From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #73 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, February 28 2002 Volume 07 : Number 073 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] news from France ["Franck Ruffino" ] Re: [AVALON] tarrget adams spotted? [bmaccormick@cix.co.uk (Bill MacCormi] Re: [AVALON] The inevitable seems to have happened!! [=?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FC] [AVALON] a change in (list) management [Miles Goosens ] Re: [AVALON] a change in (list) management [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] news from France [=?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnter_Wandtke?= ] [AVALON] Frantic Dedicated? ["Maggie Curran" ] Re: [AVALON] san simeon tour ["Judy Kaufman" ] Re: [AVALON] Rejoice Avalonians! (not so long an e-mail) ["Judy Kaufman" ] Re: [AVALON] a change in (list) management ["Judy Kaufman" ] Re: [AVALON] Concord 2001 [Aleks Kocan ] Re: [AVALON] Hat eating time. [Aleks Kocan ] Re: [AVALON] Concord 2001 ["N. S. Koff" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:10:42 +0100 From: "Franck Ruffino" Subject: [AVALON] news from France Hi all ! I'm very disappointed with my poor english because I can't exchange more ideas with you all Avalonians. So thank you all for your great news and comments, reading them is a great pleasure. Found yesterday in french store La Fnac "The high road" DVD 903 602 9 . 32 Does someone know if others Roxy or Ferry's old videos exist in DVD ? By the way, as my messages are rare on AVALON (because of my lack of speed trying to write some english...), I want to ask members some questions : - - Why Roxy didn't come in France during its last Tour ? Are french Avalonians too much discreets ? - - How can I share some of my old (maybe rare) vinyls. Is re-recording possible ? - - What happened with Daniel Atterbom Manchester CD ? I've heard that his father passed away, very sad moments for him. But I have traded and payed Daniel for this CD and never receive it. I'm very disppointed cause I was very happy to found a record of the whole ATGB show especialy with the great harp intro... Does some Avalonian could make me a copy ? It will be great ! Contact me off-line for trading. Is Caroline Torterat still on AVALON cause my last mails remained unsuccesfull ? Here by the Seine... Amities from France, Franck ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:14 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: bmaccormick@cix.co.uk (Bill MacCormick) Subject: Re: [AVALON] tarrget adams spotted? In article <008001c1bfc8$1e9f3800$5c58893e@pre-installedco>, routley@smither.freeserve.co.uk (Rachel Smither) wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: kevin routley > To: avalon@smoe.org > Date: 26 February 2002 19.44 > Subject: Re: [AVALON] tarrget adams spotting > > > >just a small note but at the moment im working in castle street in > farnham. > while looking for local tallent at dinner time who should turn up in his > mercedes benz? > phil him self . > very rock star . > leather jeans /baseball cap/shades[it was dark to day]./and a bright > red top > [fleece]. > when i saw him he looks really slim not how i thought he would be. > he was with a woman [blonde] who was carrying a baby seat. > may be phil has moved to farnham . Strange. He's in Thailand right now with the lady in David's photo. He sure does get around. BM ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:46:31 +1100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnter_Wandtke?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] The inevitable seems to have happened!! I just tried these titles, all off line at the moment, but I found that these are all titles that are also listed on the artwork of "Alphaville", as I downloaded it from the web. Also other titles listed for "Alphaville", like "I don't want to" and "Alphaville" itself register hits at Audiogalaxy, making it more then likely that these songs are older versions and not "the real thing". If we manage to download any, we might still get sort of a sneak preview. Gunter - ----- Original Message ----- From: "bryan o connor" To: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: [AVALON] The inevitable seems to have happened!! > Folks, > > A friend of mine in the Audiogalaxy.com Bryan ferry club has emailed me to > say that a few tracks from the new album are becoming available for > download. I had hoped that there would be no leakages to audiogalaxy as its > a major mp3 site and files do multiply fast and could (although not in a > major way) have an effect on sales. I know most people here would buy the > record anyway but the borderline purchaser not on this list may be > different. I am trying to stay away from these clips etc as I want to hear > the record as its released. Therefore, as I haven't downloaded these > tracks, I cannot say if they are correct. Sometimes, a track can be masked > ie you download a track like "Hiroshima" and out comes Slave to love....so > beware. The songs are as follows: > > Nobody Loves Me > San Simeon > Hiroshima > One Way Love > > PS There doesn't seem to be many users sharing the files and thus, if users > are offline, the tracks are not downloadable. You must type the Title i.e. > Hiroshima followed by Bryan Ferry in the searchbox. Were the above tracks > the ones made available on any particular promo? If so, a copy has got into > the wrong hands. > > regards > Bryan > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:31:56 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [AVALON] a change in (list) management As some of you know, I run another list (idealcopy, the Wire list), which is also hosted at smoe.org. smoe listowners have their own mailing list, where us listowners do things like help each other with arcane majordomo commands, compare our lists' policies, and other such listownerly matters. Through the listowner community, I became aware that Jason Greshes, our listowner, apparently hasn't had the time lately to pay the requisite attention to Avalon -- or to the four other lists he runs on smoe.org. I volunteered to help smoe.org with cleaning up the accumulated Avalon-related *technical* issues such as bounced messages, an inaccurate subscription list, etc. But I don't have the time to manage two lists on a permanent basis, especially lists as verbose and occasionally contentious as idealcopy and Avalon. Plus Avalon has nearly three times as many members as idealcopy, so the administrative burdens are much greater for Avalon! However, the intrepid Colleen Matan has bravely volunteered to fill the void. I am proud to introduce Ms. Matan as the new co-administrator of Avalon! Colleen has been a vital member of this list since 1994, and has exhibited a rare combination of passion, intelligence, fairness, and common sense. These are all qualities that will serve her well in her new position. I think we can look forward to an improved Avalon that, under Colleen's guidance, will be more fan-friendly, more civil, and just plain more fun! I will be helping Colleen learn the ropes of list management during this transition period, but I don't think it'll take long for her to figure out where all the switches are. I hope my fellow listmembers will join me in congratulating Colleen -- and in working with her to make a better Avalon! later, Miles ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:01:26 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: [AVALON] Country Life gatefold Grab yourself a bargain someone...the French gatefold Country Life has an estimated value of #50/$80 according to the 1999 Record Collector article. and it's a nice piece of ephemera... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1517222165 Regards Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:14:35 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] a change in (list) management First, I'd like to thank Miles for all of his assistance, and for the kind words in his post. And I'd like to thank him for caring enough about Avalon to look for a solution. I suspect I speak for others in that case. And I also suspect that this news may make some people uneasy. It shouldn't. First, it shouldn't make some people uneasy since I think I have regularly stood up for the rights of folks to voice unpopular and/or contrary opinions on the list (preferably backed up with facts/evidence). For all of the lightning I've drawn, I've never tried to have anyone taken off the list for the things they've said. On Avalon, and on other lists I'm on, I have tried for common ground with folks I keep coming into conflict with. I like a good spirited discussion about music, but I don't like name-calling and/or personal attacks. Second, it shouldn't make people uneasy since the biggest change to Avalon will be one no one will see and it will involve only me (with assistance from Miles as needed): namely that administrative matters (bounced emails and the like) will be handled in a prompt fashion. The other change to Avalon I can't, and wouldn't, introduce on my own. I'd like for Avalon to become, as Miles wrote, "more fan-friendly, more civil, and just plain more fun." That's where everyone on the list comes in. I'd like Avalon to become a place where the music of Ferry, Roxy, et. al. is discussed fully--both the positive and negative sides--in a spirit of fun. I'd like Avalon to become what it used to be so strongly--a place where people freely shared their knowledge and insights--and, yes, their recordings--in a community, and not in a game to see who can one-up each other. (I think we already have several folks who run informative websites who do just that, but I'd like to see it grow.) Everyone has something to contribute to this list and to this effort. I'd also like to see this list become strongly Roxy/Ferry/et. al. centered, and not degenerate into a diffuse forum where off-topic posts are the norm, rather than the exception. One of the things I've already done is to ask a few people, some of whom have been on Avalon longer than I have, to serve as a sounding board and advisory role in the event any sort of drastic action needs to be taken (cf. The Unpleasant Incidents of October 2001). The other thing I'd like to do to improve the list is to publish a set of list guidelines which will help new folks--for I suspect there are going to be a number of new names once _Frantic_ is released--know what we're about here. And this is also where the entire list comes in to play. I have a draft set of guidelines I'd like to forward to interested parties and take input from. I've set up a yahoogroups.com list for that. If you'd like to be part of it, please drop me a line off-list so I can add you to that mailing list. I'm not sure that these meta questions are appropriate on-topic for the list, but I also would defer to popular opinion and would be happy to open up any of these topics for on-list discussion. I'm also happy to take questions and comments in private mail too. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:16:48 +1100 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnter_Wandtke?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] news from France > Does someone know if others Roxy or Ferry's old videos exist in DVD ? Roxy Music Musikladen shows from 1972 to 1974 are available on a phantastic DVD from Amazon.de > > - How can I share some of my old (maybe rare) vinyls. Is re-recording > possible ? There is plenty of commercial services these days who will transfer your records to CD. it is not very expensive You can also do it with your own HiFi and computer, but you will need some software, a CD burner and it is only worthwhile doing if both your HiFi Equipment and soundcard are reasonably good. You could aso hire a standalone music CD recorder and hook it up to your HiFi. Gunter ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 00:26:26 -0000 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] a change in (list) management Personally. I couldn't think of anyone more suitable or capable than you Colleen.........an I'd like to thank you for "stepping in and filling the shoes." Your contribution to the board has always been appreciated even more so now. Mark. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colleen Matan" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:14 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] a change in (list) management > First, I'd like to thank Miles for all of his assistance, and for the kind > words in his post. And I'd like to thank him for caring enough about > Avalon to look for a solution. I suspect I speak for others in that case. > > And I also suspect that this news may make some people uneasy. It > shouldn't. First, it shouldn't make some people uneasy since I think I > have regularly stood up for the rights of folks to voice unpopular and/or > contrary opinions on the list (preferably backed up with facts/evidence). > For all of the lightning I've drawn, I've never tried to have anyone taken > off the list for the things they've said. On Avalon, and on other lists > I'm on, I have tried for common ground with folks I keep coming into > conflict with. I like a good spirited discussion about music, but I don't > like name-calling and/or personal attacks. > > Second, it shouldn't make people uneasy since the biggest change to Avalon > will be one no one will see and it will involve only me (with assistance > from Miles as needed): namely that administrative matters (bounced emails > and the like) will be handled in a prompt fashion. > > The other change to Avalon I can't, and wouldn't, introduce on my own. > I'd like for Avalon to become, as Miles wrote, "more fan-friendly, more > civil, and just plain more fun." That's where everyone on the list comes > in. I'd like Avalon to become a place where the music of Ferry, Roxy, et. > al. is discussed fully--both the positive and negative sides--in a spirit > of fun. I'd like Avalon to become what it used to be so strongly--a place > where people freely shared their knowledge and insights--and, yes, their > recordings--in a community, and not in a game to see who can one-up each > other. (I think we already have several folks who run informative > websites who do just that, but I'd like to see it grow.) Everyone has > something to contribute to this list and to this effort. I'd also like to > see this list become strongly Roxy/Ferry/et. al. centered, and not > degenerate into a diffuse forum where off-topic posts are the norm, rather > than the exception. > > One of the things I've already done is to ask a few people, some of whom > have been on Avalon longer than I have, to serve as a sounding board and > advisory role in the event any sort of drastic action needs to be taken > (cf. The Unpleasant Incidents of October 2001). > > The other thing I'd like to do to improve the list is to publish a set of > list guidelines which will help new folks--for I suspect there are going > to be a number of new names once _Frantic_ is released--know what we're > about here. And this is also where the entire list comes in to play. I > have a draft set of guidelines I'd like to forward to interested parties > and take input from. I've set up a yahoogroups.com list for that. If > you'd like to be part of it, please drop me a line off-list so I can add > you to that mailing list. > > I'm not sure that these meta questions are appropriate on-topic for the > list, but I also would defer to popular opinion and would be happy to open > up any of these topics for on-list discussion. I'm also happy to take > questions and comments in private mail too. > > Colleen > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 01:15:30 +0000 From: Bahi Subject: Re: [AVALON] Imaginary themes The Siren wrote: >Let's just imagine for a second that BF adopted a persona for his >song-writing, and that this fictional character were a substance/sex/obsession >etc addict. [...] It gets my vote. It seems, then, that these themes continue but are more subtle with each album - that fits. >But then again, this could be the most fanciful analysis Not fanciful, just insightful - as usual. B ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:16:09 -0500 From: "Maggie Curran" Subject: [AVALON] Frantic Dedicated? Do we know to whom Bryan has dedicated "Frantic?" Is it Merlin's turn? "As Time Goes By" was for Isaac. Best regards, Maggie _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 00:59:47 -0600 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] san simeon tour >From: Han Snijders >Walk up the driveway endlessly curving >go through the front door it's so inviting >baronial great hall once so exciting http://www.hearstcastle.org/ I got to see San Simeon last summer. I would encourage anyone, having the opportunity, to see it. Make sure you have a whole day to spend there. Pictures and words cannot convey its magnificence. Judy _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 01:25:48 -0600 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rejoice Avalonians! (not so long an e-mail) Grant wrote: >And I tend to be more interested in hearing Bryan Ferry perform what he >wants to perform rather than indulge public demand. And considering the caliber of some of the people attending the Roxy Music shows last year, we might end up hearing not *Slave To Love* but *Cuts Like A Knife*. Shudder. Judy _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 01:40:18 -0600 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] a change in (list) management Congratulations Colleen! This list can only improve under your leadership. This deserves a loud Texas YEEE - HAAA. Judy NP: Heroes - David Bowie >From: Miles Goosens >However, the intrepid Colleen Matan has bravely volunteered to fill the >void. I am proud to introduce Ms. Matan as the new co-administrator of >Avalon! > >Colleen has been a vital member of this list since 1994, and has exhibited >a rare combination of passion, intelligence, fairness, and common >sense. These are all qualities that will serve her well in her new >position. I think we can look forward to an improved Avalon that, under >Colleen's guidance, will be more fan-friendly, more civil, and just plain >more fun! > >I will be helping Colleen learn the ropes of list management during this >transition period, but I don't think it'll take long for her to figure out >where all the switches are. I hope my fellow listmembers will join me in >congratulating Colleen -- and in working with her to make a better Avalon! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:57:18 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] a change in (list) management I was not even aware that Jason Greshes was our listowner, and welcvome that "the intrepid" Colleen Matan as the new co-administrator of Avalon! Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:59:09 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] OT: Death of a dog We are putting one of our dogs to sleep today, one of the sheppards has a brain tumor and he taken to biting us, the other dogs and is trying to bite the cats. (it is not sir Herbie, the pug on the cover.) Therefore, if I am sad or silent the coming days or weeks, you know why. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 00:12:39 -0800 (PST) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Concord 2001 - --- "N. S. Koff" wrote: > B & Ps would be the second wave, K.B. I'm a > "trader." I know that doesn't > mean much to you, but after I've tracked down stuff > I wanted, then > remastered it and designed what might loosely be > called "artwork," etc..... > By the way, what have you offered anybody lately? > Since I've been on this > group I've offered at least 3 or 4 shows that people > seemed to want. All I > see from you is silly chatter. Nick I think the point is that some people may not have anything to "trade", either that or they may not have CD writers. I'm sure that most people are very grateful to you for offering a number of items, which would maybe never have surfaced without you, but KBP may not have any live shows to "trade". "Offering to the world" and "no b&p's" seems to be a bit of a contradiction in terms. On the other hand I can understand you not wishing to become a "CD production factory" Besides I happen to find KBP's "silly chatter" very entertaining. Aleks Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 00:25:04 -0800 (PST) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hat eating time. - --- Guy Lawley wrote: > And I still think the artwork *stinks*. I prefer the > sleeve of In Your > Mind, which I previously thought was the worst Ferry > cover. It looks > positively good by comparison. > What the hell is going on with these "designers"? > Has the legendary > Ferry quality control lapsed? (Rhetorical question, > I suppose!) I think it's a good photo, but it's been used before (Right Stuff?), my main point was that I was surprised that a more recent photo had not been used. I suspect that it's all down to how visible the CD will be to the buying public (marketing men step in). Artwork is obviously part and package of any Roxy/Ferry release, but the main thing is what the actual music is like. I really like the "In Your Mind" artwork, I think it suits the style of music on the "In Your Mind" LP. Aleks Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 00:41:39 -0800 From: "N. S. Koff" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Concord 2001 At 12:12 AM 2/28/02, you wrote: >--- "N. S. Koff" wrote: > > B & Ps would be the second wave, K.B. I'm a > > "trader." I know that doesn't > > mean much to you, but after I've tracked down stuff > > I wanted, then > > remastered it and designed what might loosely be > > called "artwork," etc..... > > By the way, what have you offered anybody lately? > > Since I've been on this > > group I've offered at least 3 or 4 shows that people > > seemed to want. All I > > see from you is silly chatter. > >Nick > >I think the point is that some people may not have >anything to "trade", either that or they may not have >CD writers. I'm sure that most people are very >grateful to you for offering a number of items, which >would maybe never have surfaced without you, but KBP >may not have any live shows to "trade". No one is under any obligation to offer anything to anyone. Ever. I offered this, the way I did, for a reason. If this was a fifteen year old copy of Sonic Sirens a B & P offer would be absolutely generous. This will be B'd and P'd soon enough, but as it's one of the freshest shows from 2001 to surface, lots of people who like to trade will trade for it. That said, nobody put a gun to her head and forced her to write, yet again, another unprovoked personal attack upon me. "Going into business, are ye now nick?" is pretty effing personal, and, more to the point, wildly inaccurate. Did I offer them for sale? What kind of business could possibly be run by working for free, then trading the work product for something with no value, aside from the pleasure of hearing it? A few weeks ago, I offered Dublin 2001 thanks to Mr. O'Brien, as a trade or a B & P. Naturally, most of my response was for B's and P. That's fine -- that's how it was offered. I appreciate your understanding that I'm not a production factory, finding, remastering, designing and giving away the fruits of my efforts in my hobby. So do most of the people here who trade. What some may not understand is that I enjoy very much preparing these items, and hope that the people who I send them to enjoy them as much as I do. In fact, that's a large part of the pleasure of sharing music. Other people who do this feel the same way. It costs nothing to send someone a dollars worth of blanks and two dollars worth of postage -- nothing, and, invariably there isn't even the minimum courtesy of a thank you afterward from the people who receive such disks. Tapers, traders and people who work with these know what's involved and they should receive first crack at the newest stuff. I can assure you, no real trader, taper or computer jockey remixer fails to understand the effort required, or the satisfaction gained in turning a poor sounding audience tape into something worth listening to. >"Offering to the world" and "no b&p's" seems to be a >bit of a contradiction in terms. On the other hand I >can understand you not wishing to become a "CD >production factory" > >Besides I happen to find KBP's "silly chatter" very >entertaining. Perhaps you'd feel differently if she began hosing you with unprovoked nastiness. "Going into business, are ye now nick?" Yeah, right... Warmest regards, etc. etc. Roxy Trade Page: http://boootlegs.com/roxy.htm Roxy Trade Page - Text Only: http://boootlegs.com/bootxt04.htm Other Trade Stuff: http://boootlegs.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #73 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest