From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #83 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, March 4 2002 Volume 07 : Number 083 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed. [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function charged. [David Firmin ] [AVALON] (Avalon) Single cock up [KWil632057@AOL.COM] Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed ["N. S. Koff" ] Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed. ["Chris Turner" ] RE: [AVALON] Hear Nobody Loves Me ["Bill " ] RE: [AVALON] Hear Nobody Loves Me ["Bill " ] Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed. [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed ["tmoq" ] [AVALON] Nobody Loves Me -Caution: Song Talk ["paula brown" ] Re: [AVALON] where's my reply button???? ["mark shanahan" ] [AVALON] How? ["Bill " ] [AVALON] time of no reply-to [Miles Goosens ] Re: [AVALON] concord 2001 [Miles Goosens ] Re: [AVALON] it's all very fuzzy ["mark shanahan" ] Re: [AVALON] time of no reply-to [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] re: Frantic (spoilers) [KWil632057@AOL.COM] Re: [AVALON] concord 2001 ["N. S. Koff" ] [AVALON] Virgin [David Firmin ] Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed ["N. S. Koff" ] Re: [AVALON] concord 2001 ["R. Jackson" ] Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed [William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed. On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Chris Turner wrote: > Smoe could also reduce it's number of bounced posts significantly if it > were to address the number of dead e-mail addresses on the list, which I > conservatively estimate at 50+ and have mentioned here on numerous > occasions. Actually Chris, it's not a matter of "smoe" doing it, it's a matter of the Avalon list admin doing it. As it turns out, Jason hadn't been getting all of the bounced messages. And as soon as I had access to the bounced messages last week I immediately began removing those addresses from the list (and folks were apprised of the situation so they could resubscribe if they desired). If you check you will see that about 50 addresses have indeed been removed from the subscription lists over the last week. The attendant bounces related to those address have subsequently been eliminated. > Finally, may I make a third request (the previous two having regrettably > been ignored by smoe) that the list's homepage at www.roxytalk.co.uk be > added to the 'Mailing List' page at http://www.smoe.org/lists/ Avalon is > virtually the only mailing list which lacks a link to its home page. Again, it's not "smoe"'s fault--those things require an active Avalon list administrator. I'd be happy to add that link when I do all of the updates to those files. Thank you for the suggestion. > A year ago I wrote a series of scripts for the site which automate the > subscr*ibe and unsubscr*be functions for this list, after the list > manager complained in this forum of the number of bounce errors received > when joining the list. As the first page most potential subsc*bers > currently see is a techno-dense FAQ, I belive this more 'human' portal > is more welcoming, and will provide fewer errors, although I would > welcome any suggestions on improvements. And thank you for that. As has been noted by Miles, a new welcome message is in the works which will address many of these concerns and will indeed make the introduction to the list--and hopefully the list itself-- more "human." Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:27:05 -0800 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function charged. I won't be bashing it. That 30 second clip of Cruel was better than anything El Ferranti has done since Bride. I'd like to put it on a continuous loop. As for the "Reply-To:" function, It doesn't matter except for a little extra effort that I'd rather not deal with. On top of that, Bravenet is down, so no PT, Manzo or RM web forums. David - on his third cup of coffee. - -- Bryan Ferry 'Frantic' http://home.ix.netcom.com/~dfirmin/rmc.html *** on 3/4/02 10:05 AM, Heather James at hjames@thewebgal.com wrote: > Ah, the TRUE will out - the Fabulous Firmin Freak Brothers "Fez" nickname > for Bryan Ferry is finally explained! > > Ah, knew I shouldn't have had that caffeined soda for lunch ... > > Hey - the list works, its not that hard to write emails, its nearly 2 > days into it and folks are talking ... get OVER it and lets get back to > the Frantic bashing ... so where CAN we buy a copy of this puppy - I > want to hear it NOW! > > > > -= )-(eather =- >> --------------------< > hjames@thewebgal.com > > The Roxy Music Archives: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ > My Music Trading Lists: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-boots.html > Roxy Music Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/roxy-boots.html > Van Morrison Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-van.html >> -----------------------------------------------------------------------< > > > Colleen Matan wrote: >> >> Ooooooh, Thom, if you only had idea of the decisions this "unidentified" >> group within the list will be making in the near future, you can't imagine >> how "uneasy" you should be feeling. Not only are we going to have a >> secret handshake and wear funny hats, but we're also about to draw up a >> list of random words which will automatically boot people off the list, >> change the posting mechanism so that you have to solve an algebra problem >> before one can send a post to the list, and also check folks' bank >> accounts before they're allowed to join the list. Not to mention the fact >> that this secret group is also thinking verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry seriously about >> making Esperanto the official list language. >> >> >> Colleen >> "It's no secret what everybody knows"--Neil Young >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:38:46 EST From: OBrienFerry@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] Hear Nobody Loves Me Virgin's streaming audio has been changed and you can hear 'Nobody Loves Me' A link can be found at vivaroxymusic.com Regards John O'Brien ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:43:54 -0800 From: "N. S. Koff" Subject: [AVALON] Shout out to:Bryan S. Richards Hi Bryan, I have tried to respond to you by email (a few times) to your email some time ago but your ISP won't accept emails from mine. Sorry about that. I didn't mean to snub you or anything -- perhaps you could send me another email from a server that won't bounce replies back and I'll be able to fill you in.... Nick ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:49:33 EST From: KWil632057@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] (Avalon) Single cock up So the single will be after the album. Great, that wont even chart. Cheers Virgin. Jonathan (Very disappointed) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:49:00 -0800 From: "N. S. Koff" Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed Well, I think the reply-to change is a good one, but if there's so much contention between the different sides, Miles' post made me wonder if there isn't a way to NOT HAVE a reply-to -- thus forcing the poster to think even more clearly about who he wants to post to (if at all) before s(he) hits the send button... Warmest regards, Nick ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:55:04 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed. Thank you Actually I have twice had friendly email conversations with the folks at smoe, in which they said they were perfectly happy and willing to make this change. They just didn't do it. Could I also ask that the footer be changed to something neutral and informative, and preferrably on a single line. This is a music list and American political statements have no place on this list. Chris Colleen wrote: > > Again, it's not "smoe"'s fault--those things require an active Avalon list > administrator. I'd be happy to add that link when I do all of the > updates to those files. Thank you for the suggestion. Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:09:15 -0000 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: [AVALON] Just checking Am I on the list? Or have I been deleted? Just checking that I have been deleted, if I have then I might have the day off work tomorrow, because I may not have been there since I was deleted, so know one will notice. Still avoiding all reports of new recordings. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:27:10 -0600 From: "Bill " Subject: RE: [AVALON] Hear Nobody Loves Me MIND-BENDINGLY good!!!!! - -----Original Message----- Virgin's streaming audio has been changed and you can hear 'Nobody Loves Me' A link can be found at vivaroxymusic.com Regards John O'Brien ________________________________________________________________________ ___ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:25:49 -0600 From: "Bill " Subject: RE: [AVALON] Hear Nobody Loves Me INCREDIBLE! Sounds even better than the Alphaville version floating around at Audiogalaxy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of OBrienFerry@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 12:39 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Hear Nobody Loves Me Virgin's streaming audio has been changed and you can hear 'Nobody Loves Me' A link can be found at vivaroxymusic.com Regards John O'Brien ________________________________________________________________________ ___ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:37:50 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed. On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > At 05:55 PM 3/4/2002 +0000, you wrote: > >There is a compromise situation. Leaving the 'Reply-To' blank would mean > >that pressing reply would evoke an instance of the email client, but would > >leave the reply address blank. This would avoid misdirected posts > >altogether, as the author of the reply would have to think about the > >destination of the reply without having an enforced default which is > >inappropriate for many users. Indeed as I type the letters 'a-v' into my > >email client Outlook Express fills in the rest of avalon@smoe.org for me. > >Easy > > A solution that will displease everyone! :-) I wonder if leaving that > default "reply-to" blank would work, or would mail clients autofill an > address (the senders', probably)... I'm in favor of keeping it the way > it is *now,* but I hadn't thought of this idea before. Colleen? I can't see how taking out *all* of the information is helpful--the list address is easily found, but you may not have the sender's address so handy. Chris also wrote: > Could I also ask that the footer be changed to something neutral and > informative, and preferrably on a single line. This is a music list and > American political statements have no place on this list. As an American I'm clearly out of it as I'm missing the political significance of this line, but certainly it can be modified. I was already thinking I might add something like "Replies intended for the list should be sent to smoe.org." Also, while I do welcome everyone's input on the reply-to issue and on other list issues, I am not entirely sure that Avalon should suddenly turn into Avalon-Admin. If you have suggestions for small things like the footer, etc., I'd ask that those things please be sent privately to me. Obviously if someone feels that they'd like to bring up an issue on-list it remains their prerogative; I'd just like to see the focus of the list turn back to the music. Thanks again to everyone who has shared their thoughts and I look forward to reading more input. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:52:35 -0500 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed No problems for me with the "Reply To" function change. Those of us who occasionally send an "off list" intended reply to the list welcome this switch. But besides that, no one has really given it a chance. Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:46:07 -0600 From: "paula brown" Subject: [AVALON] Nobody Loves Me -Caution: Song Talk "Nobody Loves Me" sounds GREAT. That one-second snippet of guitar at the end of the audio clip sounded very promising. The lyrics were coming alive under his execution as well. I'm psyched! Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:59:58 -0600 From: "Bill " Subject: RE: [AVALON] Nobody Loves Me -Caution: Song Talk Do we know for sure WHO that GUITARIST you mention IS? - -----Original Message----- "Nobody Loves Me" sounds GREAT. That one-second snippet of guitar at the end of the audio clip sounded very promising. The lyrics were coming alive under his execution as well. I'm psyched! Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 14:47:16 -0500 From: Heather James Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed. What American political statements? Sigh ... please, save us from using British Political statements as a tagline ... (See, that made about as much sense as the last comment - no one advocated ANY political statement and I doubt that Colleen would request it either - its not the Avalon style, is it?) ... The default tagline is the same "How to unsubscribe" message that its been for ages - but I like the idea of trimming it to a single line ... > _____________________________________________________________________ > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon That should work! No flames intended - let the mail war continue -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com >-----------------------------------------------------------------------< Chris Turner wrote: > Thank you > > Actually I have twice had friendly email conversations with the folks at > smoe, in which they said they were perfectly happy and willing to make this > change. They just didn't do it. > > Could I also ask that the footer be changed to something neutral and > informative, and preferrably on a single line. This is a music list and > American political statements have no place on this list. > > Chris > > Colleen wrote: > >>Again, it's not "smoe"'s fault--those things require an active Avalon list >>administrator. I'd be happy to add that link when I do all of the >>updates to those files. Thank you for the suggestion. >> > Chris > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:59:46 -0800 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed One concern is if someone sends you a personal email off-list and you unknowingly reply to the whole list. If you just hit "Reply All" on most email programs it will go the the list and the sender. You can delete one of those if you wish. David *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:18:28 -0800 From: "N. S. Koff" Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Do The Strand" I think Mr. Ferry must have been in an exceedingly good mood the day he penned this one. I'd like to imagine him drinking champagne cocktails from a balcony overlooking the ocean in Spain just before siesta time, having just had a good laugh as the basic structure of the song come to him in the shower after a lovely spot of sunbathing with a lovely Roxy girl; the laughter continuing as he filled in the beats with tasty references to partygoers across the globe. What a pleasant, upbeat song! Warmest regards, Nick ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:52:50 -0800 From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] where's my reply button???? _______________________________________________________________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <-----Original Message-----> >From: Judy Kaufman >>From: mark shanahan >>and when ferry pours over hearst's 'san simeon', i'm assuming that it's >>as a guest ... > >After reading the lyrics, I thought 'ghost'. Perhaps it's just the memory of >seeing San Simeon in the fog. i guess i was thinking of 'guest ghost' (?), but you're right. the visualization & general feel takes on an entirely different meaning in this regard! re: the contentious 'reply' discussion ... i just really do not see what the problem is with - whatever - typing in "avalon@smoe.org" or simply hitting the 'reply all' button. man, who posted this website before - http://www.whoohoo.net/worldturns/ -- let's try it again. this 'debate' is not something to lock up your cognitive functions over ... i wouldn't think ... i should think that the end result would be an improvement overall, for everyone - and less bandwidth too. the less pollution in life, the better. MHO. peaces/ms ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:13:46 -0800 From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] concord 2001 _______________________________________________________________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <-----Original Message-----> >From: N. S. Koff >[cut]This offer is being made only to people who are willing to burn and offer an additional 6 >copies each to others. Whether the next 36 continue to spread the wealth is out of my hands, morally >speaking. That is, I believe, how a tree should work. If I have erred again, please let me know asap, but >please be nice, okay? pardon the delay in responding to this particular message. er - frankly, if i did, i don't believe i made this mention. and that simply is: that if we truly are going to 'share the wealth', wouldn't a stipulation to these 6 people (or at least one or two thereof) be to offer the same ON-LIST? or am i way off base here? i only say this because, if it's shared only amongst friends from the list, etc. - then, it's not really what i'd call sharing. [not advocating more OT traffic on-list, btw.] i'm surprised there wasn't more talk on this issue as well. any others have any opinion on this issue? peaces/ms ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:15:28 -0600 From: "Bill " Subject: [AVALON] How? Am I supposed to make it another 6 weeks or so until I can have my Ferry fix? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:23:35 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [AVALON] time of no reply-to Colleen says: >Chris also wrote: > > >> Could I also ask that the footer be changed to something neutral and >> informative, and preferrably on a single line. This is a music list and >> American political statements have no place on this list. > > >As an American I'm clearly out of it as I'm missing the political >significance of this line, but certainly it can be modified. All this time I had thought it was a Kevin Nealon reference! Guess it's got to do with a Dubya malapropism. While I'm confessing my Avalonian mental goofs, you know Mark S.'s signature? >peaces/ms For the first year he was on the list, I'm sure I thought of him as "peaches," and wondered what the "ms" stood for. Now if that isn't Dubya-worthy, I don't know what is! later, Miles "words... words... words... if I wanted to read, I'd go to school." - Butt-Head ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:26:46 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [AVALON] concord 2001 At 01:13 PM 3/4/2002 -0800, mark shanahan wrote: >pardon the delay in responding to this particular message. er - frankly, >if i did, i don't believe i made this mention. and that simply is: that >if we truly are going to 'share the wealth', wouldn't a stipulation to >these 6 people (or at least one or two thereof) be to offer the same >ON-LIST? I can't speak for the other five people (and I'll get back to you today off-list, Nick), but as one of the three North Americans who's going to start distributing this, I fully intend to offer it on list. (Don't ask for it now -- I'll make an announcement a little later.) later, Miles ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:27:11 -0800 From: "mark shanahan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] it's all very fuzzy _______________________________________________________________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <-----Original Message-----> >From: Miles Goosens >While I'm confessing my Avalonian mental goofs, you know Mark S.'s signature? > > >peaces/ms > >For the first year he was on the list, I'm sure I thought of him as >"peaches," and wondered what the "ms" stood for. Now if that isn't >Dubya-worthy, I don't know what is! now, i'm sure there's no reason to align yourself with W's ever-so-slight grammah problem. as far as "peaches" ... well, i am kind of fuzzy at times! here's a better signature perhaps (but one that is [thankfully ?] a pain to add; you have to keep hitting the button each time! it's so hard to do and i forget and stuff): ***************************************************************** Women! I have no idea. I don't know anything about women at all. They're a complete mystery to me. - - Bryan Ferry ***************************************************************** peaches/ms p.s. - anyone else having trouble getting the virgin germany audio link to work? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 13:28:56 -0800 From: "N. S. Koff" Subject: Re: [AVALON] concord 2001 At 01:13 PM 3/4/02, you wrote: ><-----Original Message-----> > >From: N. S. Koff > > >[cut]This offer is being made only to people who are willing to burn >and offer an additional 6 > >copies each to others. Whether the next 36 continue to spread the >wealth is out of my hands, morally > >speaking. That is, I believe, how a tree should work. If I have erred >again, please let me know asap, but > >please be nice, okay? > >pardon the delay in responding to this particular message. er - frankly, >if i did, i don't believe i made this mention. and that simply is: that >if we truly are going to 'share the wealth', wouldn't a stipulation to >these 6 people (or at least one or two thereof) be to offer the same >ON-LIST? or am i way off base here? i only say this because, if it's >shared only amongst friends from the list, etc. - then, it's not really >what i'd call sharing. [not advocating more OT traffic on-list, btw.] > >i'm surprised there wasn't more talk on this issue as well. any others >have any opinion on this issue? It was definitely my expectation that those who agreed to pass along their B&Ps would make that offer back to the list, and I believe those listmembers who agreed to take part stated as much. I certainly hope, and expect that they will. Warmest regards, Nick NP: RM / San Diego State University - April 30, 1983 Sorry -- for the moment the webpages are unavailable due to the bungling of the webhosts... Roxy Trade Page: http://www.boootlegs.com/roxy.htm Roxy Trade Page - Text Only: http://www.boootlegs.com/bootxt04.htm Other Trade Stuff: http://www.boootlegs.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:40:15 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] time of no reply-to On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > Colleen says: > >Chris also wrote: > > > > > >> Could I also ask that the footer be changed to something neutral and > >> informative, and preferrably on a single line. This is a music list and > >> American political statements have no place on this list. > > > > > >As an American I'm clearly out of it as I'm missing the political > >significance of this line, but certainly it can be modified. > > All this time I had thought it was a Kevin Nealon reference! Guess it's > got to do with a Dubya malapropism. Me too. And if I'm remembering correctly, this signature was adopted long before Dubya became president. But if it's somehow offensive, it'll be changed. Curiouser and curiouser, Alice in Wonderland ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:44:10 EST From: KWil632057@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] re: Frantic (spoilers) Bloody hell. Someones a bit bitter, going by the lyrics on this one. Dare I interpret Goddess of Love as being about Ms. Jerry Hall? Jonathan n/p Are You Being Served 'OST' ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 14:23:55 -0800 From: "N. S. Koff" Subject: Re: [AVALON] concord 2001 At 01:26 PM 3/4/02, you wrote: >At 01:13 PM 3/4/2002 -0800, mark shanahan wrote: > >pardon the delay in responding to this particular message. er - frankly, > >if i did, i don't believe i made this mention. and that simply is: that > >if we truly are going to 'share the wealth', wouldn't a stipulation to > >these 6 people (or at least one or two thereof) be to offer the same > >ON-LIST? > >I can't speak for the other five people (and I'll get back to you today >off-list, Nick), but as one of the three North Americans who's going to >start distributing this, I fully intend to offer it on list. Of course you will! So will everyone else. By the way, shockingly, the first few seconds of Jealous Guy are not part of this show -- don't know what happened with the taper, but everything else is here and it is indeed an exciting, lively document. I've heard that many of the listmembers were there, from all parts of the world and will be glad to hear it. It's almost ready -- I was delaying in the hopes of tracking down a complete version of the song but at this point I must throw up my hands and let it out the way it is. If there is an updated Jealous Guy coming my way, I will incorporate it into the show as soon as I get it. The webpage is up and running now -- but if you type www into the URL it won't work -- either no WWW or four W's will do it... Warmest regards, Nick N/P: Ladytron - Richfield Stadium, Cleveland, OH 1979 Roxy Trade Page: http://boootlegs.com/roxy.htm Roxy Trade Page - Text Only: http://boootlegs.com/bootxt04.htm Other Trade Stuff: http://boootlegs.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 14:21:53 -0800 From: David Firmin Subject: [AVALON] Virgin They really screwed the up the site http://www.vmg.co.uk/ I don't know what happened to Eden and the Raft sections? I guess we'll have to keep an eye on the German site for news? *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 14:27:35 -0800 From: "N. S. Koff" Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed Here's one of the pitfalls of the new reply-to that I must say I like very much in spite of the possibility of the occasional accident happening. Of course, it would be KB... At 02:17 PM 3/4/02, you wrote: >I told you to never privately email me again. And I mean >it. - Do it again, I will take action. > > >Received: > from albatrossII.wgn.net >(112-160-239-64.pajo.com[64.239.160.112]) by prserv.net > (in1) with ESMTP id ><20020304185148101080bsose>; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:51:49 > +0000 > Received: > from hppav.wgn.net >(66-52-23-119.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com [66.52.23.119] (may be > forged)) (authenticated) by >albatrossII.wgn.net (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id > g24K4Yx12357 for ; >Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:04:35 -0800 > Message-ID: > ><4.3.2.7.2.20020304104930.00b6bf00@mail.wgn.net> > X-Sender: > Me > X-Mailer: > My E-Mail Mailer > Date: > Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:49:55 -0800 > To: > kbporte@attglobal.net > From: > "N. S. Koff" > Subject: > Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed > In-Reply-To: > <3C839DA1.A1FFDF03@attglobal.net> > References: > ><5.1.0.14.2.20020304091212.047a5ec0@pop.mindspring.com> > Mime-Version: > 1.0 > Content-Type: > multipart/alternative; >boundary="=====================_1204178==_.ALT" > X-Mozilla-Status: > 0000 > X-Mozilla-Status2: > 00000000 > X-UIDL: > 2002030418514910106fj85je00012l > > > > >At 08:15 AM 3/4/02, you wrote: > > Oh let me tell you, I just spent all of three seconds and > five keystrokes to ensure that this email is sent to >Avalon > List only! Oh Boy, was that damned inconvenient! > > This is a non issue. The list administrator has every >right > to autonomously make this kind of decision! > > Big change - you don't like change? - get with the >program, > consider your response, then be sure you send your > considered response to the correct entity - geez, if >people > hadn't adapted to all the changes in their lifetime you'd >be > grinding your own wheat and building the fire to bake the > bread. Wow. My fingers are really sore from five tiny > little keystrokes and my brain hurts from the fact that I > have to remember to verify that the address I wish to send > my email to is in the 'send to' box. God. Do you think > things could be anymore difficult! > > >Good point, KB. > > > >Warmest regards, > >Nick ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 14:12:21 -0800 From: "R. Jackson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] concord 2001 I'll offer it up, as well. Nick has been kind enough to negotiate a trade with me and I'm in the process of converting my analog stuff to digital, rearranging the edit points for disc, etc. but as soon as we wrap things up and I have the Concord discs I'll be happy to offer up a North American B&P, too. - -Rob At 03:26 PM 3/4/2002 -0600, you wrote: >I can't speak for the other five people (and I'll get back to you today >off-list, Nick), but as one of the three North Americans who's going to >start distributing this, I fully intend to offer it on list. > >(Don't ask for it now -- I'll make an announcement a little later.) > >later, > >Miles ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 14:35:40 -0800 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Virgin Never mind. They've just complicated it with fancy web stuff. on 3/4/02 2:21 PM, David Firmin at eddieriff@yahoo.com wrote: > They really screwed up the site http://www.vmg.co.uk/ > > I don't know what happened to Eden and the Raft sections? I guess we'll have > to keep an eye on the German site for news? > *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:21:02 -0800 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed At 02:52 PM 3/4/02 -0500, tmoq wrote: > But besides that, no one has really given it a chance. (Simply using Gene's comment because it's convenient...) I'm on over 100 lists, as well as a few dozen announcement-only type ones. I run a number of lists. I provide platforms for others to run lists. I've been promoting, participating in and facilitating electronic communications for about 18 years. Which is not to say or imply that my opinion is "more important" than anybody else's; they're simply empirical credentials for my observations and opinions. MYTH: Reply-To: $SENDER is "what most lists use"/"what all my other lists use". It's unlikely that anybody here is on more lists than I. Of the 100+ lists I'm currently on, the ratio is more than 3:1 with Reply-To: set to $LIST. MYTH: Reply-To: $SENDER makes for a more friendly list. No difference, as far as I can tell. I've seen idiots on parade and nasty flame wars on each. (There is, of course, more on-list bitching about receiving multiple copies of messages on those with Reply-To: $SENDER.) MYTH: Reply-To: $SENDER makes for a more "professional" list. The majority of lists I'm on are industry related. In other words, many of the subscribers are peers and/or potential associates/partners/future-or-previous employers. Environments which are not entirely separated from Real Life; places where you have opportunity to either make and break your reputation. In some sense of the term, it doesn't get more "professional" than that. Again, see >3:1 ratio. One interesting (to me) observation is that the lists which *do* have it set to $SENDER are generally those involving the most technical content -- network operations, operating systems, databases, etc. -- and I think it no coincidence. Email is an important tool for such folks. They know how to use their clients and they make the judgment call every time they reply as to whether their words are relevant and of interest to others, or more appropriately directed privately. Solicitations for information or opinion frequently end with "replies off-list, I will summarize". Again, reputation issues, as well as respect for the time and mailboxes of other. MYTH: Reply-To: $SENDER will educate people about how to use their email client. I can't think of any more potentially effective way to get somebody to pay closer attention to what they are doing than them accidentally sending something personal to the full list... repeatedly even. But that's just me. The reality is, has been, and probably always will be, that some people are lazy or just not email-savvy. "Reply All" is what they'll learn to hit, but many will forget or outright not bother to edit the To: field. Somebody else pointed out in this discussion how we'll see To: and CC:s ad nauseam. It's inevitable, a certainty, like on every other $SENDER list I've ever been on. I post, someone replies, I get two copies. One directly in my precious inbox, rather than filtered into its appropriate lower-priority home. Then someone else replies to the reply... blech. Another side effect of this I find particularly annoying: on-list discussions occur off-list, then get posted en-masse when the mail server catches up (it might be slow, overloaded, temporarily down or unreachable). So much for "discussion". MYTH: Reply-To: $LIST is therefore the better choice. No, it's always the administrator's/moderator's choice, and the debate on which is the "right way" has been raging for years. (Because, of course, there *is* no "right way".) Personally, I feel that almost any list which is discussion-oriented should be Reply-To: $LIST. Lists which are primarily information dissemination ones -- announcements, buy-and-sell, etc. -- should not foster list replies and thus always be set $SENDER. It's my simple rule of thumb, and the same one used by almost every one of the list administrators I know personally. We're probably evenly split on which way a list consisting of people with a high level of email-clue should swing (I tend to stick with the rule of thumb... figuring such folks know how to grab the private address when needed, so no point making *every* post an exercise in editing and a potential for needless bandwidth waste). $0.02 -wfs ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #83 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest