From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #501 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, October 27 2001 Volume 06 : Number 501 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Re: Hammersmith [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Hammersmith [bmaccormick@cix.co.uk (Bill MacCormick)] [AVALON] Tour merchandise [bmaccormick@cix.co.uk (Bill MacCormick)] Re: [AVALON] Re: Hammersmith [bmaccormick@cix.co.uk (Bill MacCormick)] Re: [AVALON] Agree to differ. [bmaccormick@cix.co.uk (Bill MacCormick)] Re: [AVALON] Re: Hammersmith [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Bill MacCormick a fans reply, long post. [Avalon887@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Tour merchandise ["R. Jackson" ] To Bill M., RE: [AVALON] Tour merchandise ["Peter Seely" ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy Ripoff! ["Douglas Robertson" ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy Ripoff! [KWil632057@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Roxy Ripoff! [Rick ] Re: [AVALON] Tour merchandise ["psglass.charter.net" ] Re: [AVALON] Tour merchandise [Jim Rosencutter ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 10:30:22 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Hammersmith At 23.14 +0100 1-10-26, Bill MacCormick wrote: >> On 9/19/01 9:49 AM, Daniel Atterbom at daniel.atterbom@odata.se wrote: >> Manzanera even hinted that Eno might be a special guest at the up-coming >> London concerts. > >I find this unlikely but only Daniel can tell us exactly what Phil said. >I always believed that there was never any chance of Eno appearing on >stage or even in the audience. My main feeling was that they would, at >least, play a much longer set with some of the extra songs they rehearsed >but I was never actually told this. It might as simple as I, as one of three interviewers, misunderstood an answer from Phil. My tape recorder broke down and I have yet to recieve the notes from my colleague. What I remember Phil saying was that he wanted to bring the 1976 line-up of 801 back -- with Eno. Sorry if I have founded any misplaced optimism. I, as well as my colleague, were happy to attend the reunion tour. Copenhagen was a very good gig. Roxy Music were in great shape and they played songs from all periods of their career. It would have liked some other songs, but at least I did not have to endure some tracks I dislike (but I will not start a debate by naming them). Like the band I was sorry not to have Stockholm included in the tour, but since SFX owns the biggest promoter in Sweden it might have been a simple question of venues available: the rock clubs being too small, the Concert Hall booked with classical music and the sports arenas used for icehockey, soccer etc. SFX own a concert hall in Stockholm, but Roxy might not have played because it is too small. Or they were already booked elsewhere on the dates available. What do I know? Bill, I like your postings, do keep them up. Do you still pick up the bass guitar from time to time? NP Lars Winnerback, En svar och jobbig grej (A hard and difficult thing) Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 10:13 +0100 (BST) From: bmaccormick@cix.co.uk (Bill MacCormick) Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Hammersmith In article , princeofhappines@hotmail.com (Prince Of Happiness) wrote: > What about getting through to the people who released the Concerto CD? Indeed, what about them? Phil has never heard of them and he doesn't recollect getting paid anything. BM ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 10:13 +0100 (BST) From: bmaccormick@cix.co.uk (Bill MacCormick) Subject: [AVALON] Tour merchandise If anyone has any tour merchandise requirements I have a survey on Phil's site at http://www.manzanera.com/tourmerchandise.htm I cannot guarantee prices yet so all I am interested in at the moment is potential demand. Those people expressing an interest will be emailed with confirmation of availability and prices as soon as I have the details. This offer will only last a few weeks so please don't wait if you have a desperate need for one of those fetching little hooded items, etc. I always thought Ivor Canning would like rather splendid in one... Christmas present anyone? BM ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:12 +0100 (BST) From: bmaccormick@cix.co.uk (Bill MacCormick) Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Hammersmith In article , daniel.atterbom@odata.se (Daniel Atterbom) wrote: > What I remember Phil saying was that he wanted to bring the 1976 > line-up of > 801 back -- with Eno. Yes, he does have this crazy notion :-) > SFX own a concert hall in Stockholm, but Roxy might not have > played because it is too small. Or they were already booked elsewhere on > the dates available. What do I know? I believe Stockholm was on the list of potential cities quite near to the end but they ran out of available dates after the decision to return to the UK. > Bill, I like your postings, do keep them up. Do you still pick up the > bass > guitar from time to time? Phil's just arranged for Peavey to lend me a bass. It looks very pretty and my fingers are getting blisters from the long lay off. I can just about remember Diamond Head ;-) BM ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:12 +0100 (BST) From: bmaccormick@cix.co.uk (Bill MacCormick) Subject: Re: [AVALON] Agree to differ. In article <002901c15e74$405c69a0$160cfd3e@pbell>, thom.wallace@ntlworld.com (thom.wallace) wrote: > Would I > then be right in thinking that if the band had decided to record a new > studio album that Virgin would not have had any claim on it? Definitely. > I find it sad that the band have gone down a path over the years that > has > lead them to have so little control over the works that they created > and how > it is sold. In 1972 people signed contracts in all innocence that stitched them up in the most unholy fashion. I know, I signed one. It's really only in the last ten years or so that artists have woken up to the reality of their legal situation and most are unable to do anything because of the prohibitive legal costs. The band presumably signed their original contract with EG in good faith believing it protected their best interests but a way was found to get round it which was not in their best interests. I believe that what is needed is for a group of bands/artists to get together to take a case to the European Court about restraint of trade. Thousands of albums are contractually stitched up and the artists are unable to exploit their back catalogues without the labels either imposing unreasonable overrides or just saying no. This I believe breaks the law in a variety of ways but a legal precedent is required to enable people to get their music back. The contract I signed in 1972 is indicative of the problem: Matching Mole signed to CBS and they, as Sony, own those two albums in perpetuity even though they have not been pressed for years. I would like to get them back and re-package them and add stuff. Sony don't want to know and I can't force the issue. Through no fault of their own, RM are in a pretty similar position. > Btw which fridge and car models do you think may be offered > on > Manzanera.com Whaddya want? Bosch seems an appropriate make ;-) > Does this mean that there is a definite possibility that they were not? Anything is possible. > Perhaps I am wrong, but I get the feeling that you were not impressed > by the > way this tour was organised. If possible would you care to give us your > views on the tour, it's organisation and what you would have preferred > to > have been done? Better not. One thing, though. The unsung hero of this tour is John Giddins of Solo (this will not be a unanimously popular choice). It was John who persuaded SFX to guarantee the tour. He did it as a fan and everyone should thank him for seeing it through in the face of many problems. > On the topic of Phil, when do you > think he > will have a follow up to Vozero ready? If he is planning a new studio > album > do you think it will carry on from the latino style of music that he has > been working with in recent years? I hope to be looking at a variety of projects with Phil in the coming months. There are a large number of tracks he recorded that were not included on Vozero - some instrumentals and some quite 'poppy' songs - that I have been trying to kick into a running order. We are looking at another Archive CD with material written with David Gilmour, Eric Stewart and others. There is some Eno 801 stuff from production rehearsals lying around and Phil has some ideas for live work next summer. BM ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:29:11 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Hammersmith I (Daniel Atterbom) wrote: >> What I remember Phil saying was that he wanted to bring the 1976 >> line-up of >> 801 back -- with Eno. Bill MacCormick replied: >Yes, he does have this crazy notion :-) I great idea, as you know I really like 801 live. >> SFX own a concert hall in Stockholm, but Roxy might not have >> played because it is too small. Or they were already booked elsewhere on >> the dates available. What do I know? > >I believe Stockholm was on the list of potential cities quite near to the >end but they ran out of available dates after the decision to return to >the UK. I did spoke to someone who works at the SFX-own promotor in Stockholm and the idea had been floating around, but they were thinking about February next year. It was not his assignment so he propably did not know the terms of the tour. >> Bill, I like your postings, do keep them up. Do you still pick up the >> bass >> guitar from time to time? > >Phil's just arranged for Peavey to lend me a bass. It looks very pretty >and my fingers are getting blisters from the long lay off. I can just >about remember Diamond Head ;-) Well, I hope that 801 make it to Stockholm. :-) NP still Lars Winnerback live, Come Angels (Kom anglar) Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 07:01:47 EDT From: Avalon887@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bill MacCormick a fans reply, long post. I usually ignore these posts but I guess I woke up this morning with a different feeling. What I don't understand is why this topic is so important to people on this list! It's so trivial. Who actually gives a s**T? Obviously some of you Avalonians do. I've been going to concerts since tickets were $5.00 at the Fillmore East and the Palladium and we'd hear 4-6 hours of music. Now I pay upwards of $75.00 for 2 hours of music (RM $150 NY) and I still go to concerts! It's not the 70s anymore! Talk about the assets of the band and let RM & BF live forever!!!!! Eileen in Kew Gardens ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 04:04:45 -0700 From: "R. Jackson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Tour merchandise I dunno about anyone else, but the form wasn't working for me. Every time I tried to submit, it timed out on me. I certainly like the concept, though. ;-) - -Rob At 10:13 AM 10/27/2001 +0100, you wrote: >If anyone has any tour merchandise requirements I have a survey on Phil's >site at >http://www.manzanera.com/tourmerchandise.htm > >I cannot guarantee prices yet so all I am interested in at the moment is >potential demand. Those people expressing an interest will be emailed >with confirmation of availability and prices as soon as I have the >details. > >This offer will only last a few weeks so please don't wait if you have a >desperate need for one of those fetching little hooded items, etc. I >always thought Ivor Canning would like rather splendid in one... >Christmas present anyone? > >BM ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 07:43:36 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bill MacCormick a fans reply, long post. Im just pleased South Downs was used at the shows start. 80) Jonathan n/p Eyes Wide Shut ost ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:18:15 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] Strictly Confidential bounty Hey all Laughing Cow Records have released a commercial boot of the Atlanta 2001 show, entitled "7/26/01 Chastain Park." It's a very nice sleeve, and I would certainly like to post it in the Strictly Confidential Bootleg pages, but I really can't justify spending $33 on a show I already have just so I can lay the cover on my flatbed scanner. So I'm issuing a bounty on this sleeve. If anyone can forward me a jpg or gif of Laughing Cow's cover so that I may add it, I will copy and mail them any one unofficial CD from a big ole list that I'll provide. Grant Goggans please update links to -- http://www.geocities.com/popocalypse _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 07:47:47 -0500 From: "Rod LeCloux" Subject: [AVALON] OT: Nero 5.5 - slight pop between some tracks on source disc If any uses Nero please read the below problem. Hardware: Compag Presario 600Mhz 128MB 20GigHD DVD/CRRom: Compaq DVD-ROM DVD-114 Firmware 1.14 CD Recorder: LG CD-RW CED-8080B CD-RW Firmware 1.07 History: For the last 1.5 years I've been using CEQuadrat's Just Audio with no problems. I burned mainly audio discs in D-A-O mode. I just purchased Nero 5.5.4.2 on 10/25/01 from Best Buy($69.99). Problem: Slight small pop between "some" of the tracks on the Target disc. Between tracks 2/3, 3/4, 7/8 and 8/9. Source disc: Pink Floyd - The Wall (Columbia 53180 Box Set). I did find a "box" on the menu CDA Options that is called "Remove silence at the end of *.cda tracks". I've tried it with this box checked and unchecked. It made no difference. "Pops" showed up in both target discs between the exact same locations. I've looked for all the obvious things like D-A-O. I always burn in D-A-O mode. I set the gap between tracks at 0 seconds (except for track 1). What's left to experiment with? Should I uncheck D-A-O? Thanks, Rod ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 09:15:57 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Ripoff! "...Sorry for length, end of rant." And your point was? "My money, my choice, my consciousness, my choice." Was that so hard to say in anything less than 5K? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 08:05:14 -0400 From: "Peter Seely" Subject: To Bill M., RE: [AVALON] Tour merchandise To Bill MacCormick: As you may now be aware, Bravenet Services is down for a few days. Pete Seely - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill MacCormick" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 5:13 AM Subject: [AVALON] Tour merchandise > If anyone has any tour merchandise requirements I have a survey on Phil's > site at > http://www.manzanera.com/tourmerchandise.htm > > I cannot guarantee prices yet so all I am interested in at the moment is > potential demand. Those people expressing an interest will be emailed > with confirmation of availability and prices as soon as I have the > details. > > This offer will only last a few weeks so please don't wait if you have a > desperate need for one of those fetching little hooded items, etc. I > always thought Ivor Canning would like rather splendid in one... > Christmas present anyone? > > BM > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 09:52:00 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Hammersmith Bill MacCormick wrote: "... and given the lack of time available (and their widespread lack of interest/understanding of the Internet) I find it difficult to..." Well, thank God, at least you have an interest and understanding of the internet - because, if not, we'd all have to live with the likes of bryanferry.com! My complements on manzanera.com, I particularly enjoy the archives. "EG signed the company over to Virgin with all of it assets, including the Roxy catalogue, in perpetuity." A pity that is - the same old story, owned by the company store. Thank you for enlightening us, however. The lack of reliable information seems to have been a rooted problem in attempts at productive discussions on Avalon List. I, for one, really appreciate your time and effort to communicate and share information with us - perhaps we can step out of the 'dark ages' and enter a 'renaissance' with your contributions? "...one of those fetching little hooded items, etc. I always thought Ivor Canning would like rather splendid in one..." LOL! I rather fancy Ivor hooded - 'Brother' Ivor Extraordinaire! "I can just about remember Diamond Head ;-)" Ultra Cool! But ouch, those blisters! I'm excited by the prospect of new and or reworked material being done by Mr. Manzanera and yourself. BTW, are you still politically involved with the liberal party? You must be very busy. Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 15:22:03 +0100 From: "Douglas Robertson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Ripoff! I would pay it again. even for the same ?. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KB Porter" To: Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Ripoff! > "...Sorry for length, end of rant." > > And your point was? > > "My money, my choice, my consciousness, my choice." > > Was that so hard to say in anything less than 5K? > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:23:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Ripoff! >From: "Eman 97" >I gladly paid $600.00 USD for front row center seats. When the tour was >announce, I decided on a psychological budget point for which I would pay >for those kind of seats. If needed I had plenty of time to raise the >money. How nice for you. >The energy expended bitching about the cost, criticizing the band for not >being as conscious as the Greatful Dead... That energy could be spent >earning back the money working for some entity or charity that pays a >little bit for part time help, evenings and weekends (they are out >there), or even better, get off the poverty consciousness wheel. Perhaps, in your trawling of the self-help genre, you missed the section about how your life experience cannot be extrapolated as a whole to anyone else. Here's a real life seminar (no charge): People didn't miss out on the tour because they weren't enlightened enough or because they didn't sell their family heirlooms to buy front row seats marked up 6+X the face value. They didn't go because they were held back by the "poverty consciousness wheel." They didn't go because they had lives already laden with responsibilities: children, family vacations already planned, summer school, home renovations, ill relatives who needed them, demanding jobs, personal losses, etc. You know--they had lives. And some people didn't go because of poverty reality. It's presumption of the highest order to suggest people didn't just work hard enough to go. Then again, maybe it's just a simple reading comprehension problem as almost all, if not all, of the ticket price thread was populated by people who indeed plunked down their cash and went to shows. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:29:20 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Ripoff! I might be in a minority here, but did anyone else have a good time this summer? I did... Jonathan n/p Joe Dolce 'Shuddup a ya Face' In a message dated 27/10/01 16:25:07 GMT Daylight Time, cjem@his.com writes: > > > >From: "Eman 97" > > >I gladly paid $600.00 USD for front row center seats. When the tour was > >announce, I decided on a psychological budget point for which I would pay > >for those kind of seats. If needed I had plenty of time to raise the > >money. > > How nice for you. > > >The energy expended bitching about the cost, criticizing the band for not > >being as conscious as the Greatful Dead... That energy could be spent > >earning back the money working for some entity or charity that pays a > >little bit for part time help, evenings and weekends (they are out > >there), or even better, get off the poverty consciousness wheel. > > Perhaps, in your trawling of the self-help genre, you missed the section > about how your life experience cannot be extrapolated as a whole to anyone > else. > > Here's a real life seminar (no charge): People didn't miss out on the > tour because they weren't enlightened enough or because they didn't sell > their family heirlooms to buy front row seats marked up 6+X the face > value. They didn't go because they were held back by the "poverty > consciousness wheel." They didn't go because they had lives already laden > with responsibilities: children, family vacations already planned, summer > school, home renovations, ill relatives who needed them, demanding jobs, > personal losses, etc. You know--they had lives. And some people didn't > go because of poverty reality. It's presumption of the highest order to > suggest people didn't just work hard enough to go. > > Then again, maybe it's just a simple reading comprehension problem as > almost all, if not all, of the ticket price thread was populated by people > who indeed plunked down their cash and went to shows. > > Colleen > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-xb04.mx.aol.com (rly-xb04.mail.aol.com > [172.20.105.105]) by air-xb03.mail.aol.com (v81.9) with ESMTP id > MAILINXB34-1027112507; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:25:07 -0400 > Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [66.89.201.78]) by > rly-xb04.mx.aol.com (v80.21) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXB42-1027112453; Sat, > 27 Oct 2001 11:24:53 -0400 > Received: from smoe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f9RFOQgT012180; > Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:24:27 -0400 (EDT) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:43:31 -0400 From: Rick Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxy Ripoff! I had a GREAT time this summer Jonathan. Because I saw Roxy Music live once more! I think the minority are those who keep bitching. Who here did NOT see Roxy Music this tour and why? Enough speculation, lets hear it. - -----Original Message----- From: KWil632057@aol.com [SMTP:KWil632057@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 11:29 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Ripoff! I might be in a minority here, but did anyone else have a good time this summer? I did... Jonathan n/p Joe Dolce 'Shuddup a ya Face' In a message dated 27/10/01 16:25:07 GMT Daylight Time, cjem@his.com writes: > > > >From: "Eman 97" > > >I gladly paid $600.00 USD for front row center seats. When the tour was > >announce, I decided on a psychological budget point for which I would pay > >for those kind of seats. If needed I had plenty of time to raise the > >money. > > How nice for you. > > >The energy expended bitching about the cost, criticizing the band for not > >being as conscious as the Greatful Dead... That energy could be spent > >earning back the money working for some entity or charity that pays a > >little bit for part time help, evenings and weekends (they are out > >there), or even better, get off the poverty consciousness wheel. > > Perhaps, in your trawling of the self-help genre, you missed the section > about how your life experience cannot be extrapolated as a whole to anyone > else. > > Here's a real life seminar (no charge): People didn't miss out on the > tour because they weren't enlightened enough or because they didn't sell > their family heirlooms to buy front row seats marked up 6+X the face > value. They didn't go because they were held back by the "poverty > consciousness wheel." They didn't go because they had lives already laden > with responsibilities: children, family vacations already planned, summer > school, home renovations, ill relatives who needed them, demanding jobs, > personal losses, etc. You know--they had lives. And some people didn't > go because of poverty reality. It's presumption of the highest order to > suggest people didn't just work hard enough to go. > > Then again, maybe it's just a simple reading comprehension problem as > almost all, if not all, of the ticket price thread was populated by people > who indeed plunked down their cash and went to shows. > > Colleen > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from rly-xb04.mx.aol.com (rly-xb04.mail.aol.com > [172.20.105.105]) by air-xb03.mail.aol.com (v81.9) with ESMTP id > MAILINXB34-1027112507; Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:25:07 -0400 > Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [66.89.201.78]) by > rly-xb04.mx.aol.com (v80.21) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXB42-1027112453; Sat, > 27 Oct 2001 11:24:53 -0400 > Received: from smoe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f9RFOQgT012180; > Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:24:27 -0400 (EDT) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef] ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:44:24 -0700 From: "psglass.charter.net" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Tour merchandise I had trouble "SENDING".. my tour merchandise request form too.......do you realize that it is Halloween time? Last night I took my son and 10 of his 14 year old buddies out to a couple a haunted houses and then we went to the Varsity for chili dogs and other artery clogging grub. After that my hubby and I went out for a martini and a warmed cognac.....it was a great night...until I came in to shut down the computer for the night and was bombarded with all of these potentially migrane inducing Avalon postings from hell...people, please , go and do something fun that brings you some joy.....just a suggestion From: Bill MacCormick To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 2:13 AM Subject: [AVALON] Tour merchandise > If anyone has any tour merchandise requirements I have a survey on Phil's > site at > http://www.manzanera.com/tourmerchandise.htm > > I cannot guarantee prices yet so all I am interested in at the moment is > potential demand. Those people expressing an interest will be emailed > with confirmation of availability and prices as soon as I have the > details. > > This offer will only last a few weeks so please don't wait if you have a > desperate need for one of those fetching little hooded items, etc. I > always thought Ivor Canning would like rather splendid in one... > Christmas present anyone? > > BM > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 17:48:12 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ole-Petter_Dr=F8nen?= Subject: [AVALON] Bill MacCormick etc, a medium long post I went from Norway to England on a 10 days trip in June. I went to 7 fantastic performances by my all time fave' band. I met A LOT OF nice people from the list. I think the prices were OK (it was Roxy Music!!!!). The only disappointment was the poor sound at the 3 Wembley concerts , after having experienced almost perfect sound twice in Birmingham + once in Sheffield and Manchester. I can understand that people are different (thank God!!), but I find it utterly boring to read all the discussions about prices, how many people who attended the various concerts etc. I do not intend to take part in that, more than the following short comment. I do appreciate that mr.MacCormick, the excellent bass-player of 801, Matching Mole, Quiet Sun etc, and web-master(?) at Manzanera.com, enlightened us about the SFX-tour-agreements. I think what he tells us sounds fair enough. I think it was a smart move to go for such a deal, since their income is guaranteed that way. There are more than enough bands who have LOST a lot of money on world tours. (I guess Bryan didn't earn much during his 1977 world tour). I do though hope that it will be possible to release some old concerts ` la King Crimson; either as a collector's club, or as cd-boxes such as "The great deceiver" or "Epitaph". Preferably complete concerts. The only difficulty seems to be Virgin. I guess that can't be such a big problem! Virgin is a company and would of course love to make some money. I think they would very interested in some releases, even limited editions. If they released nice boxes with a lot of info, pictures etc , I guess people would love to buy them (almost at any cost)? Finally I'd like to thank all the people who has greeted me after I moved to Gran Canary. It's still just lovely here, sunshine and +/-28 degrees Celsius every day. All the best from Ole-Petter - ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill MacCormick To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Hammersmith > In article , eddieriff@yahoo.com (David > Firmin) wrote: > > > On 9/1/01, The Team at Expression Records wrote: > > Phil mentioned that for the 'extra' shows, which I believe now means > > Hammersmith, he was hoping they would include not only songs that were, > > from > > time to time, dropped but also some others not played on the tour but > > rehearsed. The Bogus Man was one that comes to mind. > > This is what I was told. I took it in good faith. > > > On 9/3/01, The Official Roxy Music Tour 2001 News page stated: > > Phil has confirmed that there will be unspecified 'extras' at all four > > UK > > shows at the end of September and beginning of October. The nature of > > these > > 'extras' is not yet completely decided but we will bring details as > > soon as > > we have them. > > Again, what I was told and I reported it in good faith. > > > On 9/19/01 9:49 AM, Daniel Atterbom at daniel.atterbom@odata.se wrote: > > Manzanera even hinted that Eno might be a special guest at the up-coming > > London concerts. > > I find this unlikely but only Daniel can tell us exactly what Phil said. > I always believed that there was never any chance of Eno appearing on > stage or even in the audience. My main feeling was that they would, at > least, play a much longer set with some of the extra songs they rehearsed > but I was never actually told this. > > > On 10/2/01 some f**ker wrote to my Roxy forum and wrote: > > EXTRAS CONFIRMED - I CAN CONFIRM - BRIAN ENO WILL APPEAR FOR THE ENCORE > > WHICH WILL BE EDITIONS OF YOU & FOR YOUR PLEASURE. > > See above. I have no idea who was responsible for this. Given the > history over the past few years this was never on. > > > On 10/3/01 he wrote: > > SORRY.....STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL. > > Sorry for the red herring , but there were still unsold tickets...its > > all > > PR, Marketing, maximizing brand exposure blah!,blah,blah! > > It wouldn't altogether surprise me if some 'enterprising' person > associated with the tour tried this on, though I have no idea who it could > be. Certainly, the band itself had no financial interest in drumming up > ticket sales and given the lack of time available (and their widespread > lack of interest/understanding of the Internet) I find it difficult to > believe that anyone directly associated with the main men would have > resorted to this underhand ploy. > > BM > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 12:02:26 -0700 From: "psglass.charter.net" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Tour merchandise BILL, I HAD TROUBLE WITH THE TOUR MDSE. SITE. I am one of the people that have e.mailed you personally as per Chris Turner's suggestion. I just do not want to miss out on the opportunity. I could not bring myself to buy all this stuff that I wanted at the concerts. I was afraid that my husband would leave me...due to my extreme and obvious over zealousness. But today when when I told him some tour goods could be gotten, to my surprise and delight, he too wants some . Please ....dont't let me miss out...thanks a bunch...Pam From: Bill MacCormick To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 2:13 AM Subject: [AVALON] Tour merchandise > If anyone has any tour merchandise requirements I have a survey on Phil's > site at > http://www.manzanera.com/tourmerchandise.htm > > I cannot guarantee prices yet so all I am interested in at the moment is > potential demand. Those people expressing an interest will be emailed > with confirmation of availability and prices as soon as I have the > details. > > This offer will only last a few weeks so please don't wait if you have a > desperate need for one of those fetching little hooded items, etc. I > always thought Ivor Canning would like rather splendid in one... > Christmas present anyone? > > BM > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 18:34:35 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Ripoff! At 11.29 -0400 1-10-27, KWil632057@aol.com wrote: >I might be in a minority here, but did anyone else have a good time this >summer? I had a great summer. Meeting a fellow Avalonian as well as one of two fathers-in-laws (divorces creates new types of families) at my house. Getting a new dog, reading and watching videos with the wife. Seeing Roxy Music in September was a plus. At 17.48 +0200 1-10-27, Ole-Petter Drxnen wrote: >Finally I'd like to thank all the people who has greeted me after I moved >to Gran Canary. It's still just lovely here, sunshine and +/-28 degrees >Celsius every day. How could you trade Norway for Spain, did you want to join to European Community on your own? .-) Still playing Lars Winnerback. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:44:38 -0500 From: Jim Rosencutter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Tour merchandise Are there pictures of these items somewhere? Bill MacCormick wrote: > If anyone has any tour merchandise requirements I have a survey on Phil's > site at > http://www.manzanera.com/tourmerchandise.htm > > I cannot guarantee prices yet so all I am interested in at the moment is > potential demand. Those people expressing an interest will be emailed > with confirmation of availability and prices as soon as I have the > details. > > This offer will only last a few weeks so please don't wait if you have a > desperate need for one of those fetching little hooded items, etc. I > always thought Ivor Canning would like rather splendid in one... > Christmas present anyone? > > BM > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #501 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest