From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #498 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, October 26 2001 Volume 06 : Number 498 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Two Dicks Battle It Out [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] Yawn maybe, but let's get this straight [Chandla911@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Two Dicks Battle It Out [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Two Dicks Battle It Out [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Re-make/Re-model [Jollyjd@aol.com] [AVALON] Rock Follies etc ["Ian Mitchell" ] Re: [AVALON] Re-make/Re-model [Heather James ] RE: Re: [AVALON] Two Dicks Battle It Out ["David Markfield" ] [AVALON] Bill MacCormick a fans reply, long post. ["thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Two Dicks Battle It Out On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Bill MacCormick wrote: > Richard, > > You are talking bollocks. You clearly have no idea as to how this > tour was financed and who was responsible for what. Briefly, though, > it goes like this: If folks are talking "bollocks" on the list, that perhaps it is due to the fact that--despite a large amount of interest in and support of the Roxy reunion tour on the part of most of this list (even those who were unable to attend a show)--this is the first time (at least that I can remember) that someone connected with the band has shown up to provide information about the tour. Thanks. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 12:03:43 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Yawn maybe, but let's get this straight Bill MacCormick apparently wrote: >Richard, >You are talking bollocks. You clearly have no idea as to how this tour >was financed and who was responsible for what. Briefly, though, it goes >like this: >1. Promoter approaches RM and offers them $x to do 50 date world tour >2. RM agree >3. Promoter is responsible for choice of venues, ticket prices, sales, >promotion, security., >4. RM are responsible for the show, i.e. they are provided with an empty >venue, turn up, play, go away. RM cover all costs for show, travel, >accommodation, etc. >5. The Apollo was played because, together, the two shows comprised the >last date of the tour (technically 50 and 51 but, because of size >limitations, actually date 50). The choice of venue was the promoter's. >6. As everywhere else, the venue and the ticket prices were solely the >decision of the promoter. >7. The amount of money RM will be paid did not depend on the ticket prices >there or anywhere else as the amount they were to be paid was guaranteed >up front before the tour even started. >8. Ticket prices were set by the promoter because, in their judgement, >they would cover RM's fee, costs and their profits. >So, if you have a beef about the ticket prices, take it up with the >promoter. They were nothing to do with the band. >As to the tour's promotion, SFX were solely responsible for it because >that's the way they wanted it. PR, advertising and all other promotional >activities (or their lack of) were their responsibility. Why they did the >job they did when they knew exactly how much the tour had to gross before >it even started is beyond me. Go figure. I'm delighted to have got this response from Bill, even pleased to be told I'm talking bollocks if indeed I am, but I'm damned if I can find what point Bill's taking issue with. I never said Roxy set the prices. I have in fact stated they agreed a guaranteed fee in advance of the tour. So OF COURSE it was the promoters who chose the venues and set the prices. And BECAUSE they had promised Roxy the guaranteed fee, they had to up the prices in a smaller venue (Hammersmith). I think the facts Bill's listed back up my argument. There was but one reason why Roxy agreed to do the tour (for the guaranteed sum) and that was money. Not because the guys are hanging out together and plan to make more NEW music. Not because after years of jamming together at private parties, they thought they'd let the public in on the act. And do I care? No, not at all, because we all had a really good, really good time. But the incentive was money. The promoters needed to cover their agreed costs, which affected the ticket prices. As I've demonstrated 80% sold at #50 does the job just as well as 100% at #40. Just one ticket sold over 80% is even better profit (even with 3,000 seats, the maths remain the same). And if seeing Roxy Music wasn't incentive enough for 3,000 fans to shell out (and it wasn't going by all the empty seats), the story of end-of-tour 'extras' at Hammersmith was fabricated. I'm at a loss to understand which bit of this I've not tumbled... Best wishes Richard Mills n/p 801 Live - I was there at QEH that night and it was quite something! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:16:27 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Two Dicks Battle It Out In a message dated 25/10/01 16:59:12 GMT Daylight Time, cjem@his.com writes: > If folks are talking "bollocks" on the list, that perhaps it is due to the > fact that--despite a large amount of interest in and support of the Roxy > reunion tour on the part of most of this list (even those who were unable > to attend a show)--this is the first time (at least that I can remember) > that someone connected with the band has shown up to provide information > about the tour. Thanks. > > Colleen > Well, gee i guess they where busy rehearsing and administrating the neccesary aspects of putting on the shows....did you not see the advertising promoting the tour? Jonathan ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:38:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Two Dicks Battle It Out On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > Well, gee i guess they where busy rehearsing and administrating the > neccesary aspects of putting on the shows....did you not see the > advertising promoting the tour? Not unsurprisingly, you've missed my point. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:41:09 EDT From: Jollyjd@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-make/Re-model ANY FIRM DATES FOR FERRY 2001 PLEASE ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 02:49:15 +0930 From: "Ian Mitchell" Subject: [AVALON] Rock Follies etc Hi All, I went to get my video fixed at a shop in Adelaide (South Australia) and the shop used to be a record bar in the Seventies. It seems the owner (a total Basil Fawlty type) decided he would stop the record nonsense and basically frighten all his customers away to concentrate on fixing amps, TVs etc. Anyway I look in the musty pile of of never played albums out the back and score a vinyl copy of Rock Follies (Mint condition). Nice one. Rock Follies was a great TV show camp, surreal, great characters, Andys music bla bla bla. My question is does anyone have the series on video as the BBC don't have it in their catalogue and can anyone help me get a copy. By the way I have bought a CD burner and I am ready to tree. Ian of Adelaide - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.286 / Virus Database: 152 - Release Date: 9/10/2001 [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of Ian Mitchell (E-mail).vcf] ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 13:49:53 -0400 From: Heather James Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-make/Re-model YAWN - huh, oh ... Whoops ...! you missed it - Roxy Music Tour 2001 (50 stops) ended earlier this month - - maybe next year ... -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com Heather's WebGal Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ My Music Trader Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-boots.html >-------------------------------------------------------------------------< Jollyjd@aol.com wrote: >ANY FIRM DATES FOR FERRY 2001 PLEASE > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > - -- ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:59:46 -0700 From: "David Markfield" Subject: RE: Re: [AVALON] Two Dicks Battle It Out Two thoughts 1 - Bill has been very available on the manzanera.com site and Paul has always been accessible on his site 2 - Thoughts on complaints about ticket price. Yes it was alot. But in the end it really comes down to what it is worth for you. People have spent hundreds if not thousands of dollars traveling to see Roxy. Would i like to do that - absolutely. But I cant. Worth is relative. To me it was worth it to spend the money I did to see Roxy but not worth it to travel and see multiple shows. On the other hand there are smaller acts who I would feel were charging too much if they charged $15 - $20. In the end it comes down to what does it mean to you and do you have that amount of commitment. Think more mundane - is it worth it to see a movie in the evening as opposed to a matineee or to go to one restaurant as opposed to another. Thats all it comes down to - consumer choices. The big companies such as SFX have no real care about the fan. They just look at the bottom line. Roxy Music Live was a product in the market place just like any thing on the grocer's shelf and it was up to us the consumer to decide if we liked that brand and felt it was reasonable priced so as to purchase. If not we purchase another brand (ie attend a different concert) or purchased nothing at all (dont attend live concerts). We tend not to rail against Kellog's because Frosted Flakes are expense. well enough rambling dave >--- Original Message --- >From: KWil632057@aol.com >To: avalon@smoe.org >Date: 10/25/01 6:16:27 AM > >In a message dated 25/10/01 16:59:12 GMT Daylight Time, cjem@his.com writes: > > >> If folks are talking "bollocks" on the list, that perhaps it is due to the >> fact that--despite a large amount of interest in and support of the Roxy >> reunion tour on the part of most of this list (even those who were unable >> to attend a show)--this is the first time (at least that I can remember) >> that someone connected with the band has shown up to provide information >> about the tour. Thanks. >> >> Colleen >> > >Well, gee i guess they where busy rehearsing and administrating the neccesary >aspects of putting on the shows....did you not see the advertising promoting >the tour? > >Jonathan > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:03:02 +0100 From: "Philip Adams" Subject: Re: [AVALON] hammersmith tickets For fucks sake, how long is this going to go on for? Philip > For #37.50p I'm going to see Phantom of the Opera in London tomorrow > evening, for this I will get a company of over 20 performers, stunning lead > rolls, an incredible set, a programme that costs under a fiver, an orchestra > & great songs. I was at Hammy 2, down the front, I had a wonderful time, but > my complaint is not really the value for money, but the fact that once > promoters start to realise they can charge these sort of ticket prices, then > you could be paying 50 pound a ticket to see Bryan Ferry at your local arena > in 2002, there you could be 200 rows from the front. It will be a sad state > of affairs when artists stop worrying whether their shows don't sell out > because they earn exorbitant amounts of cah in the first place. When I first > saw Roxy Music in 1973, I think the price of tickets were about 2/3rds of > the price of Stranded the album they were promoting. So there you have it. > 50pounds is alot of money for a concert, but I paid my 50, stood down the > front & had a great time. > > Terry "O" > > PS: I think what is really poor is the lack of promised extras (shame on > Phil Mananera & his site), as I think that if they had took the trouble to > reherse say Beauty Queen & The thrill of it All I would not be typing this > now. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rosalind Bull > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:58 AM > Subject: RE: [AVALON] hammersmith tickets > > > > Yes, but our 50 pound tickets got us right down to the very front, and > that, > > frankly, was worth it. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Niki H [mailto:nikifrance@hotmail.com] > > Sent: 24 October 2001 19:06 > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > Subject: [AVALON] hammersmith tickets > > > > > > I hate to tell you there were some touts outside well before the start of > > the second night selling 50 pounds tickets for 5 pounds. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 17:26:25 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] hammersmith tickets In a message dated 25/10/01 22:09:12 GMT Daylight Time, philipcadams@lineone.net writes: > For fucks sake, how long is this going to go on for? > > Philip Too right, come on people....that was probably the last chance to see Roxy live....ever....of course it was worth it. Jonathan n/p Pulp 'We Love Life' ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:49:17 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Yawn maybe, but let's get this straight - ----- Original Message ----- the story of end-of-tour 'extras' at Hammersmith was fabricated. In which case was it not the promotors job to advertise "extra's" to get the punters through the door for the final 4 dates, not anyone at Phil Manzaneras web site or connected to the Roxy touring machine. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:57:37 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] hammersmith tickets Come on Philip, give us a topic that gets Avalonians gonig as well as the Hammy ticket prices, don't forget we all love Roxy Music, but we don't ask to be ripped off. Terry "O" - ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip Adams To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] hammersmith tickets > For fucks sake, how long is this going to go on for? > > Philip > > > > > > > For #37.50p I'm going to see Phantom of the Opera in London tomorrow > > evening, for this I will get a company of over 20 performers, stunning > lead > > rolls, an incredible set, a programme that costs under a fiver, an > orchestra > > & great songs. I was at Hammy 2, down the front, I had a wonderful time, > but > > my complaint is not really the value for money, but the fact that once > > promoters start to realise they can charge these sort of ticket prices, > then > > you could be paying 50 pound a ticket to see Bryan Ferry at your local > arena > > in 2002, there you could be 200 rows from the front. It will be a sad > state > > of affairs when artists stop worrying whether their shows don't sell out > > because they earn exorbitant amounts of cah in the first place. When I > first > > saw Roxy Music in 1973, I think the price of tickets were about 2/3rds of > > the price of Stranded the album they were promoting. So there you have > it. > > 50pounds is alot of money for a concert, but I paid my 50, stood down the > > front & had a great time. > > > > Terry "O" > > > > PS: I think what is really poor is the lack of promised extras (shame on > > Phil Mananera & his site), as I think that if they had took the trouble > to > > reherse say Beauty Queen & The thrill of it All I would not be typing this > > now. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rosalind Bull > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:58 AM > > Subject: RE: [AVALON] hammersmith tickets > > > > > > > Yes, but our 50 pound tickets got us right down to the very front, and > > that, > > > frankly, was worth it. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Niki H [mailto:nikifrance@hotmail.com] > > > Sent: 24 October 2001 19:06 > > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > > Subject: [AVALON] hammersmith tickets > > > > > > > > > I hate to tell you there were some touts outside well before the start > of > > > the second night selling 50 pounds tickets for 5 pounds. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > The subliminable footer says: > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > The subliminable footer says: > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:19 +0100 (BST) From: bmaccormick@cix.co.uk (Bill MacCormick) Subject: Re: [AVALON] Two Dicks Battle It Out KB, I cannot comment on the SFX's corporate decision making... sorry, I cannot understand the results of SFX's corporate decision making. Tax loss? Incompetence? The results of a vertical monopoly in the entertainment industry that I am staggered has not come to attention of US anti-trust officials? Who can tell? BM In article <3BD822B2.8770228@attglobal.net>, kbporte@attglobal.net (KB Porter) wrote: > I've tried to understand SFX's market strategy with regard to the > recently completed Roxy Music tour. The only reasonable conclusion I > come to is that the promoter's advertising and publicity (at least in > the US) for said tour was minimal, perhaps, because they never really > viewed the tour as a profit center, but as a marginal break even deal > that occupied SFX venues that may otherwise have been underutilized by > the company. It it possible that Roxy Music's shows were staged as > capital overhead expense defrayers? Please say it ain't so (genteelly > please). ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:19 +0100 (BST) From: bmaccormick@cix.co.uk (Bill MacCormick) Subject: Re: [AVALON] Yawn maybe, but let's get this straight Richard, You wrote: "Whether Roxy insist on being paid upfront or, like Chuck Berry, come offstage at the precise time and grab their bag of cash from The Man on their way to the car is anyone's guess, but there was one reason why they did this gig." "This gig" in your message clearly refers to the Apollo, not the tour as a whole. The one reason they did "This gig" at "those prices" was because the promoter told them to. That's what happens when you sign a contract. Your message, which started pointing out that the theatre wasn't full then seemed to suggest that ticket prices may have been the cause (quite possibly ) and that the band were somehow responsible for the ticket prices, ergo, their greed prevented fans from seeing their last two gigs. Whether you meant people to infer this from your message or not that was the very strong impression it gave out... and it is incorrect. And, of course, they did the tour for money. John Peel does pet food adverts for money. I assume you work for money. What's the problem? BM ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:35 +0100 (BST) From: bmaccormick@cix.co.uk (Bill MacCormick) Subject: Re: [AVALON] Yawn maybe, but let's get this straight I printed what I was told in good faith on Phil's site and, to be blunt, was as surprised as anyone (as well as considerably embarrassed) that nothing extra was forthcoming. When I first saw the Apollo ticket prices I told people that fans deserved something more than the basic show for that sort of money. Yannick Etienne was not what I had in mind, nice though it was to see/hear her. BM In article <004b01c15da0$3a384000$b2a46fd4@oemcomputer>, terrypaulrigz8c@supanet.com (terrypaulrigz8c) wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > > the story of end-of-tour 'extras' at Hammersmith was fabricated. > > > In which case was it not the promotors job to advertise "extra's" to > get the > punters through the door for the final 4 dates, not anyone at Phil > Manzaneras web site or connected to the Roxy touring machine. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 18:32:04 -0400 From: Don Becker Subject: Re: [AVALON] Two Dicks Battle It Out Bill MacCormick wrote: > KB, > > I cannot comment on the SFX's corporate decision making... sorry, I cannot > understand the results of SFX's corporate decision making. Tax loss? > Incompetence? The results of a vertical monopoly in the entertainment > industry that I am staggered has not come to attention of US anti-trust > officials? Who can tell? The problem is that that sort of monopoly has come to the US government's attention (witness Pearl Jam appearing before Congress to talk about Ticketmaster), but nowadays unless you throw the word "terrorism" around Congress won't do a thing... not that they cared in 1993 when Ticketmaster was first brought to their attention, mind you. - --Don ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 00:53:15 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: [AVALON] Bill MacCormick a fans reply, long post. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill MacCormick" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Two Dicks Battle It Out > So, if you have a beef about the ticket prices, take it up with the > promoter. They were nothing to do with the band. Nice get out clause, I would have thought that if the band gave a hoot about their fans that they would have taken some interest. From the fans that I've spoken to the general feeling is that we've always come bottom of the pile where Roxy or Bryan was concerned. The supposed "extras" that didn't appear for the last four shows are only the latest snub. Even I have to admit that some of the US gigs looked a bit on theshort side. Most bands who have their remastered works released have something additional added and what do we get, yet more compilations. I've always gone with the "nobody forces you to buy it" school of thought, but that's wearing a bit thin where Roxy are concerned. Let's hope tht when the new DVD surfaces that it utilizes the media a heck of a lot better then Bryan's Paris disc did. As someone who has followed Roxy as a band and as solo artists since '72 I couldn't help but feel that the "we're only in it for the money" aspect to the tour soured what should have been a triumphant return to the stage. As for the bands "unfinished business" justification for the tour that doen't entirely settle when you look at the set lists with the songs that gave Roxy some substance either being ignored or dropped in favour of the light weight tracks from '79 omwards. Sure it was good to hear them again, but it would have been a lot more pleasing to hear tracks like Beauty Queen, Pyjamarama or The Bogus Man. Perhaps it was time for the band to decide who they wanted to actually satisfy, their true fans or the supper market shoppers who only ever want to hear Dance Away or Jealous Guy. Let's face it it won't be the latter who will fork out when the DVD finally appears. It would be nice to think that you are who you say you are, then at least sombody on the inside would actually take the fans views to the people who could make the difference, the three members of Roxy themselves. Tom Wallace ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:14:14 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ole-Petter_Dr=F8nen?= Subject: SV: [AVALON] Re-make/Re-model I offered RM/RM to record their "A Mad Affair" - gig last year on multitrack-equipment, but the venue was too small for my equipment. opd np John Cale-Fear - ----- Original Message ----- From: terrypaulrigz8c To: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-make/Re-model > Is anyone in touch with RM/RM, are they ever going to get one of thier > performances onto tape/CD or maybe record a covers album? > > Terry "O" > > NP: The Slider/ T.REX > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Fiske, Jocelyn > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:15 AM > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re-make/Re-model > > > > No Beauty Queen? They get more and more like Roxy everyday. > > > > > > > > If any of you guys out there in Europe haven't seen Remake before you > really > > must try, they are superb and it was touch and go as to who we enjoyed > more > > at Rotterdam during the tour, RM or the double RMs. > > > > And I'll never forget seeing Ron Remake down the front at Hammersmith 2, > > singing his heart out, He sounded more like Ferry than Ferry, it was most > > bizarre. > > > > > > > > Jocelyn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ed Stobbelaar [mailto:ed.renate@hetnet.nl] > > > > Sent: 24 October 2001 19:30 > > > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > > > Subject: [AVALON] Re-make/Re-model > > > > > > > > > > > > Last Saturday Re-make/Re-model played in a bar in Schiedam, near > Rotterdam. > > > > > > > > And it was one of the best gigs I saw of them. > > > > > > > > It was very busy, and the crowd loved it. > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:06:48 -0700 From: "Keith Shockley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "In Every Dream Home a Heartache" -misheard lyrics - ----- Original Message ----- From: G|nter Wandtke To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "In Every Dream Home a Heartache" -misheard lyrics I also find The Bogus Man to be the highlight of Viva!. Bryan's vocals give the song a new intensity that puts it above the studio versions. Keith > I agree with you on VIVA but for one thing: > My absolute Nr 1 song of VIVA is "The Bogus Man" > The way Bryan sings the lines > > Focused his mind on something he cared about > But it came out a shout just like before > > and > > Concealed his doubt by skillful evasion > But he couldn't find out about deception > > is totally unreal and unmatched in terms of strength of voice and emotion in > any other song, IMO that is of course. Gives me goose bumps and tears almost > any time. > > Gunter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "In Every Dream Home a Heartache" -misheard > lyrics > > > > Live versus studio..definitely live on Viva!! The best live version of it > and the second best track on Viva after ( or maybe tied with ) Out Of The > Blue..somewhat sinister..and a very strong sound, TGPT and Manzanera at > their best on this version of the song. > > > > After seeing them in NY this summer I played the Viva! version a lot and > very loud driving round Ireland > > > > Raymond > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 06:32:17 +0000 From: "Martin Stockman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re-make/Re-model Isn't it time they revisited UK ? - ---------- From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" To: "'avalon@smoe.org'" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re-make/Re-model Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2001, 10:15 am No Beauty Queen? They get more and more like Roxy everyday. If any of you guys out there in Europe haven't seen Remake before you really must try, they are superb and it was touch and go as to who we enjoyed more at Rotterdam during the tour, RM or the double RMs. And I'll never forget seeing Ron Remake down the front at Hammersmith 2, singing his heart out, He sounded more like Ferry than Ferry, it was most bizarre. Jocelyn - -----Original Message----- From: Ed Stobbelaar [mailto:ed.renate@hetnet.nl] Sent: 24 October 2001 19:30 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Re-make/Re-model Last Saturday Re-make/Re-model played in a bar in Schiedam, near Rotterdam. And it was one of the best gigs I saw of them. It was very busy, and the crowd loved it. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 03:07:35 EDT From: PorterMR@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Bryan Ferry on _Saturday Night Live_--Comedy Central Rerun Greetings, A have a bit of information for those of you who receive the Comedy Central cable channel. According to the _SATURDAY NET_ page , Comedy Central will be airing an old episode of _Saturday Night Live_ featuring Bryan Ferry as the musical guest. I believe he performs "The Right Stuff" and "Kiss and Tell" on this episode. The air date and time follow. Channel: Comedy Central Date: Thursday 01-Nov-01 Time: 2:00 AM ET Episode: 87f Danny DeVito / Bryan Ferry All the best, Porter ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #498 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest