that while he has all this freedom he mixes everything, including his own vocals, in these dense, muddy mixes (I would direct you especially to Bete Noire, Taxi, and Mamouna). That's what is so refreshing about Frantic-Ferry doesn't give in to his inclinations to have the thick, dense textures. Spedding over Manzanera? Nah. But whatever floats your boat. And I'd certainly take The Great Paul Thompson over any of Ferry's drummers. Pete - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Yates" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic - almost!!! > I must have misunderstood you Pete. I thought you wrote that FRANTIC was a > step forward, I understood that to be a positive statement.....but it seems > you would have preferred him to take a GIANT <30 year> STEP BACK. > You also wrote that it could do with a "Hefty dose of Roxy" well its got > Thompson, Eno and Ferry on it. just how much Roxy do you want. > I spent the later part of the seventies saying "wouldn't it be great if Roxy > would get back together if only for one Album" > and I spent the first half of the Eighties saying "NO NO NO no more" your > better on your own Ferry. > It's 2002 Pete........."wake up and smell the roses" > P.s Give me Spedding over Manzanera any day. > Mark > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pete Seely" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:05 AM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic - almost!!! > > > > What a fallacious argument: comparing Frantic with Flesh and Blood! > > Of course, that particular comparison is valid, but compare the first four > > Roxy albums with Bete Noire or Boys and Girls or Taxi. No contest, > either! > > Why would anyone take a bunch of studio hacks as a "band" over Roxy? > > > > Pete S. > > > > > > Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Yates" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 6:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic - almost!!! > > > > > > > I gotta disagree with you Richard.......I think the last thing it needs > is > > a > > > dose of Roxy.. > > > In fact the album is perfect...Ferry without Roxy has so much more > freedom > > > of expression.... without having to take the other band > > > members into account. I'm not knocking Roxy but lets face it .......his > > solo > > > work since 75 has been far superior to the last three Roxy > > albums.......just > > > compare Frantic with Flesh and Blood.........No contest. > > > Mark. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 8:27 PM > > > Subject: [AVALON] Frantic - almost!!! > > > > > > > > > > Frantic is a massive step forward for Bryan. As much as I loved the > > > > soundscapes of Taxi and Mamouna. Its good to hear his voice against > > > > songs that have a beat again. > > > > > > > > That said it sounds like a collection of ad hoc recordings stuck on > one > > > > disc. There is no real dicernable feel to the whole thing. It might > have > > > > been better to re-record the lot with one consistent set of musicians. > > > > > > > > It is however the nest of his later solo work. I Thought is great and > > > > sounds like Bryan putting a vocals over a track from Warm Jets. > > > > > > > > Goddess and San Simeon also stand out, but the rest is average at > best. > > > > > > > > Overall it sounds as though it could do with a hefty dose of Roxy. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > > The subliminable footer says: > > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > The subliminable footer says: > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #151 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest