From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #66 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, February 25 2002 Volume 07 : Number 066 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Now here's a debate [Chandla911@AOL.COM] [AVALON] New Material ["Bryan S. Richards" ] [AVALON] Single Correction [OBrienFerry@AOL.COM] Re: [AVALON] Hi ["Tracy Connell" ] Re: [AVALON] Now here's a debate [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Now here's a debate [KWil632057@AOL.COM] Re: [AVALON] Hi ["bryan o connor" ] Re: [AVALON] Now here's a debate [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' [JaniceJanroxy@AOL.COM] Re: [AVALON] Now here's a debate ["Christian H. Soetemann" ] [AVALON] Rover Cars ["Nigel Hollis" ] Re: [AVALON] Now here's a debate [KWil632057@AOL.COM] Re: [AVALON] Fw: Frantic Ban [KWil632057@AOL.COM] Re: [AVALON] Fw: Frantic Ban [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Now here's a debate ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] RE: [AVALON] Now here's a debate ["dark.images" ] Re: [AVALON] Which Way to Go? [KWil632057@AOL.COM] RE: [AVALON] Which Way to Go? ["dark.images" ] Re: [AVALON] Which Way to Go? [KWil632057@AOL.COM] RE: [AVALON] Which Way to Go? ["dark.images" ] [AVALON] Frantic Ban ["paula brown" ] [AVALON] 4.B.F. [Tim Rothfuss ] Re: [AVALON] Hi [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic Ban ["Mark Yates" ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic Ban [David Firmin ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 04:10:38 EST From: Chandla911@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] Now here's a debate KBP said: "We are fortunate to be living through a new evolution; that of information and technology. We must either adapt to the change or die as one presumes the dinosaurs did." It's relatively well accepted that we are supreme on the planet for as long as it lasts, but one day we will have evolved ourselves out of existence. We will join the dinosaurs one day and, if the planet remains, a new life form will take charge. I have no problem with the new technology - I have enjoyed the past 12 months downloading new Prince material (well, some of it was older than Frantic but it was unreleased) from the NPG Music Club for a fiver a month - but the problem with the (r)evolution is that music companies INVESTED in talent and, if it didn't reap immediate dividends, they stuck with the contractee. Also, records didn't get deleted within a few months of the release date. I remember collecting Decca singles by the Rolling Stones in the late 70s. But no-one ever suggested that music companies were not making sizeable profits at the time. Looking back at the excess of the 70s, they were certainly making enough. But then the accountants took over and decided if an artists didn't return a profit, they'd be dropped. If a record didn't sell enough copies to make number one in the first week, all promotion would cease and move on to the next one. (This may not ring so true in the US and other territories, but I remember records taking 5 or 6 weeks to reach the top spot in the UK; now we have about 45 number one singles each year, all of them debuting at the top.) It is greed, pure and simple. It's not an improved market (the quality of music has suffered as a result because, broadly, risk taking is not tolerated). Musicians don't earn more money as a result. Fans don't get a 'better deal'. Some fat cats in the multi-national conglomerates report bi gger profits. Is all. So that is the world we now live in. Maybe Bryan Ferry should learn some new tricks to survive, but he's just come off a lucrative world tour with Roxy. Should we expect him to already feel the need to maximise profit on Frantic, when he can release some old vault stuff? Grant said: I mean, we didn't get "Mother of Pearl" in Atlanta July 01, and that was a shame, because I would have liked to hear it. But I DID hear ninety minutes of really excellent songs, performed brilliantly and with a lot of energy and commitment. I got my money's worth. Couldn't agree more. I was sorry that Street Life was truncated, leaving out my favourite verse. I missed not hearing If There Is Something (esp now I've heard the Dublin CDs). When Mother of Pearl didn't appear, it WAS a shame. But there must have been some reason why I kept going back, esp when the aforementioned Apollo seats at #50 loomed into view... Best wishes Richard Mills n/p Aretha Franklin - Best Of *Speaking of whom, the last time Aretha played the UK, she played less than an hour (including the encore) for what was a high ticket price. But had I known she would not return for another 20 years, I'd have appreciated it more at the time. She's now said to be coming over for the Buckingham Palace Jubilee show with Stevie Wonder and the McCartney/Jagger/Collins supergroup. Do you think we'll get even an hour this time? Not a chance...methinks the music industry revolution is doing nobody any favours. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:08:39 -0000 From: "Bryan S. Richards" Subject: [AVALON] New Material Hi Guys, Just a few thoughts from a long time follower of Roxy Music. I think we would all enjoy new material from Bryan in the same mould as when they first burst on to the scene but, when you consider Roxy's original output, I just don't think Bryan is prepared to release material that is as raw as the early stuff was. IMHO I think Bryan suffers from attempting to make his recordings sound, perhaps, too well crafted rather than allow some spontaneity to rule. But that's fine for me, I just want to hear whatever he produces - not for lemming like reasons - as I've been privileged to follow RM/BF for all these years and enjoy the diversity. Most I like - some I don't but that's a matter of personal opinion. As for his voice and singing live, again I've been fortunate enough to see RM or BF live on all but their 1971 outings and after this last tour still feel that RM are the finest performing group I've seen. Yes I've seen Floyd, The Stones etc etc with all their great stage shows but RM on their night still provide that special thrill. And yes, Bryan's voice occasionally doesn't do it and maybe the others provide a few duff chords or notes but are any of us perfect in our work? I don't think so! So, new material or not - thanks lads for the past 31 years. Bryan ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 06:38:50 EST From: OBrienFerry@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] Single Correction I have just had a correction sent to me on info I was given on Friday. The CD single for 'It's All Over Now Baby Blue' includes 2 new tracks: 'Which Way To Go' (not the Mamouna track 'Which Way To Turn' as posted on Friday as well as a new recording 'Smoke Dreams'. John O'Brien P.S. I have added my review of 'Frantic' on vivaroxymusic.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:31:59 +0000 From: "Tracy Connell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hi Hi Bryan >I'm 25.......the first single I got was "Take On >Me" by a-ha (god love me!!) so I'm a different era. To comment on A-Ha, I was dragged to an A-Ha Concert back in the 1980s. I must admit that 'Take On Me' was the only one I liked at the time. I was never a fan. I had to go, as my friend at the time had sat through a David Cassidy concert with me. (confession time?! - yes I liked David Cassidy in the Eighties for my sins! - I'm over that now (I think!)). >Mamouna was Ferrys best record since Roxy's Avalon. >I think now more than ever that it's his best solo work. Nostalgia >affecting my view I hear you say?? No...not at all...1994 was a shit >year >for me:)) I was told to listen to all the Ferry/ Roxy material >before I >said Mamouna was great.....fact was, I had! I do really really like Mamouna and it was on the Mamouna tour when I first saw Bryan live in concert so I guess that makes it special. I don't agree that it was his best solo work. My personal preference would be 'Boys and Girls'. My favourite single is on that album too - 'Slave To Love'. >I'm also a big Robert Palmer fan. I run his official site on the >net (www.robertpalmer.com) and as there are some admirers of him here, I'd >like to inform you that he too is making a new album. He is another man who >has successfully released albums of original and cover material......his >70's output is just amazing. I do agree with your comments about Robert Palmer. I think he's great too. I'll look out on your site for news of the new album. I haven't had the chance to see him in concert though. Just missed the chance once when I was at Uni in Glasgow at he was playing in Edinburgh. Never mind - perhaps next time. Have you seen him in Concert? Anyway, I must go, Enjoy Avalon! Tracy :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:37:04 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Now here's a debate "It's relatively well accepted that we are supreme on the planet for as long as it lasts, but one day we will have evolved ourselves out of existence. We will join the dinosaurs one day and, if the planet remains, a new life form will take charge." I'd go further. Not only will humans one day evolve into something - be it another life form or into coal, oil, or some other intermediate form - but I submit that the dinosaurs are alive and well within each organic being on this planet at this very moment - just as the dinosaurs were composed of our human yet-to-be-formed bodies. From ashes to ashes, dust to dust. What I find to be of more interest is 'What is and what becomes of our energy'? "Maybe Bryan Ferry should learn some new tricks to survive, but he's just come off a lucrative world tour with Roxy. Should we expect him to already feel the need to maximise profit on Frantic, when he can release some old vault stuff?" Richard, I suspect we should not expect anything of Bryan Ferry. This way, we, 1) can not possibly be disappointed with any further output, 2) can only be thrilled at the opportunity to decide if we wish to buy official offerings when released in the marketplace, 3) and more importantly, on a personal level, enjoy life without feeling any anxiety for this artist we all love so deeply. This is solely BF's business, and if he chooses to persist with traditional channels of production and distribution then that is what he shall do. I venture to say that given a bit of ingenuity, courage, and energy, Bryan Ferry's work could reach more individuals worldwide than a conventional practices record company would ever afford this artist. IF Bryan Ferry desires to get more of his work into the marketplace (for what ever reason) the emerging channels have become increasingly obtainable for all. Now, to this energy thing - do you really wish a debate? :) Best wishes, Richard K.B.Porter ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:54:04 EST From: KWil632057@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Now here's a debate Track 9 of ATGB seems to be what you have.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Jonathan x n/p Original Cast Recording ' Beadles About!' ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 15:06:45 -0000 From: "bryan o connor" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hi Greetings Avalonians once again. Hi Tracy, Like yourself, I saw Ferry for the first time in 1994. It was in Dublin's Point theatre and what a dismal turnout it was (about 2500 of an 8000 seater....but Roxy filled it last year thankfully). I loved the '94 show although the 39 steps guitar solo from D Williams went on a bit:) just kidding...great musicianship) Boys and Girls is a strange one for me....yes I agree that Slave To Love is truly excellent but it did stand apart from the rest of the album for me on those first few listens. It sounds more layered and complete as if ferry spent a long time on this track and did the rest in a hurry! I know that's probably not the case but that's how it felt when I first listened to it about 10 yrs ago. I felt it had dated badly. Avalon, although older, sounds fresh. B & G was too synth based whereas Avalon mixed instruments with synth atmospherics alot better giving a more organic, natural sound. 8 yrs on from Mamouna, I think it has dated excellently....very fresh sounding....the hard work paid off I think. I must admit that I've gotten more into Boys and Girls as the years have gone on and my ear is less harsh on the music quality. I love The Chosen One. Windswept is a good song also but I can't get that terrible video out of my head while listening to it.....god...Ferry strumming the guitar by a tree....I hope the director was made pay for that! Love the 12" of Don't Stop The Dance. But at the end of the day, and any music fan knows, you can't deny the critical ear that you have when you listen to a record for the first time. Any fan of a musician dreads to think that they may not like the new album and does ones best to like the record. For me...I'll never forget having As Time Goes By in my hands....hoping that I'd like it as I wasn't a thirties standards fan. His first record in 5 years, I thought......If I don't like this.....when will I hear another? Never? So, I felt a kind of pressure to like it...sad but true, afterall, I'm a fan. I didn't like it and retreated to my Robert Palmer 70's back catalogue for comfort as I rebelled against everything Ferry.....for about a week.....then I blared remake remodel or something early like that to get away from that 30's crooner vibe. Sorry...I'm rambling....back to my point....an album grows on you but I do feel that one is at their most critical on the first listen and an air of disappointment or goose pimple provoking happiness will arise out of a first listen...its a hard truth and April 15th next will be a big day for me. I don't want any mp3's...I've done that before and it takes from the moment. As for Robert Palmer.....gutted that I haven't seen him in concert....booked Manchester in 2000 only for it to be cancelled. There I am liasing with his management for his website and I haven't seen him live....but there you go....His previous tours never came to Dublin and I was too young to travel. But hopefully the next year or so will sort that. regards Bryan - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tracy Connell To: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hi > Hi Bryan > > >I'm 25.......the first single I got was "Take On > >Me" by a-ha (god love me!!) so I'm a different era. > > To comment on A-Ha, I was dragged to an A-Ha Concert back in the 1980s. I > must admit that 'Take On Me' was the only one I liked at the time. I was > never a fan. I had to go, as my friend at the time had sat through a David > Cassidy concert with me. (confession time?! - yes I liked David Cassidy in > the Eighties for my sins! - I'm over that now (I think!)). > > >Mamouna was Ferrys best record since Roxy's Avalon. > >I think now more than ever that it's his best solo work. Nostalgia > >affecting my view I hear you say?? No...not at all...1994 was a shit >year > >for me:)) I was told to listen to all the Ferry/ Roxy material >before I > >said Mamouna was great.....fact was, I had! > > I do really really like Mamouna and it was on the Mamouna tour when I first > saw Bryan live in concert so I guess that makes it special. I don't agree > that it was his best solo work. My personal preference would be 'Boys and > Girls'. My favourite single is on that album too - 'Slave To Love'. > > > >I'm also a big Robert Palmer fan. I run his official site on the > >net (www.robertpalmer.com) and as there are some admirers of him here, I'd > >like to inform you that he too is making a new album. He is another man who > >has successfully released albums of original and cover material......his > >70's output is just amazing. > > > I do agree with your comments about Robert Palmer. I think he's great too. > I'll look out on your site for news of the new album. I haven't had the > chance to see him in concert though. Just missed the chance once when I was > at Uni in Glasgow at he was playing in Edinburgh. Never mind - perhaps next > time. Have you seen him in Concert? > > Anyway, I must go, > > Enjoy Avalon! > > Tracy :) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:13:55 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Now here's a debate [ Track 9 of ATGB seems to be what you have.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Jonathan x ] Time On My Hands? Well, yes, we all have time on our hands now don't we? It is a matter of how one chooses to spend their time. I have the great fortune to do as I please with my time. Between this and the most recent post I made - the one to which you responded - I actually was out in my garden (an acres worth) watering a small bed and assessing the condition of it all. So please, do not think that I've nothing to do for my days are very well enjoyed and productive (I shall be off for my daily run before returning to less selfish endeavors those of which I shall not further bore you, Jonathan. Rather, you should get yourself back to work - especially if you are reading this on an employer's time! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:21:19 EST From: JaniceJanroxy@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' Kari, im with you on that one. Bryan has the best voice i have ever heard in my life. Ive been a fan since I first heard Virginia Plain and i would not be a member of this list if I thought Bryan couldnt sing! His voice is perfect and although I do like some songs better than others as long as he keeps releasing songs, covers or new material, then I am happy. Janice. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:48:32 +0000 From: "Christian H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Now here's a debate But Jonathan, you will turn to dust as well at some point - just like all of us here, or whatever molecular transformation we might have undergone until then! And since death is the friend we've yet to meet... Christian, dust on his hands, but without ridiculous dustbowl goth coat NP: Robert Fripp - 1987 - ---------- >Von: KWil632057@aol.com >An: avalon@smoe.org >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] Now here's a debate >Datum: Mon, 25. Feb 2002 14:54 Uhr > >Track 9 of ATGB seems to be what you have.........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz > >Jonathan > >x > >n/p Original Cast Recording ' Beadles About!' > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 07:54:39 -0800 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fw: Frantic Ban I miss the days when you bought an album on the day of it's release, not knowing what to expect. If 'anyone' burns this promo and distributes it, Bryan will never get the sales he deserves. Some fool paid $125 for it on eBay! David *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:05:39 -0000 From: "Nigel Hollis" Subject: [AVALON] Rover Cars Somewhere in the advertising agency that is contracted to Rover Cars is someone who must be either a closet Avalonian or is heavily influenced by RM. A few years back we all remember Rover`s advertising one of it`s models using VP as the backing track - well, has anyone seen Rover`s latest 2 page advert for their 75 series anywhere in the weekend colour magazines? Now the bad news is that you will all just have to search for this one I`m afraid as I cannot find this advert anywhere either on Rover`s website or the internet. Good hunting! Regards, Nigel. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:02:17 EST From: KWil632057@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Now here's a debate Its all gone a little bit 'Leonard Cohen' on Avalon lately...Very cheery. Jonathan n/p Captain Sensible 'Happy Talk' In a message dated 25/02/02 15:49:24 GMT Standard Time, soetemann@nord-com.net writes: > But Jonathan, you will turn to dust as well at some point - just like all of > us here, or whatever molecular transformation we might have undergone until > then! > And since death is the friend we've yet to meet... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:03:22 EST From: KWil632057@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fw: Frantic Ban In a message dated 25/02/02 16:01:34 GMT Standard Time, eddieriff@yahoo.com writes: > If 'anyone' burns this promo and distributes it, Bryan will never get the > sales he deserves. Some fool paid $125 for it on eBay! and they wont even get the cover art...........do'h!!! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:11:50 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fw: Frantic Ban On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, David Firmin wrote: > I miss the days when you bought an album on the day of it's release, not > knowing what to expect. But you can still have those halcyon days for it is entirely possible to still buy an album on the day of its release without having heard it and/or knowing what to expect. I've done it myself, and so have millions of others. All you have to do is refuse any promo/advance copies which are offered to you, not read spoilers, and voila! The bliss of (intended) ignorance. > If 'anyone' burns this promo and distributes it, Bryan will never get > the sales he deserves. Some fool paid $125 for it on eBay! Although it is a point which is often forgotten on Avalon and around the various self-important Roxy-related bulletin/message boards (and in some places, more than others), it should have been evident last year that the on-line fans who might seek out such an item are but a tiny drop in the bucket of Ferry fans. I'm not worried. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 16:28:50 -0000 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Now here's a debate > And since death is the friend we've yet to meet... My brains gone AWOL, where is this line from. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:08:34 -0500 From: Heather James Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fw: Frantic Ban Don't even kid about such a thing. Those of us who trade and share concert recordings would NEVER dupe a commercial release - and a promo is simply an early issue of a commercial release. That kind of thing is strictly frowned upon in the trader circles I've run in (Roxy, Van Morrison, etc). We are fans of the artist - and true fans believe that the artists gets paid for their art. I know I'm planning to buy a copy of Frantic, just as I've bought all the previous releases (the ones that weren't simply compilations). -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com The Roxy Music Archives: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ My Music Trading Lists: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-boots.html Roxy Music Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/roxy-boots.html Van Morrison Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-van.html >-----------------------------------------------------------------------< David Firmin wrote: > I miss the days when you bought an album on the day of it's release, not > knowing what to expect. > > If 'anyone' burns this promo and distributes it, Bryan will never get the > sales he deserves. Some fool paid $125 for it on eBay! > > David > > *** > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:23:42 -0000 From: "dark.images" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Now here's a debate "Boys & Girls" Andy. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of terrypaulrigz8c Sent: 25 February 2002 16:29 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Now here's a debate > And since death is the friend we've yet to meet... My brains gone AWOL, where is this line from. Terry "O" ________________________________________________________________________ ___ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:26:50 -0800 (PST) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fw: Frantic Ban - --- David Firmin wrote: > I miss the days when you bought an album on the day > of it's release, not > knowing what to expect I quite agree, but I still don't know what to expect from this one. - --- David Firmin wrote: > If 'anyone' burns this promo and distributes it, > Bryan will never get the > sales he deserves. Some fool paid $125 for it on > eBay! I would guess that most (if not all the people) on this list would go out and buy the album anyway, even if they had a pre-release "burned" copy. In fact, a number would probably buy it in all it's formats. Anyway, we've waited this long, so what's another month or whatever. I'm pretty sure that whoever bought the item on e-bay is on the Avalon list. People can spend their money how they like. Personally I wouldn't pay that amount, but it's up to the individual. One way or the other I'm going to buy it when it's released...the only problem is which format....CD...SACD...DVD....etc..... Aleks Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:28:04 EST From: KWil632057@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Which Way to Go? Any ideas as to the origins of this song? Jonathan n/p Deepak Chopra ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:40:24 -0000 From: "dark.images" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Which Way to Go? Dunno..but it has my fave intro from all the songs on mamouna Andy. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of KWil632057@aol.com Sent: 25 February 2002 17:28 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Which Way to Go? Any ideas as to the origins of this song? Jonathan n/p Deepak Chopra ________________________________________________________________________ ___ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:38:37 EST From: KWil632057@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Which Way to Go? I prefer the intro to Which Way to Turn. In a message dated 25/02/02 17:37:46 GMT Standard Time, dark.images@ntlworld.com writes: > Dunno..but it has my fave intro from all the songs on mamouna > Andy. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:51:49 -0000 From: "dark.images" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Which Way to Go? Er.........oops and that one as well. Andy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org] On Behalf Of KWil632057@aol.com Sent: 25 February 2002 17:39 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Which Way to Go? I prefer the intro to Which Way to Turn. In a message dated 25/02/02 17:37:46 GMT Standard Time, dark.images@ntlworld.com writes: > Dunno..but it has my fave intro from all the songs on mamouna > Andy. ________________________________________________________________________ ___ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:52:49 -0600 From: "paula brown" Subject: [AVALON] Frantic Ban Everyone thought cassettes would be the end of record sales when they came out because people could dub them, but all passing the music around from one fan to another did was increase sales by quite a large margin. It simply increased the fan base. Being able to send sound files does make it even easier, but I don't think that's the main problem plaguing music sales. Really, I think it's just that listening to music has taken a back seat to being online, pure and simple. It just isn't youth's favorite pasttime anymore. Computers are, which fortunately integrates music or it might fade away even more severely. How do artists make money? I don't have the answer, but if we want them to, and we should, then everyone shouldn't fight it when record companies try to regulate MP3s. MP3s, though, for unsigned groups will be the saving grace for once again giving fresh artists a vehicle to be heard. It would be hunkydory with me if restrictions were put in place that enabled not just labels by independent artists to profit from their work, leaving it up to them to give it away in order to build the initial fan base but then having regulations in place for when they wanted to start selling direct, without a label if they desire. I know this is what every garage band dreams of, but I think they'll find it takes more money and personnel than they'd planned on for marketing, tour support, etc., although the Internet certainly is a wonderful marketing and distribution tool. I think labels will evolve into a stripped down version of what they've been and will be used in a more limited capacity, the focus shifting away from production and distribution and focusing on marketing and tour support. Is the technology even there to be able to restrict MP3s, etc.? Probably not, but it's only a matter of time, unless someone comes up with a dancable solution to teenage revolution. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:53:28 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Rothfuss Subject: [AVALON] 4.B.F. Hi everybody, First off, my apologies if a version of this message has already been posted. I tried once before, and it didn't appear in the digest format. In any case, this is my first (or second) posting, so I'm begging you not to yell at me. Anyway, the talk about Concrete Blonde's "Roxy" (and other various Roxy/Ferry tribute songs) brought "4.B.F" to mind, and the fact that the song's backstory and lyrics have been bugging me for a long time, and I was hoping that maybe someone here might be familiar with its history. It was on the album/cd "The Madness" (which was, I believe, about four-sevenths of Madness with one or two of The Attractions playing on a couple of songs.) I think I read somewhere that Madness (just Madness) performed it live as well (and gamely try to emulate the Roxy sound). Anyway, the lyrics (which I won't get into right now, unless somebody's interested or unfamiliar with them - let me know) seem to be a bit critical of Bryan Ferry (if I'm reading them right. Maybe it's about him going solo again, as the song dates around the mid-80's?). Not only that, but there's a verse in the printed lyrics of the cd booklet that is not in the recorded version of the song, and there's a verse in the song that's not printed in the booklet (a bit of the unsung lyrics being "you left us stranded with a hungry crew/do expect us to gain respect for you/I'm sure you did not scheme/I know you didn't mean it".) So, I'm just wondering if anybody could help me figure out what the song's about (or where I might be able to find out about it). I've looked all over (and checked the archives, too, though I couldn't find anything). I apologize in advance if this is a bit off-topic but, being underemployed at the moment, I have more free time than I know what to do with, and these things seem to take on greater importance. You can email me privately if you want (timtarot@yahoo.com) if it's decided that the topic isn't of general interest. Thanks for your time, everybody (sorry if I rambled), Tim Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:04:58 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hi At 23.27 +0100 2-02-24, bryan o connor wrote: >I'm also a big Robert Palmer fan. I run his official site on the >net (www.robertpalmer.com) and as there are some admirers of him here, I'd >like to inform you that he too is making a new album. He is another man who >has successfully released albums of original and cover material......his >70's output is just amazing. I like Robert Palmer a lot. He's done of the best Marvin Gaye covers there is. I'll check out the site in the future. Nice to hear from you Bryan. NP Bob Seger, Turn the Page Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:11:52 -0000 From: "Mark Yates" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic Ban Paula. You do talk a lot of sense. Mark. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "paula brown" To: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 5:52 PM Subject: [AVALON] Frantic Ban > Everyone thought cassettes would be the end of record sales when they > came out because people could dub them, but all passing the music around from > one fan to another did was increase sales by quite a large margin. It simply > increased the fan base. Being able to send sound files does make it even > easier, but I don't think that's the main problem plaguing music sales. > Really, I think it's just that listening to music has taken a back seat to > being online, pure and simple. It just isn't youth's favorite pasttime > anymore. Computers are, which fortunately integrates music or it might fade > away even more severely. > How do artists make money? I don't have the answer, but if we want them > to, and we should, then everyone shouldn't fight it when record companies try > to regulate MP3s. MP3s, though, for unsigned groups will be the saving grace > for once again giving fresh artists a vehicle to be heard. It would be > hunkydory with me if restrictions were put in place that enabled not just > labels by independent artists to profit from their work, leaving it up to them > to give it away in order to build the initial fan base but then having > regulations in place for when they wanted to start selling direct, without a > label if they desire. I know this is what every garage band dreams of, but I > think they'll find it takes more money and personnel than they'd planned on > for marketing, tour support, etc., although the Internet certainly is a > wonderful marketing and distribution tool. > I think labels will evolve into a stripped down version of what they've > been and will be used in a more limited capacity, the focus shifting away from > production and distribution and focusing on marketing and tour support. Is the > technology even there to be able to restrict MP3s, etc.? Probably not, but > it's only a matter of time, unless someone comes up with a dancable solution > to teenage revolution. Paula > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:11:28 -0800 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic Ban Last year, blank CDs outsold all music albums in the U.S. Artists are having their most dismal sales ever because of this. http://www.latimes.com/business/la-022402grammy.story David *** on 2/25/02 10:11 AM, Mark Yates at mark@myates19.fsnet.co.uk wrote: > Paula. > You do talk a lot of sense. > > Mark. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "paula brown" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 5:52 PM > Subject: [AVALON] Frantic Ban > > >> Everyone thought cassettes would be the end of record sales when they >> came out because people could dub them, but all passing the music around > from >> one fan to another did was increase sales by quite a large margin. It > simply >> increased the fan base. Being able to send sound files does make it even >> easier, but I don't think that's the main problem plaguing music sales. >> Really, I think it's just that listening to music has taken a back seat to >> being online, pure and simple. It just isn't youth's favorite pasttime >> anymore. Computers are, which fortunately integrates music or it might > fade >> away even more severely. >> How do artists make money? I don't have the answer, but if we want > them >> to, and we should, then everyone shouldn't fight it when record companies > try >> to regulate MP3s. MP3s, though, for unsigned groups will be the saving > grace >> for once again giving fresh artists a vehicle to be heard. It would be >> hunkydory with me if restrictions were put in place that enabled not just >> labels by independent artists to profit from their work, leaving it up to > them >> to give it away in order to build the initial fan base but then having >> regulations in place for when they wanted to start selling direct, without > a >> label if they desire. I know this is what every garage band dreams of, but > I >> think they'll find it takes more money and personnel than they'd planned > on >> for marketing, tour support, etc., although the Internet certainly is a >> wonderful marketing and distribution tool. >> I think labels will evolve into a stripped down version of what > they've >> been and will be used in a more limited capacity, the focus shifting away > from >> production and distribution and focusing on marketing and tour support. Is > the >> technology even there to be able to restrict MP3s, etc.? Probably not, but >> it's only a matter of time, unless someone comes up with a dancable > solution >> to teenage revolution. Paula >> >> >> > ___________________________________________________________________________ >> The subliminable footer says: >> To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >> unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #66 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest