From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #495 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, October 24 2001 Volume 06 : Number 495 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Just Like You ["Douglas Robertson" ] Re: [AVALON] nw member profiles at www.roxytalk.co.uk ["Douglas Robertson] Re: [AVALON] Just Like You ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] Just Like You ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] SGIYE [Chandla911@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] The 'In' Crowd Sleeve [OBrienFerry@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Roxy Boots - Australian branch [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy Boots - Australian branch ["notdixon" ] Re: [AVALON] SGIYE [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy Boots - Australian branch [KB Porter ] Fw: [AVALON] Just Like You ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] Andy on TV ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Just Like You ["Nigel Hollis" ] Re: [AVALON] nw member profiles at www.roxytalk.co.uk ["Judy Kaufman" ] Re: [AVALON] Hurrah! [Richard Evans ] [AVALON] OT: Computer loses mail [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Viva ! ["Philip Adams" ] RE: [AVALON] SOTW: "Smoke Gets In Your Eyes" ["Guy Lawley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You I was standing beside Chris, and as Phil said the DVD needs a lot of editing ?. do you think they will realy leave us four old guys ( Bryan & Stefan) on the DVD. perhaps we might get in the background of the lovelly Emma fainting ?. ( anything to get on film) (tounge in cheek). The only time the lights hit us were when we got caught in the glare of the Silver Suit, Then again a glance at us four old fogies will make Roxy look even Better, TARA Alan - ----- Original Message ----- From: "terrypaulrigz8c" To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:37 PM Subject: Fw: [AVALON] Just Like You > I've just paid a lot of money to the film crew to have myself super-imposed > just behind Simon Gs left shoulder so theres my proof!!! I'll probanly look > like the guy in the beer ads (UK joke folks), you know the cardboard > cut-out. > > Terry "O" > > PS: Don't tell anyone. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Turner > To: > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:25 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You > > > > Judging by the Avalonians all around me in the front row, most of us will > be > > in the video. I think you can consider that conclusive proof of > attendance. > > > > Chris (also tongue in cheek) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "terrypaulrigz8c" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You > > > > > > > Now the tour is over I can see fact & fiction becoming a little blurred, > > > those of us that attended the final night of Hammersmith should hang on > to > > > our ticket stub, as I'm sure in a couple of years there will be about > > 10,000 > > > people claiming to have been there!. > > > > > > Now where did I put that stub? > > > > > > Terry "O" (with tongue in cheek) > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:06:55 +0200 From: "Stefan Thomsen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You Old guys? Was there another guy named Stefan present? Stefan - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Robertson" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You > I was standing beside Chris, and as Phil said the DVD needs a lot of > editing ?. do you think they will realy leave us four old guys ( Bryan & > Stefan) on the DVD. perhaps we might get in the background of the lovelly > Emma fainting ?. ( anything to get on film) (tounge in cheek). The only time > the lights hit us were when we got caught in the glare of the Silver Suit, > > Then again a glance at us four old fogies will make Roxy look even Better, > > TARA > > Alan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "terrypaulrigz8c" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:37 PM > Subject: Fw: [AVALON] Just Like You > > > > I've just paid a lot of money to the film crew to have myself > super-imposed > > just behind Simon Gs left shoulder so theres my proof!!! I'll probanly > look > > like the guy in the beer ads (UK joke folks), you know the cardboard > > cut-out. > > > > Terry "O" > > > > PS: Don't tell anyone. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Chris Turner > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You > > > > > > > Judging by the Avalonians all around me in the front row, most of us > will > > be > > > in the video. I think you can consider that conclusive proof of > > attendance. > > > > > > Chris (also tongue in cheek) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "terrypaulrigz8c" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:18 PM > > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You > > > > > > > > > > Now the tour is over I can see fact & fiction becoming a little > blurred, > > > > those of us that attended the final night of Hammersmith should hang > on > > to > > > > our ticket stub, as I'm sure in a couple of years there will be about > > > 10,000 > > > > people claiming to have been there!. > > > > > > > > Now where did I put that stub? > > > > > > > > Terry "O" (with tongue in cheek) > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > > The subliminable footer says: > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:09:41 +0100 From: "Douglas Robertson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] nw member profiles at www.roxytalk.co.uk Hi Chris Since youve got so much time on your hands. how does the Tree work, (do you have to be able to burn cd,s to get involved ?) i tried that and mines just melted !. TARA Alan - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Turner" To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:39 PM Subject: [AVALON] nw member profiles at www.roxytalk.co.uk > Hello all, > > Bit of spare time on my hands to day, so I've added three new member > profiles to our own Avalon website at www.roxytalk.co.uk > > Say hello to three new friends: Ingrid Horvers from Holland, Karen Swenson > from Wisconsin in the USA, and Mark Yates from Manchester, England. > > Regards > > Chris > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:49:41 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You > Does anybody know what other songs were rehearsed and scrapped? > Andrew in Chicago Now that would be a bootleg worth having, rehersal tapes of what?, 30 songs. Terry "O" NP: Waiting for the Man/Bowie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:28:35 +0100 From: "Douglas Robertson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You Sorry Stefan, oldish guys then. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Thomsen" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You > Old guys? Was there another guy named Stefan present? > Stefan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Douglas Robertson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:59 AM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You > > > > I was standing beside Chris, and as Phil said the DVD needs a lot of > > editing ?. do you think they will realy leave us four old guys ( Bryan & > > Stefan) on the DVD. perhaps we might get in the background of the lovelly > > Emma fainting ?. ( anything to get on film) (tounge in cheek). The only time > > the lights hit us were when we got caught in the glare of the Silver Suit, > > > > Then again a glance at us four old fogies will make Roxy look even Better, > > > > TARA > > > > Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "terrypaulrigz8c" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:37 PM > > Subject: Fw: [AVALON] Just Like You > > > > > > > I've just paid a lot of money to the film crew to have myself > > super-imposed > > > just behind Simon Gs left shoulder so theres my proof!!! I'll probanly > > look > > > like the guy in the beer ads (UK joke folks), you know the cardboard > > > cut-out. > > > > > > Terry "O" > > > > > > PS: Don't tell anyone. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Chris Turner > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:25 PM > > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You > > > > > > > > > > Judging by the Avalonians all around me in the front row, most of us > > will > > > be > > > > in the video. I think you can consider that conclusive proof of > > > attendance. > > > > > > > > Chris (also tongue in cheek) > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "terrypaulrigz8c" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:18 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the tour is over I can see fact & fiction becoming a little > > blurred, > > > > > those of us that attended the final night of Hammersmith should hang > > on > > > to > > > > > our ticket stub, as I'm sure in a couple of years there will be about > > > > 10,000 > > > > > people claiming to have been there!. > > > > > > > > > > Now where did I put that stub? > > > > > > > > > > Terry "O" (with tongue in cheek) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > The subliminable footer says: > > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > The subliminable footer says: > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 11:51:21 +0200 From: "Stefan Thomsen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You Age is a state of mind. But it was good to feel even younger for a couple of hours. Stefan - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Robertson" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You > Sorry Stefan, > oldish guys then. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stefan Thomsen" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:06 AM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You > > > > Old guys? Was there another guy named Stefan present? > > Stefan > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Douglas Robertson" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:59 AM > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You > > > > > > > I was standing beside Chris, and as Phil said the DVD needs a lot of > > > editing ?. do you think they will realy leave us four old guys ( Bryan & > > > Stefan) on the DVD. perhaps we might get in the background of the > lovelly > > > Emma fainting ?. ( anything to get on film) (tounge in cheek). The only > time > > > the lights hit us were when we got caught in the glare of the Silver > Suit, > > > > > > Then again a glance at us four old fogies will make Roxy look even > Better, > > > > > > TARA > > > > > > Alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "terrypaulrigz8c" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:37 PM > > > Subject: Fw: [AVALON] Just Like You > > > > > > > > > > I've just paid a lot of money to the film crew to have myself > > > super-imposed > > > > just behind Simon Gs left shoulder so theres my proof!!! I'll probanly > > > look > > > > like the guy in the beer ads (UK joke folks), you know the cardboard > > > > cut-out. > > > > > > > > Terry "O" > > > > > > > > PS: Don't tell anyone. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Chris Turner > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:25 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judging by the Avalonians all around me in the front row, most of us > > > will > > > > be > > > > > in the video. I think you can consider that conclusive proof of > > > > attendance. > > > > > > > > > > Chris (also tongue in cheek) > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "terrypaulrigz8c" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:18 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the tour is over I can see fact & fiction becoming a little > > > blurred, > > > > > > those of us that attended the final night of Hammersmith should > hang > > > on > > > > to > > > > > > our ticket stub, as I'm sure in a couple of years there will be > about > > > > > 10,000 > > > > > > people claiming to have been there!. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now where did I put that stub? > > > > > > > > > > > > Terry "O" (with tongue in cheek) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > The subliminable footer says: > > > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > > The subliminable footer says: > > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > The subliminable footer says: > > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > > unsubscribe avalon > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:52:05 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You Some of the rehearsals were caught on video (by Ferry I think). SimonG >>> "terrypaulrigz8c" 10/23 10:49 am >>> Now that would be a bootleg worth having, rehersal tapes of what?, 30 songs. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 07:11:10 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] SGIYE That "tinkling piano in the next apartment" beginning, it sets the scene for the BF version of SGIYE. Although the white tuxedo is the image that's remained, the inner gatefold sleeve pic of Bryan Ferry was the one I most tried to emulate (and going to a school with a black tie and black jacket, the easier of the two options). And the way he looked when he sang SGIYE on Twiggy was so incredibly cool and classy and debonair - not so incredible anymore, I've got used to the idea now! But musically I love this version. This was an era when BF's solo work not only set him apart from Roxy's style, he managed to add a twist of insouciance to the classics he addressed. It was almost as though he changed the original style of music and crossed it with something else to create a new sound altogether. I love In Crowd also (still remember, but don't own the single pic sleeve where he's swimming - does that exist anywhere on encyclopaedic websites?) for pretty much the same reasons - revisiting a classic song and making it completely different with his intelligent wit. Anyway, my fave track on These Foolish Things is the title track and this just felt like more of that. Classy, elegant and those unforgettable vibrato croons with more than a hint of Cowardesque haughtiness. In 2001, I've played it to my 10-year-old daughter Charlotte who has already seen BF/Roxy 4 times live and she declares: "It's brilliant and I love it and it's brilliant and I love it and it's brilliant. Tell that to your Avalon friends!" Best wishes Richard Mills n/p Alicia Keys - live in London ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 07:46:56 EDT From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] The 'In' Crowd Sleeve In a message dated Tue, 23 Oct 2001 7:17:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Chandla911@aol.com writes: I love In Crowd also (still remember, but don't own the > single pic sleeve where he's swimming - does that exist anywhere on > encyclopaedic websites?) http://www.vivaroxymusic.com:8080/811 J.O'B. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:06:56 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Boots - Australian branch Doug, your enthusiasm is very refreshing! Viva Roxy Music!!! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:25:49 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Smoke Gets In Your Eyes" [ Colleen (very much alive and kicking; don't get your hopes up) ] LOL!!! No, no, Colleen - it's not yet your time ;-) Your aunt's extraordinary final request proves that the 'older generation' did/does have a particular, if not a peculiar, set of tastes. Do you suppose Mr. Ferry's London flat is graced with a post art deco mirror etched with a flamingo, too? Kidding aside, your aunt has left you and your family with a final memory that is gentle and graceful. How wonderful life, and death, may be. Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:31:09 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You [ Some of the rehearsals were caught on video (by Ferry I think). SimonG ] WOW! Simon, I've got black clothing, night gear and burgle gadgets - if you've got the vids location how about a plan??? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:32:00 +1000 From: "notdixon" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Boots - Australian branch Viva indeed! I'm just playing the Minnepolis gig from this year, and it's bringing back some lovely memories of Melbourne. Can this really be the end???? - Doug - ----- Original Message ----- From: KB Porter To: Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Boots - Australian branch > Doug, your enthusiasm is very refreshing! Viva Roxy Music!!! > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 15:34:44 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You Do you take me for some sort of deviant? SimonG (as pure as the driven snow) >>> KB Porter 10/23 3:31 pm >>> [ Some of the rehearsals were caught on video (by Ferry I think). SimonG ] WOW! Simon, I've got black clothing, night gear and burgle gadgets - if you've got the vids location how about a plan??? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:38:29 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] SGIYE Dear Richard: That you have emulated the pinnacle of Bryan Ferry's looks - black suit, white shirt, sometimes tie - illustrates your refined taste. (Not to mention your fine SGIYE post) I must close with 'It's brilliant and I love it and it's brilliant and I love it and it's brilliant.' It's brilliant. And I love SGIYE, too! Best wishes. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:44:10 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Boots - Australian branch [ Can this really be the end???? - Doug ] Only in your mind :) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:46:54 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Just Like You [ Do you take me for some sort of deviant? SimonG (as pure as the driven snow) ] Well, isn't being 'pure as the driven snow', by definition, deviant? Ya, ya, I know - we must keep up appearances! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:47:55 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Fw: [AVALON] Just Like You > [ Do you take me for some sort of deviant? > > SimonG (as pure as the driven snow) ] > > > Well, isn't being 'pure as the driven snow', by definition, deviant? > Ya, ya, I know - we must keep up appearances! > Who was talking about, and I quote "Chained & Bound" Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 16:52:08 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: Fw: [AVALON] Just Like You Shut it or I'll spank you! >>> "terrypaulrigz8c" 10/23 4:47 pm >>> > [ Do you take me for some sort of deviant? > > SimonG (as pure as the driven snow) ] > > > Well, isn't being 'pure as the driven snow', by definition, deviant? > Ya, ya, I know - we must keep up appearances! > Who was talking about, and I quote "Chained & Bound" Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:05:20 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Andy on TV I've had a look, and Cue The Music was (as stated) an In Concert show, was that the Mike Mansfield one? Anyway, The South Bank Show was a documentary about the band, about 1 hour probably. It was on in the days before we had a VCR and I was being naughty staying up late on a Sunday night to watch it! Anyone else remember it? SimonG >>> David Firmin 10/22 6:01 pm >>> Simon, I don't know, I found the info on Andy's discography page. http://www.sierrabravo.co.uk/roxysax/disco2.htm I'd love to see it. I really enjoyed the Camden Palace disc. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:44:57 +0100 From: "Nigel Hollis" Subject: [AVALON] Just Like You Jocelyn wrote :- .......Mr F's upper reaches couldn't be reached (an urban myth) but because he wasn't confident enough to "go for it" every night. They didn`t have to "go for it" every night and I find that a real shame because had they tried and the end result on any of the mentioned songs had not been slightly "up to scratch" who would have cared? I`m sure that hardcore Roxy fans would have been so enthralled to hear them and considered themselves to be lucky enough to be there and the "others" would`nt have noticed. After all, Avalon was not always perfect was it? One can only conclude that Mr Ferry was never confident for fifty plus gigs??? This is not whinging, just a tad disapointed. Nigel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 12:06:30 -0500 From: "Judy Kaufman" Subject: Re: [AVALON] nw member profiles at www.roxytalk.co.uk > how does the Tree work, (do you > have to be able to burn cd,s to get involved ?) i tried that and mines just > melted !. Hi Alan, This link should give you the info you need: http://www.mcnichol.com/bnp/ Judy ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:24:25 +0100 From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Just Like You >One can only conclude that Mr Ferry was never confident for fifty plus gigs??? No, I just think that Bry, as a perfectionist, couldn't go through the trauma of can I make it can't I make it every night? Let's face it , who could? But there was also a fear for the voice itself holding out for the whole tour, resulting in "Can I tell you something?" turning from a spine tingingly spoken line first time of hearing, to a practical whole song talk-through at the end of the tour, and the missing verse to Street Life being put down to saving Bryan's voice. And don't forget at the back of everyone's minds (from stage apron backwards) wasn't just "this audience is getting off on it" but, it's being recorded for future release. Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:41:20 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hurrah! Rosalind I'm off to see Brian Wilson too, but then I went to Chicago to see a few years ago. Tickets, like everything else, are worth what people will pay. Brian Wilson is just about sold out but after 30 years that's expected. As far as Roxy's prices, I thought they were fine. And the Apollo was sold out. Therefore I am Cheers Richard Rosalind Bull wrote: > >It is unfortunate that Roxy Music charged such high prices, ... I saw > Depeche Mode last night, great > >show/performance for only 25pounds a ticket, surely if their promoters can > >make a good profit from that etc, etc. > > I have just booked to see Brian Wilson at the Royal Festival Hall for fifty > of your English pounds per ticket. Obviously, both Roxy and Mr. Beach Boy > can get away with it through rarity value. You can't 'um and ah' about it > too long or it's sold out and you've lost your chance for (possibly) ever. > We also booked to see Dave Gilmour there in January too at #35 top price (- > wonder if they'll be anyone interesting in the audience?!) On the other > hand, we are going to see Colin Vearncombe at Ronnie Scotts for a tenner, so > there are some bargains around. It's pointless worrying about how much the > band/promotors are making out of it, you either want to go and see them or > you don't, and if you do but think you can't afford it - well, I've always > thought eating is over-rated. > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:04:52 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: [AVALON] OT: Computer loses mail Dear all, I save all my e-mail. On a list like this that is archived it's not a problem, on other lists it is. But I do, save all the mail I have received since 1997 when my then work computer was stolen, that is. Therefore I had saved all the postings on Avalon since I joined, I sometime go back and read old postings on a subject currently debated. So I was happy there with my Avalon mailbox, up until this evening when my Eudora decided that something was wrong with my Avalon mailbox, asked a question I have never encountered and pressing ok deleated the content. My question is this: Is there an easy way to download the Avalon archive in a readable form? or Is there someone out there with the same intrest in preserving things that I have, that have saved Avalon since 1998? Any answers can be posted off list so I do not take up any more time or space with this particular problem. Thank you. NP Scott Walker, Jackie (what a great record, what a great voice -- how can I have missed him although I've heard about him all these years?) Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:23:15 +0100 From: "Philip Adams" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Hurrah! Ticket prices - the older the audience, the higher the price. Simple, eh? Philip > I have just booked to see Brian Wilson at the Royal Festival Hall for fifty > of your English pounds per ticket. Obviously, both Roxy and Mr. Beach Boy > can get away with it through rarity value. You can't 'um and ah' about it > too long or it's sold out and you've lost your chance for (possibly) ever. > We also booked to see Dave Gilmour there in January too at #35 top price (- > wonder if they'll be anyone interesting in the audience?!) On the other > hand, we are going to see Colin Vearncombe at Ronnie Scotts for a tenner, so > there are some bargains around. It's pointless worrying about how much the > band/promotors are making out of it, you either want to go and see them or > you don't, and if you do but think you can't afford it - well, I've always > thought eating is over-rated. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:24:38 +0100 From: "Philip Adams" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Viva ! Did'nt Mackay do his Chinese jingle at this point? Philip - ----- Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Viva ! > I have a fuzzy old tape of that show so I'll check. It's so bad that I'll probably not be able to make out what he's saying anyway! > > SimonG > > >>> "Terry Lane" 10/22 11:06 am >>> > I am sure Ferry sang "Scotsmen & Chinese" on the Avalon tour - If my memory > serves me right I think it was the Edinburgh gig.Anyone shine some light on > this. > > Terry Lane > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:06:42 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] SOTW: "Smoke Gets In Your Eyes" I love SGIYE too, but... better than These Foolish Things? Not for me! Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Christian H. Soetemann Sent: 22 October 2001 14:29 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Smoke Gets In Your Eyes" SGIYE is, to me, Ferry's best cover version and one of his all-time best songs. The interpretation is close to perfection. He sounds so cool that you can almost HEAR the white tuxedo. The song works on two levels, IMHO: the ironic, slightly over-the-top crocodile tears level as well as the genuinely heartbreaking world-weariness lost love level. Ferry is the only singer I know who can give this unique ambiguous feeling. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:06:40 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Mark II, regrettable acts of mindless vandalism etc. Thanks for a thoughtful reply, Christian. My reply follows between the ----------- lines below Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Christian H. Soetemann Sent: 22 October 2001 14:29 >Christian, you sum up my feelings about IEDHAH very well, with one proviso; >it sums up what Roxy Mark 1 were about, but Ferry and the band moved on, of >course. > I agree with you, Guy. Now it would be interesting which song to choose were one to play a single track to sort of sum up Roxy Mk II! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Perhaps Song For Europe? It would be "better" perhaps if I could think of something later, from well into the Mark II period, from Country life or Siren rather than Mark II's first album, but Song For Europe seems to epitomise something about the band. This is just off the top of my head and not very analytical. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- >I remember when I was 16 or 17, 1974 or 75, trying to explain to a member of >the older generation why I liked Roxy. His position was that pop music had >nothing at all to offer, and us young folk ought to be getting into "proper" >music (i.e. classical/opera). > >I told him I liked Ferry's lyrics because they had "social comment". I >wanted to explain what IEDHAH said to me about the alienation, and >materialism of modern life. But I didn't have the vocabulary (and anyway I >was a little bit drunk!). So I gave up and told him I couldn't explain what >I meant. He chalked this up as a great victory for his point of view; "You >young people can never justify your claims for pop lyrics" etc.. I was left >feeling stupid and bitter, but I knew I was right! > >Guy The song seems to have a similar meaning to me as well! I, at any rate, would assume Ferry was more concentrating on a personal relationship and alienation here, as he does not seem to be very political (looking at his rare political statements, it's probably better that way), but the good dialectic materialist (though I am not even a bad one, ha, ha) can always argue: "Well, the alienation of society reflects itself in the personal relationships of the individual." - ------------------------------------------------------------------ Exactly... "The personal is the political", as dialectical materialists were so fond of saying in the 80s! But in 1974/5 we didn't have that slogan to fall back on! "Social comment" was a way of referring to that notion, without trying to claim that Ferry was a "political animal" in any accepted sense. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- But that's supposedly not the first thing to spring to mind when one is drunk (I never was, so I don't know...)! I hope you hit the old idiot in the face at least! Just joking... Christian - ------------------------------------------------------------------ Actually I just got a lot drunker and committed regrettable acts of mindless vandalism on the way home after the party (not joking!). XX Guy - ------------------------------------------------------------------ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:36:01 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxy 1 vs Roxy 2 Reasoning Guy Lawley's reply follows... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Eman 97 >>Christian, you sum up my feelings about IEDHAH very well, with one >>proviso; it sums up what Roxy Mark 1 were about, but Ferry and the band moved on, of course. Can anyone remember the band, Bryan, being asked specifically why he/they changed the style both musically and lyrically. Sure, the reason, greater commerciality/accessibility, is fairly obvious...but I wonder what the stated reasons where. I.E. Was Bryan ever going to say "well, we were really limiting ourselves marketwise. By being arty and original, we weren't likely to grow our audience, or make it in America. So, out went the non traditinal song structures, and in came the verse-chorus-verse etc., and the love songs..." e - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I recall an interview from the mid-seventies, probably, in which Ferry explicitly stated that in working on the cover versions for his solo projects he was learning about how conventional songs were constructed. He was admitting that he was studying "the greats" and that it would influence his own song writing. I think he also "admitted" that his own writing was lacking in the conventional structures (which was, of course, partly why some of us loved it so much!). I don't recall anything about making more money (!) but I think he may have mentioned "reaching a wider audience" or some such phrase. Perhaps this interview is or will be on the manzanera.com archive. I leave it to more obsessional/knowledgable scholars to track down the actual words! XX Guy ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #495 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest