From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #148 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, April 29 2002 Volume 07 : Number 148 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Andy Mackay [Go2Sweeney@AOL.COM] Re: [AVALON] uk frantic bargain ["Andy Cooper" ] Re: [AVALON] Q Cash For Questions!!! [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] What Frantic does to me... [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] What Frantic does to me... [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] Roxy DVD prize ["Duncan Watkins" ] [AVALON] Brian Eno ["Jimbo" ] Re: [AVALON] frantic - Ferry's swan song ["Simon Allin" ] Re: [AVALON] supermarket cd sales (do they count?) [Johnny Reece ] [AVALON] [Spoiler - long - again] Frantic, the package [Bahi ] [AVALON] Who Is Johnnie Ray ? ["PeteK" ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic Ferry Swan Song? ["paula brown" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 04:42:27 EDT From: Go2Sweeney@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] Andy Mackay Change of subject-I had ordered the CD versions of "In search of Eddie Riff" and "Resolving contradictions" by Andy Mackay (signed) on Friday, and they arrived this morning!!! What a quick response, Goodie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:12:27 +0000 From: "Andy Cooper" Subject: Re: [AVALON] uk frantic bargain I got mine a week ago (on the 22nd) from www.cd-wow.com for only #8.99. Fab service. Try it (and no I'm not on any sales commission). Andy >From: JFROXY@aol.com >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] uk frantic bargain >Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 01:44:42 EDT > >In a message dated 28/04/02 22:33:35 GMT Daylight Time, >graham.john.fairlie@ntlworld.com writes: > > > > << I had my hands on a copy in my local Asda > > today - but they wouldn't let me buy it till tomorrow. Anyway the good >bit > > was it is only #9.97 >> > > > > Exact same thing happened to me today Graham, and coz I know someone who > > works in Asda, I will get it for #8.97, let's hope it's worth it! > > > > JF > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:47:48 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Q Cash For Questions!!! Now I know that I get Q magazine a week after the UK. I really enjoyed the Cash For Questions feature, despite the error of Ferry preforming A Hard rain a-gonna fall one year ago, when it in fact was two years ago (time flies). Do pick it up. There is a one page ad for the DVD and half a page for Frantic as well. NP A Hard rain a-gonna fall, Polar prize award ceremony Stockholm 2000 Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:59:12 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] What Frantic does to me... I have to say, on first listen, it was rather a disappointment. On the whole, it sounds too clean and polite, not a hark back to the rootsy sound of IYM and Bride at all, instead, the usual Ferry sheen and gloss, just using guitars instead of boggy layers of synths. Goddess Of Love is like being hit round the head with a sledgehammer - the chorus is so bleeding obvious you can predict it before you even put the disc in the machine. But like a lot of the album, it has an immediate impact, therefore making it a good radio song. And that's obviously what they're aiming for. Some of the lyrics are a bit cringey (Nobody Loves Me a fine example of having a verse that should have been dropped). And Fool For Love, I was expecting "red ruby lips, child bearing hips". The redeeming track is I Thought, and it's that track that will get me into the rest of the album. My feeling is that Ferry handed the proceedings over to Colin Good, who has constructed a "rock" record, after masterminding ATGB (his strength) and arranging the Roxy tour (a triumph). Left to make up the pallette with nothing to work from means that we are greeted with some cliched sounds, the guitar solo in Fool For Love a prime example. It should NOT have been allowed. The main difference between this and IYM/TBSB is that they were made with a band, not multitracked and dubbed over 7 years. They've tried very hard, but the vital spark is missing. Saying all that, I'm glad to have it. It's a major achievement for Ferry, but one can't help feeling that it's a bit of a salvage job given a bit of reworking to make it coherent. Do I have to make up my mind yet? SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:31:55 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] What Frantic does to me... At 13.59 +0100 2-04-29, Simon Galloway wrote: >Do I have to make up my mind yet? No I still don't like IYM nor TBSB. The first one and Mamouna are my favorites among Ferry's solo albums. But Frantic is a return to form, IMHO. NP I put a spell on you, Wolverhampton 1995 (another song I did like until hearing it again and again) Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 09:11:51 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [AVALON] Hitchcock covers Ferry again Apparently Robyn Hitchcock and Jon Brion tackled "Slave To Love" at Friday night's show at the Largo in L.A. I wasn't there, nor do I have a tape (yet), but there ya go. later, Miles ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:21:44 +0100 From: Bahi Subject: Re: [AVALON] What Frantic does to me... Simon Gallaway wrote: >we are greeted with some cliched sounds, the guitar solo in Fool For >Love a prime example. It should NOT have been allowed. Couldn't agree more. All the worse because Spedding threatens throughout the song, then you get a brief moment's rest - and there, I thought the song had ended, had survived with minor injuries - but no. He does well at other places, though. I loved his playing on the Roxy tour but perhaps that was because he had the distinctly non-mainstream sound of Manzanera to clash with. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:35:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] What Frantic does to me... On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, Simon Galloway wrote: > I have to say, on first listen, it was rather a disappointment. On the > whole, it sounds too clean and polite, not a hark back to the rootsy > sound of IYM and Bride at all, instead, the usual Ferry sheen and gloss, > just using guitars instead of boggy layers of synths. > > Goddess Of Love is like being hit round the head with a sledgehammer - > the chorus is so bleeding obvious you can predict it before you even put > the disc in the machine. But like a lot of the album, it has an > immediate impact, therefore making it a good radio song. And that's > obviously what they're aiming for. What I like about _Frantic_ is that it is so radio ready, so concrete, so poppy. I don't think pop music is a bad thing--even for Mr. Ferry to make--and as I'd said earlier, I personally think Mr. Ferry had lost the plot for a bit wandering aimlessly over the sonic hills and dales. This might not be ground-breaking or avant-garde, but it's actually quite good within that limited genre. I think of it as a kind of palate cleanser, and a kind of clearing out the closet before the next album. I think a lot of "what if's" were settled with this album. > The main difference between this and IYM/TBSB is that they were made > with a band, not multitracked and dubbed over 7 years. They've tried > very hard, but the vital spark is missing. But I can hear a big difference between the alienated and diffuse versions of the _Alphaville_ songs and their reworkings on _Frantic_ which do indicate more of a band sound than previous Ferry albums had offered, and that sound is evident, in my opinion, on the 'new' songs on _Frantic_ too. > Saying all that, I'm glad to have it. It's a major achievement for > Ferry, but one can't help feeling that it's a bit of a salvage job given > a bit of reworking to make it coherent. It is indeed a salvage job, but do you think it would be so apparent to folks who have not heard of or heard _Alphaville_? (I'm asking in a conversational vein since it's an interesting idea that you've raised.) > Do I have to make up my mind yet? Nope! That's the fun of it! And despite my ramblings, above, you don't have to like any of it. Colleen p.s. I'm having serious TCP/IP problems on my home computer. If anyone can help from a distance, please drop me a line off-list. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 17:32:57 +0100 From: "Duncan Watkins" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy DVD prize The 'New' Roxy Music DVD was given away today as part of a package of prizes on Radio2 this afternoon. 'Goddess Of Love' is now listed on the official Radio2 playlist. Regards, Duncan. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:44:44 +0200 From: "Jimbo" Subject: [AVALON] Brian Eno Brian Eno en Italie pour 3 concerts =20 =20 Nos amis de zooitalia.com nous annoncent la = venue de Brian Eno en Italie pour 3 concerts:=20 29 Avril Cagliari (Teatro Lirico)=20 23 Mai Milan (Dal Verme)=20 25 Mai Rome (Auditorium) =20 =20 =20 =20 [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of new.gif] ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:42:34 +0100 From: "Simon Allin" Subject: Re: [AVALON] frantic - Ferry's swan song That's the first thing that came to mind when I listened to Frantic; it certainly has an air of finality about it from the sentiments of the opener "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue" to "I Thought" which may or may not be directed towards the listener. Add to that the faded images of the cover art/booklet - and I don't know if it's relevant but on every photo his gaze is directed away except on the I Thought page where he's staring straight out... "I thought I'd be your streetcar named desire Your man - the one you seek" Don't want to depress anyone but it seems to say "The End" to me. Hopefully I'm wrong though and it's just part of the usual love/loss theme he deals with so well. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip Adams To: Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] frantic - Ferry's swan song > He's 56. He's reviewed his career.He has a final record out, a Roxy DVD, > the last tour. Retirement beckons. > Any word of new Roxy material will turn to dust. Watch this space. > > Philip > > > > > > > > > > > > Philip, > > What makes you say that? I feel it's a new beginning. Paula > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:22:20 EDT From: JaniceJanroxy@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AVALON] frantic - Ferry's swan song I don't think this is the end. The album is dedicated to Tara, his third son, so there has to be another for his fourth son. Or is that just wishful thinking because I want there to be more,a lot more! Anyway, 'Frantic' arrived this morning, and I think that it's a masterpiece. OK there are a couple of duff tracks but on the whole this is Bryan as I want to hear him. The best track for me is 'I Thought.' Brilliant! Can't wait to see him live again in Edinburgh, lets hope its a dry night! And when are the Glasgow tickets going on sale? Janice. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:35:41 +0100 From: "ncjones.lewis2" Subject: [AVALON] supermarket cd sales (do they count?) Firstly, thanks for the Asda tip Graham Fairlie....however this has sparked a question. I was under the impression that the music companies weren't particularly happy about the likes of Asda & Tesco selling low priced current releases as they wanted to keep UK CD prices inflated (compared with the rest of Europe/USA etc.) My question is, are these CDs bought in by the supermarket chains via the same method as their Levi jeans a while back(i.e. through Europe,) this method saw Levi and the supermarkets slugging it out in court. If so do the CD sales in these supermarkets get recognised by the UK chart organisation (can't remember their name) and count towards our Bry's chart position next week? (I seem to remember being told in my youth that there were selected "chart shops," IF this was true, has it now cahnged?) Also how is this affecting the independent record stores out there? Don't get me wrong, I fully agree that CD prices have been over inflated (at source) for far to long in the UK. I would, however, probably pay a few extra quid if it meant my purchase would otherwise not "count." Thanks in advance for any answer . Neil Jones. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:04:10 EDT From: OBrienFerry@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] Virus alert I have around 20 mails with attachments today some of them from my other e-mail addresses that I didn't send. There is obvious some virus's going around, don't as me any technical blurb about them, I just know they are virus's, so beware, especially if you have several e-mail addresses. J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 15:32:17 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [AVALON] Virus alert At 04:04 PM 4/29/2002 -0400, OBrienFerry@aol.com wrote: >I have around 20 mails with attachments today some of them from my other >e-mail addresses that I didn't send. > >There is obvious some virus's going around, don't as me any technical blurb >about them, I just know they are virus's, so beware, especially if you have >several e-mail addresses. I've gotten more virus e-mails (AFAIK all detected and destroyed by Norton Anti-Virus) over the last week than I have in my previous seven years on the Internet added together. I'm thinking that (1) an Idealcopy listmember has gotten infected, because most of them are coming to an address that has to do with administration of that list, and/or (2) someone is trawling the smoe.org archives for addresses to be used both as aliases and as recipients. In fact, I'm almost certain of the latter, given a conversation I've had with a non-Avalonian friend from other smoe.org lists. Remember that mail *from* this list cannot and will not have attachments, so if you get something that looks like it's from the Avalon list but has a file attached, it's almost certainly bogus. And keep your anti-virus definitions updated daily for now -- I usually do it weekly, but given the upswing in viruses, I'm being more vigilant than usual. later, Miles ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:28:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnny Reece Subject: Re: [AVALON] supermarket cd sales (do they count?) - --- "ncjones.lewis2" wrote: > > > If so do the CD sales in > these supermarkets get recognised by the UK chart > organisation>> The supermarket chains view Chart CDs as 'lost leaders' - in otherwords, they mostly make a slight loss on them, easily balanced out by the mid-price and budget CDs they sell, which counteract that loss. Also the draw of people just walking through their doors to look at CDs counteracts the loss too, as most people will also buy something else. There are no supermarkets in the current chart shops returns list. There are a constantly revolving 250 chart return shops used weekly in the UK (picked from a revolving list of 1000 - the other 750 are used as a 'check'). From only 250 used every week, you can imagine how innaccurate the sales chart is anyway. It reminds me of when the old style Music Week Mag did a massive survey, mid 74 I think it was, when literally thousands of Shops in the UK were asked about their sales over a monthly period - chart shops or not. An interesting fact came up, that Ferry's 'In Crowd' had been the best selling single for 2 weeks running, yet it only reached No. 13 in the chart. I rest my case. However - even if you all found a 'chart shop' - there's no guarantee that the Shop in question would be used as a 'chart return' for the particular week you want it to - a 1 in 4 chance of that happening. Cost prices vary considerably too, depending who you are. For instance, if I had a normal account with Virgin for my own shop, I would currently be charged #9.59 plus VAT for each Frantic CD, unless I was an established customer, like, say , Tower (who I have a friend who works for) who pay the same price, but for every 300 they order, they get 30 free. (Figures may be different for various branches, obviously). Add to this, that most Chart Shops often get a '1 free in 3' on the first order, if they pre-order CDs, before release. Hence the quickening disappearance of Independent Shops. That's the way of it, and it isn't going to change back now. It reminds me too of various 'scams' that Record Companies used to try to pull, to get their records up higher, chart-wise. I worked in a chart shop about 10 years ago, and all of us employees, and a high number of other shops also on the 'chart return list' were given a betting slip, paid for, for a certain single, at odds of 18 to 1, would be the Xmas No. 1. (Obviously, I'd better not say what the single was). The Record Company in question hoped lots of false figures would be swiped through by everyone who was given the betting slip - bacause #5 at 18 to 1, hey, that was #90 for nothing, for the Record Shop guys. They say that sort of thing doesn't happen as much now, but I would be surprised if that was the case. (The scam didn't work btw). Meanwhile, most Independent Shops in the UK will be dead within 10 years, my own included. If the general public see new CDs for about #8 or #9 in supermarkets, no-one can blame them for buying them, rather than going somewhere else. Now, if you'll excuse me, I must climb down off my soapbox, and go and put the kettle on. Viva Les Independents ! (while we're still here) Reecey... Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:33:41 -0700 From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] frantic - Ferry's swan song hey, guys - thanks for the truly uplifting comments today. i don't see where you people get this from, but i read where he was using dylan's activities in _his_ sixties as a point of reference. doesn't sound like someone slowing down, getting ready to throw in the towel, sit down and *rust* to me. by all accounts, though 'frantic' maybe isn't a masterpiece (?), ferry's in fine form. this kind of talk was coming up in '98 & '99. OK, when he's in his 70's, maybe he might find a different direction, but i've heard him talk of working into 'old age' before - aside from the dylan reference. but since you've both come up with this idea, what do you see ferry doing? in lieu of what he does best? and no - to be clear - this isn't an attempt at a flame fest, but i'd be genuinely curious. peaces/ms _______________________________________________________________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <-----Original Message-----> >From: Simon Allin >That's the first thing that came to mind when I listened to Frantic; it >certainly has an air of finality about it [snip] > >Don't want to depress anyone but it seems to say "The End" to me. Hopefully >I'm wrong though and it's just part of the usual love/loss theme he deals >with so well. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Philip Adams > He's 56. He's reviewed his career.He has a final record out, a Roxy DVD, > the last tour. Retirement beckons. > Any word of new Roxy material will turn to dust. Watch this space. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:42:47 +0100 From: Bahi Subject: Re: [AVALON] frantic - Ferry's swan song It does seem like a career overview and it's true, as Philip pointed out, that Ferry has borrowed heavily from his old output - there are sounds, phrases and ideas that were used before. But this is, I'm sure, not the end. He's back into the swing of tour, record, tour. He has plenty of unreleased stuff in the can. And I'd bet good money on an attempt to do something with Roxy in the studio. I'm not saying anything will come of it but I think there'll be an attempt. And there will certainly be more solo work released. B "Simon Allin" wrote: >That's the first thing that came to mind when I listened to Frantic; it >certainly has an air of finality about it [...] > >Don't want to depress anyone but it seems to say "The End" to me. Hopefully >I'm wrong though and it's just part of the usual love/loss theme he deals >with so well. > Philip Adams wrote: >He's 56. He's reviewed his career.He has a final record out, a Roxy >DVD, the last tour. Retirement beckons. Any word of new Roxy >material will turn to dust. Watch this space. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:43:25 +0100 From: Bahi Subject: [AVALON] [Spoiler - long - again] Frantic, the package I picked up a copy today. I like the packaging. So many old photos - never mind the reappearance of the cigarettes, Ferry's even wearing an early 80s digital watch in one of them. It's a good package, though. Positioned for success and not admiration by the cognoscenti, and well put together. * The sound, the mix of the whole album - strong, clear, rounded, never harsh, never mushy. I've been listening to rough copies of these songs till now (they turn out to have been somewhat rougher than I'd realised) so to hear the originals is a very pleasant surprise. Clearmountain hasn't lost his touch. The mix of Hiroshima on the CD, by Ashley Howes, is a little less crisp than most of the other songs' mixes but that suits me because it works better at really high volumes; it may be, though, one reason that this song has been initially less appealing for some people. As with Mamouna's mixes, its vocal is treated as just another instrument and isn't pushed right to the front of the mix. I'm looking forward to comparing it with Clearmountain's mix on the DVD audio version one day. * The title of track 10 contains an ellipsis. It is, anoraks take note, "Hiroshima..." A typical Ferry solution. * Alice Retif appears again. (Ferry: "Oh, she used to work at my office. French girl. I got her to recite some fragments of Baudelaire's 'Ophelia.' It helped create that mood of l'amour.") Well, this is the third time she appears on a released Ferry album - if you include that same Ophelia recital on the Slave to Love compilation, then as part of This Love - and here, she's providing backing vocals on a few tracks. That's odd for someone who 'used to work' at the office. * David Williams is sole bassist on Goddess of Love; this reminds me of reading how Phil's quick'n'dirty bass track on Over You just kind of stuck, despite (according to Phil) all the attempts they made at replacing it with expensive New York players. (I know Williams is an expensive New York player - but he's not an expensive New York bass player.) His part is good: solid, sparing, punchy. * A Fool for Love seems to hark back in its theme to Avalon, and the mention of the flaggy shore takes us back to the cover of that album, shot in Ireland. The new Ferry's rueful and ironic comment the old Ferry ("So high and wise..."). * Mark Fenwick gets thanked. I didn't think that would ever happen. Remember the Bete Noire-era article in (I think) Q magazine? Ferry and Fenwick were speaking to each other only through their lawyers. * Eno plays guitar on I Thought. That must be him strumming sadly and suitably badly at the song's opening. Excellent :) Frantic - its sound, its meaning, its flow - are so much improved now that I have the original. It's not an album to be travelled through time and time again, always offering the listener something new to hear and understand, always offering a deeper route through its emotional depths; this is a pop album to be played and enjoyed from time to time. That seems appropriate after all these years. It's your favourite art-house film director doing a Hollywood movie, your favourite painter exhibiting some funky celebrity photos he'd been working on :) While I don't agree that Ferry's recent efforts amount to, in Colleen's words, "wandering aimlessly over the sonic hills and dales", I do hear Frantic as (Colleen again) "radio ready... concrete... poppy". Exactly that, and it's very good. It brings to a close another leg of the journey, and one that Alphaville would have extended, but the journey continues, Ferry having even regained much of his lost pace. B ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 22:44:21 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: [AVALON] Frantic......the best yet. Hello Everyone. Well its here at last the 29th so I took a days Holiday so I could go down town and pick up my copy of Frantic. "its a tradition that I treat myself to just for Ferry and Bowie releases". there is nothing like going into a record store and actually buying them on the day of release. I have read with great interest all of your opinions on Frantic. Over the past few months from everything to the sleeve design to the first promos that were released. but nothing could have prepared me for what lay in store. In my opinion Frantic is the finest work that Ferry has made since the Bride Stripped Bare. In fact I would put it on a par with the BSB. I have waited over 20 years for an album as good as this. "It just don't get any better than this" I can't criticise any track. his use of differing styles is an absolute work of genius, this is Ferry at his very best. It's been worth the wait. THANKS BRYAN.......you've made my year. BRILLIANT. This Album put simply is "FANTASTIC" Marks out of 10=11 P.S Can't wait for the tour. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 22:48:52 +0100 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] frantic - Ferry's swan song I for one hope that any word of new Roxy material does turn to dust. He's better with out the constraints of working in a band. Mark - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Adams" To: Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] frantic - Ferry's swan song > He's 56. He's reviewed his career.He has a final record out, a Roxy DVD, > the last tour. Retirement beckons. > Any word of new Roxy material will turn to dust. Watch this space. > > Philip > > > > > > > > > > > > Philip, > > What makes you say that? I feel it's a new beginning. Paula > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 22:56:01 +0100 From: "Simon Allin" Subject: Re: [AVALON] frantic - Ferry's swan song Well I can think of a few things Ferry could do in his retirement. Maybe a spot of gardening, write an autobiography, hunt, paint... If you look at the new lyrics - both his and the cover versions - there are an awful lot of references to parting and saying goodbye in almost every song...surely you can see how I reached that conclusion. On a more uplifting note, I do think Frantic is his best album since Bride and he sounds a lot more confident nowadays in every aspect of his work; I also understand he has a lot of unreleased material lying around. So all things considered, it'd be a strange move to end it all so soon after rediscovering his muse. - ----- Original Message ----- From: mark shanahan To: Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] frantic - Ferry's swan song > hey, guys - thanks for the truly uplifting comments today. i don't see > where you people get this from, but i read where he was using dylan's > activities in _his_ sixties as a point of reference. doesn't sound like > someone slowing down, getting ready to throw in the towel, sit down and > *rust* to me. by all accounts, though 'frantic' maybe isn't a > masterpiece (?), ferry's in fine form. this kind of talk was coming up > in '98 & '99. OK, when he's in his 70's, maybe he might find a different > direction, but i've heard him talk of working into 'old age' before - > aside from the dylan reference. > > but since you've both come up with this idea, what do you see ferry > doing? in lieu of what he does best? > > and no - to be clear - this isn't an attempt at a flame fest, but i'd be > genuinely curious. > > peaces/ms > _______________________________________________________________ > Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at > http://www.mail2world.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:39:17 -0500 From: "paula brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] frantic - Ferry's swan song >>If you look at the new lyrics - both his and the cover versions - there are an awful lot of references to parting and saying goodbye in almost every song...surely you can see how I reached that conclusion.<< Aw, he's been saying goodbye since "Ta ra ta ra." It's an essential element of romance. Ta ra, Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:59:44 -0500 From: "paula brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] frantic - Ferry's swan song He says he's feeling rejuvenated for the first time in a long time creatively. Says it in interviews. I believe him. Reworked material, yes, but you can feel that he breathed something new into it just by comparing Alphaville and Frantic. Hell, I can feel it in the air. Bryan's hot creatively again. Feed me, feed me. Paula It does seem like a career overview and it's true, as Philip pointed out, that Ferry has borrowed heavily from his old output - there are sounds, phrases and ideas that were used before. But this is, I'm sure, not the end. He's back into the swing of tour, record, tour. He has plenty of unreleased stuff in the can. And I'd bet good money on an attempt to do something with Roxy in the studio. I'm not saying anything will come of it but I think there'll be an attempt. And there will certainly be more solo work released. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 01:21:13 +0100 From: "ncjones.lewis2" Subject: Re: [AVALON] supermarket cd sales (do they count?) (getting slightly off topic here) Before you step of the soapbox Mr Reece, could I pick your brains one more time? What (IYHO) would you say would be a fair price for a CD if, for instance, the music companies were content to make only a decent (!) profit per unit? (yeah, I know, and pigs might fly :-> ) also my comment on.... > Meanwhile, most Independent Shops in the UK will be > dead within 10 years, my own included. If the general > public see new CDs for about #8 or #9 in supermarkets, > no-one can blame them for buying them, rather than > going somewhere else. > Reecey... Since Tesco opened a superstore locally, our village "high street" has began to die a slow but inevitable death......strangely enough, six months previous to the completion of the new store, the local council started to contract in a very efficient private traffic warden company to enforce the already existing double yellow line system which runs right up the village high street. (one which had been previously "relaxed" to help the local traders.) Funny that ain't it? Me paranoid? No, they really are out to get me! Neil p.s. I shop at the superstore, more convenient you see, so who is really to blame eh? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:31:57 EDT From: Helchat@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] Frantic Ferry Swan Song? I don't think so! This is so going to sound so strange, but i heard this rumor circulating in the 80's around the time of Bete Noire that it was his last solo album, etc. However, during the late 80's, there were already rumors of Roxy Music getting back together, so it's all hogwash! :-) As Paula said, there have always been lyrics relating to "the end" of something. IMHO, there is no possible way that Mr. Ferry will retire after this album, it's too cool, it's too new (to most of the world), and if he were to retire, I think he would have done so after ATGB. Just my opinion . . . . back to lurking, Helene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:51:05 -0400 From: "Pete Seely" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic Ferry Swan Song? On the other hand, since Ferry's average lately is an album every six or seven years, don't hold your breath waiting for the next one. I will admit, though, Frantic sounds as though he has been energized after the lethargy of most of his post-Roxy albums. Pete S. > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:15:30 -0700 From: "PeteK" Subject: [AVALON] Who Is Johnnie Ray ? OK who is Johnnie Ray, Anyways? Somehow I feel like I should know this, but I don't. Is Derek Sutton still affiliated with Bryan Ferry? Wasn't he the head of his management team in LA? Well, memory doesn't always serve me well. Does anyone know when the August dates will be filled in? Shouldn't they know soon? So they can print shirts and programs with all the dates and venues? Running out of time. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 23:08:27 -0500 From: "paula brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic Ferry Swan Song? >On the other hand, since Ferry's average lately is an album every six or seven years, don't hold your breath waiting for the next one. I will admit, though, Frantic sounds as though he has been energized after the lethargy of most of his post-Roxy albums. ~ Pete S.< ~Bryan said in a recent interview that he had a "creative midlife crisis" of sorts in the nineties. He also had label problems for awhile. He now says he's infused with creativity and enjoying himself again. He's been very revealing and forthright in interviews, so I believe what he says. ~Could he have another crisis that muted him creatively? Maybe. Is there a chance that life, instead, will bring him the intrigue of the unknown, the seduction of surprise, and the reward of a kind fate that he so deserves? Better than even, I'd say. ~ I know where all this talk of retirement is coming from. History. But let's not forget that here is a man who pioneered an entire genre, and perhaps a genre within a genre, and who stepped sideways in the midst of each to create new personnas in his solo work. This is a complex artist from whom we can expect more longevity than the run-of-the-mill rockstar. I am thrilled by recent interviews because it is clear to me that Bryan has much more to say. ~ Sentimental foolishly yours, Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #148 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest