From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #477 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, October 10 2001 Volume 06 : Number 477 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 [KWil632057@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 ["Cassidy, Chris J (CCS)" ] RE: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] Sex, nudity, bootlegs versus relevancy of New Album & Tour ["Ca] Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 [KWil632057@aol.com] [none] ["Cassidy, Chris J (CCS)" ] Re: [AVALON] please stop the dance [KB Porter ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] Re: your mail [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] RE: [AVALON] please stop the dance ["Fiske, Jocelyn" ] [AVALON] (AVALON)Ferry 2002 [OBrienFerry@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 [AMeyersLD@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 [=?iso-8859-1?q?john=20barry?= ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 [KWil632057@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 ["Becky Payne" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 [KWil632057@aol.com] RE: [AVALON] Bravenet new world ["Heather James" ] Re: [AVALON] Spin me round [=?iso-8859-1?q?john=20barry?= ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:18:57 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 I dont think that Ferry will play the Roxy songs on a solo tour really. Jonathan In a message dated 10/10/01 01:18:19 GMT Daylight Time, ASchulberg@aol.com writes: > > > > He played 14 or 15 > > songs on his Mamouna tour. He is not a 20 song kinda performer. If he > really > > is supporting a new album, he will play 3 off of his new album, 6 Roxy > Songs > > and 6 other solos. Wishful thinking is one thing, but lets get a grip on > > reality. Running out of time. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:11:11 +0100 From: "Cassidy, Chris J (CCS)" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 Yes, lets get a grip on reality and let's not let facts get in the way eh? . When I saw Ferry in 1999 and 2000 he performed 20-23 songs. At 3 (Nottingham, Birmingham both nights) of the 6 Roxy concerts I attended, 20 songs were performed. I find it difficult to believe, when he has such a wealth of solo material plus his first self-penned (plus some new covers?) material for 8 years on release, that he would feel the need to perform 6 Roxy songs on his next tour. The Roxy songs performed on his last tour were surely designed to whet appetites/test the water for (possible future) Roxy ticket sales? I would expect a set of at least 90-100 minutes duration with 18-20 songs performed, we'll see. Chris > ---Original Message----- > From: PeteK [SMTP:petekstranded@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: 09 October 2001 05:29 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 > > He is not a 20 song kinda performer. If he really > is supporting a new album, he will play 3 off of his new album, 6 Roxy > Songs > and 6 other solos. Wishful thinking is one thing, but lets get a grip on > reality. Running out of time. > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:48:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sex, nudity, bootlegs On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 InterEireann@aol.com wrote: > Now people, I think we need to be nice. The original post had a little > of the "wind up" about it, smelt a little like alcohol or boredom > induced. Please..don't take everything here or what one might say > oneself..too seriously. Many responses have displayed either > insecurity or a puritanism or snobbery about what we can discuss here. > Fuck it..this is not a place for know it alls Avalon isn't "a place for know it alls"? Heaven forfend. What next? There's no room for pretentiousness here? How will the list survive? Colleen (still trying to work out how implying the original poster is drinking at work is considered being "nice") ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:53:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: RE: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Cassidy, Chris J (CCS) wrote: > attended, 20 songs were performed. I find it difficult to believe, > when he has such a wealth of solo material plus his first self-penned > (plus some new covers?) material for 8 years on release, that he would > feel the need to perform 6 Roxy songs on his next tour. The Roxy > songs performed on his last tour were surely designed to whet > appetites/test the water for (possible future) Roxy ticket sales? I As Mr. Ferry had been on record as saying that he had no interest in a reunion at the time of the _As Time Goes By_ tour, I doubt that that is why Roxy songs were performed on that tour. As for the contention that Ferry wouldn't play 6 Roxy songs on any future solo tours (let's not start planning on a tour yet since there is no concrete sign yet of that originals album), I seem to remember him playing at least these Roxy songs when I saw him on the _Bete Noire_ tour: Both Ends Burning, Avalon, The Main Thing (I could be wrong about that one), Jealous Guy, In Every Dreamhome A Heartache, Do The Strand. I believe at least 5 of those turned up for the _Mamouna_ set as well. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:56:30 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 In a message dated 10/10/01 11:54:53 GMT Daylight Time, cjem@his.com writes: > > As for the contention that Ferry wouldn't play 6 Roxy songs on any future > solo tours (let's not start planning on a tour yet since there is no > concrete sign yet of that originals album), I seem to remember him playing > at least these Roxy songs when I saw him on the _Bete Noire_ tour: Both > Ends Burning, Avalon, The Main Thing (I could be wrong about that one), > Jealous Guy, In Every Dreamhome A Heartache, Do The Strand. I believe at > least 5 of those turned up for the _Mamouna_ set as well. > Yeah but he hadn't just completed a Roxy tour before those tours... Jonathan ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:20:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > Yeah but he hadn't just completed a Roxy tour before those tours... And your point is? I doubt he's been performing "Avalon" or "Jealous Guy" at every solo show for the last 10 years because he loves them so much or to secure a reunion deal. And in fact, one would think that given the relative success of the Roxy tour vis-a-vis his solo tours there would be even more of an impetus for him to keep a fair amount of Roxy stuff in his arsenal. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:03:57 +0100 From: "Cassidy, Chris J (CCS)" Subject: [AVALON] Sex, nudity, bootlegs versus relevancy of New Album & Tour A discussion of album covers and the use of 'sexy' women thereon MORE relevant than??????; * anticipation about the first self-penned (hopefully in the main) Ferry ('ROCK!') album in nearly 8 years, which Ferry in recent weeks has repeatedly stated will be released in February 2002 - he's had more than one opportunity to put that date back so it looks promising at the moment; * a tour to promote that material with a rejuvenated, confident Ferry at the helm plus the nucleus of a superb band already in place; * in the above context, a discussion about which songs individual avalonians would like to see performed - my own choices were not necessarily personal favourites but in most cases songs which I've either never seen performed live before or certainly not for a long time or would just be intrigued to hear live - eg. All Tomorrows Parties. If that is your honest opinion then I will respect it. Personally, I don't mind what is discussed on the list as long as it's 'relevant' to the subject of the list and the people on it. Regards Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: ASchulberg@aol.com [SMTP:ASchulberg@aol.com] > Sent: 09 October 2001 20:18 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Sex, nudity, bootlegs > > In a message dated 10/09/2001 1:15:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > cjem@his.com > writes: > > > > about something only at the most > > > > I don't think a discussion of the album covers and the use of sexy women > thereon is tangentially related at all. Frankly, I think it's a very Roxy > topic and more relevant in that it relates to actual Bryan Ferry work > product > as opposed to imaginary setlists for an imaginary concert tour for an > album > that we don't know the contents of at this time. > > The conversation has been going on off-list but if anyone wants to bring > it > on-list, I think it's highly relevant. > > Arnie > > Arnie > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:07:28 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 In a message dated 10/10/01 12:22:05 GMT Daylight Time, cjem@his.com writes: > On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > > > Yeah but he hadn't just completed a Roxy tour before those tours... > > And your point is? I doubt he's been performing "Avalon" or "Jealous Guy" > at every solo show for the last 10 years because he loves them so much or > to secure a reunion deal. And in fact, one would think that given the > relative success of the Roxy tour vis-a-vis his solo tours there would be > even more of an impetus for him to keep a fair amount of Roxy stuff in his > arsenal. > > Colleen My point is that the 'unfinished business' of reforming Roxy is now finished. I really don't think he'll be doing any Roxy songs should a solo tour arise. Especially so soon after playing these songs with 'the people who played on the original records.' Any Roxy nostalgia was dealt with by the tour, theres no need for him to go back to it now... Thats my point Colleen Jonathan xx ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:55:21 +0100 From: "Cassidy, Chris J (CCS)" Subject: [none] On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Chris Cassidy said : > I find it difficult to believe, > when he has such a wealth of solo material plus his first self-penned > (plus some new covers?) material for 8 years on release, that he would > feel the need to perform 6 Roxy songs on his next tour. The Roxy > songs performed on his last tour were surely designed to whet > appetites/test the water for (possible future) Roxy ticket sales? I On Wed 10 Oct 2001, Colleen Matten replied >As Mr. Ferry had been on record as saying that he had no interest in a >reunion at the time of the _As Time Goes By_ tour, I doubt that that is >why Roxy songs were performed on that tour. Hi Colleen, hope things are well with you in view of recent events. He may well be on record as 'saying' that he had no interest in a reunion at the time of the ATGB tour ( true - he couldn't be in two places at once could he!) but then some might say - well he would say that wouldn't he as he's about to launch a solo album/tour? I have no interest in many things but still do them with great apparent enthusiasm - such as going to work! Don't you think it might have crossed his mind that a successful solo tour with obvious enthusiastic response from the audience to a small number of carefully selected Roxy songs might not result in the long awaited offer in terms of ###$$$ to do a Roxy tour? It's not beyond the realms of possibility is it? >As for the contention that Ferry wouldn't play 6 Roxy songs on any future >solo tours (let's not start planning on a tour yet since there is no >concrete sign yet of that originals album), I seem to remember him playing >at least these Roxy songs when I saw him on the _Bete Noire_ tour: Both >Ends Burning, Avalon, The Main Thing (I could be wrong about that one), >Jealous Guy, In Every Dreamhome A Heartache, Do The Strand. I believe at >least 5 of those turned up for the _Mamouna_ set as well. I did say his 'next' tour, not any future tours. My own view is that as it is extremely unlikely that there would be another Roxy tour, I feel he will be less inclined in the future, particularly his next reported tour, to perform a significant number of Roxy songs, particularly as he's just spent 6 months doing that. I would think it's more likely that he will now re-focus his efforts totally on his own name and solo music/back-catalogue. He has stated on numerous occasions recently that his new originals album will be out in February 2002 (like yourself I'll finally believe it when I'm loading it into the CD!) and a number of trusted avalonians mentioned at the recent last UK shows that he'll be touring to support it. We'll have to wait and see but it's looking promising. Best wishes Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:20:58 -0400 From: KB Porter Subject: Re: [AVALON] please stop the dance "Dahrling it costs a fortune to look trashy these days." Yes. Expensive trash. Never mind the pound notes (and under shorts) that stick out from time to time. Many people are far more moneyed than wealthy in tasteful refinement. This group over-populates the minority cadre of the low-keyed and well-maintained. Perhaps, next tour, the designer of Mr. Ferry's silver suit will retrofit said rag with blinking miniature multicolored lights. To turn you on! While I agree that "Roxy gigs have always been about the whole package, the set design and stage clothes being an integral part of it all.", it does not follow why "we needed a celebration of Roxy as a shiny new package." The latest Roxy Music tour, a fare thee well tour, was not a tour to promote something new. Then why celebrate with something shiny - wouldn't a tattered suit have been more appropriate for the historic Roxy Music? Perhaps the 'boys' should have worn prosthetics to celebrate the 'reformed' Roxy, aye? "And this wasn't a Ferry tour it was a Roxy tour." Really. Stellar observation. Wow. KBP ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:30:42 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 > I dont think that Ferry will play the Roxy songs on a solo tour really. > > Jonathan Well Jonathon, I hope you are right I loved hearing Do The Strand, LITD, IEDHAH & Avalon perforfed by ROXY MUSIC. But when I go to see Bryan Ferry I want to hear his solo songs his own compositions or covers, These Foolish Things/IYM/BSB have all been cruelly ignoured over the last few tours, IYM especially, as this seems to be a fave album in Avalonia. But it will be good to see BF out with a rock band again, I loved the ATGB tour for the covers, but the Roxy covers were pretty poor especially OOTB & Bittersweet (Sunset was good, but not on DVD). Bryan is a mon of great talent, but on stage can develope a little yellow stripe down his back when it comes to set lists, me thinks. Terry "O" NP: My only love, Downs Outh. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:34:47 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 In a message dated 10/10/01 13:27:39 GMT Daylight Time, terrypaulrigz8c@supanet.com writes: > > Well Jonathon, I hope you are right I loved hearing Do The Strand, LITD, > IEDHAH & Avalon perforfed by ROXY MUSIC. > But when I go to see Bryan Ferry I want to hear his solo songs his own > compositions or covers, These Foolish Things/IYM/BSB have all been cruelly > ignoured over the last few tours, IYM especially, as this seems to be a fave > album in Avalonia. > > But it will be good to see BF out with a rock band again, I loved the ATGB > tour for the covers, but the Roxy covers were pretty poor especially OOTB & > Bittersweet (Sunset was good, but not on DVD). > > Bryan is a mon of great talent, but on stage can develope a little yellow > stripe down his back when it comes to set lists, me thinks. > > Terry "O" > > I think the public in the past had trouble seperating solo Ferry from Roxy Music. The recent tour will hopefully split the two.... Jonathan n/p Billy Bob Thornton: Private Radio (yes really) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:41:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > My point is that the 'unfinished business' of reforming Roxy is now > finished. I really don't think he'll be doing any Roxy songs should a > solo tour arise. Especially so soon after playing these songs with > 'the people who played on the original records.' > Any Roxy nostalgia was dealt with by the tour, theres no need for him > to go back to it now... It seems you are making an assumption that Ferry has included Roxy songs in his solo setlists all of these years for nostalgic reasons. I don't think that is the driving force for their inclusion. I also don't think the reunion was--nor do I think it was meant to be--the sine qua non of his solo career as one might infer from your "unfinished business" remark. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:50:01 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 "even more of an impetus for him to keep a fair amount of Roxy stuff in his arsenal." > > Colleen Are we back on the Underwear subject?, a Roxy monogrammed jock perhaps? Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:46:56 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 In a message dated 10/10/01 13:42:26 GMT Daylight Time, cjem@his.com writes: > "unfinished > business" remark. > > Not my remark. The bands....Phils, i believe. Jonathan ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:48:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: [AVALON] Re: your mail On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Cassidy, Chris J (CCS) wrote: > Hi Colleen, hope things are well with you in view of recent events. Thanks very much, Chris. > He may well be on record as 'saying' that he had no interest in a > reunion at the time of the ATGB tour ( true - he couldn't be in two > places at once could he!) but then some might say - well he would say > that wouldn't he as he's about to launch a solo album/tour? I have no > interest in many things but still do them with great apparent > enthusiasm - such as going to work! Don't you think it might have > crossed his mind that a successful solo tour with obvious enthusiastic > response from the audience to a small number of carefully selected > Roxy songs might not result in the long awaited offer in terms of > ###$$$ to do a Roxy tour? It's not beyond the realms of possibility > is it? It's not beyond the realm of possibility. But since the offer(s) to reform Roxy has existed for many years now it's not like he needed to cultivate interest in a reunion. In fact I had it from a very good source that he was instead the holdout for a reunion for many years. What seems to have changed his mind was the response to the Roxy songs on the ATGB tour (especially as the tour went on in the summer and fewer and fewer ATGB numbers were in the set), and most importantly, if Ferry is to be believed, his near death experience last year. I also think a pretty lucrative offer, cash up front, was probably dangled in front of him this time 'round. > I did say his 'next' tour, not any future tours. My own view is that > as it is extremely unlikely that there would be another Roxy tour, I > feel he will be less inclined in the future, particularly his next > reported tour, to perform a significant number of Roxy songs, > particularly as he's just spent 6 months doing that. I would think > it's more likely that he will now re-focus his efforts totally on his > own name and solo music/back-catalogue. He has stated on numerous > occasions recently that his new originals album will be out in > February 2002 (like yourself I'll finally believe it when I'm loading > it into the CD!) and a number of trusted avalonians mentioned at the > recent last UK shows that he'll be touring to support it. We'll have > to wait and see but it's looking promising. Oh, I have no doubt that he will tour to support the album. But I suppose I'm enough of a romantic to think he's sentimental enough that he would keep some of his early/ier work in the setlist. I don't think it's a bad thing at all for him to provide that continuity and timeline. Then again, I am a historian. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:52:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/10/01 13:42:26 GMT Daylight Time, cjem@his.com writes: > > > "unfinished > > business" remark. > > > > > Not my remark. The bands....Phils, i believe. Ah, well, (correct) context is everything. Phil was (and has been) the driving force behind a reunion for many years now, hasn't he? I don't think that either of those comments can be applied to Ferry's thinking. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:00:44 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 > In a message dated 10/10/01 13:42:26 GMT Daylight Time, cjem@his.com writes: > > > "unfinished > > business" remark. > > > > > Not my remark. The bands....Phils, i believe. > > Jonathan Yeah like those "EXTRAS"! what a load of Tosh! Terry "O" Having the best lunch time for ages. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:34:19 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 > I think the public in the past had trouble seperating solo Ferry from Roxy > Music. The recent tour will hopefully split the two.... > > Jonathan Do you not think it is Ferry who either has a problem seperating the two , or is he just scared that a general audience would not accept a solo only show. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:56:49 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 > > I think the public in the past had trouble seperating solo Ferry from Roxy > > Music. The recent tour will hopefully split the two.... > > > > Jonathan > > > Do you not think it is Ferry who either has a problem seperating the two , > or is he just scared that a general audience would not accept a solo only > show. > > Terry "O" PS: I am probably not taking sponsorship into consideration. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:08:16 +0100 From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" Subject: RE: [AVALON] please stop the dance "And this wasn't a Ferry tour it was a Roxy tour." Really. Stellar observation. Wow. KBP Oh KBP, no best wishes? I'm hurt. Love always Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:22:52 +1000 From: "S Clarke" Subject: [AVALON] that gaudy suit - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Stekel" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 12:18 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] dont stop the dance > >that gaudy suit. > > Hmmm. I rather liked it. I'm with you Susan. Shelley ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:39:04 EDT From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] (AVALON)Ferry 2002 The set lists for the 3 solo tours that Bryan has done since Roxy split in 1983 can be found at the pages at the end of this post. These are from a section on tours, one of the 5 new sections that will be added to vivaroxymusic.com in the coming weeks. The balance is roughly 33% from the new album(s), 33% archive Ferry material & 33% archive Roxy material. I think Bryan sees the songs that he has written either for his own albums or Roxy as part of the same body of work. Most of the original songs on his solo albums are from when a time when Roxy were not working as a band and therefore the songs he wrote then can be seen to be an extension of what he was writing for Roxy. Even during Bryan’s 1977 tour when Roxy were not dead, merely dormant, Bryan did Love Is The Drug and Could It Happen To Me in his set I would imagine his next solo tour will have a similar divide. There are songs that he always plays, ie Avalon, Jealous Guy, Love Is The Drug, Do The Strand. These have been performed on every tour since he recorded these songs, (with the exception of Do The Strand on the ’77 tour). The set historically has been designed to play songs that interest Bryan enough to perform night after night, enough new stuff to promote the new album, what the fans want to hear and the hits. Songs like Love Is The Drug & Do The Strand work every time and Bryan enjoys playing them due to the audience reaction to them. I think if Bryan had to do a money no object one off show to 500 die-hard fans, I think the set would take on a different shape. Bete Noire 1988-89 http://www.digitalroutes.co.uk:8080/1943 Mamouna 1994-95 http://www.digitalroutes.co.uk:8080/2101 ATGB 1999-2000 http://www.digitalroutes.co.uk:8080/1980 Regards John O’Brien ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:40:09 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 The bottom line is that the reunion came about at least partly due to the lesser known Roxy stuff appearing on the ATGB. In other words, it was realised that there was still a large and active audience. Now, suppose Ferry played some of his lesser heard (in recent years) solo material.... I really dont thing there will be room on the next tour for Roxy material. Remember that tracks like Slave To Love, Don't Stop The Dance, The In Crowd, Lets Stick Together, I Put A Spell on You etc... are all warmly enjoyed by non fans. Bryan said after the ATGB tour that the next step was 'using the people on the records' (ie. Roxy). I strongly doubt that he'll take a step back from that.... Jonathan n/p Fonzi Thornton 'Fonzi Goes Pop!' ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:14:50 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 In a message dated 10/10/01 6:22:05 AM, cjem@his.com writes: << I doubt he's been performing "Avalon" or "Jealous Guy" at every solo show for the last 10 years because he loves them so much or to secure a reunion deal. >> There is a version of this on every music list I have ever been on. We must face this fact: Every Bryan Ferry solo show, and every Roxy show, will have to include Jealous Guy, Love is the Drug, and Avalon, whether we like it or not. They are the biggest hits, the 'money' songs. We may be bored to tears with them, but there it is. On the Richard Thompson list we occassionally have the verbatim debate, only substituting "Vincent Black Lightning 1952" for "Jealous Guy". Andrew in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:44:28 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?john=20barry?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 While waitng for RM to appear on stage at wembly I was questioned by a group of 6 womaen of did i love BF and told how they loved BF and couldnt wait for the show to begin The show started everyone rose to there feet and started to dance. By the time RM had got to ITIS the aforementioned girls had lost interest and murmurs of "I wish he would play something we know"was repeated many times Of course JG AV was met with Joy by the girls. For this reason BF will allways play well known RM tracks John B ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:01:42 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 But im sure their appetites would be quenched by Slave To Love, Lets Stick Together etc...... Jonathan In a message dated 10/10/01 18:48:09 GMT Daylight Time, jdb64@yahoo.com writes: > > While waitng for RM to appear on stage at wembly I > was questioned by a group of 6 womaen of did i love BF > and told how they loved BF and couldnt wait for the > show to begin > > The show started everyone rose to there feet and > started to dance. > > By the time RM had got to ITIS the aforementioned > girls had lost interest and murmurs of "I wish he > would play something we know"was repeated many times > > > Of course JG AV was met with Joy by the girls. > > > For this reason BF will allways play well known RM > tracks > > John B ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:03:16 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 At 08.52 -0400 1-10-10, Colleen Matan wrote: >Ah, well, (correct) context is everything. Phil was (and has been) the >driving force behind a reunion for many years now, hasn't he? I don't >think that either of those comments can be applied to Ferry's thinking. This was not the impression I got from meeting Mr Manzanera. He had been involved with South American music and this was an offer with money up front, others have not been as realistic, although that was not the word he used. One of our pugs, not the cover star, has lost his right eye, so I am a bit down at moment. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:21:37 +0000 From: "Becky Payne" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 >My point is that the 'unfinished business' of reforming Roxy is now >finished. >I really don't think he'll be doing any Roxy songs should a solo tour >arise. I bet you any money that he *will* perform a handful of Roxy songs !! Becky x _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:24:27 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry 2002 In a message dated 10/10/01 19:23:05 GMT Daylight Time, bextor74@hotmail.com writes: > I bet you any money that he *will* perform a handful of Roxy songs !! > > Becky x Ok...i bet you three and nine. That he wont play any. Jonathan ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:56:59 -0400 From: "Heather James" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Bravenet new world And probably just as mean spirited and petty ... sigh. -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com MCC NOVA's Website: http://www.mccnova.com/ Heather's WebGal Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ My Trades page: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-boots.html >------------------------------------------------------------------------< > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > David Firmin > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 4:42 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Bravenet new world > > > The Phil Manzanera forum now shares the same virus free format as > pauldrum.com forum and the Roxy Music web forum. > > Now, if only Andy and Bryan would come over to our side.... > > Phil Manzanera and Roxy Music Discussion Forum > http://pub20.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1644551412 > > Paul's Forum > http://pub17.bravenet.com/forum/show.asp?usernum=1385772333 > > Roxy Music Web Forum > http://pub42.bravenet.com/forum/show.asp?usernum=3542466064 > > *** > > > __________________________________________________________________ > _________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:03:46 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?john=20barry?= Subject: Re: [AVALON] Spin me round When asked by our wedding video man which backing music we would like we selected the following Intro to video The way you look tonight (original version not BFs) First dance These folish things (BFs) Meeting guests When somebody thinks (BFs) Carrickfergus (BFs) Stil shots of wedding day As time goes by(Bfs) Ending music & Still shots of Mrs Barry When she walks in the room (BFs) I would be interested to know if any other members have picked BF or RM music for any special events John B ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:03:37 -0700 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bravenet new world Maybe you should venture out of your comfort zone and chat with Paul Thompson and Bill MacCormick. They know a lot about Roxy. One of them was actually in the band! on 10/10/01 12:56 PM, Heather James at hjames@thewebgal.com wrote: > And probably just as mean spirited and petty ... sigh. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of >> David Firmin >> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 4:42 PM >> To: avalon@smoe.org >> Subject: [AVALON] Bravenet new world >> >> >> The Phil Manzanera forum now shares the same virus free format as >> pauldrum.com forum and the Roxy Music web forum. >> >> Now, if only Andy and Bryan would come over to our side.... >> >> Phil Manzanera and Roxy Music Discussion Forum >> http://pub20.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=1644551412 >> >> Paul's Forum >> http://pub17.bravenet.com/forum/show.asp?usernum=1385772333 >> >> Roxy Music Web Forum >> http://pub42.bravenet.com/forum/show.asp?usernum=3542466064 *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #477 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest