From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #82 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, March 4 2002 Volume 07 : Number 082 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Number 11 in '77 ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20=5BAVALON=5D=20New=20Ferry=20Single=20Ma rch=2018th?= [philipcada] Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed. ["Andy Cooper" ] Re: [AVALON] Fwd: Reply to options ["thom.wallace" ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic or Alphaville [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] Re: Admin reply-to stuff ["Grant Goggans" ] Re: [AVALON] Fwd: Reply to options ["Grant Goggans" ] Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed [CoconutTears@AOL.COM] Re: [AVALON] Frantic or Alphaville ["Judy Kaufman" ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic or Alphaville [Bahi ] Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed [Miles Goosens ] Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed. [Miles Goosens ] Re: [AVALON] Unofficial Roxy artwork ["paula brown" ] Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed. [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed. ["Chris Turner" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Number 11 in '77 Dale Winton makes you sick? What? I heard that too, and I did utter some nasty words at my radio. Put it down to a clueless production team. SimonG >>> "terrypaulrigz8c" 03/02 3:36 pm >>> Just listening to the lovely Dale Winton (sic) on radio 2 who informs the nation that number 11 in the Top 20 this week in 1977 was "This is Tomorrow by ROXY MUSIC"!, does anyone have this version in thier collection? Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:32:49 +0000 From: philipcadams@lineone.net Subject: [AVALON] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20=5BAVALON=5D=20New=20Ferry=20Single=20Ma rch=2018th?= maybe the first UK single from the album will be a Ferry orginal , or Ferry/Stewart original Philip - -- Original Message -- >> I think we may find that It's All Over Now Baby Blue is to be a mainland >> Europe single and UK will have a different song as a single with the same >> extra tracks on the CD single but released at a later date. I hope to >confirm >> that soon with a catalogue number so that advance ordering will be easier. >> >> Regards >> John O'Brien > >Any idea what's the strategy behind this? > >Han > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 09:32:08 +0000 From: "Andy Cooper" Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed. Thom (Tom?) wrote:- >I'm not having a dig, but I would have thought if it was going to be such >popular change that at least one person would have posted about it on-line. I am firmly in the 'popular change' camp on this one - I think it's a great idea since having been very, very close to posting private stuff to the list several times. And is Reply All such a hardship? - you couldn't get it to do that the other way around before, it was more of a pain cutting and pasting the private email address (for me anyway). It's also quite nice to have an 'active' list admin for a change. I am sure it is an onerous task and one I wouldn't like (or have the patience for). Keep up the good work, Colleen. Cheers Andy _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 04:57:08 EST From: OBrienFerry@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] Ferry single UK In a message dated Mon, 4 Mar 2002 4:35:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, philipcadams@lineone.net writes: > maybe the first UK single from the album will be a Ferry orginal , or Ferry/Stewart > original > > Philip > 'Gooddess Of Love' I think is a good bet J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:05:51 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry single UK Would Felicity Kendal be in the video? :-) SimonG np. Future Jazz, it's a bit crap but it's part of the job... >>> 03/04 9:57 am >>> 'Goddess Of Love' I think is a good bet J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:21:04 -0000 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fwd: Reply to options - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:01 AM Subject: [AVALON] Fwd: Reply to options > I'm forwarding this to the list because having sent off a vote of support to > Colleen, I saw the 'challenge' from Tom that suggests supporters would do so > online. Wrong response Richard, it was Han who made the point that those in support of the new system should voice their support on list. Having pointed that out I must say that I agree with him, then at least there can be no missunderstandings about the support for or against this new system. From what I remember the trend on-list is slightly against the change. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Matan" To: Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed > I'm afraid this isn't a popularity contest. If there are serious problems > that list members encounter with the new setup, of course I'd be open to > changing it back. I'd go for the on-list vote to be carried out by a certain date (Gunther). Then we will get a clear picture of what the majority of the list members think. > In addition, if important tour information is posted mistakenly to one > person (although one would suspect that information might normally be > placed in an entirely new message, and not necessarily as a response to > someone else, in which case it would go directly to the list since it'd > have to be hand-addressed) that that person would forward it to the list. > I'm sure that the excitement of getting that news out would ensure that it > would get to the list one way or another. (If this is instead some sort > of veiled threat, I would instead be working on the assumption that better > natures would prevail.) Would Colleen care to clarify her comments about threats. So far I found that nobody has made any (on-list) and I do find this to be a rather strange form of reply to a fairly made point. Cheers, Tom. You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:30:51 -0000 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Single March 18th - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Han Snijders" To: ; Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Ferry Single March 18th > > I think we may find that It's All Over Now Baby Blue is to be a mainland > > Europe single and UK will have a different song as a single with the same > > extra tracks on the CD single but released at a later date. I hope to > confirm > > that soon with a catalogue number so that advance ordering will be easier. > > > > Regards > > John O'Brien > > Any idea what's the strategy behind this? > > Han Well Han it could be seen as a good way to getting folk like ourselves to buy two copies of a single that otherwise has a fairly small market. Then again it could also be that the UK side of the record company have decided that you don't want to launch a new album with a mediocre Dylan cover. Cheers, Tom. You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:28:18 +1100 From: "Gunther Wandtke" Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed. > And is Reply All such a hardship? - you couldn't get it to > do that the other way around before, it was more of a pain cutting and > pasting the private email address (for me anyway). > From the list rules, sent out to any new subscriber: 3) Check your headers before you send a message to the list. Mail goes to avalon@smoe.org Do not have a Cc line or To anyone else. If you do, the list will send out your posts to members of the list, while your own system sends the post to the list and to the additional people listed in the CC and TO lines. So if your message is To the list and person X, and CC person X, the result will be that person X will receive three copies of your post and will then write to the list complain= ing that they are getting duplicates. Please avoid doing that. Thanks for the tip with the Reply All, it would be the fastest way to handle the new arrangement, but the correct way to do it, according to the list rules, would be to also delete the corecipients from the address window. And that is one unnecessary step everytime I want to post to the list. Anyway, there have been a few voices now in favour of the new arrangemants, but no matter how logical they sound, I think it should still be a majority decision of Avalon members, and so far a majority has rather rejected the new arrangements. Is there any real reason to not hold a poll? Gunter ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 05:14:08 EST From: OBrienFerry@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] Frantic Videos In a message dated Mon, 4 Mar 2002 5:08:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Simon Galloway" writes: > Would Felicity Kendal be in the video? :-) > > SimonG > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon There are no plans for any promo videos as yet for any of the singles from Frantic J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:04:59 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic Videos But if there were I'm sure Felicity would be available... I'm due to be working with her soon, I'll ask her! SimonG >>> 03/04 10:14 am >>> In a message dated Mon, 4 Mar 2002 5:08:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Simon Galloway" writes: > Would Felicity Kendal be in the video? :-) > > SimonG > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon There are no plans for any promo videos as yet for any of the singles from Frantic J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 07:26:08 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic or Alphaville On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, PeteK wrote: > classic in my mind. Bryan's singing is superb on One way Love. I still Woohoo! Two of us who like One Way Love! Take that, Mr. Reece. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 07:46:55 -0500 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Admin reply-to stuff Fortunately, I suppose that getting the digest means my reply-to is still the list and not an individual, but I have to agree with the others that this reply-to change was not necessary, and it hasn't accomplished much other than irritation. - --Grant _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:56:13 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Admin reply-to stuff >>> "Grant Goggans" 03/04 12:46 pm >>> > it hasn't accomplished much other than irritation. I think there's a cream for that now. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 08:08:46 -0500 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fwd: Reply to options >Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 04:01:51 EST >From: Chandla911@AOL.COM >Subject: [AVALON] Fwd: Reply to options (...) >Yes, it's a discussion list, but there's no real problem in deciding who to >reply to before pressing 'Send', is there? Unfortunately, my impression is >that the people who tend to press send without thinking are the same ones >who >don't bother to cut out the vast majority of the mail that has no >connection >with the response they are sending. For digest users, this is one real >pain. I would agree that pressing send without checking shows a lack of a courtesy, and agree that it can be equated to the people who don't trim their responses to what was relevant. I don't, however, agree that these are any more than mild irritants at worst. I mean, oh, dear, us digest users have to hit page down a couple of times -- that's hardly the end of the world. Someone replies one of my B+P offers to the list. Everyone calls him a dope and hits delete. "Mild irritation" doesn't equal "broken." So it wasn't broken, and therefore didn't require fixing. - --Grant _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:21:55 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed. On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Gunther Wandtke wrote: > Thanks for the tip with the Reply All, it would be the fastest way to handle > the new arrangement, but the correct way to do it, according to the list > rules, would be to also delete the corecipients from the address window. And > that is one unnecessary step everytime I want to post to the list. > Anyway, there have been a few voices now in favour of the new arrangemants, > but no matter how logical they sound, I think it should still be a majority > decision of Avalon members, and so far a majority has rather rejected the > new arrangements. > Is there any real reason to not hold a poll? Yes. This change is not a popularity contest. It is an administrative decision designed to cut down on bounced emails, hurt feelings, flamewars, and the like, based on my experience with other lists and consultation with other listowners who use the same setup. If Avalon members have serious documented problems with this change I of course would like to receive such reports and will work with them to solve any problems. In addition, the old rules that you quote are naturally going to reflect the old set-up. The old rules have not been altered as new list guidelines have been drafted and are under review by fellow Avalonians. If there are additional folks would like to be part of this process, I repeat my list-wide invitation for volunteers to write me offlist to be added to this group. Thanks. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 09:22:29 EST From: CoconutTears@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed Han wrote: >And to that 50 % that reply straight to Colleen with their support for >this > >strange decision: If you want to support Colleen really, do it on the >list. Count me as in favor of the decision. Even a normally careful person can make a mistake. The extra minute of copying and pasting is a small price to pay for a less-cluttered list which causes embarrassment to no one. Karen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 08:24:04 -0600 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic or Alphaville >From: Colleen Matan >On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, PeteK wrote: > > > classic in my mind. Bryan's singing is superb on One way Love. I still > >Woohoo! Two of us who like One Way Love! Take that, Mr. Reece. Make that three. Judy _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:28:49 +0000 From: Bahi Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic or Alphaville >Make that three. Four. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 09:44:37 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed I belong to nine Internet mailing lists. Here's how they broke down on this issue before Colleen made the change to Avalon: REPLY TO LIST Audities (power pop) Avalon (pre-change) Richard Thompson Strat-o-Matic (stat-based baseball sim) REPLY TO SENDER Fegmaniax idealcopy (Wire, my list) Jazz Butcher Conspiracy Loud-Fans (Game Theory/Loud Family) RC Soup (Jason and the Scorchers) There's little question in my mind that the first four are far more contentious and mean-spirited than the latter five. The "reply-to-sender" lists have all had their moments of crankiness, to be sure, but there's a feel of community and friendship about them that always ends up prevailing. There is no doubt in my mind that a lot of unnecessary strife results from having "reply-to" set to the list. And honest to goodness, in most e-mail applications, all you'll have to do to send mail to the list is choose "reply to all" instead of "reply." We had this discussion on Loud-Fans once, when a person asked why "reply to" wasn't set to the list -- remember, it's a list that's set up as Avalon is now, with "reply-to" set to the sender -- and my friend Jeffrey Norman summed up the pros and cons succinctly: >REPLY TO LIST: > > >++ ease of use, saves time editing >-- risks sending personal e-mails to list, may make personal response >more difficult > > >REPLY TO SENDER: > > >++ prevents embarrassment of above risks, encourages senders to take >care re whom they send to >-- takes more time to send to list w/o editing, encourages double >replies to senders of replied-to messages > > >The benefit of Reply-To-List seems exactly symmetrical with the disadvantages >of Reply-To-Sender. But to me, the risk of Reply-To-List is way worse than >the risk of Reply-To-Sender. > > >Some of the folks in this discussion probably weren't here when some folks >were pretty upset by messages sent to the list that were intended only for >a single person. I was - and I don't really want to see the list go >through that sort of thing again. > > >Given that the effort of *writing* a message is always greater than the >effort of editing the headers, I'm really not sure why all the clamor for >this simplification. Is it that hard? (And yeah, I know: how hard is it to >delete duplicate messages either...not very, but that's not the main >point.) I couldn't have put it better. However, that won't stop me from elaborating. :-) Reply-to-list means at best that the entire list gets trade lists and chirpy gossipy personal e-mails that were meant for private mail, and at worst that the entire list sees slanderous personal attacks and snide insults that only encourage more of the same. While there are some personalities here that probably thrive on this sort of voyeurism, I see it as one of the things that has made Avalon a fractious and unpleasant land. If this change encourages putting a modicum of thought into the process before someone sends a message to 400 other people, I'm all for it. If a shared objective of the list is to make it more on-topic and more civil, I think this change is good for all of us. Why not give it a month or two and see how you feel about it then? later, Miles ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:15:29 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed Oh let me tell you, I just spent all of three seconds and five keystrokes to ensure that this email is sent to Avalon List only! Oh Boy, was that damned inconvenient! This is a non issue. The list administrator has every right to autonomously make this kind of decision! Big change - you don't like change? - get with the program, consider your response, then be sure you send your considered response to the correct entity - geez, if people hadn't adapted to all the changes in their lifetime you'd be grinding your own wheat and building the fire to bake the bread. Wow. My fingers are really sore from five tiny little keystrokes and my brain hurts from the fact that I have to remember to verify that the address I wish to send my email to is in the 'send to' box. God. Do you think things could be anymore difficult! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:09:52 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [AVALON] Admin note: "Reply-To:" function changed At 01:21 PM 3/3/2002 +0000, Chris Turner wrote: >I'm sure I can't be the only person who thinks that this 'reply-to' >amendment is an irritating and unecessary change. Surely most people will >want to respond to messages on list, and not individually to the sender? >Indeed, that's the nature of an online discussion group, no? I think we're seeing a difference in how people use the list. Personally, I do most of my responding to Avalon posts OFF-list -- probably fewer than half of my replies go to the Avalonian public. Again, let's give it a while and see what folks think of it then. later, Miles ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:12:09 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bounce prevention At 04:17 PM 3/3/2002 -0500, jason and jill wrote: >On the subject of bounces, there is one other word that is a basic >majordomo command and needs to be avoided in the first >five lines of posts, and it unfortunatenly is one that people don't >think of as a command. That word is spelled H-E-L-P. :) I'd forgotten that one. Thanks, Jason! looking forward to non-bounced discussion of "H-E-L-P Me," Miles ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:23:45 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bounce prevention On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Miles Goosens wrote: > At 04:17 PM 3/3/2002 -0500, jason and jill wrote: > >On the subject of bounces, there is one other word that is a basic > >majordomo command and needs to be avoided in the first > >five lines of posts, and it unfortunatenly is one that people don't > >think of as a command. That word is spelled H-E-L-P. :) > > I'd forgotten that one. Thanks, Jason! > > looking forward to non-bounced discussion of > "H-E-L-P Me," ahahahaha! So no wonder that song had virtually no discussion! Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 10:27:19 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed. At 10:28 PM 3/4/2002 +1100, Gunther Wandtke wrote: >> And is Reply All such a hardship? - you couldn't get it to >> do that the other way around before, it was more of a pain cutting and >> pasting the private email address (for me anyway). >> >From the list rules, sent out to any new subscriber: > >3) Check your headers before you send a message to the list. >Mail goes to avalon@smoe.org Do not have a Cc line or >To anyone else. If you do, the list will send out your posts to members of >the >list, while your own system sends the post to the list and to the >additional people listed in the CC and TO lines. So if your message is To >the >list and person X, and CC person X, the result will be that person X will >receive three copies of your post and will then write to the list complain= >ing that they are getting duplicates. Please avoid doing that. Colleen hasn't had time to change the list welcome message yet, and in fact, a new draft of the list welcome message is well underway that, among other things, will alter this paragraph. However, the *gist* of this paragraph looks like it has to do with a "reply-to-sender" setup issue! As most of you know, if you chose "reply to all" via the old setup, "avalon@smoe.org" would be in the recipient list twice -- the original sender didn't appear anywhere at all! So the rule really seems to be about a situation that didn't exist under the old setup unless the person took the extraordinary step of adding the original sender's e-mail back in... later, Miles ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:47:44 -0000 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Matan" To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed. > Yes. This change is not a popularity contest. It is an administrative > decision designed to cut down on bounced emails, hurt feelings, flamewars, > and the like, based on my experience with other lists and consultation > with other listowners who use the same setup. If Avalon members have > serious documented problems with this change I of course would like to > receive such reports and will work with them to solve any problems. I may be mistaken, but this sounds like you're saying that unless there is a technical problem that arrises from this change you will not be changing it back no matter what anyone on-list thinks. > The old rules have not been altered as new list > guidelines have been drafted and are under review by fellow Avalonians. > If there are additional folks would like to be part of this process, I > repeat my list-wide invitation for volunteers to write me offlist to be > added to this group. Shouldn't these new guidelines be put to the list as a whole for review and an agrrement taken on their content. I would quite happily as a member of this list take part in this review as no doubt will many others so I look forward to receiving your draft for review. It may well be that had the "Reply-To:" function change been put to the list from the start along with the pro's and con's of the change that it would have been accepted. I can't speak for anybody else, but I get an uneasy feeling about decisions being taken by an unidentified group within the list. Basically I'm for keeping decisions about the list being made on the list. Best wishes, Tom. You can also contact me at: TomWallace@vivaroxymusic.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:58:25 -0500 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] Unofficial Roxy artwork Here is a URL that collectors and traders might wish to bookmark. It's a slowly growing collection of unofficial CD sleeves. http://members.fortunecity.com/roxyart/ No ownership implied; these are just purty pictures. If anyone would like to add to this collection, e-mail jpg copies to me at this address: gmslegion@yahoo.com --NOT the hotmail address in the reply-to field-- and I will pass them along to be uploaded in the future. Taking images from this site and using them on home-brewed CDs is fine; subsequently selling them is not. Using these images for profit warrants a visit from the Decency Police. One other thing, while I'm on the subject: (Read as shouting:) 72 dpi images were invented by Satan. Scan images at a minimum of 150 dpi!! - --Grant "Ifwejussshticktogevvuh, wecanmakeadiffrnc. Fank you!" -- Paul Weller _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:36:33 -0600 From: "paula brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Unofficial Roxy artwork That was fun, Grant! Purty pictures indeed. Paula - ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Goggans Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 11:03 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Unofficial Roxy artwork Here is a URL that collectors and traders might wish to bookmark. It's a slowly growing collection of unofficial CD sleeves. http://members.fortunecity.com/roxyart/ No ownership implied; these are just purty pictures. If anyone would like to add to this collection, e-mail jpg copies to me at this address: gmslegion@yahoo.com --NOT the hotmail address in the reply-to field-- and I will pass them along to be uploaded in the future. Taking images from this site and using them on home-brewed CDs is fine; subsequently selling them is not. Using these images for profit warrants a visit from the Decency Police. One other thing, while I'm on the subject: (Read as shouting:) 72 dpi images were invented by Satan. Scan images at a minimum of 150 dpi!! - --Grant "Ifwejussshticktogevvuh, wecanmakeadiffrnc. Fank you!" -- Paul Weller _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:45:40 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed. On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, thom.wallace wrote: > Shouldn't these new guidelines be put to the list as a whole for review > and an agrrement taken on their content. I would quite happily as a > member of this list take part in this review as no doubt will many > others so I look forward to receiving your draft for review. It may well > be that had the "Reply-To:" function change been put to the list from > the start along with the pro's and con's of the change that it would > have been accepted. I can't speak for anybody else, but I get an uneasy > feeling about decisions being taken by an unidentified group within the > list. Basically I'm for keeping decisions about the list being made on > the list. Ooooooh, Thom, if you only had idea of the decisions this "unidentified" group within the list will be making in the near future, you can't imagine how "uneasy" you should be feeling. Not only are we going to have a secret handshake and wear funny hats, but we're also about to draw up a list of random words which will automatically boot people off the list, change the posting mechanism so that you have to solve an algebra problem before one can send a post to the list, and also check folks' bank accounts before they're allowed to join the list. Not to mention the fact that this secret group is also thinking verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry seriously about making Esperanto the official list language. Actually, there's no secret cabal. I've been saying for a week now that I'm happy to take input on the guidelines, and it's not like it's hard for interested parties to track me down. The reason I set up a separate mailing list for that discussion since I doubt most of the list is interested in this topic. Everyone who has asked to be subscribed has been subscribed (off the top of my head the group includes: Reecey, Jocelyn, JO'B, John Dillon, KBP, Andy Cooper, Grant, Judy Kaufman, Gene, David Squires, and I'm sure I'm missing a few folks). Everyone who is interested is welcome. And there's nothing suspicious about working groups like this being taken off-line so as not to perpetuate off-topic threads. Thom, I'll be happy to sign you (and the rest of the folks who have indicated interest in this project) up for that list and forward the guidelines to you when I return to my home and this evening. Colleen "It's no secret what everybody knows"--Neil Young ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:55:22 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed. There is a compromise situation. Leaving the 'Reply-To' blank would mean that pressing reply would evoke an instance of the email client, but would leave the reply address blank. This would avoid misdirected posts altogether, as the author of the reply would have to think about the destination of the reply without having an enforced default which is inappropriate for many users. Indeed as I type the letters 'a-v' into my email client Outlook Express fills in the rest of avalon@smoe.org for me. Easy Smoe could also reduce it's number of bounced posts significantly if it were to address the number of dead e-mail addresses on the list, which I conservatively estimate at 50+ and have mentioned here on numerous occasions. Finally, may I make a third request (the previous two having regrettably been ignored by smoe) that the list's homepage at www.roxytalk.co.uk be added to the 'Mailing List' page at http://www.smoe.org/lists/ Avalon is virtually the only mailing list which lacks a link to its home page. A year ago I wrote a series of scripts for the site which automate the subscr*ibe and unsubscr*be functions for this list, after the list manager complained in this forum of the number of bounce errors received when joining the list. As the first page most potential subsc*bers currently see is a techno-dense FAQ, I belive this more 'human' portal is more welcoming, and will provide fewer errors, although I would welcome any suggestions on improvements. These are practical solutions to some of the list's problems. Let's use the technology to make everyone's (the list manager and more inportantly the users') life easier. Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Matan" To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function changed. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 13:05:39 -0500 From: Heather James Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Reply-To:" function charged. Ah, the TRUE will out - the Fabulous Firmin Freak Brothers "Fez" nickname for Bryan Ferry is finally explained! Ah, knew I shouldn't have had that caffeined soda for lunch ... Hey - the list works, its not that hard to write emails, its nearly 2 days into it and folks are talking ... get OVER it and lets get back to the Frantic bashing ... so where CAN we buy a copy of this puppy - I want to hear it NOW! -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com The Roxy Music Archives: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ My Music Trading Lists: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-boots.html Roxy Music Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/roxy-boots.html Van Morrison Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-van.html >-----------------------------------------------------------------------< Colleen Matan wrote: > > Ooooooh, Thom, if you only had idea of the decisions this "unidentified" > group within the list will be making in the near future, you can't imagine > how "uneasy" you should be feeling. Not only are we going to have a > secret handshake and wear funny hats, but we're also about to draw up a > list of random words which will automatically boot people off the list, > change the posting mechanism so that you have to solve an algebra problem > before one can send a post to the list, and also check folks' bank > accounts before they're allowed to join the list. Not to mention the fact > that this secret group is also thinking verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry seriously about > making Esperanto the official list language. > > > Colleen > "It's no secret what everybody knows"--Neil Young > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > - -- ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #82 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest