From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V7 #63 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, February 24 2002 Volume 07 : Number 063 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Frantic Antic's ["Martin Stockman" ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic Antic's ["Philip Adams" ] Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' [Aleks Kocan ] Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' ["One of the Grays" ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic Antic's ["Han Snijders" ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic Antic's [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] Rejoice Avalonians! (long e-mail) [Chandla911@AOL.COM] Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' [Aleks Kocan ] Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] SOTW: "Same Old Blues" [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Thank You, Arnie! [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Not Quite 'Total Recall' [KWil632057@AOL.COM] Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Help Me" [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Frantic : a Review [KB Porter ] Re: Fw: [AVALON] 'New Material' [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Fw: My 2 Cents [KB Porter ] Re: Fw: [AVALON] 'New Material' [KWil632057@AOL.COM] [AVALON] FAO Lee Sullivan ["ncjones.lewis2" ] Re: [AVALON] Rejoice Avalonians! (long e-mail) [KB Porter ] Re: Fw: [AVALON] 'New Material' ["One of the Grays" ] [AVALON] FRANTIC: Something Old / Something New ? [] Re: [AVALON] FRANTIC: Something Old / Something New ? ["Judy Kaufman" ] Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' ["Christian H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic Antic's You're right Chris. Although who's to say he didn't try it this way round first ? (When these frames get turned to the wall you never know what mood you'll be in when you pick up the brushes again.) Certainly an interesting window on hos process. For my taste both options slightly jar with the rest of the song, seeming equally strangely supplanted. In Love War I thought this refrain was Lucy's reply to Bryan's diatribe, yet, dropped into the gorgeous Fool it becomes more reflective, more everyman. - ---------- From: "Chris Turner" Love War does appear in part. The middle eight has been transplanted into Fool For Love in what I believe car dealers call a 'cut and shut'. Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr Avalon" To: Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 7:10 PM Subject: [AVALON] Frantic Antic's > P>S. Who is responsible for leaving the best song Bryan > has ever written offf of FRANTIC? Do they want him to fail? > DO THEY? Help Mr Avalon get to the bottom of this. > P.S.S. That is "Love War" for the 3 of you who don't know. > > > _____________________________________________ > Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! > http://www.MyOwnEmail.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 04:48:55 -0800 (PST) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' - --- KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > What has been utterly ignored by those members of > the list who are grumbling > about the fact that the songs are less than recent > is that to most people > they are new songs. I'd rather get a load of "older" songs released, maybe to be followed up by an album of "new" songs. If there is a heavy involvement with Dave Stewart, I'd guess that quite a few of the tunes will have a "funky" feel. I've heard some of Stewarts solo stuff and it certainly is "different" from main-stream dross. I really do think that the Stewart/Ferry collaboration will produce some realy good tracks Aleks Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:40:59 -0000 From: "Philip Adams" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic Antic's lets have no more talk of "Frantic" until we all get a chance to hear the songs Philip - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Stockman" To: Sent: 24 February 2002 10:03 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic Antic's > You're right Chris. Although who's to say he didn't try it this way round > first ? (When these frames get turned to the wall you never know what mood > you'll be in when you pick up the brushes again.) Certainly an interesting > window on hos process. For my taste both options slightly jar with the rest > of the song, seeming equally strangely supplanted. In Love War I thought > this refrain was Lucy's reply to Bryan's diatribe, yet, dropped into the > gorgeous Fool it becomes more reflective, more everyman. > > ---------- > From: "Chris Turner" > > Love War does appear in part. The middle eight has been transplanted into > Fool For Love in what I believe car dealers call a 'cut and shut'. > > Chris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mr Avalon" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 7:10 PM > Subject: [AVALON] Frantic Antic's > > > > > > P>S. Who is responsible for leaving the best song Bryan > > has ever written offf of FRANTIC? Do they want him to fail? > > DO THEY? Help Mr Avalon get to the bottom of this. > > P.S.S. That is "Love War" for the 3 of you who don't know. > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! > > http://www.MyOwnEmail.com > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 05:02:08 -0800 (PST) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' - --- One of the Grays wrote: > I think Ferry would gain more respect and admiration > from "new" fans by > recording something original rather than a bunch of > songs that my mother can > remember way back in the 70's or whenever! I don't think it makes any difference, if a track is quality, then who cares who wrote it in the first place. Sure it would be nice to have a whole album of Ferry penned songs, but to me it about what a song sounds like rather than who wrote it. "new" fans probably won't even remember the original versions by Dylan or whoever. To me even when Bryan has recorded a cover, the song to me has always been a "Ferry" song, rather than "Ferry sings Dylan" or whatever. Aleks Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:31:14 -0500 From: "One of the Grays" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' Maybe I'm the one who is missing the point here! Sure, Roxy's reunion last year was a great thrill but I was half expecting Ferry to come up with at least a dozen or so self penned tunes after 7 or 8 years. I can understand the "newer" Ferry followers listening to revamped songs from hasbeens like Dylan but I think he owes us something for our long and suffering support! PS: I know Dylan is regarded as an icon in some reaches but the guy is as bad a singer as Ferry, although our Bryan seems to carry it off when he sings "his" tunes! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aleks Kocan" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' > --- One of the Grays wrote: > > I think Ferry would gain more respect and admiration > > from "new" fans by > > recording something original rather than a bunch of > > songs that my mother can > > remember way back in the 70's or whenever! > > I don't think it makes any difference, if a track is > quality, then who cares who wrote it in the first > place. > > Sure it would be nice to have a whole album of Ferry > penned songs, but to me it about what a song sounds > like rather than who wrote it. > > "new" fans probably won't even remember the original > versions by Dylan or whoever. > > To me even when Bryan has recorded a cover, the song > to me has always been a "Ferry" song, rather than > "Ferry sings Dylan" or whatever. > > Aleks > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:46:18 +0100 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic Antic's Why? I would like to get a review for every track from all the people who already ha the opportunity to hear the album....Chris? Han - ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: Philip Adams Aan: Verzonden: zondag 24 februari 2002 13:40 Onderwerp: Re: [AVALON] Frantic Antic's > lets have no more talk of "Frantic" until we all get a chance to hear the > songs ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:46:15 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic Antic's On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Philip Adams wrote: > lets have no more talk of "Frantic" until we all get a chance to hear > the songs How about the folks who are discussing it put "SPOILER" in the message header? That way those who want to read can read, and those who want to ignore can ignore. Queen Solomon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 08:47:33 EST From: Chandla911@AOL.COM Subject: [AVALON] Rejoice Avalonians! (long e-mail) There has been so much snipping (Cyberspace word) going on of late where one faction thinks BF needs to remove digits from orifices and the others are just glad that tablets of stone are being handed down. I mean to snipe at neither (nor do I think these polarities are all-encompassing), but my view is this. No artist or performer is obliged to perform material to order. Sure, the commercial success is going to be dependent on the 'right' selection of material but no one obliges artists to perform this song or that one. Nor should they feel they can try. I remember a friend going to see Blondie at the Apollo Hammersmith (or Odeon as it was then) and being outraged that Eat To The Beat was played in the same track order - how dare they? Instead of playing more well-known album tracks and some early hits, they played the new album before they'd let anyone hear the old stuff! OK, so Robert Fripp came on and they did a cover of Heroes, so what? As far as my friend was concerned, Blondie had disappointed by being stubborn enough to think they were going to dictate the set list. I never could understand that POV. It sounded like a great gig with a great guest at the end and a great cover version was born, but no, he (and many others I suspect) didn't like having to listen to new material when old was better known. At the end of the day, the reasons why one artists sells more albums or fills more seats must include the programming of material. If they choose the wrong material, people will stay away in droves. But I think this can lead to really precious situations where an album or evening's concert will be a secret pleasure I can share with tens of other people, but the rest of the world remains unaware. For instance, I love Brian Eno (who most people know enough about to judge whether they like him or not) but equally enjoy ROGER Eno. His albums include some of the most sublime music (and sleeves) but the vast majority of people are oblivious. Does this make the music less enjoyable? Do Russell Mills' (no relation, although he was once a neighbour and we've enjoyed a jar or two) artworks pale into insignificance because people don't know them? Basically, the popularity or the marketing or the 'clothing' of music is not related to the quality of the music. As for Frantic, should we care when the music dates from? Or how many re-polishes the songs have had since they were first recorded? At least, they are releasing this album! One of the most STUPID situations last year was the rejection of Bowie's Toy album, where he recorded full-band line-up versions of songs from the 60s, his own compositions, some previously issued and some unknown, by his record company. Whoever thought David Bowie would have problems releasing albums when he offered them? This is the man whose record companies in the past have re-issued Laughing Gnome, stood by him when he went all Neukoln on us and then allowed Tin Machine to machinate. I for one (and I suspect Simon@jazzFM is with me) would have loved to walk into a shop and pay money - OK I'd have mail ordered it - for a copy of Bowie re-working material he first did 35 years ago. And here we are with nothing better to do than carp about the fact that this BF material first saw the light of day five years ago. Who cares? If they are brilliant, let's enjoy each and every song. If they're pants, let's hope for an upturn next time. But at least Virgin are releasing it (it is them who're releasing it, isn't it?). As far as I know, there are no deals being struck or unstruck where Ferry needs to do yet another covers album before they bring this one out (although ATGB may have been that album, which could explain some of the delay). Elsewhere Bowie and Rod Stewart look for new options on how to get their albums out there... All of this in a musical climate where pop artists live or die by the sales of their current product (sic). If the Beatles had been forced to find success in the Hamburg days, they'd never have got around to releasing a second album. If Bowie was issuing TMWSTW in 2002, he'd have been dropped and we'd not hear anything that followed because he'd have gone into A&R (the graveyard for many a fallen Pop Idol). So let's rejoice, indeed. It's 2002, Bryan Ferry is not far off 60 years old (not really) and a major record company is releasing his 'new' album. Hallelujah! Just think, there MUST be another way of repackaging Roxy/BF tracks. Maybe just a different order? The industry that expects everyone to enter singles charts at number one every week, sell truck loads of albums to retain their contracts and appear on daft TV shows to promote the 'product' is strangling creativity. Bryan Ferry is offering up an album that features all-new releases (to all those but a few who have never heard any of these tracks in any legitimate form) in the year 2002. Let's not worry too much if it reaches a mass audience, for that is not the be all and end all of music. Let's just enjoy it when we get to hear it and luxuriate in the warmth of some artistry in the 21st century (or even get nostalgic for the recordings from the end of the last one!). Best wishes Richard Mills n/p Michael Parkinson BBC Radio 2 (playing some very old music indeed and trailing an interview NEXT week with Marianne Faithful) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 05:48:33 -0800 (PST) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' - --- One of the Grays wrote: > Sure, Roxy's reunion last year was a great thrill > but I was half expecting > Ferry to come up with at least a dozen or so self > penned tunes after 7 or 8 > years. I can understand the "newer" Ferry followers > listening to revamped > songs from hasbeens like Dylan but I think he owes > us something for our long > and suffering support! Well, I guess that I would have expected Ferry to come up with some more new songs, but personally, it doesn't make that much difference to me. Ferry has a track record of including cover versions, so it doesn't really come as much of a surprise to me. Maybe I'm in the minority when I say that I haven't even heard the "original" versions of a lot of Ferry's cover tracks. Maybe thats the reason why to me they are "Ferry songs". At the risk of being controversial, I don't think that Bryan "owes us" anything at all - I'm quite happy with what we're getting. We'll see if it's any good when it gets released. Plus....there was mention that Ferry may be touring, sound pretty good to me - "new" Album and Tour - I'll quite happliy settle for that. Aleks Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:08:04 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, One of the Grays wrote: > Maybe I'm the one who is missing the point here! Maybe! > Sure, Roxy's reunion last year was a great thrill but I was half > expecting Ferry to come up with at least a dozen or so self penned tunes > after 7 or 8 years. I can understand the "newer" Ferry followers > listening to revamped songs from hasbeens like Dylan but I think he owes > us something for our long and suffering support! Many people owe me many things (a sampling: an apology, an explanation, $5.50, the recipe for sticky toffee pudding [in the English sense]), but Mr. Ferry's name does not appear on my I.O.U. list. My relationship with him is simple: he is not obligated to consult me prior to releasing a record and I am not obligated to like it. If you believe Mr. Ferry owes you something perhaps you should contact his solicitors. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:14:38 -0500 (EST) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] SOTW: "Same Old Blues" The song of the what/whenever is "Same Old Blues" from _The Bride Stripped Bare_. As before the discussion is open to anything related to the song, and these are only suggestions: love it? hate it? lyrics/music it changed my life live vs. studio version(s) (if applicable) the video (if any) that reminds me... The Same Old Blues (Cale) Have you heard that rumour That's going around? You got another man Way across town It's the same old story Tell me when does it end? Yes I heard the news It's the same old blues again Well I wrote you a letter You must have read it wrong I stood at your doorway Ah, but you were gone I took a lot of time And let your telephone ring It's the same old blues The same old blues again When you give me the business Well it didn't mind Cause I've got a lot of patience And I got a lot of time It's the same old story Tell me when does it end? It's the same old blues The same old blues again I said it's the same old blues The same old blues again I'm gonna find me a mountain I'm gonna hide out I ain't talking to you And I ain't yet coming out Cause I heard that rumour Tell me where does it end? Yes I heard the news It's the same old blues again Cause I said it's the same old blues The same old blues again ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:22:01 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Thank You, Arnie! You have proven to be an individual of high caliber. You are a gentleman. Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:29:23 EST From: KWil632057@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Not Quite 'Total Recall' Why does the Total Recall video ignore Bride Stripped Bare? Jonathan n/p Same Old Blues ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:41:19 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Help Me" Help me for the capital sin I am about to incur; regardless of the method that transforms man, there are certain universal truths exposed throughout time. Forget Cronenberg's "The Fly", forget Kafka's "The Metamorphosis": The fly here is straight from Bram Stoker's "Dracula"! 'I'm a prisoner to the night Life is hell in the light of the day But where do I hide from myself The shadow closes in There's nowhere I can run to ...' 'I'm a victim of the night Sold my soul, is it ever gonna pay? I beg you now, save me from myself Time is closing in There's no one I can turn to ...' Where Love is Blood; and there's a power in blood, a danger in blood, but he needs blood to help him find his way. So this is your invitation - 'I'm a stranger far from home, won't you help me Gotta find where I belong, help me 'Cause I don't wanna be alone, don't wanna be Gotta find a way to home, help me' To share in the zoophagous lifestyle: 'Bricks without a mortar Tearing me apart It turns me upside down The night time into day Wake me in the morning Tell me from the heart That I need love to help me find a way' But the REAL message here is, (and Renfield instinctively knew) "that you are able to catch more flies with sugar". Pass the chloral, please. Once said of Tchaikovsky, but easily applied to Ferry - "was he the tortured soul who poured out his immortal longings into dignified passages of stately music, or was he just an old pouf who wrote tunes?" Morpheus, later. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:46:46 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Frantic : a Review Christian: The drill is revving up for action! But we need to know - is it safe!? [ (Martins hint at the (BF) original was mouth-watering! Well you know where I am if it all kicks off! Neil Jones ] ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:52:25 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: Fw: [AVALON] 'New Material' Colleen makes me Laugh Out Loud: "What would you have us do? Boycott the album? Set up picket lines at the concerts? Wag our fingers at Mr. Ferry as we pass him in the street? Shut down Wall Street for a day? Go backstage after the show and tell him how much he's disappointed us?" I like this last idea very much! Next time BF visit's our area, let's do just that - Go backstage after the show and tell him how much he's disappointed us! I can see it now, Colleen - the look on his face would be priceless!!!! Best wishes. KBP, still LOL ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:59:12 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fw: My 2 Cents Hear, Here!! "I'm just happy the guy is out there and still doing it. Rejoice Avalonians!" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:53:13 EST From: KWil632057@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Fw: [AVALON] 'New Material' and then we'll all laugh when your banned from going backstage again by overzealous Ferry management! J In a message dated 24/02/02 14:50:36 GMT Standard Time, kbporte@attglobal.net writes: > I like this last idea very much! Next time BF visit's our > area, let's do just that - Go backstage after the show and > tell him how much he's disappointed us! I can see it now, > Colleen - the look on his face would be priceless!!!! > > Best wishes. KBP, still LOL ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:05:56 -0000 From: "ncjones.lewis2" Subject: [AVALON] FAO Lee Sullivan Hi Lee. Glad to hear that you are providing the artwork for the BBCi Death Comes to Time serial, I just wondered if you were going to sneak in some RM/BF references as you did on some of your previous projects? But please....no Phil Collins this time! Regards Neil Jones ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:41:47 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rejoice Avalonians! (long e-mail) Dear Richard: I appreciate your statements and do agree. There is but one thought I'd like to raise. When the Industrial Revolution occurred, a way of life changed. The iron horse overtook the wagon train, and the horseless carriage largely replaced the horse and buggy. We are fortunate to be living through a new evolution; that of information and technology. We must either adapt to the change or die as one presumes the dinosaurs did. Case in point: Practices that have become traditional within mainstream recording companies are antiquated. These traditional practices no longer efficiently service the functions they were originally set up to serve. Record companies, artists, consumers who do not embrace and effectively use the emergent technology will die on the vine. Therefore, I submit, any argument pertaining to traditional recording practices without consideration given to new pioneering pathways is myopic (and please do not think I am dissing your fine argument). Mr. Ferry, et al, need to embrace a newer, more effective method of production and distribution with respect to their wares. As far as I am concerned, if the ol' dogs don't learn new tricks, we are all the poorer for it. So let's give the dogs a bone, a pat on the head, and see how the tail can wave. Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:51:07 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: Fw: [AVALON] 'New Material' "and then we'll all laugh when your banned from going backstage again by overzealous Ferry management!" You mean after the Ferry Police Security Force has us chained and bound? I don't know if that would make Ferry rethink his position with us or not - do you? ;0) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:47:22 -0500 From: "One of the Grays" Subject: Re: Fw: [AVALON] 'New Material' Am I wrong in getting the impression that you guys are taking the mickey!? I don't mind one or two cover versions, let's see: These Foolish Things, all covers, Another Time...9 out of 10,covers, Let's Stick Together, all covers, albeit 5 are Roxy covers, and damn good to boot! In Your Mind, now there's a novelty, excellent originals! The Bride Stripped Bare, 4 out of 10, originals , not bad Bryan. Then we go through a spell of a couple of great (original) Ferry albums, Boys And Girls, Bete Noire, Mamouna (Taxi being the exception, again 9 out of 10 covers). All I'm saying is that with the songwriting talent that Ferry has, it would be nice to hear a full session of original songs! As I said, I will no doubt buy the CD and go backstage at the next Toronto concert, if I'm not on the "banned" list by then! - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 9:53 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [AVALON] 'New Material' > and then we'll all laugh when your banned from going backstage again by > overzealous Ferry management! > > J > > > > In a message dated 24/02/02 14:50:36 GMT Standard Time, kbporte@attglobal.net > writes: > > > > I like this last idea very much! Next time BF visit's our > > area, let's do just that - Go backstage after the show and > > tell him how much he's disappointed us! I can see it now, > > Colleen - the look on his face would be priceless!!!! > > > > Best wishes. KBP, still LOL > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:11:54 -0000 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: [AVALON] Fw: Frantic Ban I think we should abstain from discussing the new album until we have actually heard it ( 15th April to all but the privaleged few ), then all this nonsence will be put into perspective, as I hope a great album hits the decks. Terry "O" Patiently waiting & automatically deleting all posts to do with "Frantic" unread. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 09:53:49 -0800 (PST) From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] New Single Track Listing Manzanera & Mackay had an album called 'Up In Smoke' like the Cheech and Chong movie. - --- Keith Shockley wrote: > Smoke Dreams? Wasn't that a Cheech and Chong movie? *** ===== Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:10:18 -0500 From: Subject: [AVALON] FRANTIC: Something Old / Something New ? Hello All and Greetings to All Well now that spring is here and I am out of hibernation: You'll pardon me for saying so, but this "these are old songs" gambit is now itself, a bit old. I imagine that factually speaking one could say some of these songs may have seen their first inception five or more years ago, but they have since been reworked (after the last tour) and in some cases new personal have been brought in to supplement / change some of the tracks. This is nothing new and has happened before. The only difference now is we, as a group, are around to find out about such ancillary "inside" inf. and, (with no disrespect to anyone's opinions) given such unlimited "air time", have decide to go on and on and on about such a "non issue". Slave to Love was originally written during IYM sessions and "gulp", eight years later is reworked and when finally released, becomes an international hit. The Only Face", which had been sited as being written years before Mamouna was released, is four years later reworked and it's live performance shines as among the highlights of the 99 ATGB tour. On a personal note for me, Carrickfergus was one of the highlights of both the Mamouina and ATGB tours and that song is so old no one even knows when the hell it was written. You know what though? It still sounded great. My point is songs are not like fruits and vegies, cars or VCR's. Time and age are not an issue because they are not material things. You wouldn't say, "I have some great tunes in my car. Want to see them?" They only exist in the moment they are performed and heard. So personally speaking I don't care if our Mr. Ferry provides us with a song he wrote just yesterday or one he used to "tap out" on the steering wheel of his Studebaker 30 + years ago. I just want to hear "that sound" again. You know "the sound" I talking about don't you, it's why we are hopefully all here. All the best John Dillon PS: Damn, but that was a great tour. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:11:48 -0800 From: "mark shanahan" Subject: [AVALON] something old, something new, something ferry new _______________________________________________________________ Get the FREE email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com <-----Original Message-----> >From: Dixon's Blackburn >Actually, I quite like this finger-wagging idea. It sounds like fun! Given >that we probably don't see him in the streets much, maybe we could all do it >to Bryan when we see him live. It would give him something to talk about >after the show. ("That's the third country in a row that's done that. Have I >missed something?") LOL! i think that this is the best idea yet. all of you avalonians who feel you've been shortchanged stand up! go on your hunger strike now! vive la risistance! beat the system. mais oui ...! btw, chris - unfortunately - is right; the cover artwork *is* up on virgin germany's site. wow. anyway, this also was there (apologies for any redundancy): "A DVD of Roxy Music4s final show at Hammersmith Odeon 2nd /October/2001 is planned for release" i too am - disappointed is possibly too strong a word - surprised this forthcoming album isn't going to be _all-original_. but, you know - we're dealing with bryan ferry here. he has been known to do a few covers before. it's not exactly as if that was impossible to see coming around the corner. get over it!!! this is a dead thread. and - hey - discuss 'frantic' all you want. it's supposed to be a discussion list. i just hope martino has all of our addresses so he can send us copies. that's all. peaces/ms ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:24:50 -0800 (PST) From: David Firmin Subject: [AVALON] Spedding Bootleg No money for him, but nice cover art. I posted the pic here: http://www.chrisspedding.com/bbs/imgboard.cgi p.s. Chris says it's cool... David *** Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:55:00 -0600 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] FRANTIC: Something Old / Something New ? >From: >Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:10:18 -0500 >So personally speaking I don't care if our Mr. Ferry provides us with a >song >he wrote just yesterday or one he used to "tap out" on the steering wheel >of >his Studebaker 30 + years ago. >I just want to hear "that sound" again. You know "the sound" I talking >about don't you, it's why we are hopefully all here. AMEN! Judy (who would buy BF's box-set recitation of the phone books of China.) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:06:41 -0600 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' >From: "One of the Grays" >I think he owes us something for our long >and suffering support! He owes us nothing. If you don't like it, you discontinue your patronage of his artistic output. > as bad a singer as Ferry, although our Bryan seems to carry > it >off when he sings "his" tunes! You need to pull out ATAP, Bride, and Taxi and listen to the folling in this order: Help Me Make It Through The Night Take Me To The River Girl Of My Best Friend If you still say BF can't sing, you might consider a hearing test. Judy _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:17:15 +0000 From: "Christian H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' - ---------- >Von: "One of the Grays" >An: >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] 'New Material' >Datum: Son, 24. Feb 2002 13:31 Uhr > >PS: I know Dylan is regarded as an icon in some reaches but the guy is as >bad a singer as Ferry, although our Bryan seems to carry it off when he >sings "his" tunes! Maybe there is something I don't get because English is not my mother tongue, but are you really saying Ferry is a bad singer? I have not heard/read it for the first time, but I am *very* puzzled to read it on this list. And it's surprising no-one seems to object. Ferry is not a seven octave wonder, but his voice stylisation & phrasing is unique and his voice has got a tone colour moving enough for me to make him my favourite singer ever. I wonder, why do you like Ferry and Roxy Music when you consider Ferry a bad singer, even though he 'manages' to sing his tunes? I don't want to sound bitchy, I am just very bemused... Christian ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V7 #63 *************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest