From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #505 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, October 29 2001 Volume 06 : Number 505 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Roxy Music "In Concert" ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: SV: [AVALON] Roxy Ripoff! Rip-off-topic [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Good Rockin' Tonight [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] The Divine Comedy [lorelei@zoom.co.uk] Re: [AVALON] The Divine Comedy [lorelei@zoom.co.uk] Re: [AVALON] The Divine Comedy [lorelei@zoom.co.uk] Re: [AVALON] The Divine Comedy [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] The Divine Comedy ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] The Divine Comedy ["M. Taylor" ] Re: [AVALON] The Divine Comedy [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] All this fighting... ["Grant Goggans" ] Re: [AVALON] Tour merchandise [KB Porter ] [AVALON] Simple Minds Cover [OBrienFerry@aol.com] [AVALON] Re: Top Ten American Singers [MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.)] Re: [AVALON] Tour merchandise [AMeyersLD@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Tour merchandise ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #497 [AMeyersLD@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Roxy Music "In Concert" [AMeyersLD@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Andy on TV [David Firmin ] Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #497 ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] [AVALON] Q Awards [William Sommers ] Re: [AVALON] Q Awards [Susan Stekel ] [AVALON] ALW ["M. Taylor" ] Re: [AVALON] ALW [David Firmin ] [AVALON] Tree suggestion ["Grant Goggans" ] [AVALON] Colleen's Penis Envy ["Eman 97" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:24:38 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Music "In Concert" As far as I know, this is the concert that was used on the Total Recall video (see Editions Of You and A Song For Europe). It was recorded at the Rainbow Theatre in London, November 1973 on the Stranded tour (note the presence of one Mr. Eddie Jobson). I suspect it may have originally been part of the BBC Sight And Sound In Concert series - concerts that were broadcast simultaneously on radio and TV, although I have no more proof than the voice of UK radio legend Tommy Vance appearing on audio recordings of the same show. The two songs mentioned, plus Do The Strand are on a few vinyl bootlegs, most notably Better Than Food. If anyone saw the ABC TV show, was it longer than three songs? SimonG >>> "Keith Shockley" 10/29 7:22 am >>> Back in the early 70's (I'm guessing For your Pleasure tour) Roxy performed on the ABC network music series "In Concert". Does anyone have a quality video of this show? If so, email me off or on list. Keith ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:41:52 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Probably not Bonnie It was probably just the devil, I believe they sub for each other ;-) SimonG >>> "Duncan Watkins" 10/28 9:40 am >>> Just had a really nice e-mail from Bonnie Langford,in which she says that she wasn't at hammersmith because of work commitments, but is a big fan! Is she a member of this list?-after the last few days its anybodys guess who might be lurking out there?! Regards, Duncan. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:59:19 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: SV: [AVALON] Roxy Ripoff! Rip-off-topic At 20.10 +0100 1-10-28, Ole-Petter Drxnen wrote: >Well, not exactly, we had to move due to sickness / illness in my family. Sorry to read that. God bless you. Still playing Lars Winnerback. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:03:20 +0100 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Calling occupants of interplanetary craft I (Daniel Atterbom) wrote: >>I have the Carpenters box and Richard Carpenter writes that he wrote the >>song in London 1971 -- just as Roxy was getting started. Richard Mills replied. >That's amazing! Why would Richard Carpenter even think to measure his career >in terms of Roxy Music? What a coincidence! ;-) Sorry the -- meant that the rest was my comment. Richard Carpenter does not mention mention Roxy Music. My mistake. Still playing Lars Winnerback. Best wishes Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:15:20 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bryan Ferry and . . . The Carpenters? I'm quite partial to Top Of The World, lovely harmonies and great lap steel. Nice. SimonG >>> "Paul Bodine" 10/28 2:58 pm >>> Apologies if someone has posted this before: Last week, the Chicago Tribune ran a piece on songs "pop stars" were embarrassed to admit they liked. Mr. Ferry listed "Goodbye to Love" by The Carpenters. "There is a fantastic guitar solo at the end. I like the girl's voice. It's a schmaltzy tune but very compelling somehow." ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:42:26 -0000 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Music "In Concert" - ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Galloway Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Music "In Concert" > it may have originally been part of the BBC Sight And Sound In Concert series - concerts that were broadcast simultaneously on radio and TV> > If anyone saw the ABC TV show, was it longer than three songs? > > SimonG The cover of Viva! shows pictures of Roxy which are obviously taken from film, I also remember when BEB was released as a single the video was a live one with the single version as the soundtrack. I think the video was filmed at Wembly 1975, anyone throw some more light on this. Terry "O" NP: Eva Cassidy, Fields of gold. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:04:03 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: [AVALON] Viva! cover >>> "terrypaulrigz8c" 10/29 10:42 am >>> > The cover of Viva! shows pictures of Roxy which are obviously taken from > film, I also remember when BEB was released as a single the video was a live > one with the single version as the soundtrack. I think the video was filmed > at Wembly 1975, anyone throw some more light on this. It's my understanding that large video screens were used on at least part of the Siren tour (just Wembley?) and the shots were from these screens. And I think you're right about the BEB video, but the LITD live promo I think was shot in rehearsal rather than at an actual concert. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:10:14 EST From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Good Rockin' Tonight In a message dated 10/28/2001 11:15:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, petekstranded@worldnet.att.net writes: > I've been revisiting Bryan's song "The death of me". How this > jewel never wound up on Mamouna and the song Wildcat Days did, is beyond me. > What song is this and what is its origin? Never heard it mentioned before. Arnie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:30:56 +0000 (GMT) From: lorelei@zoom.co.uk Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Divine Comedy > Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 17:03:28 EST > From: KWil632057@aol.com > Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Divine Comedy > > In a message dated 28/10/01 21:48:53 GMT Standard Time, > ivor.canning@cwcom.net writes: > > > > Which covers in particular ? > > Life on Mars > The Model > Lifes what you make it > Dear Lord and Father of Mankind > > have all been systematically slaughtered by the Divine Comedy. I love > their > original material but if Oh Yeah is any good i'll eat my South Downs > cd..... Also: I Went to a Marvellous Party (Noel Coward song). They did it a couple of years ago with Cowardesque bits interspersed with loud noisy strobe-lighty bits. It was rubbish. I've just caught up with about ten Avalon digests at once, so I had to post something :-) P.S. I'm all in favour of Ivor Prog Day. - -- Laura Shadbolt Get your own zoom email - click here - http://www.zoom.co.uk/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:31:19 +0000 (GMT) From: lorelei@zoom.co.uk Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Divine Comedy > Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 17:03:28 EST > From: KWil632057@aol.com > Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Divine Comedy > > In a message dated 28/10/01 21:48:53 GMT Standard Time, > ivor.canning@cwcom.net writes: > > > > Which covers in particular ? > > Life on Mars > The Model > Lifes what you make it > Dear Lord and Father of Mankind > > have all been systematically slaughtered by the Divine Comedy. I love > their > original material but if Oh Yeah is any good i'll eat my South Downs > cd..... Also: I Went to a Marvellous Party (Noel Coward song). They did it a couple of years ago with Cowardesque bits interspersed with loud noisy strobe-lighty bits. It was rubbish. I've just caught up with about ten Avalon digests at once, so I had to post something :-) P.S. I'm all in favour of Ivor Prog Day. - -- Laura Shadbolt Get your own zoom email - click here - http://www.zoom.co.uk/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:31:36 +0000 (GMT) From: lorelei@zoom.co.uk Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Divine Comedy > Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 17:03:28 EST > From: KWil632057@aol.com > Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Divine Comedy > > In a message dated 28/10/01 21:48:53 GMT Standard Time, > ivor.canning@cwcom.net writes: > > > > Which covers in particular ? > > Life on Mars > The Model > Lifes what you make it > Dear Lord and Father of Mankind > > have all been systematically slaughtered by the Divine Comedy. I love > their > original material but if Oh Yeah is any good i'll eat my South Downs > cd..... Also: I Went to a Marvellous Party (Noel Coward song). They did it a couple of years ago with Cowardesque bits interspersed with loud noisy strobe-lighty bits. It was rubbish. I've just caught up with about ten Avalon digests at once, so I had to post something :-) P.S. I'm all in favour of Ivor Prog Day. - -- Laura Shadbolt Get your own zoom email - click here - http://www.zoom.co.uk/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:44:30 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Divine Comedy Also: I Went to a Marvellous Party (Noel Coward song). They did it a couple of years ago with Cowardesque bits interspersed with loud noisy strobe-lighty bits. It was rubbish. Not forgetting All Mine by Portishead which was a duet with Tom Jones on his Reload lp. Sad really cause his original material is usually pretty good. Anyone heard Oh Yeah yet? Jonathan n/p Orbital 'Doctor, Look Out!' ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:49:16 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Divine Comedy >>> 10/29 12:44 pm >>> > Anyone heard Oh Yeah yet? Will probably buy it tonight along with the new Shed Seven single which has a cover of Bowie's Jean Genie as a bonus track. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:07:33 +0000 From: "M. Taylor" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Divine Comedy >Sad really cause his original material is usually pretty good. Usually, unless it's Regeneration. (Yes, I have quite a thing against Regeneration.) I partially blame Joby for the over-the-top sound of A Short Album About Love and Fin de Siecle. They were good albums but bigger is not always better. >Anyone heard Oh Yeah yet? I'm going to call a couple of places to see if they have it since I have to get it as an import. Someone on the Divine Comedy list said that it's solid but not exceptional. M n/p Smash the System - Saint Etienne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:10:25 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Divine Comedy In a message dated 29/10/01 12:52:09 GMT Standard Time, SIMONG@jazzfm.com writes: > Will probably buy it tonight along with the new Shed Seven single which has > a cover of Bowie's Jean Genie as a bonus track. > > SimonG Wow!!...the marketing people have got it right for these bands....Memo to Ferry management: 'B-side should be a cover to ensure sales'.....(mind you chances are that the A side will be a cover!)lol. Jonathan n/p Oasis 'The Masterplan' ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:14:20 -0500 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] All this fighting... For what it's worth... I had a great time with the Roxy experience this summer AND I'm happy to read debates regarding ticket prices and industry shenanigans AND such debates do not sully my enjoyment of the music at all AND I'm happy Bill MacCormick delurked and has brought such insight into this group. It's made for very, very interesting reading. Grant Goggans please update links to -- http://www.geocities.com/popocalypse _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:05:39 -0500 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Tour merchandise "Anyway, shouldn't that be 'St Ive' and 'Brother Lee Sullivan' ?" I like that! It's got a great rhythm and sound to it! Get out the drum sticks;-) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:08:37 EST From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Simple Minds Cover I bought the Simple Minds covers album 'Neon Lights' at the weekend and I must say their version of For Your Pleasure is absolutely average. The have changed it from the original which is the way to do a cover, I'm sure Ferry fans appreciate that. Their version of All Tomorrow's Parties is pretty good on this album, it gives Ferry's version a run for it's money. J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:36:04 -0600 (CST) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re: Top Ten American Singers As Top ten lists go the list is of A. popular singers of all time. This was in a news article & wanted to share as some of Ferry's favorites or among them . Check the list -----Louis Armstrong--Nat King Cole--Bing Crosby--Bob Dylan--Aretha Franklin--Judy Garland--Billie Holiday--Elvis Presley--Frank Sinatra--Barbra Streisand.The article went on to say that it was hard to whittle down to ten as there were so many more great ones. The ten were chosen as each must have a truly distinctive voice & cast a large influence over other singers. I for one think they did a great job. After all look from this list the singers Bryan as said numerous times that have affected him. Marlana.......................................................... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:01:32 EST From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Tour merchandise In a message dated 10/27/01 11:20:52 AM, ivor.canning@cwcom.net writes: << Blimey - what is all this ? Goad Ivor week ?? Tch ! >> Already? I thought that was in November sometime..... Andrew in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:09:51 +0000 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Tour merchandise Well, I haven't seen the greetings cards in the shops yet. SimonG >>> 10/29 3:01 pm >>> In a message dated 10/27/01 11:20:52 AM, ivor.canning@cwcom.net writes: << Blimey - what is all this ? Goad Ivor week ?? Tch ! >> Already? I thought that was in November sometime..... Andrew in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:17:08 EST From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #497 In a message dated 10/28/01 11:59:23 AM, Pen2308@aol.com writes: << Phantom of the Opera is commercial theatre, no public subsidy there.. thank God, I'd hate my taxes to contribute to Andrew Lloyd Webber's lifestyle! >> As someone who makes his living in the theatre, I can assure you that nobody in not-for-profit theatre lives like Sir Andrew! And, love him or hate him, his ex wife told me once that "Half the bums on theatre seats in the last 15 years were because of him." Andrew in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:33:52 EST From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Music "In Concert" In a message dated 10/28/01 10:23:58 PM, shockley@usit.net writes: << Back in the early 70's (I'm guessing For your Pleasure tour) Roxy performed on the ABC network music series "In Concert". >> It was the Country Life tour. It was also my first exposure to RM, and it led to my going to see them a month or so later. Andrew in Chicago (who'd also kinda like to see that again...) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:08:58 -0800 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Andy on TV I picked this info up from a McCartney site: The Coming Up video was recorded on 26th/27th March 1980, film-maker Keef McMillan used a new computerised desk to have Paul appear as ten people AT THE SAME TIME, a band that Paul cleverly dubbed "The Plastic Macs". Paul imitated the looks of, Buddy Holly, Frank Zappa, Ron Mael, Andy Mackay, Ginger Baker (looking more like "Animal" of The Muppets !) and even a 1964 Beatle version of himself! Linda also appeared in two guises making "The Plastic Macs" a 12-piece band. on 10/28/01 10:49 PM, Keith Shockley at shockley@usit.net wrote: > Didn't McCartney also imitate Manzanera in the Coming Up video? That was a > hilarious video. I also remember Paul or maybe Linda doing Ron Mael of > Sparks. *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:58:37 -0000 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #497 > I can assure you that nobody > in not-for-profit theatre lives like Sir Andrew! > his ex wife told me once that "Half the bums on > theatre seats in the last 15 years were because of him." > Andrew in Chicago Well good for him, because all those bums on seats have kept thousands of actors, set designers, sound & lighting engineers, musicians, printers, record producers, theatre staff, ticket (sharks) agents and a host of others in work, and also a lot of happy punters. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:09:17 EST From: BPhilipson@aol.com Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxy Ripoff! I bought two tickets for the Chicago show and didn't go. When it came right down to it I wasn't all that interested in hearing the stuff that they were playing. I was afraid that I'd wake up the next morning with an aching in my heart, but I didn't. I popped Vozero in my CD player and had a great day. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:04:39 -0000 From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Probably not Bonnie >Just had a really nice e-mail from Bonnie Langford,in which she says that she wasn't at hammersmith because of work commitments, but is a big fan! Maybe she was at Hammersmith in a working capacity - wasn't she the grinning bubblehead in the red feathers doing the out of step soft shoe shuffle during The Strand? And what a strange day catching up on Carry On Up Avalon. I am particularly disturbed by KBP's excessive interest in Ivor's hood. Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:35:32 EST From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Ripoff! In a message dated 29/10/01 17:11:18 GMT Standard Time, BPhilipson@aol.com writes: > I bought two tickets for the Chicago show and didn't go. When it came right > down to it I wasn't all that interested in hearing the stuff that they were > playing Eh? . ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:45:17 -0800 (PST) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Yawn maybe, but let's get this straight Apologies for the delayed reply - but I have to respond to this one > aleks50@yahoo.com (Aleks Kocan) wrote: > > then maybe > > they should choose another promoter. Roxy toured > to > > make money - but surely they must have some > > "ethics/conscience" about them - what about all > the > > fans that have bought records etc.. over the > years. In > > my mind #50/ticket is not a reasonable price - in > my > > mind it is seriously taking the p**s. They would > have > > still made money charging #35/ticket - --- Bill MacCormick wrote: > Aleks, > > They SIGNED a contract to do 50 dates. These > included the Apollo. How > could they "choose another promoter" when they were > still under contract > to SFX? Right Bill - first of all we had this debate on the list before the final shows. My implication was not that they should have chosen another promoter half way through the tour. It's all relative to me - I paid 32 pounds to see U2 - bigger show - and in my opinion the best live rock and roll band in the world - on the other hand people paid 60 pounds or whatever to see Madonna - which I consider a rip-off - --- Bill MacCormick wrote: Let's try to live in the real world. Well at the risk of sounding sarcastic - funnily enough I do live in the real world - I have a real job, a real mortgage, a real girlfriend and I earn a real salary and paid real money to see gigs. - --- Bill MacCormick wrote: > as for: aleks wrote: > > They would have > > still made money charging #35/ticket. - --- Bill MacCormick wrote: > Please try to grasp this: these prices were set by > the promoter NOT by the > band. I have no idea whether SFX were trying to > minimise losses on the > tour or maximise profits (and neither does anyone > else except them) but > they were the only people who lost or profited by > the ticket price set. > But, whatever they were doing it was their decision > to set a 50 quid > ticket price. If the band had said 'we aren't > playing, the ticket prices > are too high' they would have been sued for breach > of contract. Thanks for clearing this up for me - from a fans perspective it looked like the band that were dictating things - I didn't realise they had no say in such matters. It was all down to supply and demand - i make no apologies for saying that if they had played Manchester Apollo I would have paid 50 quid to see them - but I would have paid it with gritted teeth. I just think back to when Ferry played "ATGB" tour - which was in small venues with just as many musicians and the ticket price was 25 quid (i.e half the price of the Hammersmith shows) The ticket prices did shock me because it seems like Phil Manzanera takes such pride in his work and the way that his web-site is organised (I understand that you run it) that I found it difficult to believe the ticket prices. Thanks for listening Aleks Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:47:44 -0600 From: "Jankiewicz, Jim" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxy Ripoff! er.... why woule one buy tickets and not go? Especially If you "were not all that interested?" What "stuff" would you rather they play? Or are you trolling? From: BPhilipson@aol.com..... I bought two tickets for the Chicago show and didn't go. When it came right down to it I wasn't all that interested in hearing the stuff that they were playing. I was afraid that I'd wake up the next morning with an aching in my heart, but I didn't. I popped Vozero in my CD player and had a great day. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:44:47 -0800 From: William Sommers Subject: [AVALON] Q Awards http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/music/newsid_1626000/1626180.stm "And Roxy Music founder Brian Eno was awarded handed the Special Award." Hmmm... "founder"? -wfs ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:56:38 -0600 From: Susan Stekel Subject: Re: [AVALON] Q Awards At 11:44 AM 10/29/01 -0800, you wrote: >http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/music/newsid_1626000/1626180 .stm > > "And Roxy Music founder Brian Eno was awarded handed the Special > Award." > >Hmmm... "founder"? details, details. Actually, you didn't mention the funniest quote in that article, which came from Kate Bush (the only recording artist actually slower than our Bryan): "This is just great, I am making an album but it is just taking a little longer than I thought ..." ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:01:41 +0000 From: "M. Taylor" Subject: [AVALON] ALW ><< Phantom of the Opera is commercial theatre, no public subsidy there.. >thank >God, I'd hate my taxes to contribute to Andrew Lloyd Webber's lifestyle! > >> > >As someone who makes his living in the theatre, I can assure you that >nobody >in not-for-profit theatre lives like Sir Andrew! Peter S. and I had the pleasure of seeing Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat when I was in Chicago over the weekend and it featured stellar lighting design. =) The production was good but the musical itself was terrible. ALW should burn in hell. Andrew and Pete, NOTHING from the musical has stuck in my head. I refuse to hum anything from Joseph. M NP Misadventures of Saint Etienne - Saint Etienne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:07:25 -0800 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] ALW Chris Spedding played guitar on ALW's original cast recording of Jesus Christ Superstar. It's also interesting that Steve Harley (no Roxy connection) played the Phantom. on 10/29/01 12:01 PM, M. Taylor at lebonster@hotmail.com wrote: >> << Phantom of the Opera is commercial theatre, no public subsidy there.. >> thank >> God, I'd hate my taxes to contribute to Andrew Lloyd Webber's lifestyle! >>>> >> >> As someone who makes his living in the theatre, I can assure you that >> nobody >> in not-for-profit theatre lives like Sir Andrew! > > > Peter S. and I had the pleasure of seeing Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor > Dreamcoat when I was in Chicago over the weekend and it featured stellar > lighting design. =) The production was good but the musical itself was > terrible. ALW should burn in hell. *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:27:51 -0500 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] Tree suggestion About 18 months ago, some wonderful Avalonians did a video tree of Bry's ATGB show in Brussels, entitled Cirque Royale. A fantastic performance, even for that good tour. Unfortunately, my hectic schedule doesn't leave me much time for watching VHS tapes. In fact, I only saw it for the second time last week while I was home sick. I'd much prefer to have a CD copy for the car, or to listen to on headphones while my tykes are watching Between the Lions. Would anyone be interested in making a CD from the video? If anyone who has the ability to do this would do so for me, I'd be more than happy to swap something for it, and also branch six or seven copies to other US readers... Grant Goggans please update links to -- http://www.geocities.com/popocalypse _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:06:24 -0800 From: "Eman 97" Subject: [AVALON] Colleen's Penis Envy Dear Avalon List Members in Good Faith! For those of you who think I was out of line to out Colleen for her attacks on myself and others here... And out of line to take a few personal shots at her, I ask you: Where are you when she takes shots at others? Yes, my post was strongly stated. If read to the bottom of this post, you will understand why. When any forum allows any one individual, (and their few sycophantic to a fault friends), to run rough shod over others on the forum, with a consistent pattern of attacks and rude digs etc., that entity risks and invites that at certain times people are going to stand up and loudly take that person/s to task. If you are not demanding that that agressor act like a good citizen here, you are TACITLY approving their behaviour. That is how standards and patterns of acceptablity are established on all Internet forums sans moderator. So although I understand when I stand up loud against Colleen's attacks..it is like sports, the one who retaliates for the foul always gets the penalty flag/card...the most flack. Fine. But I truly wonder where all your senses of justice and manners are as Colleen regularly weaves in a one or two sentenced attack of complete rudeness, to those on her "to attack" list??? When Colleen regular exhibites rudenss to the lowest levels and really the meanest behaviour of anyone on this 500 or so populated list. Where is your attention, intelligence, and/or concern for Netiquette at those times??? Is it okay to you because she posts alot, and you just gotta have that "content" fix, that you will regularly look the other way, or worse, support her rudeness to a pathetic fault??? One truth of this forum is that we can absolutely compile a list here, of the folks that Colleen has rudely and unfairly Attacked. I can easily list half a dozen. Old timers, can probably list many, many more. Isn't it odd that you cannot find any other regular member of this list that you can easily create a list of the people they have fueded with and attacked regularly? So you don't like my "in your face style" in taking on her attack/s? Ask yourself, if you are a considerate, genuinely good intention, moral member of this list -- where are you when Colleen is being impossibly controlling on this list, and impossibly vulger and rude, to some really nice people??? An occassional, "cool it Colleen" on list or off, might make a real difference. It seems some of you have had your standards systematically lowered. I know the majority lurk and just surf for news here, and I am with them. But to those who think I was out of line -- I really want you to Ask yourself where you were when Colleen was writing rude comments about my PENIS on this list??? Why was that okay with you? Have your awareness and standards been so systematically lowered here on the Internet, or by her behaviour? Really? Do you need the fix of her "content" on this list so bad that you will so condone rudeness to others??? * Before you act shocked and offended, dear conscientious reader of Avalon, I invite you to review the record of this forum and review the not ONE, but TWO instances where Colleen felt that it somehow was her whatever to make nasty comments about someone's penis on this list. Yes, I know this sounds insane, but they are there in the public record of this forum, and when I did not respond to the first one, she indeed fired off a second!!! How absurd. What was the point? What was the intention? She doesn't know me. Under what standard did she decide that that was good list citizenship??? Now understand this. At that time, I had no memory of who Colleen was, everyone here was new again to me. But after the rude comments about my private part, it was pretty clear who Colleen was on this list. You know, it is a pretty strange and shocking thing when some stranger starts insulting your penis on a mailing list. I mean, how weird is this world, eh? Did I slam Colleen after the first rude attack? Nope. Did I slam her after the second rude attack?? Not at all. What I did, was I wrote her politely, and succinctly, OFF LINE and requested that she kindly not refer to me Personally, on this list again. I clarified that she was welcome to comment on my comments, but to please keep persons and personalities out of it. I received a rude reply from her demanding if I meant she could not comment on my comments on an open forum. My polite request had already been more than kind and more than clear. I think I went farther than most in ignoring her two completely rude and vulgar attacks on me, on this forum. And you see, I gave silence a try first. Twice. And then I gave politeness a try, twice. But Colleen continues to need to attack me on this forum. You see when you, as a group, or the list owner, condone that kind of behaviour, you well open the list to a few people that are going to rightfully stand up in ire and take a few shots back on occasion. Now, I have titled this post "Colleen's Penis Envy" in the hope that that title will draw some serious attention to these issues and her behaviour, and on a larger scale, what is really cool here to y'all??? Yes, it is a drag to ever have to be off topic, but when a list monster like Colleen insists on attacking people in these ways, again and again, sometimes we're going to shout back, folks! Really, those of you that think I was out of line, consider that it takes loudness sometimes to make people pay attention. Personally, I think all should treat all as politely as they would in real life, here. (I also think the list owner should review their philosophy on this stuff, he seems to think it is cool and entertaining that people attack people here and flame wars happen on occassion... Ergo, no real standards here. And a pity too, since it should be a classy Roxy Music list.) So again, rather than respond in kind at the time, I stayed silent and asked her politely to leave me alone. But she cannot. And she cannot, because she is the sick person I well described her to be in my post. If some thought my descriptions personal, sorry, they were far less personal than the kind of things she weaves in here all the time. So once every few months someone shouts back at her, you guys have a far larger problem of her regular daily rudeness to people she disagrees with. Good Luck. el _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #505 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest