From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #489 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, October 19 2001 Volume 06 : Number 489 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Rock Follies ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] IEDAH [Chandla911@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] off topic: King Crimson ["Dixon's Blackburn" ] Re: [AVALON] IEDAH [roxylia@freemail.it ()] Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "In Every Dream Home a Heartache" -misheard lyrics [=] Re: [AVALON] Rock Follies [JFROXY@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Rock Follies ["Chris Turner" ] RE: [AVALON] Rock Follies [Rosalind Bull ] Re: [AVALON] Rock Follies [David Firmin ] Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "In Every Dream Home a Heartache" -misheard lyrics [I] Re: [AVALON] Official Bootleg Club; Business Judgment ["Gerard York" ] Re: [AVALON] off topic: King Crimson [Helchat@aol.com] [AVALON] Weird Ferry/Roxy CDs [David Firmin ] [AVALON] Re : Rock Follies & Roxy connections [Johnny Reece ] RE: Re: [AVALON] Re : Rock Follies & Roxy connections [InterEireann@aol.c] Re: [AVALON] Re : Rock Follies & Roxy connections [David Firmin ] Re: [AVALON] Andy on TV [stevesiren2 ] Re: [AVALON] Rock Follies Lyrics [stevesiren2 ] Re: [AVALON] Re : Rock Follies & Roxy connections [Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rock Follies >>> "David Markfield" 10/18 6:05 pm >>> > Personally I would hope the BBC release it on DVD in America....but > I know that is asking way too much. It wasn't a BBC production so it's not up to them. It was on ITV and I think was a Thames production (somebody out there will know). I never saw the series, only a few clips that have been shown over the years. It hasn't aged well. SimonG ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 07:17:52 EDT From: Chandla911@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] IEDAH When IEDAH first came out, I thought Roxy the epitome of decadence and had no doubt (although only slight understanding) that the blow-up doll would be real. I saw Bryan Ferry as depicting a luxurious but empty existence where the new pool and everything were laid on, but the only company was an inflatable doll. For an early-teens boy, this seemed somewhat seamy but a perfectly acceptable way to solve a problem. As I have grown older, I tend to concentrate on the problems referred to in the song. The isolation, the desperation, the uncertainty... I belong to the church that believes BF has always looked the same age, an age that he approached in real terms and has now surpassed, while Dorian Ferry rots in the attic. The character in the song likewise, he seems to be too old for the Bryan Ferry who wrote the song in the first place - why would a young man have these trappings of luxury but no friends to play with? But an older man seems to fit the bill better (I think). So I believe that Ferry has painted a non-autobiographical future vision of a man who has had some success in his life but now is very alone and gets his kicks with a blow-up doll. The word kicks is key to me, as the rush of energy when he gets to the phrase "blew my mind" always, always sounded like surrender to drugs (as well as the orgasmic rush of the doll activity) and I assumed that the man in the song is using those too, into which he further retreats to get away from his real life. For all I know, the discussion and analysis of possible afterlife is related to this. Is the man planning or predicting his final demise? I think there is no future for him in this life and that's why he likes to think so when he asks Is there a heaven. So the song depicts musically the stilted fragmented man in this life and explodes, when she blows his mind, to reflect the psychedelic blaze of glory in his mind as he departs for the next world. Ordinarily, I have very little grasp of the lyrics in songs, but the interpretation above has always been how I've seen this song. Best wishes Richard Mills n/p Alicia Keys - Songs in A Minor ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:26:42 +1000 From: "Dixon's Blackburn" Subject: Re: [AVALON] off topic: King Crimson Spot on, Heather! Discipline has a Talking Heads African/Eno-ish type groove to it, and is well worth a listen. When going for the 70s lps, "Lark's Tongues In Aspic" and "Starless And Bible-Black" are also great, and are worth a listen, especially for the gorgeous vocals of John Wetton. (See - a Roxy Connection!) Great stuff! - Doug - -----Original Message----- From: Heather James To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] off topic: King Crimson > King Crimson is a band with many many different sounds due to many >different lineups from their start in the late 60s to the present band! >But - I would suggest starting with the early 80s band's album - >"Discipline", and follow that up with the heavier sounds of "USA" or >"RED" from the mid-70s band. >If you like a more retro progressive sound similar to PFM, Moody Blues, >or Yes, you may like the first album - "In The Court of the Crimson >King", with spacey lyrics >and the classic Mellotron sound (a keyboard that sounds kind of like an >orchestral string section) . > Most of their catalog has been remastered lately, and the >improvement in the sound over the "Editions EG" versions are dramatic. >Look for the DGM versions if at all possible. > > -= )-(eather =- > > >roxylia@freemail.it wrote: > >>I know there are many K.C. fans on this list. I've never listened to them; can you suggest me something to start with? >> >>Cecilia in Venice, Italy >>----------------------------------------------------- >> >>messaggio inviato con Freemail by superEva >>http://www.supereva.it >> >>----------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>__________________________________________________________________________ _ >>The subliminable footer says: >>To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >>unsubscribe avalon >> > > >-- > -= )-(eather =- > >--------------------< > hjames@thewebgal.com > > Heather's WebGal Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ > My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ > My Music Trader Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-boots.html >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------< > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:38:47 -0700 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rock Follies I did. It captured my 13 year old mind as well as the mood of the time pretty well. Remember that punk and new wave were still enduring a difficult birth and that the album charts were dominated by flaccid tossers like Supertramp, 10CC, Queen, St*t*s Qu* and Peter Frampton (although the convention-defying Stupidity by punk progenitors Dr Feelgood was number one 25 years ago today...) Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Galloway" To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rock Follies I never saw the series, only a few clips that have been shown over the years. It hasn't aged well. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 2001 13:38:42 -0000 From: roxylia@freemail.it () Subject: Re: [AVALON] IEDAH It's a quite complicated song to comprehend for a non-english mothertongue. I believe the whole lyrics must be read in context with the title, that on the other hand could seem completely separated from the song. But what is the Dream Home (The smart town apartment, the pretty cottage, All of its comforts...)? and what is the Heart Ache (The inflatable doll, bought mail order /real or not/... or the loneliness?? )? or viceversa is the real/unreal doll the Dream Home? ...who knows?... Cecilia. n.p. Editions of you (FYP) - ----------------------------------------------------- messaggio inviato con Freemail by superEva http://www.supereva.it - ----------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 00:05:12 +1000 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnter_Wandtke?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "In Every Dream Home a Heartache" -misheard lyrics I agree with you on VIVA but for one thing: My absolute Nr 1 song of VIVA is "The Bogus Man" The way Bryan sings the lines Focused his mind on something he cared about But it came out a shout just like before and Concealed his doubt by skillful evasion But he couldn't find out about deception is totally unreal and unmatched in terms of strength of voice and emotion in any other song, IMO that is of course. Gives me goose bumps and tears almost any time. Gunter - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "In Every Dream Home a Heartache" -misheard lyrics > Live versus studio..definitely live on Viva!! The best live version of it and the second best track on Viva after ( or maybe tied with ) Out Of The Blue..somewhat sinister..and a very strong sound, TGPT and Manzanera at their best on this version of the song. > > After seeing them in NY this summer I played the Viva! version a lot and very loud driving round Ireland > > Raymond > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 11:20:21 EDT From: JFROXY@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rock Follies In a message dated 19/10/01 14:34:59 GMT Daylight Time, roxyrama@hotmail.com writes: > < 25 years ago today...)>> I remember being surprised by this at the time and 25 years on my feelings haven't changed. A "live" album by a dodgy pub rock act topping the album charts? A bit of jiggery pokery going on methinks. JF ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:06:09 -0700 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rock Follies Dr Feelgood did have the reputation at that time of being one of the best live acts in the country, thanks to the pairing of charismatic singer/songwriter Wilko Johnson (still gigging - going to see him in Novemember) and late Lee Brilleaux (I met him in '81 - a really great guy) The 'pub rock' slur is too easy to throw around. These guys had earned their live reputation Stupidity was recorded at two venues on the very high-profile 'Naughty Rhythms' tour which garnered wide acclaim for both the Feelgoods, and joint-headliners Chilli Willi and Kokomo. Bryan Ferry clearly agreed - he plundered Kokomo to recruit Spenner, Hubbard and Collins for his own solo tour the following year. Besides, corruption in the UK charts John?...unthinkable! ;0) Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rock Follies > I remember being surprised by this at the time and 25 years on my feelings > haven't changed. A "live" album by a dodgy pub rock act topping the album > charts? > A bit of jiggery pokery going on methinks. > > JF ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:23:24 +0100 From: Rosalind Bull Subject: RE: [AVALON] Rock Follies I remember the Naughty Rhythms tour very clearly. I was at university in Cambrige during 74-77 and when I wasn't there I was in London, and I lost count of the number of times we saw Dr. Feelgood during that period in both locations. And the number of Dr. Feelgood/Wilko Johnson wannabes was quite disturbing. Not difficult to imagine vast record sales of such an intense live experience. Nice body-swerve to get back on topic there Chris! - -----Original Message----- From: Chris Turner [mailto:roxyrama@hotmail.com] Sent: 20 October 2001 01:06 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rock Follies Dr Feelgood did have the reputation at that time of being one of the best live acts in the country, thanks to the pairing of charismatic singer/songwriter Wilko Johnson (still gigging - going to see him in Novemember) and late Lee Brilleaux (I met him in '81 - a really great guy) The 'pub rock' slur is too easy to throw around. These guys had earned their live reputation Stupidity was recorded at two venues on the very high-profile 'Naughty Rhythms' tour which garnered wide acclaim for both the Feelgoods, and joint-headliners Chilli Willi and Kokomo. Bryan Ferry clearly agreed - he plundered Kokomo to recruit Spenner, Hubbard and Collins for his own solo tour the following year. Besides, corruption in the UK charts John?...unthinkable! ;0) Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rock Follies > I remember being surprised by this at the time and 25 years on my feelings > haven't changed. A "live" album by a dodgy pub rock act topping the album > charts? > A bit of jiggery pokery going on methinks. > > JF ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:46:51 -0700 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rock Follies If you're interested in 3rd generation copies, contact: adriancollins@hotmail.com He has: ROCK FOLLIES - (ALL) The Show Business, The Little Ladies, The Road, The Talking Pictures, The Pounds Sterling, The Blitz ROCK FOLLIES OF '77 - (ALL) The Band Who Wouldn't Die, The Empire, The Hype, The Loony Tunes, The Divorce, The Real Life My synopsis: Upon its first release in March 1976, Rock Follies entered the British charts at number one. A fact that Ferry must have enviously noted that only Stranded of Roxy Music's own output had equaled. A follow-up album and TV series fared equally well, ensuring Mackay substantial royalties. Thanks, David on 10/18/01 10:05 AM, David Markfield at davidm@w-link.net wrote: > Just wondering if anyone has copies of Rock Follies and/or Rock > Follies 77 on NTSC VHS. > > I remember watching this years ago and really enjoying it. And > while it is GREAT that the CDs are finally out they dont quite > fill the gap that a video would. > > Personally I would hope the BBC release it on DVD in America....but > I know that is asking way too much. > > Anyway hope that someone can help. > > Dave *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:28:33 EDT From: InterEireann@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "In Every Dream Home a Heartache" -misheard lyrics Interested in what you had to say, Gunter, about Bogus Man v IEDHAH. Much is personal taste, but I did not think that the live version of The Bogus Man on Viva! came up to the FYP version or close. Most recently I have listened to the FYP track quite a lot ( FYP and Stranded being my favourite albums ) and remember now how well produced the studio sound was on the The Bogus Man for its time. It was particularly good with headphones on!!! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:26:59 -0400 From: "Gerard York" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Official Bootleg Club; Business Judgment I would think that whatever contractual or licensing issues there are preventing an official Roxy Music Official Bootleg Club could be resolved. The Doors' "Bright Midnight" series is on Rhino, but the older titles like "L.A. Woman" remain on Electra. As another example, Emerson Lake & Palmer has just released Volumes 1 & 2 of "The Official Bootleg Series from the Manticore Vaults," compilations of 8 unreleased concert recordings 1971-1977. Apparently somebody concluded in both cases (as did Robert Fripp) it was bad business judgment to leave these old tapes lying around forever, since they are only marketable for so long-- and the same analysis would, sigh, apply to any old Roxy tapes setting around in some vaults. After the recent tour, they are probably quite marketable. So I hope somebody close to Roxy will keep this idea in mind. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Atterbom Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 3:54 AM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] Official Bootlegs At 20.30 +0200 1-09-16, Gerard York wrote: >Better yet, please ask Phil what the chances are of an "Official Bootleg" >Club for Roxy. King Crimson has its own "Collectors' Club." >Likewise, the Doors have a "Bright Midnight" line of concert releases. >The would be great for Roxy. They can not do that since Roxy Music is still under contract to Virgin Records. NP Stevie Wonder, A place in the Sun Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalonGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:44:27 +0100 From: stevesiren2 Subject: [AVALON] Re:Rock Follies I don't know about it not aging very well, I thought it was awful at the time. It was for me the most cringeworthy music drama of all time , about a girl group (Little Ladies- lot of thought went into that!) & their struggle in the music biz. How I wish that Mackay had saved his tunes for Ferry to write some decent words to,Schumans' lyrics are just clichi after clichi of the type that even Noel Gallagher would find embarrasing, eg, "I did my numbers with a frying pan", I wonder what went through Andy's mind when he read that line. It doesn't even stand up as a piece of kitsch, it was, as my kids say , pants Steve ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:25:44 EDT From: Helchat@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] off topic: King Crimson In a message dated 10/19/01 4:25:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dixonsblack@spacelink.com.au writes: << Discipline has a Talking Heads African/Eno-ish type groove to it, >> And don't forget Beat, with the incredible Heartbeat on it. Love it! Helene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:36:08 -0700 From: David Firmin Subject: [AVALON] Weird Ferry/Roxy CDs like we really need any more compilations. http://www.duran2.net/2ps/artists/ferry_bryan.htm http://www.duran2.net/2ps/artists/roxy_music.htm *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:51:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Johnny Reece Subject: [AVALON] Re : Rock Follies & Roxy connections I think the phrase 'not aged well' may be an understatement, although agree too that it was acutely embarrassing even at the time. Almost a 'how British TV had to portray the Rock/Pop World' situation. I bought the Albums, of course. Well, we had to, didn't we ? Andy was on it. And we watched them all too, didn't we ? Yes, because Andy was on it ! Roxy loyalty goes a long way sometimes. I bet most of us bought 'All The Way From Memphis' because of that, and became part-time Mott The Hoople fans too. (So did I.) I agree with SteveSiren - it was the lyrics on Rock Follies that soured the icing on top of a very bad tasting cake. What was Schuman thinking ? I cringe even now when I think of one of their destined to miss Singles - 'Glenn Miller Is Missing', containing such gems as "there's a space in the sky, where his plane used to fly", and, even better, "his specs and baton, and his dreams are all gone". God help us. On the back of the first series - the Album went straight to No. 1, though, strangely, all singles released from that first Album all flopped. Perversely, the opposite occurred with the second Album, Rock Follies 77, which spawned a Hit single this time, 'O.K.', while the Album went straight to the bargain bins without even a half hearted attempt at denting the chart, quicker than you could say 'not another series please'. Everyone had moved on, and was listening to the likes of 'God Save The Queen' and 'Peaches' instead, by then. Oh, how I wish another lyricist was around for the series, because Andy was/is way too cool for something as awful as this. Interestingly, the Roxy connection went one step further, as the B side of the abandoned Roxy single of 1973 (Do The Strand c/w War Brides) turned up, via the little ladies, on the flip of 'Sugar Mountain'. War Brides was originally a very 40s style little typical Roxy B side instrumental, until Schuman set to work once again with the lyrics and turned it into a perfect 7" cowpat. I had to buy the single, for the Roxy connection, though it has gathered dust ever since. Similarly, for the connection, I bought the 'Hazell' TV theme, featuring the great man Mackay too. So, 'Bungalow Love' by Rik Kenton, or 'Little Lost and Innocent' by Milk n' Cookies, featuring Sal Maida, anyone ? Reecey... Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 16:06:29 -0500 From: Susan Stekel Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : Rock Follies & Roxy connections >'Glenn Miller Is Missing', containing such >gems as "there's a space in the sky, where his plane >used to fly", and, even better, "his specs and baton, >and his dreams are all gone". God help us. Wowww. That's really ... something. Even Spinal Tap couldn't write lyrics like that (though they'd aspire to those heights). Until today I was unaware that this show/series/song existed. I'm not sure I'm a better person for it. But I do have to thank you immensely, Reecey, for providing the best laugh I've had all day. Have a good weekend, everyone. Susan ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:17:54 -0700 From: "David Markfield" Subject: RE: Re: [AVALON] Re : Rock Follies & Roxy connections hmm this may be a case of time improving things...ie things get better with memory i do recall that i seemed to enjoy the show at the time and thought it a great deal of fun. then again i always watched HR Pufnstuf as a kid and when I saw an episode recently I couldnt believe how cheesy it was. david >--- Original Message --- >From: Susan Stekel >To: avalon@smoe.org >Date: 10/19/01 2:06:29 PM > >>'Glenn Miller Is Missing', containing such >>gems as "there's a space in the sky, where his plane >>used to fly", and, even better, "his specs and baton, >>and his dreams are all gone". God help us. > >Wowww. That's really ... something. Even Spinal Tap couldn't write lyrics >like that (though they'd aspire to those heights). Until today I was >unaware that this show/series/song existed. I'm not sure I'm a better >person for it. But I do have to thank you immensely, Reecey, for providing >the best laugh I've had all day. > >Have a good weekend, everyone. > >Susan > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:35:14 -0400 From: "Heather James" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Weird Ferry/Roxy CDs Even cheesier - the cover art on thios one looks like the cover art for a fan groups release of the Golders Green BBc concert a few years ago! on http://www.duran2.net/2ps/artists/ferry_bryan.htm look at the 2nd CD down - BRYAN FERRY: Hit Collection 2000 CD $15.95 Cheesey! -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com MCC NOVA's Website: http://www.mccnova.com/ Heather's WebGal Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ My Trades page: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-boots.html >------------------------------------------------------------------------< > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > David Firmin > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 4:36 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Weird Ferry/Roxy CDs > > > like we really need any more compilations. > > http://www.duran2.net/2ps/artists/ferry_bryan.htm > > http://www.duran2.net/2ps/artists/roxy_music.htm > > *** > > > __________________________________________________________________ > _________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:39:26 EDT From: InterEireann@aol.com Subject: RE: Re: [AVALON] Re : Rock Follies & Roxy connections I remember watching Rock Follies, in part because of the Roxy connection,..Julie Covington , Rula Lenska and Charlotte ? wasn't it. One of them was meant to be the "posh" finishing school girl who roughed it in a group.It was crap, but I seem to remember it was on at night just before "The Sweeney" on Thames. Now that was a series. No Roxy connection though as far as I am aware other than Dennis Waterman was with Rula Lenska. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:48:34 -0700 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : Rock Follies & Roxy connections Andy also composed theme tunes for the TV series Armchair Thriller and Hazell, as well as music for the BBC1 play Videostars in 1983 and music for the comedy show Class Act in 1993. *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 08:03:01 +1000 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnter_Wandtke?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] VIVA Bogus SOTW: IEDHAH Well, of course this is so personal that there is no way to decide who is right or wrong.. I bought FYP way after VIVA and I must confess I was a bit disappointed from "The Bogus Man" on FYP. The same lines I quoted in my original message are sung there with a high pitched, throaty voice, that is more arty but not as emotionally gripping for me. Also the harmonics of the guitar and bass lines give it this out of this world feeling on VIVA and it's just not there on FYP. BTW, this high pitched part on FYP, is that ENO singing, or at least supporting? I'm only conveying what it does to me rather then considering the quality of production. In contrast to The Bogus Man I find Do The Strand a lot stronger on FYP. Gunter - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2001 3:28 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "In Every Dream Home a Heartache" -misheard lyrics > Interested in what you had to say, Gunter, about Bogus Man v IEDHAH. Much is personal taste, but I did not think that the live version of The Bogus Man on Viva! came up to the FYP version or close. Most recently I have listened to the FYP track quite a lot ( FYP and Stranded being my favourite albums ) and remember now how well produced the studio sound was on the The Bogus Man for its time. It was particularly good with headphones on!!! > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:27:51 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : Rock Follies & Roxy connections > I bet most of us bought 'All The Way From Memphis' > because of that, and became part-time Mott The Hoople > fans too. (So did I.) I'm sure most people became Mott fans full or part time due to Bowie & All the Young Dudes (as some of us were at the time), this would have been a week BEFORE Roxy/Andy had graced the singles chart for the forst time, I really don't think Andy's sax playing would have converted anyone to buy the album "Mott" and becoming a "fan". Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:31:04 +0100 From: Jane Fraser Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : Rock Follies & Roxy connections on 19/10/01 10:39 pm, InterEireann@aol.com at InterEireann@aol.com wrote: > I remember watching Rock Follies, in part because of the Roxy > connection,..Julie Covington , Rula Lenska and Charlotte ? wasn't it. One of > them was meant to be the "posh" finishing school girl who roughed it in a > group.It was crap, but I seem to remember it was on at night just before "The > Sweeney" on Thames. Now that was a series. No Roxy connection though as far as > I am aware other than Dennis Waterman was with Rula Lenska. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > Yes, Charlotte who? It's been annoying me all day. Someone remind me of her name - please. I loved Rock Follies. I can't remember much about it but I know I wouldn't have missed it for anything. Hazell was a favourite too but I had no idea of the Roxy connection. These are two series I've been watching out for on UK satellite channels but after Reecey's remarks, and my own instincts, maybe they're better left as a good memory. Saw Rula Lenska at Wembley on June 24th and she's still one of the most glamorous women I've ever seen. Jane. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:53:33 EDT From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Rock Follies Lyrics If you want to see how wonderful the lyrics are for Rock Follies try these 2 pages then click on each song then View the Lyrics. You will see how wonderfully crafted Howard Schuman's lysics are. http://www.vivaroxymusic.com:8080/691 http://www.vivaroxymusic.com:8080/694 John O'Brien ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 18:55:06 EDT From: CoconutTears@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : Rock Follies & Roxy connections That would be Charlotte Cornwell, who most famously went on to play Inspector Rabineau in the movie of The Saint, and who is writer John le Carre's sister. Gee, Google is a terrific resource! :-D Karen same me, new email ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 15:54:27 -0700 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Andy on TV I forgot to mention - In 1982, Paul McCartney was interviewed by Andy on a TV programme. McCartney imitated Andy in his "Coming Up" video. Some other TV music by Andy included; the theme to "What a Picture" 1983 and "White Heat" - BBC2 (year?). As well as writing the music, Andy made an appearance in the band performing the title song to "Videostars" 1983. In 1993 Andy appeared in the programme "Class Act". And then there's Andy and The Players on that damn ABC Christmas special I can't find.. Has anyone seen the Explorers TV special from the 1984 tour? The show was filmed and has been broadcast several times on the television show "Cue The Music". Thanks, David on 10/19/01 2:48 PM, David Firmin at eddieriff@yahoo.com wrote: > Andy also composed theme tunes for the TV series Armchair Thriller and > Hazell, as well as music for the BBC1 play Videostars in 1983 and music for > the comedy show Class Act in 1993. *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:18:54 +0100 From: stevesiren2 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Andy on TV David Firmin wrote:Has anyone seen the Explorers TV special from the 1984 tour? The show was filmed and has been broadcast several times on the television show "Cue The Music". No, I'm not aware of this, but I have got him playing "Two Worlds Apart" with The Explorers on "Wogan" ('85?) plus film of him backing Bonnie Tyler of all people about the same time, although what show it was I've no idea. Steve > > > > > > > Thanks, > David > > on 10/19/01 2:48 PM, David Firmin at eddieriff@yahoo.com wrote: > > > Andy also composed theme tunes for the TV series Armchair Thriller and > > Hazell, as well as music for the BBC1 play Videostars in 1983 and music for > > the comedy show Class Act in 1993. > > *** > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:24:34 +0100 From: stevesiren2 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rock Follies Lyrics Thanks John for the evidence, now all of you view the lyrics for "Good Behaviour" I rest my case Steve OBrienFerry@aol.com wrote: > If you want to see how wonderful the lyrics are for Rock Follies try these 2 > pages then click on each song then View the Lyrics. You will see how > wonderfully crafted Howard Schuman's lysics are. > > http://www.vivaroxymusic.com:8080/691 > http://www.vivaroxymusic.com:8080/694 > > John O'Brien > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:21:30 -0700 (PDT) From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Andy on TV Interesting. I have a Mike Oldfield disc called Islands with Andy and Bonnie Tyler. I did a search and I found that in October 1987 Oldfield made a rare television appearance performing the song Wind Chimes with Andy and Bonnie. Other musicians who contributed to the Islands album were Kevin Ayers and Geoff Downes on keyboards. Thanks, David - ----- Original Message ----- From: stevesiren2 > plus film of him backing Bonnie Tyler of all people about the same time, although what show it was I've no idea. *** Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:29:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : Rock Follies & Roxy connections On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Johnny Reece wrote: > I think the phrase 'not aged well' may be an > understatement, although agree too that it was acutely > embarrassing even at the time. Almost a 'how British > TV had to portray the Rock/Pop World' situation. > I bought the Albums, of course. Well, we had to, > didn't we ? Andy was on it. And we watched them all > too, didn't we ? Yes, because Andy was on it ! > Roxy loyalty goes a long way sometimes. > I bet most of us bought 'All The Way From Memphis' > because of that, and became part-time Mott The Hoople > fans too. (So did I.) > I agree with SteveSiren - it was the lyrics on Rock > Follies that soured the icing on top of a very bad > tasting cake. What was Schuman thinking ? I cringe > even now when I think of one of their destined to miss > Singles - 'Glenn Miller Is Missing', containing such > gems as "there's a space in the sky, where his plane > used to fly", and, even better, "his specs and baton, > and his dreams are all gone". God help us. [...] > Oh, how I wish another lyricist was around for the > series, because Andy was/is way too cool for something > as awful as this. I watched it too growing up, broadcast on public television in the US. My sisters and I watched everything on public TV once we finally had access to it in our cultural backwater. We didn't really get "Rock Follies," but we ascribed its weirdness to its British heritage (go ahead, tell me I'm wrong on that one) and to the fact that it was on public TV which is where I watched such things as Ken Russell's film about Gustav Mahler (several times over, with my dad who was as equally entranced as I was, although he has never quite to come to share my fascination with Mahler), Monty Python, Rock Follies, old movies, and whatever else came along. (Of course this was before public TV became yet another corporate Mall Of America, with endless Ken Burns marathons about nothing, and endless streams of Yanni/John Tesh/John Gray/The Three Tenors/The Irish Tenors/Riverdance, and when we expected something more than unfunny sitcoms and costume dramas. I can't help it; I miss "Danger: UXB." But I digress.) In the American world variety shows featuring Tony Orlando and Dawn, Sonny and Cher, Donny and Marie, and Carol Burnett, "Rock Follies" seemed to fit in pretty well. Plus our parents didn't like it but since it was on "educational TV" they put up with it. The lyrics might have been awful. Or they just might appear awful to us a few decades later, not unlike turn-of-the-century parlor songs. I don't know that Andy has to hang his head in shame. It was a moment, perhaps an unselfconscious one, and if so, all the more precious in a world which has elevated hyper-self-consciousness into some sort of deity. Or maybe it was just all horrible crap and I didn't know any better back then in Naugatuck, Connecticut. But I prefer not to think so. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #489 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest