From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #122 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, April 8 2002 Volume 07 : Number 122 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] updates ["Chris Turner" ] [AVALON] Fw: I forgot more than You'll ever know ["Han Snijders" ] [AVALON] 31/7, stadio della pallacorda [Cecilia Tonon ] [AVALON] Frantic Tan [=?iso-8859-1?q?jeanne=20louise?= ] Re: [AVALON] time spent well is so rare (fwd) [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] ferrys tour ["mark shanahan" ] Re: [AVALON] RC Mag , suday express pics ["Linda Whittingham" ] Fw: [AVALON] ferrys tour ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 09:48:57 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: [AVALON] updates Hi, The latest updates of the tour reviews now take us up to the end of the US Roxy tour. There's some great stuff there. Jane is now going to take a break while the golfball-size blisters on her typing fingers go down. The other reviews will follow later. Please also say hello to new member Edwin van der Ende from Delfgauw in Holland, whose profile has been added to the site too. Ed has been a Roxy fan for just four months, but judging by his choice of If there is something, Song for Europe, Re-make/Re-model and Do the strand as his favourite songs, he's pretty much got the right idea already. Cheers Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 10:49:47 +0200 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: [AVALON] Fw: I forgot more than You'll ever know It's anorak time again... Here some more information about the unreleased I FORGOT MORE THAN YOU'LL EVER KNOW: (Cecil Null) ) 1953 Travis Music Company. Original by the Davis Sisters: Betty Davis and Skeeter Davis. Not real sisters Skeeter's real name is Mary Pennick. Their version was released two weeks after Betty died of a car accident . Covered by Dylan (offstage) during 1965 British tour (uncirculated "Don't Look Back" footage), during "Self Portrait" sessions, Apr 1969, released in '70 and during 1986 tour (duets with Tom Petty) In '53 Betty Code recorded an answer song: I found out more Than You ever Knew :) other recordings: Sonny James '60 Johnny Cash '61 Esther Phillips '63 JL Lewis '71 CECIL NULL: I wrote "I Forgot More Than You'll Ever Know" in 1947, but it wasn't recorded until 1953. It was turned down by nearly everybody in the business. The song stems from an old saying. So many times I've heard people say "I forgot more than you'll ever know about this job or this thing or whatever." I thought it would be a good idea for a song because everybody was already familiar with the title. This song was not written from true life. If every songwriter wrote true things about himself, most wives would have left long ago. Interview, Nashville, TN, Jun 5, 1973; reprinted in Dorothy Horstman, Sing Your Heart Out, Country Boy, New York, 1976, p. 175. LYRICS: You think you know the smile on her lips, The thrill at the touch of her fingertips, But I forgot more than you'll ever know about her. You think you'll find a heaven of bliss In each caress, each tender kiss, But I forgot more than you'll ever know about her. You stole her love from me one day, You didn't care how you hurt me, But you can never steal away Memories of what used to be. You think she's yours to have and to hold, Someday you'll learn when her love grows cold That I forgot more than you'll ever know about her. Han ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 10:55:53 +0200 From: "Edwin van der Ende" Subject: Re: [AVALON] updates You either do it right straight away or don't do it at all Chris. And all this enthousiasm is natural to me, just needed Ron and the rest of Re-make/re-model to make me aware of some great music. Just taking my photography seriously made me become a Roxy fan,.... sometimes things can be that simple :) greetz, Ed - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Turner" To: "Avalon" Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 10:48 AM Subject: [AVALON] updates > Ed has been a Roxy fan for just four months, but judging by his choice of If > there is something, Song for Europe, Re-make/Re-model and Do the strand as > his favourite songs, he's pretty much got the right idea already. > > Cheers > > Chris > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 11:26:56 +0200 From: Cecilia Tonon Subject: [AVALON] 31/7, stadio della pallacorda cos'e' e dov'e'? qualcuno ha informazioni? Cecilia ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 16:46:37 +0100 From: "Duncan Watkins" Subject: [AVALON] where or when? It's there again in the Sunday Express:'That Scarf'.What is the history of it?, when did it first appear?,where can I get one?(joke)and how does he make scarf wearing look cool? Regards, Duncan. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 17:07:52 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?jeanne=20louise?= Subject: [AVALON] Frantic Tan Thanks for the tip,Douglas(or Alan),but let's face it, Roxy related named horses always seem to finish last,don't they? JL. Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:41:50 +0100 From: "Rachel Smither" Subject: Re: [AVALON] ferrys tour - -----Original Message----- From:kevin routley To: avalon@smoe.org Date: 07 April 2002 16:47 Subject: [AVALON] ferrys tour >sorry for going against the grain but does any one else see ferrys british tour as dire? there seems to be to few concerts on the map for fans in england? whats it all boil down to is this money or is ferry not to concerned any more.? yesterday i went round the record shops trying to get a copy of the new single . could i get it no .not even on import? who runs ferrys affairs for him ? who ever it is they are rubbish. what ferry wants to do is sack all the people around him and get is arse in gear. a few years back sting was trying to get back into the charts with his new single and album . the single he wanted to release flopped [desert rose]. so his manager miles copeland [he of irs who ripped of gary numan]. got sting a contract for jaguar cars.they could use his new single desert rose free of charge as long as sting was in the advert for jaguar cars. they filmed the advert in nervada using sting and track free of charge.. the next move for miles copeland release the track on single format. great news the single gets in the charts. the next move was to go to compac and get them interested in sting and so promote his tour plus a few adverts for good measure. the tour goes better than planned and the album does really well. ferry is coming to the end off the road now as a pop star .he wont be touring not much after 60. why doesnt he try and push him self and try and get him self and his music in adverts. or try and sell him self to companys . theres loads of companys out there who would love ferry to advertise there company or probuct. may be even promote his tour.? if you think to your self how do over artists survive . look at david essex .cant remember him last time in the charts but he seams to tour year in year out . 3 months at a time and if he can do that why cant ferry? ferry could go places but it seams to me that he aint really bothered any more... > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 12:55:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] ferrys tour On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Rachel Smither wrote: > sorry for going against the grain but does any one else see ferrys > british tour as dire? > there seems to be to few concerts on the map for fans in england? > whats it all boil down to is this money or is ferry not to concerned any > more.? [...] > ferry could go places but it seams to me that he aint really bothered > any more... I'm not "in with the in crowd" but I will hazard my best guess that the list of a handful tour dates David posted is very very preliminary and so before people start beating up on Mr. Ferry or his management, perhaps it'd be best to wait a few more weeks as more dates will no doubt be announced. In addition, I understand it, there is a concerted UK media push coming up. I don't think it's time to start berating these parties given that the album hasn't even been released yet. Maybe folks want to start complaining again about about the album they haven't heard yet but already don't like because they don't like the cover? ;-) Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 13:30:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] time spent well is so rare (fwd) I'm forwarding this for Tracy... - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 17:27:16 +0000 From: Tracy Connell To: cjem@his.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] time spent well is so rare I think the idea of information being posted to the list would make things convenient. I do, however, find it useful the way I have filtered the roxyrama newsletter to a folder called, guess what...roxyrama. That way I know that if the folder is showing new mail that it will be important news and I can find it straight away without going through all the Avalon Mail. This is just a suggestion that others might think is a good idea. The newsletter is so easy to subscribe to and I know straight away when there is a new newsletter, which is very important for the approaching tour, date-wise. Just a way around sorting info from different sources... Tracy >Let's get this point cleared up first: I didn't ask for information to be >posted to the list because I'm too lazy to seek it out myself. I asked >for it to be posted to the list because that's what I thought Avalon was >about. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 19:17:04 +0100 From: "Rachel Smither" Subject: Re: [AVALON] ferrys tour - -----Original Message----- From: kevin routley To: avalon@smoe.org Date: 07 April 2002 17:56 Subject: Re: [AVALON] ferrys tour collen just a few questions please. first it was put by me kevin routley. first you would not release the tour dates yet as they would put people of going . ferry playing that hovel [sorry liverpool]. too far and way to expensive. i think ferry would be better of playing better venues my self [not on my door step before people complain]. warwick castle would be good as rod stewart is playing there in the summer. perfect venue. also you said that you should post all info on avalon so every one knows every think. so how do you know there,s more dates to come? how do you know theres a large t.v.push for the album ? so much for sharing collen?????????? kevin routley [not rachel smither]. > >> > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 20:39:19 +0100 From: "Tracy Elliott" Subject: RE: [AVALON] ferrys tour > ferry playing that hovel [sorry liverpool]. too far and way to expensive. i think ferry would be better of playing better venues my self [not on my door step before people complain]. warwick castle would be good as rod stewart is playing there in the summer. perfect venue. I want to see BF play down South, come on it's right on his door step. Either Petworth Park or Goodwood, I know he's "friends" with the Earl of Marsh's wife - come on Ferry management, surely you could swing that ........ Warwick Castle is okay .... but not really South. I did not that Brazil actually got better than the UK - not including Scotland (I'm sure Scottish fans wont mind, but you've got two separate dates - okay I'll await for the outcry on that!) T ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 15:50:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] ferrys tour > first it was put by me kevin routley. I apologize Kevin--when my mail program quotes your messages, the header come up as: > On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Rachel Smither wrote: You wrote: > first you would not release the tour dates yet as they would put people > of going . > ferry playing that hovel [sorry liverpool]. > too far and way to expensive. [...] > also you said that you should post all info on avalon so every one knows > every think. > so how do you know there,s more dates to come? Kevin I don't know for a fact that there are more dates to come--I'm extrapolating from past experience. Do you think that it's possible that Bryan Ferry would be touring Brazil and Peru and after two very succesful tours of the UK in recent years have only one show in the UK, and in Liverpool at that? Hmmmm? Do you honestly believe that Zurich, Aberdeen, and Cork as lovely as they all no doubt are would get shows and at the very least London wouldn't? (well, then again who knows what you lot might have done during those London shows to keep him away ;-) ) I think what has happened is that there has been a 'leak' of confirmed and unconfirmed dates, and an incomplete list of dates at that. > how do you know theres a large t.v.push for the album ? > so much for sharing collen?????????? I didn't say a large "t.v." push, but I did say a large media push. As I understand it, as it was mentioned to me in passing, Mr. Ferry and/or _Frantic_ will be featured in a number of UK magazines and newspapers over the next month or so. As I am in the United States and you are based in the UK, I dare say that you will see the evidence of that before I do. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 12:57:46 -0700 From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] ferrys tour >-----Original Message----- >From:kevin routley >sorry for going against the grain but does any one else see ferrys british tour as dire? [snip] >whats it all boil down to is this money or is ferry not to concerned any more.? [snip] >who runs ferrys affairs for him ? who ever it is they are rubbish. what ferry wants to do is sack all the >people around him and get is arse in gear. >a few years back sting was trying to get back into the charts with his new single and album . >the single he wanted to release flopped [desert rose]. so his manager miles copeland [he of irs who >ripped of gary numan]. got sting a contract for jaguar cars.they could use his new single desert >rose free of charge as long as sting was in the advert for jaguar cars. it is dire. i think ferry doesn't care at all anymore about *anything* but cashflow. having not made a # on the roxy tour last year, he's decided the fans don't matter (they're all naming their kids after his songs, etc., etc. anyway) and it's time to make some money. isn't that **obvious**?? the 'frantic' cover artwork was only the beginning ... and yes - seriously - are you mad??? ferry should follow in _sting's_ footsteps?? pardon me while i double over laughing (or vomiting) for at least a couple of hours straight. 1) ferry has been more active in the last three years than he has in _ages_ 2) you cannot compare ferry to sting in *any* way whatsoever (i'm not advocating censorship - just that it's so far into the 'apples & oranges' argument that it _just doesn't work_) 3) you want ferry in TV adverts?? maybe if he was an out-of-work TV/film actor, i could see it 4) your comments seem more like a 'first-strike' before the fact. how do you know ferry's only going to play out-of-the-way castles on this tour, etc.? while i understand that the underlying theme is maybe two-part - with the idea that it's often hard for artists to be able to be supported by their label, and the age-old 'does the artist care about the fans?'. i think the former has a bit more weight than the latter. however, i would argue that it's not all that simple (and anyone who knows how ferry's album is being distributed in various markets can say something here - as well as the tour dates, etc.) and do you know how much control ferry has over all this? i don't. the idea that he doesn't care anymore - sorry, i just don't know what you're talking about. maybe you could provide some elucidation on this. because it seems more like muddy water - IMO. peaces/ms _______________________________________________________________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 00:05:19 +0100 From: "Linda Whittingham" Subject: Re: [AVALON] RC Mag , suday express pics Hello Paula, the review was not bad i have been out ordering all the magazines listed on the Roxyrama web site which are related to Bryan's new album Frantic,. I would be most greatful if you couldor anyone else get me a copy of today's Sunday Express info and pics of Bryan Ferry as i could not get one at any near by newsagents in my town as they were sold out early. best wishes Linda Whittingham >From: "paula brown" >To: "Johnny Reece" , >Subject: Re: [AVALON] RC Mag - Frantic review >Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 09:01:56 -0600 > >Nice! Thanks! Paula > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Johnny Reece >Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 3:55 AM >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] RC Mag - Frantic review > >Hi all, >the April edition of Record Collector Magazine is >hitting the stands this weekend, and it would be an >understatement to say they like Bry's Album. There's a >little 'mini interview' in the mag too. Album Review >as follows : >---------------------------------------------------- > >It's always a relief when a major artist regains form >; Bob Dylan on Time Out Of Mind, Neil Young on >Freedom. It is, therefore, superb to announce that >Bryan Ferry joins this elite club with his eleventh >solo Album, Frantic. >Ferry has clearly been energised by three significant >(not foolish) things : the enthusiastic reception >given to his 30s covers Album, As Time Goes By ; the >love that was shown for Roxy Music's brief reunion >tour ; and, most importantly, the fact that he and his >family narrowly escaped death when the plane he was >travelling on was hijacked in 1999. >Instead of further refining the template of 1982's >Avalon until it almost entirely evaporated, or riding >once again the war-horse of the cover-version-only >album, Ferry not only finds his form on Frantic but >actually redefines it. >Recorded with sympathetic players such as Chris >Spedding, Radiohead's Jonny Greenwood and the >remarkable Paul Thompson, Frantic actually feels like >it was recorded in a non-stop two week session. >It wasn't, of course. Some of the material here, >notably his cover of Leadbelly's Goodnight Irene, have >been around for the last eight years or so, but the >majority of it was recorded in a quickish burst as >Roxy's tour came to a close in the Summer of 2001. >The opening A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall version of It's >All Over Now, Baby Blue locates the Album immediately >in full retro mode. Most astonishingly, Ferry has >actually found 'that voice' again. The Dylan >connection goes further with a sumptuous piano and >vocal version of Don't Think Twice It's Alright, where >Ferry is recorded so intimately, every breath is >captured. And he whips out his harmonica. >Cruel sees a bit of Tokyo Joe here, a slice of Country >Life there, but this is something new - and to hear >Ferry intone "James Bond, Jackie O, Johnnie Ray and >Garbo", we are reminded that we're listening to the >original chronicler of popular culture. >Frantic's two major talking points, however, are San >Simeon, which finds Ferry in full skull - beneath - >the - skin - mode and I Thought. The former includes >verses that were originally intended for 'In Every >Dream Home A Heartache' and returns him to the >art-rocking days of yore. The latter is the Album's >finale and reunites Ferry with Eno. To hear Ferry >singing one of Eno's sea shanties, with Eno on backing >vocals, is a fitting end to an Album of this quality. >The final couplets "listen and hold on, till the day >fades out, smothered in gold" dissolving into Ferry's >final harmonica solo, enable Frantic to close on a >tremendously optimistic high. >Remaining not quite in step with the times, but >actually firmly ahead of them, Frantic displays Bryan >Ferry in the best possible light. Jagger and >McCartney, pay attention - THIS is how you grow old >gracefully. > >(Review by Daryl Easlea). >-------------------------------------------------- > >I found the Dream Home / Simeon part particularly >interesting - and here's the part of the interview >concentrating on that point : > >-------------------- >RC : "San Simeon is an obvious link with your past. Is >it true that some of the verses were left off In Every >Dream Home A Heartache" ? > >Ferry : "I came across the Dream Home lyric, and >verses I hadn't used - it would have been a hell of an >epic if I'd sung them all ! So, I tailored them to San >Simeon. I lost most of my lyrics around the time of >Avalon in a suitcase that never turned up, when we >were flying home from Nassau". >----------------------- > >It's a reasonably short interview, placed beside the >Album review. > > > >Reecey... > > > > > >===== >. >. >. >----------------------------------------------- >www.musicatlisten.com. Musical bias rules ok ! >----------------------------------------------- >Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover >http://greetings.yahoo.com/ > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 01:16:17 -0500 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: [AVALON] That was fast Check the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1529454266 J. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 22:02:14 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Fw: [AVALON] ferrys tour - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tracy Elliott To: 'Rachel Smither' ; Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 8:39 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] ferrys tour > warwick castle would be good Great I could stroll the 1 mile down the road, where can I buy tickets. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #122 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest