From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #64 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, February 24 2002 Volume 07 : Number 064 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Frantic : a Review ["Christian H. Soetemann" ] [AVALON] MIDI recording ["bryan o connor" ] Re: [AVALON] Hi ["David Squires " ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic Antic's ["Grant Goggans" ] Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' ["Grant Goggans" ] [AVALON] Re: Richard, JohnD, Martin comments ["paula brown" ] Re: Fw: [AVALON] 'New Material' [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] replies ["paula brown" ] Re: [AVALON] Hi [Colleen Matan ] Re: Fw: [AVALON] 'New Material' ["N. S. Koff" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Richard, JohnD, Martin comments [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' ["N. S. Koff" ] Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' ["paula brown" ] Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' ["One of the Grays" ] [AVALON] Ferry: 'Ich Bin Ein Hamburger' ["Chris Turner" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:18:00 +0000 From: "Christian H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic : a Review My lips are sealed. That is, since I've applied some superglue to them. Watch out! C. - ---------- >Von: KB Porter >An: avalon@smoe.org >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] Frantic : a Review >Datum: Son, 24. Feb 2002 14:46 Uhr > >Christian: The drill is revving up for action! But we need >to know - is it safe!? > >[ (Martins hint at the (BF) original was mouth-watering! >Well you know where I am if it all kicks off! >Neil Jones ] > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:17:35 -0600 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] something old, something new, something ferry new mark shanahan wrote: >i just hope martino has all of our addresses so he can >send us copies. Wouldn't it be faster (and more discreet) if he just put it up on Morpheus using the naming format of: God - Track 1 etc? JK _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:27:50 -0000 From: "bryan o connor" Subject: [AVALON] Hi Hi, I've joined the list recently after being away for a while. I'm a big Ferry fan since '92 when I bought the "Spell On You" single. During this period "my spotty teens period", I was watching MTV and heard that Ferry had run out of funds making what I know now to be the horiscope record. I bought the Spell single to give my bit of (financial) support.....how innocent, but my heart was in the right place! Anyway...thereafter I got hooked....good for me and a decade later I'm still hanging on but I'm hungry for new material....it's been a dry patch! I'm sorry to be so up front and some may think unappreciative of good music but I'm not into the 30's standards that made up "As Time Goes By". I'm 25.......the first single I got was "Take On Me" by a-ha (god love me!!) so I'm a different era. I take my music serious enough to understand the excellent technique and vocal arrangements on the album to keep the interpitations true to the originals but I'm not into it. Some of the love songs are excellent but thats it for me. It's on this record that I think Ferry proves he can sing though.....alot of the critical praise for the album was for Bryan's vocal triumph. Some of the slaggers should take a listen. It's the musical content rather than the lyrics that my ear seems to be drawn by. Whether it's a covers record or not, it's the atmospherics that thrill me about Ferry's music. Thats why As Time....isn't my all time fav I guess. But I do want to hear original material. Some of the more intellectual fans of Ferry and Roxy seem to harp on about yesteryear but that's the nature of nostalgia. Your opinions get clouded by good memories brought about by listening to old records which leads you to think that the records are spectacular! Sometimes theyre not. I got slagged off in '94 when I thought (Like Q Magazine), that Mamouna was Ferrys best record since Roxy's Avalon. I think now more than ever that it's his best solo work. Nostalgia affecting my view I hear you say?? No...not at all...1994 was a shit year for me:)) I was told to listen to all the Ferry/ Roxy material before I said Mamouna was great.....fact was, I had! Covers are a risky business but I think Bryan's done ok. Some of the stuff on the first solo records is dreadful and I must say "Amazing Grace" was dis..graceful (sorry :)) on taxi but others (we all know them) have helped him make his name. Afterall, most records today seem to have covers on there especially the teeny bopper releases. I think Bryan is or was going through a confidence slump. I felt sorry for him as I watched him on Jools Holland promoting "As Time Goes By" as he was evidently frustrated with his original material. He played old songs promoting Mamouna which was a bad move.....it stands up to the best...but I admit it's a grower. Hopefully, Frantics 7 tracks (which isn't far shy of an album) will see me satisfied....I think were getting good value for money again with 13 tracks. So don't get too cought up on the covers debate....they may help get much needed radio play. Finally....(I will F**k off after this...I like to do a years posting at once)....I'm also a big Robert Palmer fan. I run his official site on the net (www.robertpalmer.com) and as there are some admirers of him here, I'd like to inform you that he too is making a new album. He is another man who has successfully released albums of original and cover material......his 70's output is just amazing. regards Bryan ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:35:08 -0000 From: "bryan o connor" Subject: [AVALON] MIDI recording Sorry to bother you again folks....but some of the music makers of the group may be able to help me. I'm trying to get my head around the whole midi concept and need a bit of help....the books aren't doing it for me. Up to now, audio digital recording was my method but when you're an average keyboard player trying to get a "South Downs" inspired masterpiece down, you need to be able to correct the little errors without repeating the whole damn thing. Any help appreciated.. regards Bryan ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:35:29 -0000 From: "David Squires " Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hi On 24 Feb 2002 at 22:27, bryan o connor wrote: > Some of the more intellectual fans of Ferry and Roxy seem to harp on > about yesteryear but that's the nature of nostalgia. Your opinions get > clouded by good memories brought about by listening to old records > which leads you to think that the records are spectacular! Errr, quite... D - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:42:59 -0500 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic Antic's >Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:40:59 -0000 >From: "Philip Adams" >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic Antic's > >lets have no more talk of "Frantic" until we all get a chance to hear the >songs > >Philip If the conversation offends you, you aren't obligated to participate. - --Grant _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:40:51 -0500 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' >Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:31:14 -0500 >From: "One of the Grays" >Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' > >Maybe I'm the one who is missing the point here! Seems like it. > >Sure, Roxy's reunion last year was a great thrill but I was half expecting >Ferry to come up with at least a dozen or so self penned tunes after 7 or 8 >years. Maybe you should stop "expecting" someone you do not know to "come up with" anything whatsoever for you, unless they're working to a personal commission from you. >I can understand the "newer" Ferry followers listening to revamped >songs from hasbeens like Dylan... That's quite all right. Seems to me some folks on this list have been listening to Bryan Ferry for about three decades and they'll be listening to the same revamped songs as the "newer" followers. >but I think he owes us something for our long >and suffering support! You are wrong. Bryan Ferry has never owed you anything. No artist ever has. He releases commercial product through commercial channels. Your decision to purchase that product completes the transaction. Bryan Ferry does not incur debt because you bought his CD. I'd also like to know where you came up with the term "suffering" support. I've been listening, enjoying, appreciating, promoting and collecting his stuff for 14 years and I haven't suffered. Why have you? - --Grant _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:02:05 -0600 From: "paula brown" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Richard, JohnD, Martin comments RE: Richard's: "Practices that have become traditional within mainstream recording companies are antiquated" John Dillon's: "songs are not like fruits and vegies, cars or VCR's. Time and age are not an issue because they are not material things." Martin's speculation that Love War is Lucy's reply to Bryan's diatribe One of the biggest mistakes record companies ever made was when they began pacing the release of music, particularly that of artists who already had a prior release out. I believe this practice marked the beginning of the end of the Golden Age of Rock N Roll. Before that (think '60s and '70s), music closely mirrored social change. They did it to milk as many sales as possible from the prior release. But when they did that, many albums lost some of their timing and relevance. More importantly, since music not only reflects social change but is also a catalyst for it, it not only slowed down our musical evolution but slowed down the evolution of man. An example would be Led Zeppelin, who had four huge albums out in rapid succession, followed by a double album, because thatbs how much material they had from that period so thatbs how much they released. There were radical changes between the release of Led Zeppelin I and II, between II and III, and between III and IV, which created controversy but ultimately simply led the audience to a more sophisticated musical persective. In the sixties, a representation of just about everything that got recorded was played on the radio, and the music realm was the most influential art on the planet, much like films were to the 1930s. By the early 1980s, the better an album sold, the longer it would be until the next release, as many as three to five years oftentimes, by which time many people had moved on. It was really criminal, and was the accepted practice throughout the industry. The other record industry practice that affected music in a bad way was the practice of "buying" airplay and wholesale buys. The companies solicit both radio and wholesalers, and whoever they get a commitment from first, they use that as leverage to get the other on line. All that is well and good when a release is deserving, but there are probably a thousand crappy releases pushed out this way to every good one. Itbs easy to think, well, the radio will only play whatbs really good, but that isnbt usually the case. Many of them will play whatever is getting them the most money or other benefits, from legitimate advertising to free trips, drugs, and prostitutes, and what draws the least amount of special-interest criticism. Many record buyers are the same way, but theybre not in a position to do as much harm except that they will waste advertising space pushing this horrible product, which is tantamount to endorsing it. All these tactics can and sometimes are used for good, and when that happens, itbs the best business in the world, but the truth is, these tactics are used to some degree on almost every release that comes out. My last point brings me to what is perhaps the worst thing wrong with the music industry: Radio. Radio caters to mediocrity, large demographics. As a result, it offers virtually nothing for the true music affecionado, regardless of genre, because the affecionado is ahead of the curve of popular taste, are, in fact, setting popular taste for the future. These cutting-edge folks are completely on their own when it comes to finding music, and the best music is really sold almost exclusively word of mouth because of it. Many great bands have started off slowly or not at all because of this. A great example is Guns N Roses, who only began getting airplay from a significant number of stations after their video got huge on MTV in the late eighties. In that late eighties period when hard rock made a strong resurgence, I was fortunate enough to be in one of the only towns that had a hard rock/metal station. The station was ZROCK, and the town Dallas. It was really amazing to see what a difference this progressive and brave station made in the social scene in Dallas. For as long as it was broadcasting here, hard rock and metal sales soared and hard rock and metal clubs sprang up and thrived. Every band of the genre made Dallas a priority stop because they knew here they would find good record sales, radio exposure, and choice venues with large audiences. It was a renaissance, like Hollywood in the 30s, turn-of-the-century Paris, and was a very exciting society to be a part of. As quickly as it sprang up, just as quickly it died when the station went off the air. All these generalizations having been said, I can agree with John in that Bryanbs music isnbt as time-sensitive since itbs almost exclusively love songs, which are intrinsically more ageless and since Bryan seems to have the magic touch for ensuring that his music is timeless. Perhaps, only perhaps, that is because he has lent such originality to everything he has done since the very beginning. I agree with Johnbs comment that things matter more to those of us who care enough to seek binside info,b as he put it, than they matter to the general public. As Martin illustrated, timliness does matter some to us because we are very involved fans who would prefer to have some idea what Bryanbs lyrics are referring to. It is for the same reason that we may prefer original material, but we should remember that Bryan wouldnbt have chosen the covers if they did not reflect him in some way. It goes without saying that we all wish there were more frequent releases from Ferry/Roxy, but there webve come full circle back to practical as well as impractical matters involving record companies. We can take comfort in the fact that music is moving forward, finding its own way, as art as always done, as is evidenced by the content on this forum. Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:55:01 -0500 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rejoice Avalonians! (not so long an e-mail) >Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:47:33 EST >From: Chandla911@AOL.COM >Subject: [AVALON] Rejoice Avalonians! (long e-mail) > >I remember a friend going to see Blondie at the Apollo Hammersmith (or >Odeon >as it was then) and being outraged that Eat To The Beat was played in the >same track order - how dare they? Instead of playing more well-known album >tracks and some early hits, they played the new album before they'd let >anyone hear the old stuff! OK, so Robert Fripp came on and they did a cover >of Heroes, so what? As far as my friend was concerned, Blondie had >disappointed by being stubborn enough to think they were going to dictate >the >set list. I never could understand that POV. It sounded like a great gig >with >a great guest at the end and a great cover version was born, but no, he >(and >many others I suspect) didn't like having to listen to new material when >old >was better known. I've heard similar complaints about artists who refuse to meet public expectations, and it always makes the complainer (complaintant?) look like a moron. A good friend of mine was telling me about some of his online friends in Madonna fandom who were boycotting -- their word -- her last tour, not because the tickets were so high or the stage act sounded pretentious and laughable, but because Madonna *dared* to only play two pre-1990 songs. I mean, what a cruel trollop! The concert must assuredly have sucked on that note alone. It's one thing to be disappointed that you didn't hear a personal favorite or two, but at the end of the day, the only way to possibly judge a performance, or an album like Frantic, is to judge it by its contents. Judge it by what it HAS, not what it LACKS. I mean, we didn't get "Mother of Pearl" in Atlanta July 01, and that was a shame, because I would have liked to hear it. But I DID hear ninety minutes of really excellent songs, performed brilliantly and with a lot of energy and commitment. I got my money's worth. And I tend to be more interested in hearing Bryan Ferry perform what he wants to perform rather than indulge public demand. - --Grant _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:10:56 -0600 From: "paula brown" Subject: [AVALON] The Ferry Police >"and then we'll all laugh when your banned from going backstage again by overzealous Ferry management!" I would expect that with the fox hunting debate heating up again, we should expect security to be as tight as they can reasonably afford to have it during the tour when you consider that bitterness is running amuck even among his most avid fan base. Of course, that doesn't mean we can't all sulk and stomp our feet. I know I will.......Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:04:00 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: Fw: [AVALON] 'New Material' From: "One of the Grays" > Am I wrong in getting the impression that you guys are taking the > mickey!? Yes, because that would mean that someone on this list had a sense of humo[u]r. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:15:02 -0600 From: "paula brown" Subject: [AVALON] replies Anyone replying to my long diatribe about the music business or security, please email me on it. Since I just switched from digest to real-time emails on this list, I'm afraid the replies might get caught in the middle. Thanks, Paula ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:09:27 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hi On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, David Squires wrote: > On 24 Feb 2002 at 22:27, bryan o connor wrote: > > > Some of the more intellectual fans of Ferry and Roxy seem to harp on > > about yesteryear but that's the nature of nostalgia. Your opinions get > > clouded by good memories brought about by listening to old records > > which leads you to think that the records are spectacular! > > Errr, quite... It's so true, actually. Spooky--if not surreally ghostly--how well you know exactly how those of us who like the old stuff feel. And it's too bad this magical musical hypnotic technique can't work on old boy/girl/friends. We could make a pile of money. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:07:43 -0800 From: "N. S. Koff" Subject: Re: Fw: [AVALON] 'New Material' At 03:04 PM 2/24/02, you wrote: >From: "One of the Grays" > > > Am I wrong in getting the impression that you guys are taking the > > mickey!? > >Yes, because that would mean that someone on this list had a sense of >humo[u]r. > >Colleen Who? Kick 'em off, right now! Warmest regards, Nick N/P: Moby Grape/Wow! Roxy Trade Page: http://boootlegs.com/roxy.htm Roxy Trade Page - Text Only: http://boootlegs.com/bootxt04.htm Other Trade Stuff: http://boootlegs.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:31:11 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Richard, JohnD, Martin comments On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, paula brown wrote: > One of the biggest mistakes record companies ever made was when they > began pacing the release of music, particularly that of artists who > already had a prior release out. I believe this practice marked the > beginning of the end of the Golden Age of Rock N Roll. Before that > (think '60s and '70s), music closely mirrored social change. They did > it to milk as many sales as possible from the prior release. But when > they did that, many albums lost some of their timing and relevance. > More importantly, since music not only reflects social change but is > also a catalyst for it, it not only slowed down our musical evolution > but slowed down the evolution of man. An example would be Led Zeppelin, > who had four huge albums out in rapid succession, followed by a double > album, because thatbs how much material they had from that period so > thatbs how much they released. There were radical changes between the > release of Led Zeppelin I and II, between II and III, and between III > and IV, which created controversy but ultimately simply led the audience > to a more sophisticated musical persective. I'm not sure I can sign off on the statement that 8 single Led Zeppelin albums would have slowed down the evolution of man twice as much as 4 double albums, nor do I think that the music of the 60s and 70s was necessarily a mirror of or a catalyst for social change. In fact, more people probably knew "Fun, Fun, Fun" or "Bohemian Rhapsody" than any of the more socially significant songs of this time period. (I'd actually argue that the rise of the punk movement in the 1980s allowed for more music which might have had an effect on social evolution than anything before it [save perhaps back in the 1910s or 1930s when true socially revolutionary art was being made], but that's another list].) In any case all of that is neither here nor there as (1) neither Ferry nor Roxy had any interest whatsoever in social change, so any interval in the release of their music--then or now--would have very little impact on the status quo of the world at large, and (2) the delays in getting Mr. Ferry's originals album released in this last decade I suspect had more to do with his not having a record contract than with a desire to milk sales from his last album. Obviously the endless Roxy reissues of the last few years may have played a role in this, but in the end those sales were probably what got Mr. Ferry the chance to release a few new songs. I think what we sometimes forget is that we are in this case dealing with an artist who is very dear to most of us, but who is at best a footnote to the contemporary music world. And, as I keep saying, as the contemporary music world is--as it has been for at least 50 years, if not more--geared to teenagers, there's no shame in that. You can rail against radio and music promoters and the music industry itself, but the fact of the matter is that innovations in technology allow artists like Mr. Ferry to extend his career this far, to keep an energized fan base, and to release albums by circumventing the traditional channels (if one desires--obviously this has not been Mr. Ferry's modus operandi). Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:49:12 -0600 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Richard, JohnD, Martin comments >From: "paula brown" >In that late eighties period when hard rock made a strong resurgence, I was >fortunate enough to be in one of the only towns that had a hard rock/metal >station. The station was ZROCK, and the town Dallas. Hi Paula, If you're still in the DFW area, and interested, there is a new metal format station here. Sorry I don't know the FM number but it should be easy to find. Judy _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:30:37 -0500 From: "One of the Grays" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' Hi Grant, It's good to see that others have an opinion on this subject. First of all, let me say that I have been listening to and watching Bryan Ferry, Roxy Music, Eno, Manzanera, Mackay since they hit the music scene like a ton of bricks in 1971! I have nothing but admiration for his/their music, style and substance. I honestly believe that they set the standard for the future of avant garde music and its presentation to the public. My comments, which seem to have ruffled a few feathers, are strictly personal and no, Mr. Ferry doesn't owe me (he does owe me drink though!) or anyone else anything less than than what he considers to be a self proclamation of satisfaction. I can still recall the days chasing Roxy's limousines through the streets of Glasgow and Edinburgh, not the same night of course! I was just voicing my opinion that it would be nice for Mr. Ferry to release a complete collection of original music, rather than reworks of stuff which, to the "newer" audience, may sound new. Surely even you would agree that vintage Roxy sounds better now that it ever did, so why can't our hero churn out a few more tunnes which will set our hearts on fire? John - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Goggans" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' > >Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:31:14 -0500 > >From: "One of the Grays" > >Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' > > > >Maybe I'm the one who is missing the point here! > > Seems like it. > > > >Sure, Roxy's reunion last year was a great thrill but I was half expecting > >Ferry to come up with at least a dozen or so self penned tunes after 7 or 8 > >years. > > Maybe you should stop "expecting" someone you do not know to "come up with" > anything whatsoever for you, unless they're working to a personal commission > from you. > > >I can understand the "newer" Ferry followers listening to revamped > >songs from hasbeens like Dylan... > > That's quite all right. Seems to me some folks on this list have been > listening to Bryan Ferry for about three decades and they'll be listening to > the same revamped songs as the "newer" followers. > > >but I think he owes us something for our long > >and suffering support! > > You are wrong. Bryan Ferry has never owed you anything. No artist ever > has. He releases commercial product through commercial channels. Your > decision to purchase that product completes the transaction. Bryan Ferry > does not incur debt because you bought his CD. > > I'd also like to know where you came up with the term "suffering" support. > I've been listening, enjoying, appreciating, promoting and collecting his > stuff for 14 years and I haven't suffered. Why have you? > > --Grant > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 16:42:33 -0800 From: "N. S. Koff" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' At 04:30 PM 2/24/02, you wrote: >Hi Grant, > >It's good to see that others have an opinion on this subject. > >First of all, let me say that I have been listening to and watching Bryan >Ferry, Roxy Music, Eno, Manzanera, Mackay since they hit the music scene >like a ton of bricks in 1971! I have nothing but admiration for his/their >music, style and substance. I honestly believe that they set the standard >for the future of avant garde music and its presentation to the public. My >comments, which seem to have ruffled a few feathers, are strictly personal >and no, Mr. Ferry doesn't owe me (he does owe me drink though!) or anyone >else anything less than than what he considers to be a self proclamation of >satisfaction. >I can still recall the days chasing Roxy's limousines through the streets of >Glasgow and Edinburgh, not the same night of course! >I was just voicing my opinion that it would be nice for Mr. Ferry to release >a complete collection of original music, rather than reworks of stuff which, >to the "newer" audience, may sound new. > >Surely even you would agree that vintage Roxy sounds better now that it ever >did, so why can't our hero churn out a few more tunnes which will set our >hearts on fire? > Why do you suppose the recent tour was comprised mostly of material from the first 3 or 4 albums? Warmest regards, Nick N/P: Grape Jam / Moby Grape Roxy Trade Page: http://boootlegs.com/roxy.htm Roxy Trade Page - Text Only: http://boootlegs.com/bootxt04.htm Other Trade Stuff: http://boootlegs.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:05:36 -0600 From: "paula brown" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' You've not ruffled my feathers. I think we'd all love to see as many originals as Mr. Ferry wishes to slide our way! Paula - ----- Original Message ----- From: One of the Grays Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:36 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' >"I was just voicing my opinion that it would be nice for Mr. Ferry to release a complete collection of original music, rather than reworks of stuff which, to the "newer" audience, may sound new." ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:57:32 -0500 From: "One of the Grays" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' - ----- Original Message ----- From: "N. S. Koff" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' > At 04:30 PM 2/24/02, you wrote: > >Hi Grant, > > > >It's good to see that others have an opinion on this subject. > > > >First of all, let me say that I have been listening to and watching Bryan > >Ferry, Roxy Music, Eno, Manzanera, Mackay since they hit the music scene > >like a ton of bricks in 1971! I have nothing but admiration for his/their > >music, style and substance. I honestly believe that they set the standard > >for the future of avant garde music and its presentation to the public. My > >comments, which seem to have ruffled a few feathers, are strictly personal > >and no, Mr. Ferry doesn't owe me (he does owe me drink though!) or anyone > >else anything less than than what he considers to be a self proclamation of > >satisfaction. > >I can still recall the days chasing Roxy's limousines through the streets of > >Glasgow and Edinburgh, not the same night of course! > >I was just voicing my opinion that it would be nice for Mr. Ferry to release > >a complete collection of original music, rather than reworks of stuff which, > >to the "newer" audience, may sound new. > > > >Surely even you would agree that vintage Roxy sounds better now that it ever > >did, so why can't our hero churn out a few more tunes which will set our > >hearts on fire? > > > > Why do you suppose the recent tour was comprised mostly of material from > the first 3 or 4 albums? > Nick, perhaps you should ask Messrs. Ferry, Manzanera and Mackay that question but I would hazard a guess that the music from those albums are synonimous with what Roxy Music were/are about, original, outlandish...and down right brilliant! > Warmest regards, > > Nick > > N/P: Grape Jam / Moby Grape > > Roxy Trade Page: http://boootlegs.com/roxy.htm > Roxy Trade Page - Text Only: http://boootlegs.com/bootxt04.htm > Other Trade Stuff: http://boootlegs.com/ > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 01:13:54 -0000 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: [AVALON] Ferry: 'Ich Bin Ein Hamburger' Ferry: 'Ich Bin Ein Hamburger' Hi everyone, I've received a press release from a German agency. My German is not good, but here's the gist of it. Please allow for my translation and the inevitable spin. Ferry recently spent time in Hamburg, giving interviews to the German media, including a major interview for Stern, and also for Bunte and TR7. His plane had some technical problems on the flight over. He was accompanied by an assistant, Katie, a dancer on the Roxy tour, who added glamour to the occasion and who recorded all of the interviews on Digicam for a prospective documentary. Ferry gave some spirited and open interviews, and charmed the German media. The general impression given was that Frantic exemplifies the Roxy and Ferry back catalogue without repeating any of it. There was praise for the 'ironic' One Way Love' and for San Simeon, about which Ferry confirmed the connection to the Hearst residence when asked by journalist Ann Thorer. The 'medieval' intro to Fool For Love (I take this to be Ja Nun Hons Pris) also excited attention, as did the Eno collaboration 'I Thought'. Ferry spoke of his songs as paintings, with each song having an individual colour-hue, a metaphor appreciated by the press. Apparently the highlight of the occasion was a spontaneous acoustic piano session by the Great Man in the restaurant, which was recorded for C.O.P. (TV) Ferry and his guests later enjoyed an amusing dinner in the CUNEO restaurant at which his British humour was much in evidence. (I'm sure it's a lovely place, but a quick Internet search turned up this picture of the CUNEO here - http://www.hamburg-hafenrand.de/david.htm - which makes it look extraordinarily like a Gentleman's urinal - complete with queue - and describes it as being placed amongst the sex shops and porno theatres of the district of St Pauli!) If there is a German speaker here who would like to make a more accurate translation, please contact me offline. Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:22:31 EST From: CoconutTears@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] Frantic Reviews Looks like the floodgates are opening. I have checked J O'B's site and found not only his review, but also a short one from Jam Music and the Virgin press release. Pavlov's dogs are hungry! Karen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 04:02:39 +0100 From: "Kari Solberg" Subject: [AVALON] 'New Material' Christian commented on 'One of the Grays': >Maybe there is something I don't get because English is not my mother >tongue, but are you really saying Ferry is a bad singer? I have not >heard/read it for the first time, but I am *very* puzzled to read it on this >list. And it's surprising no-one seems to object. ..but I simply thought it too weird, Christian, that someone on this list really think Bryan's singing is BAD! I mean, if I had shared this opinion I would never have been here! I have tried to imagine how annoying it must be to have a bad singer interfere with this beautiful music all the time!....and to think of all this old new stuff we are expecting in the near future, and that this voice will contribute to this too, it cannot be much to looking forward to! Well, I'm so heartfelt happy I have no problem with Bryan's voice! No other singer has made me listen so carefully to the lyrics. All the feelings he is able to put into each song, makes every word count! The sound of his voice makes me feel comfortable, it makes me smile, it touches me and he moves me like no other singer has ever done! ...or is it just me ;-D ...and Christian.... Kari ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #64 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest