From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #569 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, December 12 2001 Volume 06 : Number 569 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Martini Bachelor Pad [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Start wrong [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Start rite? ["Douglas Robertson" ] [AVALON] Looking for Bryan Ferry trades [Richard Batty ] [AVALON] also Eno [Susan Stekel ] Re: [AVALON] Eno live with James [neeek@wgn.net] Re: [AVALON] Eno live with James [Heather James ] Re: [AVALON] Eno live with James [neeek@wgn.net] Re: [AVALON] Eno live with James [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Tour 2001 live or Memorex ?? [Heather James Subject: Re: [AVALON] Martini Bachelor Pad Pete laments, "Give me a Newcastle or a Samuel Smith's anyday. Well I must not be the typical Bryan Ferry fan. Oh Yeah and I'm married too, so much for the bachelor pad angle." Dear Pete: I understand Bryan Ferry's favored brew is a Guinness, and Oh Yeah, he's married too. Looks like BF "must not be the typical Bryan Ferry fan", either! :-) But since you mentioned an article "Rat Pack still unmatched in cool" that reference's Ferry work as an example or type of Rat Pack imagery, it is only appropriate that our group examine, discuss this parallel. First, some background is needed: What is the Rat Pack? "Back in the old days, Humphrey Bogart and his wife Lauren Bacall, along with their friends Judy Garland and Husband Sid Luft, actor David Niven, songwriter Jimmy Van Husuen, and a young Frank Sinatra, spent their weekend evenings socializing around town at all the "In" places and hot spots. They affectionately called their group "The Rat Pack Of Holmby Hills". (Holmby Hills is an exclusive area in Los Angeles.) When Bogey passed on, Frank missed the fun of being with his friends, and slowly started his own group to continue the tradition. Partying with best friends Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr., Peter Lawford, Joey Bishop, and sometimes Shirley Maclaine and Angie Dickenson ....." And what images survive the Rat Pack? Stereotypically, they're well-dressed, good-looking and never seen without a drink in their hands - class-act 'fellas', drinking excessively and womanizing 'broads'. Actually, each member of the Rat Pack was a multi-talented entertainer. Singers, writers, dancers, and actors, the Rat Pack's most lauded film is "Oceans 11" released in 1960 by Warner Brothers. Why the renewed interest in the Rat Pack? The resurgent interest has been categorized as a "strange pop-culture phenomena", a 'throw-back' to a simpler time when gender roles were very narrowly and distinctly defined. Overwhelmingly, the driving force thought to sustain interest in the Rat Pack was its sense of style. Designer Mossimo has said, "I am inspired by them for what I do in clothing. There was a casual elegance about those guys. They weren't over-the-top flamboyant. Their whole vibe was very cool. Those guys were dapper, always." It seems, the Rat Pack is collectively remembered for their 'cool', and the individuals who comprised the Rat Pack are known lesser for their singing and movies. Once again pop culture elevates appearance over substance. A portion of Bryan Ferry's work could be viewed as Rat Pack - martini bachelor pad - music. But what part(s), and why? I'll leave that you and others to exposi. Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:29:32 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Start wrong "It wasn't even a case of the creatives wanting to meet Ferry, they didn't think much of him prior to the shoot and delighted in telling me what an awkward git he had been on the day ..." And you work with this bunch of 'creatives'? Good luck!!! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:31:03 -0000 From: "Douglas Robertson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Start rite? If you want some i can send them over on a Ferry ?. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 4:12 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Start rite? > Besides, I don't think you can get Startrite shoes in the US easily ... > > > > You're not wrong Heather, but with a little help from a search engine you'll > find they are available in the US from www.expatshopping.com!! > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:42:20 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Eno live with James James played their final date with singer Tim Booth last night at Wembley Arena and Eno joined them on stage lending his vocal talents to a couple of songs. That's all! SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:08:13 -0800 From: Richard Batty Subject: [AVALON] Looking for Bryan Ferry trades Hi, I'm new to the list but a long time Bryan Ferry fan. I have a lot of CDRs to trade for artists such as Clapton, Springsteen, U2, Dire Straits, Knopfler, Al Stewart and many others. I would like to get some Bryan Ferry shows from the 1988 to 1999 period. Please email me off-list if you are interested. Many thanks - Rick ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:25:11 -0600 From: Susan Stekel Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno live with James At 05:42 PM 12/12/01 +0000, you wrote: >James played their final date with singer Tim Booth last night at Wembley Arena and Eno joined them on stage lending his vocal talents to a couple of songs. And this from the man who hates performing live so much that Roxy didn't consider asking him to rejoin them ... No, sarcasm aside: I suspect Eno likes performing live when he can do the one-off, without having to commit to night after night for months on end. His interests seem too diverse for him to commit to much of anything for too long. And I'm not speaking just musically: through my background in electronic records management/preservation, I'm aware of his participation in the Time and Bits project, i.e. a group of "digital gurus" who meet from time to time to discuss issues of digital preservation and longevity. Anyone know of other activities of his, outside of the musical world? Is he still producing perfume? Susan [who is constantly bemused, intrigued, and baffled by this man] ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:28:29 -0600 From: Susan Stekel Subject: [AVALON] also Eno And as a p.s.: He released "Drawn from Life" this past year, though it met with little discussion on this list. In part I suspect because it coincided with the anticipation of The Tour, but also because it rated, in my opinion, a resounding "eeehhhhh" ... Anyone else been listening to this? S. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:47:50 -0800 From: neeek@wgn.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno live with James Over the course of getting acquainted with all of these shows from 82-83 and 2001, I have noticed that, with very few exceptions, the playlist for each and every show of the two tours is nearly identical. For example, in 82-83 "A Song For Europe" was almost always played before "Take A Chance With Me" but occasionally it was played after. In 2001 "Virginia Plain" was added occasionally, as was "Mother of Pearl", but those were the few, if not the only variables, as far as I can see so far, and, as far as variables go, they too were consistent. Would 30 or 50 shows with what is apparently an almost never deviated from setlist be the sort of thing Eno just wouldn't do? If so, did that unwillingness to conform become a *personal* issue between BF and Eno? At 10:25 AM 12/12/01 , you wrote: >At 05:42 PM 12/12/01 +0000, you wrote: > >James played their final date with singer Tim Booth last night at Wembley >Arena and Eno joined them on stage lending his vocal talents to a couple of >songs. > >And this from the man who hates performing live so much that Roxy didn't >consider asking him to rejoin them ... > >No, sarcasm aside: I suspect Eno likes performing live when he can do the >one-off, without having to commit to night after night for months on end. >His interests seem too diverse for him to commit to much of anything for >too long. And I'm not speaking just musically: through my background in >electronic records management/preservation, I'm aware of his participation >in the Time and Bits project, i.e. a group of "digital gurus" who meet from >time to time to discuss issues of digital preservation and longevity. >Anyone know of other activities of his, outside of the musical world? Is >he still producing perfume? > >Susan [who is constantly bemused, intrigued, and baffled by this man] > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:57:48 -0500 From: Heather James Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno live with James Didn't anyone tell you?? Ah, thats right, you're new to these discsussions on Tour 2001 Well, if they played 50 shows in a row with a (near) constant setlist and very little variation from night to night, its probably a show in a can ... (Just ask Brittney Spears). Just imageine that the whole show was recorded up front on DAT and then played back each night with the performers adding little nuances here and there to vary the shows somewhat from night to night. Thats why all the boots sound so much alike - goodness - just play a couple versions back to back and you'll hear it right away ... Or did you missed those discussions last summer? -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com The Roxy Music Archives: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ My Music Trading Lists: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-boots.html Roxy Music Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/roxy-boots.html Van Morrison Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-van.html >-----------------------------------------------------------------------< neeek@wgn.net wrote: > Over the course of getting acquainted with all of these shows from 82-83 > and 2001, I have noticed that, with very few exceptions, the playlist for > each and every show of the two tours is nearly identical. For example, in > 82-83 "A Song For Europe" was almost always played before "Take A Chance > With Me" but occasionally it was played after. In 2001 "Virginia Plain" was > added occasionally, as was "Mother of Pearl", but those were the few, if > not the only variables, as far as I can see so far, and, as far as > variables go, they too were consistent. > > Would 30 or 50 shows with what is apparently an almost never deviated from > setlist be the sort of thing Eno just wouldn't do? If so, did that > unwillingness to conform become a *personal* issue between BF and Eno? > ___________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:17:37 -0800 From: neeek@wgn.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno live with James Well, I am new to the discussion, and I didn't see any of that, but I have listened to several versions and it can't be lip-synced! I myself heard BF flub the words to Jealous Guy in L.A. (I think I recall it being Jealous Guy -- the whole show was too magical to really remember the small details - --) and I doubt very much if that had happened in a lip-synced performance recording it would have been fixed so the performance must have been live. Not to mention the fact that Phil's guitar actually broke out into a sweat at the end of "Street Life" knowing what was coming next... And how dare you compare BF to Brittney Spears! My god, isn't anything sacred anymore? Besides, I was asking about Eno, and his quirks. I don't know if I took it personally that he wasn't on the tour, but I could have. Nick (who doesn't use emoticons, but does expect people to place them virtually if they belong) At 10:57 AM 12/12/01 , you wrote: > Didn't anyone tell you?? > > Ah, thats right, you're new to these discsussions on Tour 2001 >Well, if they played 50 shows in a row with a (near) constant setlist and >very little variation from night to night, its probably a show in a can >... (Just ask Brittney Spears). Just imageine that the whole show was >recorded up front on DAT and then played back each night with the >performers adding little nuances here and there to vary the shows somewhat >from night to night. > > Thats why all the boots sound so much alike - goodness - just > play a couple versions back to back and you'll hear it right away ... >Or did you missed those discussions last summer? > > -= )-(eather =- > >--------------------< > hjames@thewebgal.com > >The Roxy Music Archives: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >My Music Trading Lists: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-boots.html >Roxy Music Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/roxy-boots.html >Van Morrison Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-van.html > >-----------------------------------------------------------------------< > >neeek@wgn.net wrote: > >>Over the course of getting acquainted with all of these shows from 82-83 >>and 2001, I have noticed that, with very few exceptions, the playlist for >>each and every show of the two tours is nearly identical. For example, in >>82-83 "A Song For Europe" was almost always played before "Take A Chance >>With Me" but occasionally it was played after. In 2001 "Virginia Plain" >>was added occasionally, as was "Mother of Pearl", but those were the few, >>if not the only variables, as far as I can see so far, and, as far as >>variables go, they too were consistent. >>Would 30 or 50 shows with what is apparently an almost never deviated >>from setlist be the sort of thing Eno just wouldn't do? If so, did that >>unwillingness to conform become a *personal* issue between BF and Eno? >>___________________________________________________________________________ > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:22:52 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno live with James In a message dated 12/12/01 19:18:59 GMT Standard Time, neeek@wgn.net writes: > And how dare you compare BF to Brittney Spears! My god, isn't anything > sacred anymore? > Yeah, Britney Spears is far cooler! Jonathan ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:27:09 -0500 From: Heather James Subject: Re: [AVALON] Tour 2001 live or Memorex ?? The only reason I mentioned Brittney is that there was a review in the local paper (The Washington Post) about her DC show and they mentioned that it was a replay of the HBO special she did recently - and how the class way to do that would have been to do the TV special AFTER the tour dates ... Besides, mebbe Brian did sing live - mebbe the rest of the show was in the can ... I mean, think of poor Lucy having to do that same Eddie Jobson OOTB solo note for note at every date ... what human could do that (what human WOULD do that??) - I MUST be memorex! -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com The Roxy Music Archives: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ My Music Trading Lists: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-boots.html Roxy Music Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/roxy-boots.html Van Morrison Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-van.html >-----------------------------------------------------------------------< neeek@wgn.net wrote: > Well, I am new to the discussion, and I didn't see any of that, but I have > listened to several versions and it can't be lip-synced! I myself heard BF > flub the words to Jealous Guy in L.A. (I think I recall it being Jealous > Guy -- the whole show was too magical to really remember the small details > --) and I doubt very much if that had happened in a lip-synced performance > recording it would have been fixed so the performance must have been live. > Not to mention the fact that Phil's guitar actually broke out into a sweat > at the end of "Street Life" knowing what was coming next... > > And how dare you compare BF to Brittney Spears! My god, isn't anything > sacred anymore? > > Besides, I was asking about Eno, and his quirks. I don't know if I took it > personally that he wasn't on the tour, but I could have. > > Nick > > (who doesn't use emoticons, but does expect people to place them virtually > if they belong) > > At 10:57 AM 12/12/01 , you wrote: > >> Didn't anyone tell you?? >> >> Ah, thats right, you're new to these discsussions on Tour 2001 >>Well, if they played 50 shows in a row with a (near) constant setlist and >>very little variation from night to night, its probably a show in a can >>... (Just ask Brittney Spears). Just imageine that the whole show was >>recorded up front on DAT and then played back each night with the >>performers adding little nuances here and there to vary the shows somewhat >> >>from night to night. > >> Thats why all the boots sound so much alike - goodness - just >>play a couple versions back to back and you'll hear it right away ... >>Or did you missed those discussions last summer? >> >> -= )-(eather =- >> >--------------------< >> hjames@thewebgal.com >> >>The Roxy Music Archives: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >>My Music Trading Lists: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-boots.html >>Roxy Music Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/roxy-boots.html >>Van Morrison Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-van.html >> >>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------< >>> >>neeek@wgn.net wrote: >> >> >>>Over the course of getting acquainted with all of these shows from 82-83 >>>and 2001, I have noticed that, with very few exceptions, the playlist for >>>each and every show of the two tours is nearly identical. For example, in >>>82-83 "A Song For Europe" was almost always played before "Take A Chance >>>With Me" but occasionally it was played after. In 2001 "Virginia Plain" >>>was added occasionally, as was "Mother of Pearl", but those were the few, >>>if not the only variables, as far as I can see so far, and, as far as >>>variables go, they too were consistent. >>>Would 30 or 50 shows with what is apparently an almost never deviated >>> >>>from setlist be the sort of thing Eno just wouldn't do? If so, did that >> >>>unwillingness to conform become a *personal* issue between BF and Eno? >>>___________________________________________________________________________ >>> >> >>___________________________________________________________________________ >>The subliminable footer says: >>To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >>unsubscribe avalon >> > > > ... grins ... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:30:44 -0800 From: neeek@wgn.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno live with James Cooler than BF? Brittony? Are you daft??? Sorry for any confusion -- I thought I was posting to the Avalon group. At 11:22 AM 12/12/01 , you wrote: >In a message dated 12/12/01 19:18:59 GMT Standard Time, neeek@wgn.net writes: > > > > And how dare you compare BF to Brittney Spears! My god, isn't anything > > sacred anymore? > > > >Yeah, Britney Spears is far cooler! > >Jonathan > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:35:48 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno live with James In a message dated 12/12/01 19:32:38 GMT Standard Time, neeek@wgn.net writes: > Cooler than BF? Brittony? Are you daft??? > No, im the voice of sanity. Jonathan ;0) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:38:28 -0500 From: Heather James Subject: Re: [AVALON] Tour 2001 - Libe or memorex??? Nothing is scared anymo - its a whole new enchillada ... Next time they'll just hire Remake-remodel to fill in for them with the show in a can - I hear they have done WONDERS with the look and feel of Roxy Music -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com The Roxy Music Archives: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ My Music Trading Lists: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-boots.html Roxy Music Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/roxy-boots.html Van Morrison Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-van.html >-----------------------------------------------------------------------< neeek@wgn.net wrote: > Well, I am new to the discussion, and I didn't see any of that, but I have > listened to several versions and it can't be lip-synced! I myself heard BF > flub the words to Jealous Guy in L.A. (I think I recall it being Jealous > Guy -- the whole show was too magical to really remember the small details > --) and I doubt very much if that had happened in a lip-synced performance > recording it would have been fixed so the performance must have been live. > Not to mention the fact that Phil's guitar actually broke out into a sweat > at the end of "Street Life" knowing what was coming next... > > And how dare you compare BF to Brittney Spears! My god, isn't anything > scared anymore? > > Besides, I was asking about Eno, and his quirks. I don't know if I took it > personally that he wasn't on the tour, but I could have. > > Nick > > (who doesn't use emoticons, but does expect people to place them virtually > if they belong) > > At 10:57 AM 12/12/01 , you wrote: > >> Didn't anyone tell you?? >> >> Ah, thats right, you're new to these discsussions on Tour 2001 >>Well, if they played 50 shows in a row with a (near) constant setlist and >>very little variation from night to night, its probably a show in a can >>... (Just ask Brittney Spears). Just imageine that the whole show was >>recorded up front on DAT and then played back each night with the >>performers adding little nuances here and there to vary the shows somewhat >> >>from night to night. > >> Thats why all the boots sound so much alike - goodness - just >>play a couple versions back to back and you'll hear it right away ... >>Or did you missed those discussions last summer? >> >> -= )-(eather =- >> >--------------------< >> hjames@thewebgal.com >> >>The Roxy Music Archives: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >>My Music Trading Lists: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-boots.html >>Roxy Music Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/roxy-boots.html >>Van Morrison Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-van.html >> >>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------< >>> >>neeek@wgn.net wrote: >> >> >>>Over the course of getting acquainted with all of these shows from 82-83 >>>and 2001, I have noticed that, with very few exceptions, the playlist for >>>each and every show of the two tours is nearly identical. For example, in >>>82-83 "A Song For Europe" was almost always played before "Take A Chance >>>With Me" but occasionally it was played after. In 2001 "Virginia Plain" >>>was added occasionally, as was "Mother of Pearl", but those were the few, >>>if not the only variables, as far as I can see so far, and, as far as >>>variables go, they too were consistent. >>>Would 30 or 50 shows with what is apparently an almost never deviated >>> >>>from setlist be the sort of thing Eno just wouldn't do? If so, did that >> >>>unwillingness to conform become a *personal* issue between BF and Eno? >>>___________________________________________________________________________ > > - -- ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:42:43 -0800 From: neeek@wgn.net Subject: Re: [AVALON] Tour 2001 live or Memorex ?? At 11:27 AM 12/12/01 , you wrote: > The only reason I mentioned Brittney is that there was a review > in the local paper (The Washington Post) about her DC show and they > mentioned that it was a replay of the HBO special she did recently - and > how the class way to do that would have been to do the TV special AFTER > the tour dates That *is* tacky. >... > > Besides, mebbe Brian did sing live - mebbe the rest of the show > was in the can ... I mean, think of poor Lucy having to do that same > Eddie Jobson OOTB solo note for note at every date ... what human could > do that (what human WOULD do that??) - I MUST be memorex! Well... er... If you want flexibility on stage, that sort of almost genuine ad-libbed quality, you'll have to go to heaven and see Zappa perform. Within reason, you never really knew exactly what you were going to hear from him. The most fun part was his droll roll-out of the songs that were coming in the next group; something like: Next we're going to play Little Umbrellas followed by a short tango, after which we'll play Mother People followed by Sleeping in a Jar at which point we'll break into Absolutely Free and then a reprise of the tango and then Mudshark..." etc... > > -= )-(eather =- > >--------------------< > hjames@thewebgal.com > >The Roxy Music Archives: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >My Music Trading Lists: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-boots.html >Roxy Music Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/roxy-boots.html >Van Morrison Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-van.html > >-----------------------------------------------------------------------< > > > > > > >neeek@wgn.net wrote: > >>Well, I am new to the discussion, and I didn't see any of that, but I >>have listened to several versions and it can't be lip-synced! I myself >>heard BF flub the words to Jealous Guy in L.A. (I think I recall it being >>Jealous Guy -- the whole show was too magical to really remember the >>small details --) and I doubt very much if that had happened in a >>lip-synced performance recording it would have been fixed so the >>performance must have been live. Not to mention the fact that Phil's >>guitar actually broke out into a sweat at the end of "Street Life" >>knowing what was coming next... >>And how dare you compare BF to Brittney Spears! My god, isn't anything >>sacred anymore? >>Besides, I was asking about Eno, and his quirks. I don't know if I took >>it personally that he wasn't on the tour, but I could have. >>Nick >>(who doesn't use emoticons, but does expect people to place them >>virtually if they belong) >>At 10:57 AM 12/12/01 , you wrote: >> >>> Didn't anyone tell you?? >>> >>> Ah, thats right, you're new to these discsussions on Tour 2001 >>>Well, if they played 50 shows in a row with a (near) constant setlist >>>and very little variation from night to night, its probably a show in a >>>can ... (Just ask Brittney Spears). Just imageine that the whole show >>>was recorded up front on DAT and then played back each night with the >>>performers adding little nuances here and there to vary the shows somewhat >>>from night to night. >> >>> Thats why all the boots sound so much alike - goodness - just >>> play a couple versions back to back and you'll hear it right away ... >>>Or did you missed those discussions last summer? >>> >>> -= )-(eather =- >>> >--------------------< >>> hjames@thewebgal.com >>> >>>The Roxy Music Archives: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >>>My Music Trading Lists: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-boots.html >>>Roxy Music Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/roxy-boots.html >>>Van Morrison Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-van.html >>> >>>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------< >>>neeek@wgn.net wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Over the course of getting acquainted with all of these shows from >>>>82-83 and 2001, I have noticed that, with very few exceptions, the >>>>playlist for each and every show of the two tours is nearly identical. >>>>For example, in 82-83 "A Song For Europe" was almost always played >>>>before "Take A Chance With Me" but occasionally it was played after. In >>>>2001 "Virginia Plain" was added occasionally, as was "Mother of Pearl", >>>>but those were the few, if not the only variables, as far as I can see >>>>so far, and, as far as variables go, they too were consistent. >>>>Would 30 or 50 shows with what is apparently an almost never deviated >>>>from setlist be the sort of thing Eno just wouldn't do? If so, did that >>> >>>>unwillingness to conform become a *personal* issue between BF and Eno? >>>>___________________________________________________________________________ >>> >>>___________________________________________________________________________ >>>The subliminable footer says: >>>To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >>>unsubscribe avalon > > >... grins ... > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:51:21 -0500 From: Heather James Subject: Re: [AVALON] Tour 2001 live or Memorex ?? No - actually LOTS of artists do a varied set from show to show ... gee - the Grateful Dead were probably the best example of that sort of thing - they could play 4 nights in a city and you'd get 4 different shows ... heck, even Van Morrison does that - and he's still alive. 'sides, Zzappa was way overrated - check out vintage Crismo - Adrian Belew is way flexible - so's Tony levin for that matter - or that Bruford Guy - I hear even Bob Flipp shreds pretty good these days -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com The Roxy Music Archives: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ My Music Trading Lists: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-boots.html Roxy Music Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/roxy-boots.html Van Morrison Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-van.html >-----------------------------------------------------------------------< neeek@wgn.net wrote: > At 11:27 AM 12/12/01 , you wrote: > >> The only reason I mentioned Brittney is that there was a review >>in the local paper (The Washington Post) about her DC show and they >>mentioned that it was a replay of the HBO special she did recently - and >>how the class way to do that would have been to do the TV special AFTER >>the tour dates >> > > That *is* tacky. > > >>... >> >> Besides, mebbe Brian did sing live - mebbe the rest of the show >>was in the can ... I mean, think of poor Lucy having to do that same >>Eddie Jobson OOTB solo note for note at every date ... what human could >>do that (what human WOULD do that??) - I MUST be memorex! >> > > Well... er... If you want flexibility on stage, that sort of almost genuine > ad-libbed quality, you'll have to go to heaven and see Zappa perform. > Within reason, you never really knew exactly what you were going to hear > from him. The most fun part was his droll roll-out of the songs that were > coming in the next group; something like: Next we're going to play Little > Umbrellas followed by a short tango, after which we'll play Mother People > followed by Sleeping in a Jar at which point we'll break into Absolutely > Free and then a reprise of the tango and then Mudshark..." etc... > > > >> -= )-(eather =- >> >--------------------< >> hjames@thewebgal.com >> >>The Roxy Music Archives: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >>My Music Trading Lists: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-boots.html >>Roxy Music Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/roxy-boots.html >>Van Morrison Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-van.html >> >>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------< >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>neeek@wgn.net wrote: >> >> >>>Well, I am new to the discussion, and I didn't see any of that, but I >>>have listened to several versions and it can't be lip-synced! I myself >>>heard BF flub the words to Jealous Guy in L.A. (I think I recall it being >>>Jealous Guy -- the whole show was too magical to really remember the >>>small details --) and I doubt very much if that had happened in a >>>lip-synced performance recording it would have been fixed so the >>>performance must have been live. Not to mention the fact that Phil's >>>guitar actually broke out into a sweat at the end of "Street Life" >>>knowing what was coming next... >>>And how dare you compare BF to Brittney Spears! My god, isn't anything >>>sacred anymore? >>>Besides, I was asking about Eno, and his quirks. I don't know if I took >>>it personally that he wasn't on the tour, but I could have. >>>Nick >>>(who doesn't use emoticons, but does expect people to place them >>>virtually if they belong) >>>At 10:57 AM 12/12/01 , you wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Didn't anyone tell you?? >>>> >>>> Ah, thats right, you're new to these discsussions on Tour 2001 >>>>Well, if they played 50 shows in a row with a (near) constant setlist >>>>and very little variation from night to night, its probably a show in a >>>>can ... (Just ask Brittney Spears). Just imageine that the whole show >>>>was recorded up front on DAT and then played back each night with the >>>>performers adding little nuances here and there to vary the shows somewhat >>>> >>>>from night to night. >>> >>> >>>> Thats why all the boots sound so much alike - goodness - just >>>>play a couple versions back to back and you'll hear it right away ... >>>>Or did you missed those discussions last summer? >>>> >>>> -= )-(eather =- >>>> >--------------------< >>>> hjames@thewebgal.com >>>> >>>>The Roxy Music Archives: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >>>>My Music Trading Lists: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-boots.html >>>>Roxy Music Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/roxy-boots.html >>>>Van Morrison Trade List: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-van.html >>>> >>>> >>>>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------< >>>>> >>>>neeek@wgn.net wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Over the course of getting acquainted with all of these shows from >>>>>82-83 and 2001, I have noticed that, with very few exceptions, the >>>>>playlist for each and every show of the two tours is nearly identical. >>>>>For example, in 82-83 "A Song For Europe" was almost always played >>>>>before "Take A Chance With Me" but occasionally it was played after. In >>>>>2001 "Virginia Plain" was added occasionally, as was "Mother of Pearl", >>>>>but those were the few, if not the only variables, as far as I can see >>>>>so far, and, as far as variables go, they too were consistent. >>>>>Would 30 or 50 shows with what is apparently an almost never deviated >>>>>from setlist be the sort of thing Eno just wouldn't do? If so, did that >>>>>unwillingness to conform become a *personal* issue between BF and Eno? >>>>>___________________________________________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>___________________________________________________________________________ >>>>The subliminable footer says: >>>>To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >>>>unsubscribe avalon >>>> >> >>... grins ... >> >> >>___________________________________________________________________________ - -- ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:49:46 +0000 From: "M. Taylor" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Eno live with James - not > > And how dare you compare BF to Brittney Spears! My god, isn't anything > > sacred anymore? > > > >Yeah, Britney Spears is far cooler! We're all going to be lucky and see more of Britney - she is baring all for a PETA ad. I wonder how that will compare to BF's Start-Rite ad. =P With the various CD trees on the list, check out this article at The Onion: Area Man Proud Of Liner Notes To Self-Burned Compilation CD http://www.theonion.com/onion3745/area_man_proud.html M NP The Swing by INXS (had to dig up my old cassettes!) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #569 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest