From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #130 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, April 14 2002 Volume 07 : Number 130 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Frantic Pricing ["Duncan Watkins" ] Re: [AVALON] My first time - last comments [Daniel Atterbom ] [AVALON] Frantic and Alphaville ["PeteK" ] Re: [AVALON] Hear Frantic Online [Bahi ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic Pricing [Bahi ] Re: [AVALON] Hear Frantic Online [JFROXY@AOL.COM] Re: [AVALON] Hear Frantic Online [InterEireann@AOL.COM] [AVALON] Bryan =?iso-8859-1?Q?p=E5?= Bingolotto! [Mats Andersson ] Re: [AVALON] Hear Frantic Online [Bahi ] [AVALON] Nobody Loves Me: missing words [Bahi ] [AVALON] sixties sighting? ["Theresa Fagan" ] Re: [AVALON] BF solo [GeekUSA823@AOL.COM] Re: [AVALON] Frantic and Alphaville ["bryan o connor" ] Re: [AVALON] Hear Frantic Online [JFROXY@AOL.COM] [AVALON] Roxy Music's influence on Swedish music ["M" Subject: [AVALON] Frantic Pricing Food for thought? Amazon.co.uk Frantic #11.99 (19.62 Euros) Amazon.fr Frantic # 9.59 (15.70 Euros) Amazon.de Frantic # 9.16 (14.99 Euros) ? May need additional postage. UK retail? Regards, Duncan. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:31:34 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] My first time - last comments At 12.53 +0200 2-04-13, Keith Shockley wrote: >I would like to see what Phil Jackson could do with a team of mediocre >players. He won the CBA championship before the Bulls period, did he not? Don't forget what up until a NBA championsahip this year, Phil Jackson has won two NBA championships as a player for the New York Knicks. That is as many as his Lakers players. NP U2, New York Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:36:03 +0200 From: "S. Thomsen" Subject: [AVALON] Welcome to Roxy Music/Sports group Welcome to the combined Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry and soccer information group. Basketball information also welcome. :-). ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:37:53 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Welcome to Roxy Music/Sports group At 10.36 +0200 2-04-13, S. Thomsen wrote: >Welcome to the combined Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry and soccer information group. >Basketball information also welcome. Hahaha. Well, now I looking forward to a 2,000 characters essay on Roxy Music's and Bryan Ferry's impact on Danish music. How has Anne Dorte Michelsen, Anne Linnet, Sanne Salomonsen, Gasolin, Aqua et al been influenced by Roxy and Ferry? The paper is due on Monday. A list is the sum of it's contributors. NP U2, Beautiful Day (and it is) Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 08:32:21 -0400 From: "M" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Welcome to Roxy Music/Sports group > Welcome to the combined Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry and soccer information group. On another music list, there were too many footy discussions so a splinter group was formed. We have a separate group for meet-ups in Dublin and we formed another group when people met in NY. >Hahaha. Well, now I looking forward to a 2,000 characters essay on Roxy > Music's and Bryan Ferry's impact on Danish music. Daniel, can mine be horror-oriented? =P Off to look up some cute football players suggested by another list member.... M ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A young New Yorker called M Was frequently seen with old men Described as fantastic She preferred lots of plastic Especially Barbie and Ken. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 07:20:22 -0500 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: RE: [AVALON] My first time - last comments >From: Daniel Atterbom >Or reflect on the result of Roxy's managment signed away Roxy Music's name >to Virgin records? They can not release any albums under their own name >without paying Virgin In the long run, this will be a harder loss than Michael Jordan's knees. Judy _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 07:27:15 -0500 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Welcome to Roxy Music/Sports group >From: "S. Thomsen" >Welcome to the combined Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry and soccer information >group. >Basketball information also welcome. And I know Colleen is somewhere wagging her finger at ME. Judy NP: Guilty - Billie Holliday _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 07:39:23 -0500 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Welcome to Roxy Music/Sports group >From: Daniel Atterbom >Well, now I looking forward to a 2,000 characters essay on Roxy >Music's >and Bryan Ferry's impact on Danish music. How has . . . Gasolin . . been >influenced by Roxy and Ferry? I played Country Life for them once. Does that count as influence? Judy _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 13:49:19 +0100 From: "Duncan Watkins" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Welcome to Roxy Music/Sports group "M" wrote: 'On another music list, there were too many footy discussions so a splinter group was formed.' Sorry M you've lost me, how can you have too many footy discussions?? Has Bryan ever been spotted on the terraces? Regards, Duncan.(Still in deep depression after Tuesdays pathetic capitulation.) > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:00:27 EDT From: JFROXY@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hear Frantic Online In a message dated 12/04/02 22:56:25 GMT Daylight Time, snijders.geest@hetnet.nl writes: > < compared to Alphaville.>> Sorry Han, I've listened to the clips from "Frantic" a few times now and I just can't get into it. Maybe it's his voice, I appreciate the fact that it is more forward in the mix, but I can't help thinking that he sounds bored/pissed off. Long gone are the days of the sardonic croon, but I wish he would put a bit more effort into it, someone should give him a hard kick up the arse. There are some fine original songs on "Alphaville" that should have been included here, instead of the covers he has chosen, which are frankly, tripe. Has anyone noticed the similarity between "I thought" and a track which appears on the Eno/Cale album "Wrong way up" called "The River"? Nah, this had bargain bin written all over it. JF ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 10:05:50 -0500 From: "paula brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry on Swedish TV >>Daniel said: ....They also made Ferry comment on some words describing him... Romantic?.. He had to admit..''Pfzzzzz...From time to time, yeah". Very big smile... Passionated?.. ''Oh yes, very much so,...maybe it is a northern thing....."<< ***** He can passionate me anytime he wants! P ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 08:01:52 -0700 From: "PeteK" Subject: [AVALON] Frantic and Alphaville For the most part I like Frantic. However I would of left Noboby Loves me and Fool for Love alone. The Frantic version of Nobody Loves Me is hardly distinguishable from the Alphaville version. The Irony is that the Alphaville version is much more dare I say, frantic. Edgier, faster, rawer. Bryan has homogenized the Frantic version, maybe looking for AOR appeal, i don't know. Hiroshima is the least tinkered with and I'm glad about that. Unfortunately I've never heard the Alphaville version of Cruel, but Frantic's version is one of bryan's all time best songs. Great lyrics, good hook easy to sing along with and nice guitar. Simply a masterpiece. If the radio stations don't play Cruel, then they won't play anything ever again from Mr. Ferry. I like what Bryan has done with Goin' Down. Maybe all those years hanging out with Trower, the blues rubbed off a little on our Bry. Well I'm going down to the local Vergin record in Burbank on the 26th hoping they have the Japanese version ( 2 extra songs) of Frantic. I hope they've heard of BF there. After all, it is his label. Running out of time. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:29:16 +0100 From: Bahi Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hear Frantic Online [Discussion of Frantic - if you haven't heard the clips and don't want to spoil the surprise, please skip this.] JFROXY@aol.com wrote: >Has anyone noticed the similarity between "I thought" and a track >which appears on the Eno/Cale album "Wrong way up" called "The >River"? I did; it also has similarities to other Eno things in its simplicity - - Some Words, for example. Even its melodies and words - I'd be surprised if Eno had no involvement. Using old chord structures or rhythms for new songs is a well-established Eno trick and I think it does the job here, forcing Bryan into new territory for this album. Sounds great. I would never have thought that the clunky, Bontempi-organ sound would have made it close to a Ferry album (I honestly believed that the sound was coming from another program on this computer, a web page playing some awful MIDI thing.) But it's deliberate - pushing Ferry into an area he'd never usually go - and it works beautifully. It's like Ferry reflecting on the events that inspire the rest of the album. The only two clips that jar for me are Goddess of Love - reminiscent of the Velvets' Stephanie Says (with Siberia for Alaska) but sounding trite to me - and the rearranged Nobody Loves Me. The danger, urgency, panic and desperation of the Alphaville original have been turned into a sing-along, preschool-friendly arrangement (again, judging by the clip). Why? The original was so powerful, brooding, dark - menacing. Perhaps it scared Tara. :-\ Don't Think Twice (which I have in its entirety) was the only cover that I struggled with - the distance between Bryan's determined English awkwardness and Dylan's scornful swagger was initially a little too great. ("We never did too much talkin' anyway" was almost embarrassing - lost a lot of its power here, I think.) I'm getting to like it, though. Goodnight Irene sounds great - mournful, scornful, way past caring and a long, long way from sober... perfect. And I can't believe you don't like the Don Nix song. Everything about it seems great. Fool for Love, distant and suitably majestic on Alphaville, now seems fragile, beautiful, hurt - just right. >Nah, this had bargain bin written all over it. I disagree - it has the raw, open, voice-to-the-fore mix that so many people (I don't include myself) wanted. Music journalists, in particular, seemed to believe that Bryan was continually refining the Avalon sound. I guess they have a lot of records to listen to every week and not much time to spend on each. And it does sound live and heartfelt. If the whole is well represented by these clips, then it'll be a more immediately powerful album but one that won't survive continual replays as well. It won't be the journey that Mamouna or Boys & Girls were - it's a well-designed poster and instead of a detailed painting and there's certainly room for something like that after all this time. For a Ferry recording, it really is amazingly open and shows once again a great ear for arrangement. JF: I know you're a long term Ferry and Roxy fan - what did you think of Mamouna, Bete Noire, Taxi and Boys & Girls? B ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:47:49 +0100 From: Bahi Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic Pricing Duncan Watkins wrote: >Food for thought? > >Amazon.co.uk Frantic #11.99 (19.62 Euros) >Amazon.fr Frantic # 9.59 (15.70 Euros) >Amazon.de Frantic # 9.16 (14.99 Euros) >? May need additional postage. Depressing, isn't it? You can buy from CD Wow and get the disks posted (from Hong Kong, I think) all in, for 8.99 UKP (less than 5 Eur). But you have to wait till it charts - the site is really mainstream. No good looking for Lee Scratch Perry there or Eno or Hassell :) They're not listing Frantic among their 'essential pre-releases'. A friend has used CD Wow for all his mainstream stuff for a couple of months and has been really pleased with the service. It does take 3 or 4 days for the CDs to arrive but they've all turned up mint. (I have no financial connection with CD Wow, etc, etc.) These days, I buy my CDs from 2-for-1 sales and that dodgy shop in Soho that piles 'em high, sells 'em cheap - name forgotten. No presentation, no space, just cheap new (genuine) CDs. I'll make an exception for Frantic. B ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:56:14 EDT From: JFROXY@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hear Frantic Online In a message dated 13/04/02 16:30:41 GMT Daylight Time, bahi@macnet.co.uk writes: > < of Mamouna, Bete Noire, Taxi and Boys & Girls?>> Well, Bahi, I'll be short here (as usual), and say that, at the time of their release I thought they were excellent, apart from maybe "Taxi", but that was a covers album so I already had reservations about it before it's release. Listening to them now, if I had to compile my favourite tracks from each album, then I would be struggling to fill a 74 minute CD-R. I honestly don't think that BF has ever released a GREAT solo album. I will give "Frantic" a fair hearing and hopefully I am wrong about my initial impressions of it, but as you say it does sound like "one that won't survive continual replays" We shall see. JF ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:03:20 EDT From: InterEireann@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hear Frantic Online Agreeing with other comments so far which relate to the covers on Frantic..not overly impressed and Goodnight Irene ( how did that get on the album )...but then again on his original works I have always been of the opinion that his best stuff is all on the Roxy albums. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:45:00 +0200 From: Mats Andersson Subject: [AVALON] Bryan =?iso-8859-1?Q?p=E5?= Bingolotto! Wow! Bryan Ferry is on Bingolotto on saturday 27/4 (Bingolotto is a Swedish TV-show) Kvp lotter, kvp lotter!!!!!!! Mats ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 18:43:45 +0100 From: "David Squires " Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic Pricing On 13 Apr 2002 at 15:47, Bahi wrote: > A friend has used CD Wow for all his mainstream stuff for a couple of > months and has been really pleased with the service. It does take 3 or > 4 days for the CDs to arrive but they've all turned up mint. I've used them too, and I can confirm that they are fine for mainstream stuff. David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:08:50 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Music's influence on Swedish music Bryan Ferry on the Swedish National Lottery, today having a special night on Celine Dion... Ok, my short thesis on: Roxy Music's influence on Swedish music When Johan Kinde was a teenager growing up in the Stockholm suburb of Akersberga (that's with an umlaut) as the 70's turned to the 80's he was torned between punk and the glam rock of Roxy Music, Bowie etc. Johan Kinde loved Roxy Music, especially tracks like Out of the Blue. The Fery was an inspiration is an understatement. http://www.d.kth.se/~d91-gbe/ll.html gives some pictures. At the end of punk and the beginning of New Romantic Johan Kinde joined a band called Lustans Lakejer (The Pages* of Pleasure), become the leader. Johan was 17 and writing mondan stuff, a dying dandy looking back at the vices and excesses of youth. Boldly stating that "the clothes are more importent then the music" Johan Kinde and Lustans Lakejer had style written all over them. Their second album "Uppdrag i Genhve" (Mission in Genhve) was a hit and for the third album "En plats i solen" (named after the Montgomery Clift/Elizabeth Taylor flick A place in the Sun) Lustans Lakejer were produced by, by this time. ex-Japan member Richard Barbieri as producer at the expensive Polar studios were Abba and Led Zeppelin had recorded. Mick Karn played saxofon and Nigel Walker was mixing. A PLACE IN THE SUN tracklist 1.Lips Are Silent 3.00 [Swedish title=Lappar tiger] 2.Whispers in the Dark 3.55 [=Den glod som aldrig dor] 3.The Texture of Her Skin 4.50 [new version] 4.Just As Wild 3.18 [=Vackra djur] 5.A Place in the Sun 4.37 6.Eyes of a Stranger 4.16 [=En framlings ogon] 7.A Kiss for Every Tear 5.44 [=En kyss fvr varje tar] 8.In Spite of It All 4.02 [=Nagot maste brista] 9.Something's Got to Give 6.07 [=Drommar dor forst] This was a bid for a wider, international audience. It did not work. After another album, Johan Kinde embarked on a solo career, supporting Roxette and having an affair with the singer Marie Fredriksson. He then disapeard from view for a number of years. In 1999 Lustans Lakejer and a 35-year old Johan Kinde did a comeback with "Akersberga", an album I liked very much. The tour was a triumph, but the audience were of course almost 20 years older, chatting about baby sitters and morgages on the house. I moved from Stockholm shortly thereafter. *Page as in an errand boy in Congess. NP Lustans Lakejer, Akersberga Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:14:46 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hear Frantic Online At 17.56 +0200 2-04-13, JFROXY@aol.com wrote: >I honestly don't think that BF has ever released a GREAT solo album. Mamouna is a masterpiece in my book, the album that got me intrested again. I did not own a CD player at the time, but I bought in 1996 and listened to it in my headphones at work. I'll buy his 80's stuff on CD soon. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:41:10 EDT From: GeekUSA823@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] BF solo In a message dated 4/13/02 8:58:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, JFROXY@AOL.COM writes: <> I have a feeling this comment will be getting lots of attention. I just had to give my opinion though, coming from the point of view of a new Bryan Ferry fan. For solo albums, I have only gotten The Bride Stripped Bare and As Time Goes By so far. Call them lucky good choices, or what you will, but both of these albums are amazing. Both are soulful, personal, and re-listenable to no end. B's voice on Bride strikes me as being particularly emotional. Even the covers have a depth that rival the originals. To mention a few songs, Sign of the Times almost sounds like a timeless Roxy Music song, When She Walks in the Room is gorgeous and romantic, Take Me to the River is sexy and cool, What Goes On has such a heartbroken, yearning quality to it, with those grunts, and then the "How does it feel...to be loooovved" repetitions...amazing, That's How Strong My Love Is, words cannot describe, very powerful, Bryan does his R&B roots justice, and This Island Earth is a sort of hypnotic opus that just lingers with you for hours. I could also go on and on about ATGB as well, but I'll summarize by hailing it as some of the best technical singing that I've ever heard Bryan do. If you listen to Roxy Musc/Roxy Music, then ATGB, back to back, it's almost hard to believe it's the same person. Bryan has gotten more refined and powerful as a vocalist, without losing the soul. I can't imagine a more fortunate existence. Christina (who hasn't heard the Frantic clips yet, and to be honest, is a bit scared. i tend to like the element of surprise, but with all of this talk, will i break down?) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:44:59 EDT From: GeekUSA823@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] BF solo For some reason, the original message didn't post, let's try this again... In a message dated 4/13/02 8:58:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, JFROXY@AOL.COM writes: (I honestly don't think that BF has ever released a GREAT solo album.) I have a feeling this comment will be getting lots of attention. I just had to give my opinion though, coming from the point of view of a new Bryan Ferry fan. For solo albums, I have only gotten The Bride Stripped Bare and As Time Goes By so far. Call them lucky good choices, or what you will, but both of these albums are amazing. Both are soulful, personal, and re-listenable to no end. B's voice on Bride strikes me as being particularly emotional. Even the covers have a depth that rival the originals. To mention a few songs, Sign of the Times almost sounds like a timeless Roxy Music song, When She Walks in the Room is gorgeous and romantic, Take Me to the River is sexy and cool, What Goes On has such a heartbroken, yearning quality to it, with those grunts, and then the "How does it feel...to be loooovved" repetitions...amazing, That's How Strong My Love Is, words cannot describe, very powerful, Bryan does his R&B roots justice, and This Island Earth is a sort of hypnotic opus that just lingers with you for hours. I could also go on and on about ATGB as well, but I'll summarize by hailing it as some of the best technical singing that I've ever heard Bryan do. If you listen to Roxy Musc/Roxy Music, then ATGB, back to back, it's almost hard to believe it's the same person. Bryan has gotten more refined and powerful as a vocalist, without losing the soul. I can't imagine a more fortunate existence. Christina (who hasn't heard the Frantic clips yet, and to be honest, is a bit scared. i tend to like the element of surprise, but with all of this talk, will i break down?) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:57:42 EDT From: JFROXY@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AVALON] BF solo In a message dated 13/04/02 19:45:35 GMT Daylight Time, GeekUSA823@aol.com writes: > < on and on about ATGB as well, but I'll summarize by hailing it as some of > the > best technical singing that I've ever heard Bryan do.>> > > You're at the wind up aren't you? For BF's "best technical singing" check > out "These Foolish Things" and eh, you'll see what I'm getting at. > > JF. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:09:14 +0200 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Fw: [AVALON] Bryan on TV. Jimbo wrote: > Hello, > Bryan is on Belgian tv 13 april 20.40. > I think it is about the new cd. A few snippets of clips from the past, short interview and the most interesting part the recording of It's all over now baby blue. Han ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:39:23 +0100 From: Bahi Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hear Frantic Online JFROXY@aol.com wrote: >I honestly don't think that BF has ever released a GREAT solo album. Which are the great Roxy albums for you? What makes them great? (This isn't flame bait, it's a genuine question.) B ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:16:51 +0100 From: Bahi Subject: [AVALON] Nobody Loves Me: missing words I can't hear all the words in the earlier version of this song, however loud I play it. They've apparently been lost or abandoned during the long journey from Alphaville so could anyone help fill in the gaps? [???] is in my hand [???] I'll be your man Go, express train - run off the rails [???] The official lyric for the re-recorded version, from John O'Brien's site: B ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:30:48 -0400 From: "Theresa Fagan" Subject: [AVALON] sixties sighting? From an English newspaper: Question to Bryan: Roxy Music doing "Virginia Plain" on TOTP changed my life. Name the record that changed yours, and what were you doing at the time? Sara Austen, by e-mail Bryan's response: I don't really have a record, but I do have a concert that changed my life. I hitched all the way to London when I was a student in Newcastle to see Otis Redding, just before he died, along with the rest of the Stax revue, playing at the Roundhouse. The music was fantastic - it was Otis, Sam and Dave, and all the other great musicians on the label. The showmanship was amazing. They all looked incredibly flashy, whizzing round the stage in their different coloured mohair suits. It was so powerful, the best period of R&B ever. _________________ When I read this it reminded me that when I was watching a history of Rock & Roll documentary on TV, during the Stax segment, I imagined I saw Bryan in the audience of a Sam & Dave concert (it was a British concert -- I live in America). Anybody else?? - --TriTri ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:57:56 EDT From: GeekUSA823@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AVALON] BF solo In a message dated 4/13/02 11:57:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, JFROXY@AOL.COM writes: > > You're at the wind up aren't you? For BF's "best technical singing" check > > out "These Foolish Things" and eh, you'll see what I'm getting at. > As money permits, absolutely. I heard the title track on the video collection. I thought it was fantastic. Anyhow, I look forward to the good and the bad from BF. Besides, taste buds change, and I always find I'm rediscovering stuff that I thought I never liked in the past. That's the beauty of it all. Christina ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:53:05 +0100 From: "bryan o connor" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic and Alphaville The Alphaville version of Nobody Loves me was too drum n' bass. It's a late 90's sound thats dated badly. Bowie made an album of this stuff in '97, "Earthling". It got good reviews at the time but Bowie has since reverted to his old producer, Tony Visconti, to recreate some magic perhaps? Therefore, changing the music on that song was important. Sounded very dated on Alphaville in 2002. He'd have got slated if he'd brought that version out. Don't get me wrong, it's not bad but it's a style which has dated in a similar way to the late 80's Stock Aitken and Waterman sound. Remember how naff that sounded in the early 90's compared to let's say, Mamouna? Ok some say it sounded naff day one but SAW did have 4 out of the top 5 singles every week for about 2 years! But that's why I think Bryan was right to change that track. regards Bryan - ----- Original Message ----- From: "PeteK" Date: Saturday, April 13, 2002 4:01 pm Subject: [AVALON] Frantic and Alphaville > For the most part I like Frantic. However I would of left Noboby > Loves me and > Fool for Love alone. The Frantic version of Nobody Loves Me is hardly > distinguishable from the Alphaville version. The Irony is that the > Alphavilleversion is much more dare I say, frantic. Edgier, > faster, rawer. Bryan has > homogenized the Frantic version, maybe looking for AOR appeal, i > don't know. > Hiroshima is the least tinkered with and I'm glad about that. > UnfortunatelyI've never heard the Alphaville version of Cruel, but > Frantic's version is one > of bryan's all time best songs. Great lyrics, good hook easy to > sing along > with and nice guitar. Simply a masterpiece. If the radio stations > don't play > Cruel, then they won't play anything ever again from Mr. Ferry. I > like what > Bryan has done with Goin' Down. Maybe all those years hanging out > with Trower, > the blues rubbed off a little on our Bry. Well I'm going down to > the local > Vergin record in Burbank on the 26th hoping they have the Japanese > version ( 2 > extra songs) of Frantic. I hope they've heard of BF there. After > all, it is > his label. Running out of time. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ___ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:40:16 EDT From: JFROXY@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hear Frantic Online In a message dated 13/04/02 20:39:07 GMT Daylight Time, bahi@macnet.co.uk writes: > <> > > The first three Roxy albums are great, when you consider the fact that they > were recorded within the space of less than two years of each other, pure > brilliance. > Each album had classic songs on them, sounded totally different from one > another and the band completely changed the way they looked for each one. > "Country Life" and "Siren" were good LP's too, but by that time the duff > album track fillers (Triptych, Just another high, Could it happen to me, > etc.) were beginning to appear. JF ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 00:11:49 -0400 From: "M" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Music's influence on Swedish music A-ha, Daniel! Did you expect anyone to respond to your request for an essay? AND, mine is "horror-oriented." > Ok, my short thesis on: > Roxy Music's influence on Swedish music Ok, here's my goofy nonsensical ***totally untrue*** thesis on Roxy Music's influence, well, maybe more like Bryan's influence on Swedish music: They were in a grand luxurious ballroom; an elaborate pattern of delicate flowers painted on the ceiling, rich velvet burgundy drapes adorned the arched glass doorways that spanned the room. The light from the glittering chandelier reflected brightly off his silver suit, the rainbows dazzling her eyes. Her gaze swept over him, as she noted the handsome face marked with character from the passing years, the touch of gray a slight imperfection in his glossy dark hair, the twinkle in his warm sparkling eyes; there was a stylish sophisticated air about him. Bryan took her hand into his and led her onto the polished wooden floor. They danced gracefully to the melodic waltz playing softly in the background, completely enraptured as they floated around the room, their feet barely touching the ground. Bryan spun her around gently and as he was ready to take her back into his embrace, she gasped with extreme unutterable horror. His arms were outstretched, waiting for her but she stumbled backwards, her hands covering her mouth, stifling the scream lodged deeply in her throat. The blood rushed through her veins, her heart pulsated wildly, creating a cacophony in her ears. It was hideous, it was vile! Bryan turned around, to see what was the source of her fear. Now, she had a full view; no one should ever be subjected to seeing such a wretched sight. The artistic lines of his silver suit were marred by a scrunched white rectangular shape, made from a ghastly cotton fabric. Her spirit was overwhelmed with sheer terror and disgust as she realized what it was; the gossamer threads of the beautiful dream broke apart. Nina Persson of The Cardigans, woke up with a start in her dressing room, shocked to her senses. "That settles it. I'm going commando in my leather pants for tonight's concert." - ----------------- So, do I get a grade? =P M ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A young New Yorker called M Was frequently seen with old men Described as fantastic She preferred lots of plastic Especially Barbie and Ken. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ N.P. Life by The Cardigans ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #130 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest