From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #486 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, October 17 2001 Volume 06 : Number 486 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Probably a repeat..... [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: RE: RE: [AVALON] Probably a repeat..... ["Simon Galloway" ] [AVALON] Best lyrics? ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: SOTW ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] Best lyrics? ["Simon Galloway" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: SOTW [Ceesse@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] J.O'B's world tour [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Probably a repeat..... [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Re: SOTW [KB Porter ] [AVALON] Public hair ["Jas" ] Re: [AVALON] Best lyrics? [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Public hair [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Re: As The World Turns/Four Letter Love ["Ann Marie Shaw" ] Re: [AVALON] Best lyrics? ["Peter Seely" ] Re: [AVALON] Best lyrics? ["Sebastian Fasthuber" ] Re: [AVALON] Best lyrics? ["Therese O'Donnell" ] Re: [AVALON] Vanity Fair [Susan Stekel ] RE: [AVALON] Best lyrics? ["Fiske, Jocelyn" ] RE: [AVALON] Re: SOTW ["Fiske, Jocelyn" ] Re: [AVALON] Public hair [AMeyersLD@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Public hair [AMeyersLD@aol.com] [AVALON] New Australian Roxy Music Forum open now. [=?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnt] [AVALON] The dot com worlds of John O'B and Chris Turner ["Fiske, Jocelyn] Re: [AVALON] The dot com worlds of John O'B and Chris Turner ["Ann Marie ] Re: [AVALON] Re: SOTW [Jane Fraser ] RE: [AVALON] The dot com worlds of John O'B and Chris Turner ["Fiske, Joc] Re: [AVALON] J.O'B's world tour ["Douglas Robertson" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: Bonnie Langford [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Re: Bonnie Langford ["Rachel Smither" > Bryan intended using Bonnie Langford for the cover of Mamouna but chose > to > > > use a horse instead. > > I noticed she named her spawn Briana. > > Could that mean?????? Oh, perish the thought! Arnie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:35:32 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: RE: RE: [AVALON] Probably a repeat..... Let's get this straight - there's no ginger genes in my family ;-) SimonG >>> "Fiske, Jocelyn" 10/16 4:26 pm >>> What can I say? It's a sick world... it's had over half a million visitors, that's what happens when pensioners get on the net! SimonG Don't lie, you've been on it at least 25,000 times and the rest will be repeat visits from her family who left her by the M62 in a travelling trunk with grease paint and curly wigs when she was but a child star, just checking to make sure she hasn't moved anywhere near them. Hang on a minute... curly wigs.. Simon that long lost big sister you told me about... it has to be.... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 07:36:08 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: SOTW - ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.M.K." To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:23 AM Subject: [AVALON] Re: SOTW >My image of that & on a sexual note tells me > the person has finally reached his desire with his plastic doll. That's > how I always heard this song catching every word, every phrase, even how > the song builds at the end. I`ve always thought of the doll as being a euphemism for the souless object the singer views his sexual conquest as. She`s the "perfect companion." He "buys" her, "serves" her, then "disposes" of her. Classic "Wham Bam Thank You M'am." Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:01:00 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: [AVALON] Best lyrics? Bryan Ferry is a great lyricist, which in all your opinions is his best album lyrically? Terry "O" NP:Your Song/Ewan McGregor. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:57:55 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: SOTW - ----- Original Message ----- From: tmoq To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: SOTW > > IShe`s the "perfect companion." He > "buys" her, "serves" her, then "disposes" of her. Classic "Wham Bam Thank > You M'am." > > Gene "I'll use you and I'll confuse you, and then I'll lose you, but still you won't suspect me" B Ferry 1972. If this came from an ugly man, I'm sure you girls would call him a chauvinist pig! NP: Children of the Revolution./ Bono. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:04:29 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Best lyrics? I'd say he WAS a great lyricist, it all started going a bit iffy after Manifesto, to the point where much of Mamouna may as well not have lyrics! But best album lyrically? Either FYP or Stranded, but then again, they've got best EVERYTHING!!!! SimonG >>> "terrypaulrigz8c" 10/17 1:01 pm >>> Bryan Ferry is a great lyricist, which in all your opinions is his best album lyrically? Terry "O" NP:Your Song/Ewan McGregor. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:05:52 EDT From: Ceesse@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: SOTW Oh, he'd be a pig, handsome or no....but men get to have their fantasies, too.... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:30:53 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] J.O'B's world tour Dear John: It was such a pleasure to read your post "J.O'B's world tour". The offer still stands - come back any time and you'll find genuine hospitality and hospice extended your way. Again, Emma and you have/are creating a website of Herculean effort and importance. Its comprehensiveness leads me to believe the two of you never sleep, always expanding the site, cross referencing it, striving for perfection in its content and accessibility. As a Bryan Ferry, Roxy Music fan, and as an Avalonian and friend, I salute your productive efforts and thank you from the soles of my shoes to the tippy-tops of my head! Best wishes. K.B.Porter ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:39:27 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Probably a repeat..... [ Let's get this straight - there's no ginger genes in my family ;-) SimonG ] But, there are no curls without the ginger gene! Just can't get this straight ;-) KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:49:49 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: SOTW Hands down. Terry, he is a sexist! We still love 'em, when they come so nicely packaged. Just another Smoothie Schmooz, but increasingly a decreasing species. Its art seems lost on the younger crowd. Don Juan, where is he now? Casanova's....... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 07:50:56 -0500 From: "Jas" Subject: [AVALON] Public hair Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:28:16 -0500 From: "Paul Bodine" Subject: [AVALON] Vanity Fair The same issue features Beck compiling the 50 best rock albums ever (unranked), which includes "Country Life." Beck's comment: "I was amazed when this came out. Public hair. Amazonian disaffection. Even with the hand on the crotch, it seemed sexless and cold." A little harsh ? Paul in Milwaukee Hey Paul: I don't know about "public hair" but I did see some pubic ones on the cover. Ahem.... Harsh and cold? No. This was Beck's comments. How dare he slam my fav Roxy release. Jas ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:00:37 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Best lyrics? "I'd say he WAS a great lyricist, it all started going a bit iffy after Manifesto, to the point where much of Mamouna may as well not have lyrics!" Simon, that is very harsh. Mamouna lyricist are very introverted and highly personal. I chose to think of them as an evolution of Mr. Ferry's work. True they aren't obviously subtle and cleaver, not really catchy in a feisty manner. The later lyrics are highly crafted and mature, there are limited flourishes and an economic use of words. His lyrical style has definitely changed over the years. We, as listeners, are entitled to think of them as we like. I'd say he IS a great lyricist! That makes for a marvelous and rich listening experience. Tomatoes - tomatos, tomato - tomatoe. As we like, it's all very Ferry! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:08:08 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Public hair I could go for public hair, any day. Ah, the Country Life. Haven't had enough coffee this morning - I totally missed the typo first time around. Good job siting it, Jas! BTW, what was the recipe for the Chicago martini? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:18:25 +0000 From: "Ann Marie Shaw" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: As The World Turns/Four Letter Love >From: OBrienFerry@aol.com >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: >Subject: [AVALON] Re: As The World Turns/Four Letter Love >Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 10:36:52 EDT >For information on other Bryan Ferry non album tracks check :- >http://www.vivaroxymusic.com:8080/1973 >Regards > >John O'Brien Thanks to all of you who helped me track down this stuff, I have managed to order a copy of the Mamouna E.P. What is annoying is that it has been available for the last 6 years and I didn't even know. Ann Marie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:22:13 +0100 From: "Simon Galloway" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Best lyrics? I know it's harsh, but that's the way it's presented on disc. The vocals on Mamouna are mixed way back to the point where they're just another sound on the record. If the lyrics had any real importance to the tracks they would have been noticeable at least, to me they lack spark and inspiration. The other problem I have with Mamouna (and Bete Noire for that matter) is that he uses a lot of cliches, or relies little phrases that he likes - chained and bound anyone? SimonG >>> KB Porter 10/17 2:00 pm >>> "I'd say he WAS a great lyricist, it all started going a bit iffy after Manifesto, to the point where much of Mamouna may as well not have lyrics!" Simon, that is very harsh. Mamouna lyricist are very introverted and highly personal. I chose to think of them as an evolution of Mr. Ferry's work. True they aren't obviously subtle and cleaver, not really catchy in a feisty manner. The later lyrics are highly crafted and mature, there are limited flourishes and an economic use of words. His lyrical style has definitely changed over the years. We, as listeners, are entitled to think of them as we like. I'd say he IS a great lyricist! That makes for a marvelous and rich listening experience. Tomatoes - tomatos, tomato - tomatoe. As we like, it's all very Ferry! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 07:53:37 -0400 From: "Peter Seely" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Best lyrics? A tie between "Country Life" and "Stranded" for me. Pete Seely - ----- Original Message ----- From: "terrypaulrigz8c" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:01 AM Subject: [AVALON] Best lyrics? > Bryan Ferry is a great lyricist, which in all your opinions is his best album > lyrically? > > Terry "O" > > NP:Your Song/Ewan McGregor. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:36:29 +0200 From: "Sebastian Fasthuber" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Best lyrics? > chained and bound anyone? :) will i ever find my way again?... yes he did... finally sebastian ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:00:00 -0400 From: "Peter Seely" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Best lyrics? One thing seem clear to me. Regardless of how one may defend his lyrics after "Manifesto" (and I agree with Simon, that's basically the cutoff line), I can't think of a single lyric he wrote after that album that would make me laugh or smile at its twisted irony. I've always been more of a music first/lyrics second kind of guy, but the lyrics of the first few albums demand your attention. But after "Manifesto," the lyrics seem pretty inconsequential to me. Pete Seely - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon Galloway" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Best lyrics? > I know it's harsh, but that's the way it's presented on disc. The vocals on Mamouna are mixed way back to the point where they're just another sound on the record. If the lyrics had any real importance to the tracks they would have been noticeable at least, to me they lack spark and inspiration. The other problem I have with Mamouna (and Bete Noire for that matter) is that he uses a lot of cliches, or relies little phrases that he likes - chained and bound anyone? > > SimonG > > >>> KB Porter 10/17 2:00 pm >>> > "I'd say he WAS a great lyricist, it all started going a bit > iffy after Manifesto, to the point where much of Mamouna may > as well not have lyrics!" > > Simon, that is very harsh. > > Mamouna lyricist are very introverted and highly personal. I chose to > think of them as an evolution of Mr. Ferry's work. True they aren't > obviously subtle and cleaver, not really catchy in a feisty manner. The > later lyrics are highly crafted and mature, there are limited flourishes > and an economic use of words. His lyrical style has definitely changed > over the years. We, as listeners, are entitled to think of them as we > like. I'd say he IS a great lyricist! That makes for a marvelous and > rich listening experience. > > Tomatoes - tomatos, tomato - tomatoe. As we like, it's all very Ferry! > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:41:43 +0000 From: "Therese O'Donnell" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Best lyrics? Despite my commitment to CL I'd have to say that Stranded has the best of all lyrics - sheer artistry. Pure poetry. Perfect. Cheers Therese - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:47:47 -0500 From: Susan Stekel Subject: Re: [AVALON] Vanity Fair At 12:28 AM 10/17/01 -0500, you wrote: >The same issue features Beck compiling the 50 best rock albums ever >(unranked), which includes "Country Life." >Beck's comment: "I was amazed when this came out. Public hair. Amazonian >disaffection. Even with the hand on the crotch, it seemed sexless and cold." > >A little harsh ? Correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't have the copy of Vanity Fair in front of me and I was more than a little sleepy when I was reading it last night, but: isn't the article ranking the top 50 album _covers_, and not the albums themselves? If so: I don't have a problem with Beck's comments, and I don't think he was slamming the album at all. For one thing -- he did include it on the list of best covers ever. And for another -- "sexless and cold"? I don't know if I agree entirely, but with the glare of the lights, the haughty-yet-sultry expressions on the models, I can see where he gets it. I always liked Bryan's explanation that it was if the girls had gotten caught doing something mysterious in the course of a really wild country house party. I never get invited to those sorts of parties. Sigh. And of course, if it wasn't the cover that he was talking about, then you can just blame this on me being much too sleepy yet this morning. Heading out on a coffee run, Susan ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:02:14 +0100 From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Best lyrics? > chained and bound anyone? SimonG You'd think a man of his age would have grown out of this lightweight S&M business by now wouldn't you? Either that or grow into the real deal. Pandora's Box anyone? Madame Whiplash ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:06:11 +0100 From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re: SOTW "I'll use you and I'll confuse you, and then I'll lose you, but still you won't suspect me" B Ferry 1972. If this came from an ugly man, I'm sure you girls would call him a chauvinist pig! Ah, but might it not be the handsome man that gets away with it, but the charming man?? Morissey ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:17:03 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Public hair In a message dated 10/17/01 7:51:04 AM, jas2347@home.com writes: << Hey Paul: I don't know about "public hair" but I did see some pubic ones on the cover. Ahem.... >> Those of you old enough to remember the "10,000 Year Old Man" by Mel Brooks and Carl Reiner, would know that 'public hair' is the hair that the public can see: hair on the arms and chin, specifically. I am at work, and can't look at my copy of CL, but I don't remember either model having whiskers.... Andrew in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:18:36 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Public hair In a message dated 10/17/01 8:07:31 AM, kbporte@attglobal.net writes: << BTW, what was the recipe for the Chicago martini? >> The Negroni: One part Campari, One Part Sweet Vermouth Two parts Gin (was one, but it was too sweet) garnish with lime Andrew in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:36:23 +1000 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnter_Wandtke?= Subject: [AVALON] New Australian Roxy Music Forum open now. For all the Austral Pacific Avalonians we have started a new forum called "ausroxy", find it at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ausroxy The idea is by no means to set up a rival for Avalon, but mearly to create a platform for Aussie and Kiwi internal communications that are not of roaring interest for the rest of the Avalonians, eg organizing local CD trees or sharing some experiences from the recent tour or organizing get-togethers for future local Roxy/Ferry events. Anyway, whoever feels suspicious they might miss out on something is also welcome to sign up. Also the Yahoo groups platform is only a preliminary choice to get started, I am aware of all it's shortcomings, like a somewhat cumbersome signup procedure. Any better ideas welcome. Gunter Wandtke ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:32:34 +0100 From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" Subject: [AVALON] The dot com worlds of John O'B and Chris Turner I'd also like to add my congratulations to two fantastically on the ball sites that should be in everyone's favourites (and if they're not, why not??) Namely (in no particular order but alphabetically): www.roxyrama.com and www.vivarowymusic.com They have doubly handedly kept us all informed throughout the entire tour, giving us dates before anyone officially had managed to do so. Chris put us all onto TOTP2 before all the tickets were snapped up and John's site had world exclusive pictures of Roxy performing live again after 18 years, up and running only a couple of hours after the end of the Dublin concert. I know Phil is already hugely impressed by both guys efforts and I thought how great it would be to not just give our thanks in our own little insular world here to the guys, but let the powers that be know that there are people out there doing a job supporting their artists, for love not money, and doing it bloody well. Any suggestions anyone? Jocelyn (in a momentary lapse of seriousness) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:08:01 +0000 From: "Ann Marie Shaw" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The dot com worlds of John O'B and Chris Turner >From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: "'avalon@smoe.org'" >Subject: [AVALON] The dot com worlds of John O'B and Chris Turner >Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 15:32:34 +0100 > >I'd also like to add my congratulations to two fantastically on the ball >sites that should be in everyone's favourites (and if they're not, why >not??) > >Namely (in no particular order but alphabetically): > >www.roxyrama.com and www.vivarowymusic.com > >They have doubly handedly kept us all informed throughout the entire tour, >giving us dates before anyone officially had managed to do so. Chris put us >all onto TOTP2 before all the tickets were snapped up and John's site had >world exclusive pictures of Roxy performing live again after 18 years, up >and running only a couple of hours after the end of the Dublin concert. > >I know Phil is already hugely impressed by both guys efforts and I thought >how great it would be to not just give our thanks in our own little insular >world here to the guys, but let the powers that be know that there are >people out there doing a job supporting their artists, for love not money, >and doing it bloody well. > >Any suggestions anyone? > >Jocelyn (in a momentary lapse of seriousness) Here, here! Jocelyn. I was never as fan of websites because they didn't seem to tell me anything I didn't know, but that was only because I only looked at the official sites. Silly me, I thought if I am going to find out something it will be on the offical Bryan Ferry site, how wrong I was. If the official people had any sense they should learn from these guys. I would imagine the official people at Bryan Ferry must know of these sites especially if Phil Manzanera has commented on them, I would imagine he we point them out to Bryan surely. The charming thing about roxyrama & vivaroxymusic is that these sites seem to be set up for the benifit of the fans and not the creators. Ann Marie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:12:51 +0100 From: Jane Fraser Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: SOTW Don't know the context of this supposed Ferry quote but it seems to have some relevance: I don't think I'd get on very well with women's libbers. I'm probably more interested with domination. Did someone mention chauvinist pigs.......? Jane on 17/10/01 12:36 pm, tmoq at tmoq@pipeline.com wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M.M.K." > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:23 AM > Subject: [AVALON] Re: SOTW > > >> My image of that & on a sexual note tells me >> the person has finally reached his desire with his plastic doll. That's >> how I always heard this song catching every word, every phrase, even how >> the song builds at the end. > > I`ve always thought of the doll as being a euphemism for the souless object > the singer views his sexual conquest as. She`s the "perfect companion." He > "buys" her, "serves" her, then "disposes" of her. Classic "Wham Bam Thank > You M'am." > > Gene > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:22:44 +0100 From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" Subject: RE: [AVALON] The dot com worlds of John O'B and Chris Turner > Silly me, I thought if I am going to find out something it will be on the offical Bryan Ferry site, how wrong I was. If the official people had any sense they should learn from these guys. I would imagine the official people at Bryan Ferry must know of these sites especially if Phil Manzanera has commented on them, I would imagine he we point them out to Bryan surely. Well yes, you would imagine it, but I wouldn't assume anything. The difference between Phil and Bryan in the internet world is that Phil is net savvy with the very helpful and amenable Bill MacCormick at the helm, and Bryan is a little internet unaware with people only pointing out to him what they want to point out. And when they're not touring together I doubt if there's much chance of Phil pointing Bryan toward the right stuff. I just think it would be a huge shame if all this great work went unnoticed by the man who so obviously has inspired their very being - namely Bryan himself. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:55:59 +0100 From: "Douglas Robertson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] J.O'B's world tour I only found vivaroxymusic.com & roxyrama.com, after getting fed up looking at the so called official web pages. it changed my life, Emma and John could not be more helpful and helped me fulfil my dream, pictures with Roxy Music, WOW. I only found the sites while trying to find ways of adding to my collection of Roxy/Ferry material, The so called official sites are no help at all, but after finding roxyrama it helped me ad items to look for, then I found John and Emmas site, it has won me over to add Phil, Andy. Paul and Chris Speddings work to my collection. come on officialdom let the ones who care. do the sites. you'll sell more and keep people interested more, which sites get the most hits. because 1 hit at vivaroxymusic.com or roxyrama.com is probably worth more than 10 hits at the official sites. sorry if I have not visited the other sites there is that much on Johns and Chris's sites, one day soon, Tara - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:48 AM Subject: [AVALON] J.O'B's world tour > I knew there would be times like this when I’d sit at home and reminisce….. > > You’ve got me boy on the run around, you’ve got me all around the world.. > > 4 months later 6 countries 10 cities 15 shows 20 zegagazzillion pounds and I am now unbuckling the safety harness on the rollercoaster. I had only seen Roxy as a band once prior to this tour and it was great to be able to see them again. I have always said that Roxy Music is the soundtrack to my life and that would apply to a lot of others on this list too. Over the last 4 months I had all sorts of flashbacks from my previous 30+ years. I laughed, I cried and I knew why. I remembered all those special moments in my life that Roxy where the backdrop too. I laughed with my new found friends on this list before during and after the shows. I cried at the memory of special moments that I shared with my late parents that these songs were part of, my whole life was replayed back to me in the space of 4 months. > > The highlights for me on this tour are hard to define as I there where so many different highs for me. The Dublin show takes quite a beating in that the element of surprise was there for us. The surprise of the opening drum on For Your Pleasure at this show was a treasure so rare. Many gig post gatherings in Newcastle and London and meeting many fans especially Betsy at Wembley who came all the way from San Francisco to meet us all again and take in a show while she was there. > > On to USA and I didn’t quite believe it at Glasgow airport that morning that I was heading to America just to see Roxy Music. The buzz of walking through a train station in Philladelphia and meeting peole I know. The surrealism of walking into a bar near Washington and overhearing someone say “that’s John O’Brien”, I mean, I was thousands of miles from home. Boston was the low point in the tour for me when the doctors advice of “don’t go to USA, stay home” made sense, as an illness that I had prior to leaving was kicking in and the jet lag didn’t help. This low was quickly sorted with a wonderful time in Cape Cod courtesy of Will with very relaxing chat with Reecey, Will & Colleen for 2 evenings and a day. > > On to NYC, walking to the venue for the first show I saw a huge light sign saying “Roxy Music Madison Square Garden” that was a real buzz. Coal miners sons living in the farthest reaches of my homeland just don’t go to places like that, I had to pinch myself. And just when I thought I was all Roxied out, I couldn’t believe how rich in contrast this show was to the previous one, one of the best shows of the tour for me. The fan gathering back in the pub after the show was one of those impromptu wonderful evenings you just can’t explain. I knew that night why I had went to the bother and expense of crossing the Atlantic. > > The New York disaster on 11th September brought a lot home to me. I had been there, I had friends there, I had a wonderful time there. This Roxy Music thing had brought so many people together who had so many genuine concerns for people whom they had never met and probably never will. This was another example of what being a Roxy fan brings to you other than the music, friendships as well as seeing the world. > > Rotterdam & Antwerp found me adding to the foreign currency I have collected in going to Roxy/Ferry shows. It was great to meet “the Dutch” on their own backyard, and again I had some of the best social evenings of my life. Belgium will have to stock up with beer before I return though. > > Glasgow 2 was easily the best gig of the tour, the atmosphere and performance was second to none and as someone born and brought up just outside Glasgow I was proud of the reputation of the Glasgow audiences was still intact. > > The final show in London was a great gig to finish off with. The audience were really up for it in contrast to the 1st night in Hammersmith. Looking along the front row I recognised every face their. It was so fitting for all these people to be sitting there as I had seen them all in various corners around the world through all summer long. > > Like the As Time Goes By tour, the post show gatherings are what this is all about and if Roxy or Bryan doesn’t tour for a while I am sure we will find an excuse to meet up again. > > On a personal level I had some nice compliments about the webite that I launched at the start of the tour. The nicest one was after saying goodbye to many friends after the last show John Dillon said “it’s been a great tour and you have played a part in that.” > It’s nice that the fan-based websites get the recognition from the fans in their part in the tour between informing of dates and ticket sales to reporting in all the shows. > > A big thanks to Phil Manzanera who arranged for me to take Emma to meet him, Bryan & the band. Phil was impressed by the website and the work we had both put in to it. She has been my unsung hero for this tour. > > My bank manager is now an active member of The Society For The Abolition Of Bryan Ferry Live Concerts. He has told me that all that the word Roxy should mean to me for a while is:- > > Re-earning > Of > Xtra > Yen > > It was great to meet you all > > John O’Brien > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 13:17:25 -0500 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: SOTW I think this may be a little off base. I don't think it's about a plastic doll at all, just the type of women who have certain characteristics of a plastic doll. Lack of personality, visually perfect (skin is like vinyl), ungiving, ungratefull, selfish. Don't have time to go on to much. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.M.K." > In Every Dream Home a Heartache,Viva, live is by far best version, more > enthusiasm on Ferry's part. Lost something as time went on. It also's on > New Town,Live in Europe,very good, there as well. The song is very > provocative, conveying that all the riches that one finally succeeds at. > Still can't bring you the love you desire discovering all the trappings > of luxury even a penthouse one owns. To have companionship all the time > he buys a doll ( We know what those are for ) He dresses her daily, > floats her in his pool.Even goes on to say my breath is in side you, & > then you blew my mind!!! My image of that & on a sexual note tells me > the person has finally reached his desire with his plastic doll. That's > how I always heard this song catching every word, every phrase, even how > the song builds at the end. The energy, just like the new found energy, > his doll,his lover of sorts has given him. People do these things & the > song is about even one who has everything, still can get pleasure even > if it is a plastic doll. When myself & friends first heard this song we > were quite blown away by the lyrics. " Is he singing about what I think > he's singing?" Then we'd play it over & over & all agree "Yeah he is" I > love this song, so truly honest. > Marlana............................................................ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:09:35 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Bonnie Langford In a message dated 10/17/2001 1:26:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, timtuck@home.com writes: > I STILL dont know what all the hubbub is about). But she appears > I concur, but then, I have a *thing* for redheads. Bring on Ginger Spice! Arnie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:23:30 +0100 From: "Rachel Smither" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Bonnie Langford - -----Original Message----- From.kevin routley To: avalon@smoe.org Date: 17 October 2001 20.18 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Bonnie Langford >bonnie langford . i met her in woking a few months ago a really nice person better in the flesh than on the tele. she was really small but there again television makes people appear different. while on the subject of famous people saw robson green in toys r us a couple of weeks ago . that guy is a real arse hole .the most miserable bastard lve met . > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #486 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest