From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #77 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, March 1 2002 Volume 07 : Number 077 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Speddings Womble history ["Chris Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Irreplaceable? ["N. S. Koff" ] Re: [AVALON] Hat eating time. [Miles Goosens ] Re: [AVALON] Hat eating time. [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Irreplaceable? ["Tim Kendrick" ] [AVALON] O T.. sorry .. but I can't help it ["Bill " ] [AVALON] More music industry woes. ["Grant Goggans" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Speddings Womble history Uncle Bulgaria is the patriarch of the family, the old one with the pinc nez, the cloak and the tartan cap Spedding was Wellington, if you know your Wombles. And they were no flash in the pan...In 1974 the Wombles spent 65 weeks in the UK charts, more than any other act...you know? 1974? not The Sweet...not Queen...not David Bowie...not even Roxy Music...the Wombles! A bunch of geezers in animal costumes...ain't Britain geat! Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" To: Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Speddings Womble history > Also, for those of us in the US whose only acquaintance with The Wombles is > via Alice on Vicar Of Dibley, which one is Uncle Bulgaria? > > At 08:03 AM 3/1/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >Is that him with the Flying-V or a stand-in? > > > >See link: > >http://www.mikebatt.de/Discographie/Wombles/womblgroup.jpg > > > > > >Thanks, > >David > > > > > >on 3/1/02 7:36 AM, Fiske, Jocelyn at Jocelyn.Fiske@greyeu.com wrote: > > > > > Surely you remember he's a Womble (all together now!) > > > > > > Even appeared on TOTP in a Womble suit, honestly. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: KWil632057@aol.com [mailto:KWil632057@aol.com] > > > Sent: 01 March 2002 15:41 > > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Speddings Womble history > > > > > > > > > Is it true that Chris Spedding was once a Womble? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jonathan > > > > > > > > > > > > n/p Isabella Blow 'You Can Leave Your Hat on' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > The subliminable footer says: > > > > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > The subliminable footer says: > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >The subliminable footer says: > >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > >unsubscribe avalon > > Cheers, > David > > CPL593H! > - Bryan Ferry, 1972 > > Check out my website- Shakatak, Fashion, Peter Godwin, Atlanta Bands, > Chandler, Hamlet, > lots of cool stuff! > http://www.America.net/~davdmock > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 13:59:54 -0500 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Irreplaceable? >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:09:12 -0800 >From: "N. S. Koff" >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Concord 2001 >Thanks, once again, to the irreplaceable Grant... You wouldn't be so quick to call me irreplaceable if you only knew the Nestene Consciousness replaced the "real" Grant several months ago. I'm actually an Auton duplicate Grant, and those precious CDs I've been sending you foolish Avalonians will, at a prearranged signal, leap from their cases and stick to your faces. The problem with all our previous invasions of Earth is that we stuck to that small island north of the European continent. While Doctor Who is battling CyberSimonG and his robot hordes on that small bit of real estate, the Nestenes have conquered the world via the Internet. Not even Lee Sullivan can draw you out of this mess. You belong to us. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 11:08:18 -0800 From: "N. S. Koff" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Irreplaceable? At 10:59 AM 3/1/02, you wrote: >>------------------------------ >> >>Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:09:12 -0800 >>From: "N. S. Koff" >>Subject: Re: [AVALON] Concord 2001 > >>Thanks, once again, to the irreplaceable Grant... > >You wouldn't be so quick to call me irreplaceable if you only knew the >Nestene Consciousness replaced the "real" Grant several months ago. I'm >actually an Auton duplicate Grant, and those precious CDs I've been >sending you foolish Avalonians will, at a prearranged signal, leap from >their cases and stick to your faces. > >The problem with all our previous invasions of Earth is that we stuck to >that small island north of the European continent. While Doctor Who is >battling CyberSimonG and his robot hordes on that small bit of real >estate, the Nestenes have conquered the world via the Internet. > >Not even Lee Sullivan can draw you out of this mess. > >You belong to us. You think you can fit all of that into 9 frames over the span of a dozen pages or so? Warmest regards, Nick N/P: BF / Glasgow, 10/25/94 Roxy Trade Page: http://www.boootlegs.com/roxy.htm Roxy Trade Page - Text Only: http://www.boootlegs.com/bootxt04.htm Other Trade Stuff: http://www.boootlegs.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 13:17:52 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hat eating time. Grant wrote: >Solo Bryan Ferry albums have not tended to feature women on the front >sleeve, only the interiors or back covers -- Boys and Girls the exception. >I wasn't expecting any on this one. I've always thought B&G had a woman on the front sleeve because it came after the second demise of Roxy Music, and thus Ferry was thinking of B&G as a continuation of his main career. TFT, ATAP, LST were definitely side projects, albeit fascinating ones (I'm not sure where IYM and BRIDE fit, since they were in the limbo between versions of Roxy). With Roxy Music looking gone for good, it's not surprising that Ferry put a woman front and center, since B&G was the next step in his artistic journey. To me, the more surprising thing is that Ferry didn't continue doing this. Maybe he decided that his next solo albums were more personal statements where his own visage would be more fitting, or maybe his marketing people said "you need *your* mug on the cover so we can promote you," or both. Doesn't explain MAMOUNA, though. Maybe it's a horse thing we don't want to understand. :-) later, Miles, who really doesn't have much of an opinion one way or the other about FRANTIC's cover ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:39:21 -0500 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Why not weed??? >Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:47:40 +1100 >From: "Dixon's Blackburn" >Subject: [AVALON] Why not weed??? - PLEASE READ! (hey, that rhymes!) > >Sorry to butt in here guys, but I'm wondering if weeding recordings is the >answer here. Weeding is a way to distribute music quickly and effectively >amongst a large number of people, and is used extensively on a number of >Yahoo groups that I belong to such as Prog-CDR, FloydLive, Yesswap etc etc. Weeding sounds like a very decent idea indeed, and reminds me that I need to get around to applying to join Prog-CDR one of these days, since it seems y'all have enormous fun. The one problem, as you've touched on, is this one: >This idea obviously depends on the honesty of everyone involved, especially >in the early stages of the weed, but the benefits are that the discs >eventually get to everyone who wants them... Bluntly, I question whether a mailgroup designed for discussion and not trading is really capable of doing this on any scale at all. I wouldn't say that if I didn't have a lot of first-hand experience in the last several months with it. Frequently, I've done a 6-person B+P offer, with the rule that half the takers must continue to tree/weed/B+P/throw copies at passing cars or whatever, but sadly a notable percentage of the people who tell me they will continue to share it end up either not sharing it at all, or doing it somewhere more local or discreet than Avalon so I never see it. (Which means that those of you cool dudes and dudettes who are passing the music along are that much cooler, pat yourselves on the back.) Now, I'd like to think nobody's deliberately claiming they'll tree in order to get a copy first, but treeing or weeding or whatever takes devotion. You have to want to do it, not be expected to. As an example, I lurk on the Sylvian mailing list and signed up to tree last fall's Utrecht show. Through no intentional fault, the CDs that six people at my level rec'd had an error. The sender took over a month to get a replacement out. Now, I'm the sort of person who would freak out and stay up all night fixing it, because when I commit to a tree or a trade I want it done right. But the sender -- great guy, don't mistake me -- had lots of other priorities. He got it done when he got it done. Then it never went further from me because one person said they got it from somebody else and the other never wrote me back. Can we expect any more from this list? We came here, after all, to *talk* about Roxy Music. I was stunned and delighted to subsequently learn that trading even existed. A group like Prog CD-R, you don't sign up unless you're intending to give and receive King Crimson stuff. Or, if you will, I would go to Prog CD-R because I want to collect. I come here to share, eat my hat and make stupid Doctor Who jokes when I've just had cake and ice cream and I'm on a sugar rush. Again, it's a nice idea, and lots of other traders and B+Pers have taken baby steps in that direction, but I personally would not be optimistic that it would work. - --Grant _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:42:51 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hat eating time. > Miles, > who really doesn't have much > of an opinion one way or the other > about FRANTIC's cover You don't have a strong opinion on the minutiae of Ferry/Roxydom and yet you have the audacity to call yourself an AvalOnion? Hrrumph. Who let these people in? Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:19:31 -0500 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Irreplaceable? >The problem with all our previous invasions of Earth is that we stuck to >that small island north of the European continent. While Doctor Who is >battling CyberSimonG and his robot hordes on that small bit of real estate, >the Nestenes have conquered the world via the Internet. Fortunately no intelligent people spend more than a few minutes a day on the internet, leaving it for the rest of the time to those twilight people, usually fat with beards, who fill up their empty lives surfing, surfing, surfing, between STAR TREK episode listings and porn sites. We on Avalon are safe from such saddoes, because fat people with beards rarely listen to Bryan Ferry (excepting, of course, the attractively fat) and have no interest in romantic sexual relations, instead fantasising about DR WHO girls in short skirts, with the bodies of twenty year olds and the minds of eight year olds - their ultimate sexual fantasies, God help them. Tim ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:51:56 -0600 From: "Bill " Subject: [AVALON] O T.. sorry .. but I can't help it I know there are admirers of THE BEATLES on the list and I was amazed by this news item I stumbled on while looking around for music news. No clue who Linda McCartney or Yoko Ono is? What planet has she been living on? Britney Doesn't Know Yoko You may wonder what the real Britney Spears is like. Or you may not. But in case you do, I now have something of a report. You could guess that a girl without much of a formal education is no rocket scientist. She's not going to know much about the history of civilization, world economics, or how to split an atom. What you might expect is that she'd know something in the category of pop music, enough to play Rock and Roll Jeopardy on VH-1. But here's some upsetting news. Brit was stymied on Tuesday night when presented with a pretty easy question. Here's what it was: "Who is Yoko Ono?" The question came up because this reporter was having a congenial talk with the members of 'N Sync and some of their parents at the J Records pre-Grammy dinner. The gang was sitting at a round table front and center in the Beverly Hills Hotel ballroom. Britney was sitting with the group, between Justin Timberlake and his mom. I asked Justin, as I had asked him about a year ago, whether 'N Sync identified more with the Beatles or Rolling Stones, and where that might leave their rivals, the Backstreet Boys. Timberlake replied, "Beatles! Beatles! Beatles!" Did that mean the Boys were the equivalent of the Stones, I wondered? "No, the Osmonds!" he laughed. But immediately following this happy exchange, I queried the couple: "Does this mean Britney is Yoko Ono?" Spears responded: "Who?' Her potential mother-in-law, Mrs. Timberlake, jumped right in and explained that Ono had been John Lennon's widow and broken up the Beatles. (This was strictly her opinion, this last modifier.) But Brit didn't know what anyone was talking about. To save her, I said: "You're probably more Linda McCartney. You know her name, don't you?" Spears again gave a question mark expression. "I'm sorry," she said in her rich Southern accent. "I'm very young." Justin's mom, ignoring this exchange on purpose, then told us a story. "You see, you have to know who Pete Best is." Best was the original drummer for the Beatles, replaced by Ringo Starr before the band became a sensation. "Lance only became a member of 'N Sync the day we signed our contracts, because the original bass singer quit. So we call him our Pete Best!" Granted, Spears has a great little body and has done much to show it off in her videos and concerts. So let's give her credit where credit is due. But a future member of the Rock Hall of Fame? Just as in her MTV diary, she showed no interest in music or in singing at the J Records bash. When most of the performers including Timberlake hit the stage for a final jam session, Spears avoided the chance to show off her vocal talents in front of the room and sat on her hands. Timberlake, however, jumped on stage, took the mike, and worked hard to show that he is more than a flash in the pan. He was impressive. Afterwards, I was told that he is hard at work on a solo album, which may be more than halfway completed. "It's going to be huge," said one music insider who's heard some of the results. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:59:01 +0100 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Why not weed??? - PLEASE READ! (hey, that rhymes!) > This idea obviously depends on the honesty of everyone involved A few remarks.. 1, It's an illusion to think that all people here are honest. 2. It takes a lot of time before the last one receives the disc, I bet most of the people have a busy live and take a week or two before they've sent them further. 3 How must a person figure out from which person you can get a disc, with so much distributors? 4 And last but not least the loss in quality. Not every reader/burner works always good and due to software problems you get little gaps between numbers even if you burn 'disc at once' that problem is getting worser after each copy. Only if you work with disc sent with wav-files you don't have that problem. Han ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:04:38 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [AVALON] bounced mail [was: Questions for Colleen] At 11:16 AM 2/28/2002 -0500, Colleen Matan wrote: >On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, [iso-8859-1] jeanne louise wrote: > >> What happens to bounced emails?Are they still floating >> around somewhere? A few of mine never appeared,so >> please Colleen,now that you are taking over,if you >> find them,get rid of them,they are not relevant anymore!JL. > >I only began getting the bounced emails on Monday? Tuesday? (it's been a >long week) when the majordomo settings were changed to use my email >address, so anything that had bounced before that is unavailable to me >(and most likely long gone). What Colleen says is true -- the bounces don't just end up in a queue somewhere waiting for someone to come by and empty them. They go to the listowner, which until early this week was Jason, so she and I have no access to them. If Jeanne or others believe that their as-yet-unseen posts are still relevant to the conversation, feel free to resend them. However, here are some tips to avoid bounces in the future: * Make sure that you're posting to the list from the address that's subscribed to Avalon. If your main, subscribed address is ferryfan@earthlink.net but you're picking up your mail at 1Aferryfan@hotmail.com, any post from the latter address is gonna bounce, because majordomo has no way of knowing that the unsubbed hotmail address is you. * Messages greater than 7000 characters will also automatically bounce. This is good anti-spam, anti-someone-quoted-the-entire-digest practice. If they're legit messages, they'll be approved and sent on to the list, but when your FRANTIC review creeps up toward 9k, you might think about breaking it into a number of smaller messages. * If a message has majordomo commands in its first five lines, such as "s*bscribe" and "uns*bscribe" (I mean those words with the omitted "u" included), it'll bounce. It's always safer to use a synonym or do the asterisk-y version of those words. Those are the most common things I see at idealcopy. If I can think of more, I'll share them with the group. Colleen and I will work toward making sure that mail that legitimately belongs on the list gets sent to the list, but these guidelines can make sure that your message goes through the first time. later, Miles ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:04:25 -0500 From: "dpl@metrocast.net" Subject: RE: Re: [AVALON] Re: Irreplaceable? > fat people with beards rarely listen to Bryan Ferry Hey, I resemble that remark! I'm sure there are plenty of rotund, hirsute folks besides myself who enjoy RM/BF et al. dpl - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 12:09:22 -0800 From: "R. Jackson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: death of a dog Thank you. She was always very special to us. - -Rob At 09:58 AM 3/1/2002 -0600, you wrote: >What a beatiful little family you have there! Seldom have I seen so much >personality evident in the face of a cat as your Chez. > >Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:27:57 -0500 From: "M" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Irreplaceable? > fat with beards, who fill up their empty lives surfing, surfing, surfing, > between > STAR TREK episode listings and porn sites. You better watch what you say about Trekkies! Admittedly, I'm more into Buffy and Angel now and haven't watched an ep of Enterprise. Oops. M, a Trekkie who ummmm actually was learning Klingon at one time.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A young New Yorker called M Was frequently seen with old men Described as fantastic She preferred lots of plastic Especially Barbie and Ken. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NP - Shabooh Shoobah by INXS ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:07:50 -0500 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] More music industry woes. If anyone else thinks it's cute the way the music industry keeps blaming file sharing for its doldrums, then the Nielsen numbers for the Grammy broadcast might generate a laugh... ======== The CBS telecast of the 44th annual Grammy Awards, notable for a lack of flash and controversy, hit a sour note with viewers as the music industry's biggest night drew its smallest TV audience in six years, ratings showed on Thursday. The 3 1/2-hour broadcast Wednesday night averaged just under 19 million viewers. Wednesday's showing marked the lowest average audience for the telecast since 17.3 million tuned in 1995. Michael Greene, President/CEO of the National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences, is expected to blame file sharing of MP3s of the Grammys for the low numbers. "We had four million fewer viewers this year than in 2001," a spokesman said, "and this was a fantastic broadcast featuring such exciting, relevant artists as Alicia Keys, OutKast, U2, and that India girl who doesn't understand how to use punctuation. Clearly this is due to young computer users downloading the acceptance speeches, and stealing money from our respected advertisers." When our correspondant noted that there weren't very many good records released in 2001, and that the academy nominated a lot of unlistenable shit for their awards, the spokesman replied "No comment." OK, I made the last two paragraphs up. The rest, however, is from Reuters. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:42:49 -0600 From: "paula brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] O T.. sorry .. but I can't help it I can't believe Britney doesn't know who Yoko is since she's (arguably) the only recorded female artist with a worse voice than Britney's. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 1:57 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] O T.. sorry .. but I can't help it I know there are admirers of THE BEATLES on the list and I was amazed by this news item I stumbled on while looking around for music news. No clue who Linda McCartney or Yoko Ono is? What planet has she been living on? Britney Doesn't Know Yoko You may wonder what the real Britney Spears is like. Or you may not. But in case you do, I now have something of a report. You could guess that a girl without much of a formal education is no rocket scientist. She's not going to know much about the history of civilization, world economics, or how to split an atom. What you might expect is that she'd know something in the category of pop music, enough to play Rock and Roll Jeopardy on VH-1. But here's some upsetting news. Brit was stymied on Tuesday night when presented with a pretty easy question. Here's what it was: "Who is Yoko Ono?" The question came up because this reporter was having a congenial talk with the members of 'N Sync and some of their parents at the J Records pre-Grammy dinner. The gang was sitting at a round table front and center in the Beverly Hills Hotel ballroom. Britney was sitting with the group, between Justin Timberlake and his mom. I asked Justin, as I had asked him about a year ago, whether 'N Sync identified more with the Beatles or Rolling Stones, and where that might leave their rivals, the Backstreet Boys. Timberlake replied, "Beatles! Beatles! Beatles!" Did that mean the Boys were the equivalent of the Stones, I wondered? "No, the Osmonds!" he laughed. But immediately following this happy exchange, I queried the couple: "Does this mean Britney is Yoko Ono?" Spears responded: "Who?' Her potential mother-in-law, Mrs. Timberlake, jumped right in and explained that Ono had been John Lennon's widow and broken up the Beatles. (This was strictly her opinion, this last modifier.) But Brit didn't know what anyone was talking about. To save her, I said: "You're probably more Linda McCartney. You know her name, don't you?" Spears again gave a question mark expression. "I'm sorry," she said in her rich Southern accent. "I'm very young." Justin's mom, ignoring this exchange on purpose, then told us a story. "You see, you have to know who Pete Best is." Best was the original drummer for the Beatles, replaced by Ringo Starr before the band became a sensation. "Lance only became a member of 'N Sync the day we signed our contracts, because the original bass singer quit. So we call him our Pete Best!" Granted, Spears has a great little body and has done much to show it off in her videos and concerts. So let's give her credit where credit is due. But a future member of the Rock Hall of Fame? Just as in her MTV diary, she showed no interest in music or in singing at the J Records bash. When most of the performers including Timberlake hit the stage for a final jam session, Spears avoided the chance to show off her vocal talents in front of the room and sat on her hands. Timberlake, however, jumped on stage, took the mike, and worked hard to show that he is more than a flash in the pan. He was impressive. Afterwards, I was told that he is hard at work on a solo album, which may be more than halfway completed. "It's going to be huge," said one music insider who's heard some of the results. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:54:46 -0600 From: "Bill " Subject: RE: [AVALON] O T.. sorry .. but I can't help it I love this response... - -----Original Message----- I can't believe Britney doesn't know who Yoko is since she's (arguably) the only recorded female artist with a worse voice than Britney's. - ----- Original Message ----- I know there are admirers of THE BEATLES on the list and I was amazed by this news item I stumbled on while looking around for music news. No clue who Linda McCartney or Yoko Ono is? What planet has she been living on? Britney Doesn't Know Yoko You may wonder what the real Britney Spears is like. Or you may not. But in case you do, I now have something of a report. You could guess that a girl without much of a formal education is no rocket scientist. She's not going to know much about the history of civilization, world economics, or how to split an atom. What you might expect is that she'd know something in the category of pop music, enough to play Rock and Roll Jeopardy on VH-1. But here's some upsetting news. Brit was stymied on Tuesday night when presented with a pretty easy question. Here's what it was: "Who is Yoko Ono?" The question came up because this reporter was having a congenial talk with the members of 'N Sync and some of their parents at the J Records pre-Grammy dinner. The gang was sitting at a round table front and center in the Beverly Hills Hotel ballroom. Britney was sitting with the group, between Justin Timberlake and his mom. I asked Justin, as I had asked him about a year ago, whether 'N Sync identified more with the Beatles or Rolling Stones, and where that might leave their rivals, the Backstreet Boys. Timberlake replied, "Beatles! Beatles! Beatles!" Did that mean the Boys were the equivalent of the Stones, I wondered? "No, the Osmonds!" he laughed. But immediately following this happy exchange, I queried the couple: "Does this mean Britney is Yoko Ono?" Spears responded: "Who?' Her potential mother-in-law, Mrs. Timberlake, jumped right in and explained that Ono had been John Lennon's widow and broken up the Beatles. (This was strictly her opinion, this last modifier.) But Brit didn't know what anyone was talking about. To save her, I said: "You're probably more Linda McCartney. You know her name, don't you?" Spears again gave a question mark expression. "I'm sorry," she said in her rich Southern accent. "I'm very young." Justin's mom, ignoring this exchange on purpose, then told us a story. "You see, you have to know who Pete Best is." Best was the original drummer for the Beatles, replaced by Ringo Starr before the band became a sensation. "Lance only became a member of 'N Sync the day we signed our contracts, because the original bass singer quit. So we call him our Pete Best!" Granted, Spears has a great little body and has done much to show it off in her videos and concerts. So let's give her credit where credit is due. But a future member of the Rock Hall of Fame? Just as in her MTV diary, she showed no interest in music or in singing at the J Records bash. When most of the performers including Timberlake hit the stage for a final jam session, Spears avoided the chance to show off her vocal talents in front of the room and sat on her hands. Timberlake, however, jumped on stage, took the mike, and worked hard to show that he is more than a flash in the pan. He was impressive. Afterwards, I was told that he is hard at work on a solo album, which may be more than halfway completed. "It's going to be huge," said one music insider who's heard some of the results. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 17:34:36 -0600 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Why not weed??? - PLEASE READ! (hey, that rhymes!) Han questioned - >3 How must a person figure out from which person you can get a disc, with >so much distributors? Generally there is a pre-distribution sign up. A web page will be created showing the full distribution. This allows for trades to be set up or for B&P to be sent to one's branch even before they receive the set. Theoretically, this makes for a shorter turn around. In my limited experience, I've only had one branch that took 9 months to send my set. The discs I finally got were fine. If the branch had just kept in touch explaining the delays there would have been much less anxiety for me. Communication is one of the most important aspects of tree-ing. >4 And last but not least the loss in quality. Not every reader/burner works >always good and due to software problems you get little gaps between >numbers even if you burn 'disc at once' that problem is getting worser >after >each copy. Only if you work with disc sent with wav-files you don't have >that problem. The branch receiving the set should rip as wav files, listen before burning and at least do spot checks after burning. Disc-to-disc is a no-no. Even so, errors can occur if the computer is not optimized for burning - running scan disc and defrag should be done before ripping. I know there's a lot more to it than that, but my husband maintains our computer so, luckily, it's always done for me. Regards, Judy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:23:18 -0800 From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] weeding out the tree, starring orson welles daniel wrote: >Yes but Orson Welles did not direct all of them, and I do not care for >'lady from shanghai'. 'touch of evil' was only completed vy Wells, then >re-cut. I have not seen the restored version. OK. 'lady from shanghai' wasn't 'citizen kane' ... it had its moments and scenes. i appreciate what you're saying, though i wasn't really thinking of him having directed the films i listed, but maybe i should have. anyway, 'san simeon' sounds like the darker path we've seen ferry take before - in songwriting, that is. i like. _______________________________________________________________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <-----Original Message-----> >From: Grant Goggans >Weeding sounds like a very decent idea indeed [cut] >The one problem, as you've touched on, is this one: >>This idea obviously depends on the honesty of everyone involved, especially >>in the early stages of the weed, but the benefits are that the discs >>eventually get to everyone who wants them... well, i can offer my services, such as they are. in that i've got a new computer with a burner. and yes, the only software it has is "that roxio junk". however, i'm willing to be schooled in the finer points of burning. not that i want to make a career out of it ... and if it were to get to -?- 40 people responding or somesuch nonsense -- well, then - i don't know any of you from adam. i can tell you that if i would say that i was going to offer a disc sent to me, then i would follow through. i realize that 'avalon' is first and foremost a discussion group about all things ferry & roxy, etc. i would personally have it no other way. however, i think if we can truly keep the 'b & p' e-mails as close to zero as possible, this could work. i mean, avalon didn't just start trees within the last six months or something. but now it seems we have a few more people, owning a lot of the same things that maybe others on the list before were not willing to 'share' (however you want to define that word ...). weeding, though - the word - doesn't seem quite something i can handle mentally, emotionally as a term for disc distribution involving roxy/ferry content. it just seems _wrong_. the idea, however, overall sounds great. so, maybe if we had a constant number of people willing to do this - or even a couple sets who would be willing to alternate (?). these are my fantastic ideas at the moment. and, remember - einstein said that imagination is more important than knowledge ... peaces/ms ***************************************************************** Women! I have no idea. I don't know anything about women at all. They're a complete mystery to me. - - Bryan Ferry ***************************************************************** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:33:17 -0500 From: Subject: Re: [AVALON] weeding out the tree, starring orson welles Shhh Shhhh Sorry...just a moment. Mark is abouot to say something. john - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark shanahan" To: Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: [AVALON] weeding out the tree, starring orson welles > daniel wrote: > >Yes but Orson Welles did not direct all of them, and I do not care for > >'lady from shanghai'. 'touch of evil' was only completed vy Wells, then > >re-cut. I have not seen the restored version. > > OK. 'lady from shanghai' wasn't 'citizen kane' ... it had its moments > and scenes. i appreciate what you're saying, though i wasn't really > thinking of him having directed the films i listed, but maybe i should > have. anyway, 'san simeon' sounds like the darker path we've seen ferry > take before - in songwriting, that is. i like. > _______________________________________________________________ > Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at > http://www.mail2world.com > > <-----Original Message-----> > >From: Grant Goggans > >Weeding sounds like a very decent idea indeed [cut] > > >The one problem, as you've touched on, is this one: > > >>This idea obviously depends on the honesty of everyone involved, > especially > >>in the early stages of the weed, but the benefits are that the discs > >>eventually get to everyone who wants them... > > well, i can offer my services, such as they are. in that i've got a new > computer with a burner. and yes, the only software it has is "that roxio > junk". however, i'm willing to be schooled in the finer points of > burning. not that i want to make a career out of it ... and if it were > to get to -?- 40 people responding or somesuch nonsense -- well, then - > i don't know any of you from adam. i can tell you that if i would say > that i was going to offer a disc sent to me, then i would follow > through. > > i realize that 'avalon' is first and foremost a discussion group about > all things ferry & roxy, etc. i would personally have it no other way. > however, i think if we can truly keep the 'b & p' e-mails as close to > zero as possible, this could work. i mean, avalon didn't just start > trees within the last six months or something. but now it seems we have > a few more people, owning a lot of the same things that maybe others on > the list before were not willing to 'share' (however you want to define > that word ...). > > weeding, though - the word - doesn't seem quite something i can handle > mentally, emotionally as a term for disc distribution involving > roxy/ferry content. it just seems _wrong_. the idea, however, overall > sounds great. so, maybe if we had a constant number of people willing to > do this - or even a couple sets who would be willing to alternate (?). > > these are my fantastic ideas at the moment. and, remember - einstein > said that imagination is more important than knowledge ... > > peaces/ms > > ***************************************************************** > Women! I have no idea. I don't know anything about women at all. > They're a complete mystery to me. > - Bryan Ferry > ***************************************************************** > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #77 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest