From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #441 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Thursday, September 13 2001 Volume 06 : Number 441 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Terrible Tragedy [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Terrible Tragedy [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] Terrible Tragedy [Daniel Atterbom ] Re: [AVALON] What's going on? [Daniel Atterbom ] [AVALON] Should have been a good day. ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] [AVALON] Q top 50 albums ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON] At Risk? [Heather James ] Re: [AVALON] Q top 50 albums [Daniel Atterbom ] [AVALON] Worth a look [BILL ] Re: [AVALON] Should have been a good day. [David Firmin ] Re: [AVALON] Should have been a good day. [KarenASwenson@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Psalm" ["C. H. Soetemann" ] [AVALON] Chicago Boot ["Tara Rogers" ] Re: [AVALON] Tragedy [Stephen.Pepperrell@t-online.de (Stephen Pepperrell)] [AVALON] Doing what I can where I can [Rick ] Re: [AVALON] Thanks [Stephen.Pepperrell@t-online.de (Stephen Pepperrell)] Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Psalm" ["David Squires " ] [AVALON] Rotterdam september 13th : AMAZINGLY GREAT SHOW ["David Gilmour"] Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Psalm" ["S Clarke" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:03:37 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Terrible Tragedy At 10.14 -0500 1-09-12, rlecloux@execpc.com wrote: >Hi Daniel, > >Actually in times like this I prefer Roger Water's "When The Wind >Blows" side 2. The Towers of Faith... It give me goosebumps listening >to the lyrics. > >Rockin' Rod Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:07:58 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Terrible Tragedy At 10.14 -0500 1-09-12, rlecloux@execpc.com wrote: >Hi Daniel, > >Actually in times like this I prefer Roger Water's "When The Wind >Blows" side 2. The Towers of Faith... It give me goosebumps listening >to the lyrics. Hi Rockin' Rod, I loved Pink Floyd in the 70's, and saw The Wall at Earls's Court, but we kind of parted after The Final Cut so I am not up to date with what Waters and the rest of members have been doing. I am still play Marvin. (I watched Down to You on video last night and loved how they used Al Green's and Barry White's in the story. There was also a bit of Bowie as in Young Americans.) Another good song for the day is Ferry's version of The Times They Are-a Changing (which I probably spelled the wrong way...). I watched Psalm and noticed that he in that video clip looked younger then his then 28 years. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:20:51 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Terrible Tragedy At 11.43 -0400 1-09-12, Colleen Matan wrote: >Personally, I am finding all of the supportive, thoughtful responses to be >quite reassuring and touching. I didn't read Daniel's as anything other >than that. Thank you Colleen--you read me the right way. To me there have been a few truly American musical masterpieces, Duke Ellington, Miles Davis, Leonard Bernstein, Tamla Motown, Bob Dylan, Paul Simon comes to mind at this moment. What's Going On is my desert island disc. I could survive with just that one. That's why I shared it with you. My thoughts and prayers go out to Jads and all of you that have lost people they know. Since it is a small world, a friend of mine's son-in-law lost a friend on one of the hi-jacked planes. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:18:46 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] What's going on? At 18.08 -0500 1-09-12, Peter Toluzzi wrote: > Maria and I went out last night to see a local >band, friends of ours, just to be with folks we loved well, and the band >opened with "What's Going On", expressing sentiments that we all could >share. Daniel, thanks for the timely reprint of the lyrics. I'm new to the >Avalon community, but warmed by the obvious love amongst us all... and >indeed, in the long run, we'll have to look for love as a way through this. Peter, welcome to Avalon and thank you for the reply to my post. "People we must all come together" Marvin sings at the moment and our new puppy rests under my desk. Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:31:11 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: [AVALON] Should have been a good day. Wednesday should have been a good day, maybe even a great day. Two things happened that should have made it really good. Firstly my tickets for the Roxy Hammersmith show came through the post, that should have had me jumping with teenage glee & excitement. Secondly also in the post came my new re-mastered copy of T.Rex's Electric Warrior, now this would normally have me running to the CD player, put my new shiny disc into the machine, listening for those immortal words, "Beneath be-bop moon I'm wanna croon with you, beneath the Mambo Sun I've got to be the one with you", then I should have gone spiralling back in time to Christmas 1971, I was 11 years old and unwrapping my first 'proper' album, the excitement of playing it for the first time was devestating, my life would never be the same. I havn't played it yet, I can't somehow bring myself too, because devastation has hit my life, all our lives again, our lives will never be the same, unfortunatly for the worse. I may play Electric Warrior today but I will probably go straight to track 2, Cosmic Dancer and my feelings towards one of my most treasured memories is now tainted forever. I hope nobody finds this trite or selfish, it's the only way I can put how I feel into words, music has always been the place I go to hide when things are bad, so along with Cosmic Dancer I will probably play Beauty Queen, Rock'n'Roll Suicide & Best Years of Our Lives. Terry "O" ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:37:08 +0000 From: "julie ahmadi" Subject: [AVALON] Tragedy Just want to say my thoughts and prayers are with all US Avalonians at this terrible time. Thinking of you. Julie x _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:51:07 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: [AVALON] Q top 50 albums I see in the October edition of Q Magazine Bryan didn't manage to get an album in the top 50 readers choices from the last 15 years. Top 5 5: Oasis - Morning Glory. 4: Radiohead - Bends. 3: Nirvana - Nevermind. 2: Primal Scream - Screamadelica. 1: Radiohead - OK Computer. Also I noted a review of the Simple Minds covers album and I quote. "To call this a turkey would be unfair to the birds that share the name" Oops, no mention of the FYP cover. Terry "O" NP: Lifes a Gas, T.Rex. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:04:03 -0400 From: Heather James Subject: Re: [AVALON] At Risk? Just to calm people's minds - I wouldn't normally do this in list, but I've had a number of off-list mails ... Yes, I am in Washington, but I was not in a building at risk on Tuesday. All is well with me and my family and friends ... Thanks to all who worried and asked -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com Heather's WebGal Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ My Music Trader Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/my-boots.html >-------------------------------------------------------------------------< ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 13:19:54 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] Q top 50 albums At 11.51 +0100 1-09-13, terrypaulrigz8c wrote: >I see in the October edition of Q Magazine Bryan didn't manage to get an album >in the top 50 readers choices from the last 15 years. >Top 5 >5: Oasis - Morning Glory. >4: Radiohead - Bends. >3: Nirvana - Nevermind. >2: Primal Scream - Screamadelica. >1: Radiohead - OK Computer. A typical outcome I'd say. Not my coup of music, but who am I to judge the outcome? If The Smiths would have been a candidate they might have made the top five, >Also I noted a review of the Simple Minds covers album and I quote. >"To call this a turkey would be unfair to the birds that share the name" >Oops, no mention of the FYP cover. My wife who was a HUGE Simple Minds fan laughed and will not but the album... :-) Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:39:04 -0500 From: BILL Subject: [AVALON] Worth a look http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/World_Trade_Center.html ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 11:55:53 -0700 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Should have been a good day. I too have lost interest the simple pleasures you mentioned. Everything seems so surreal. It's difficult just to get through the work day without those terrible images going through my head. The outpouring of emotion from Roxy fans has meant a lot to me. On a positive note, the boys are alright. They were quite shaken by the events. A friend of Chris Spedding advised us that Roxy couldn't fly to Holland due to the terrible happenings and were going over (or under) the channel from England. I know they'll put on a great show, but I don't see how their hearts can be in it. Mine surely isn't. Thanks, David on 9/13/01 2:31 AM, terrypaulrigz8c at terrypaulrigz8c@supanet.com wrote: > Wednesday should have been a good day, maybe even a great day. > Two things happened that should have made it really good. > Firstly my tickets for the Roxy Hammersmith show came through the post, that > should have had me jumping with teenage glee & excitement. > Secondly also in the post came my new re-mastered copy of T.Rex's Electric > Warrior, now this would normally have me running to the CD player, put my new > shiny disc into the machine, listening for those immortal words, "Beneath > be-bop moon I'm wanna croon with you, beneath the Mambo Sun I've got to be the > one with you", then I should have gone spiralling back in time to Christmas > 1971, I was 11 years old and unwrapping my first 'proper' album, the > excitement of playing it for the first time was devestating, my life would > never be the same. > I havn't played it yet, I can't somehow bring myself too, because devastation > has hit my life, all our lives again, our lives will never be the same, > unfortunatly for the worse. I may play Electric Warrior today but I will > probably go straight to track 2, Cosmic Dancer and my feelings towards one of > my most treasured memories is now tainted forever. > > I hope nobody finds this trite or selfish, it's the only way I can put how I > feel into words, music has always been the place I go to hide when things are > bad, so along with Cosmic Dancer I will probably play Beauty Queen, > Rock'n'Roll Suicide & Best Years of Our Lives. > > Terry "O" *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:56:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Psalm" On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, C. H. Soetemann wrote: > Psalm does not appear to be a particular favourite on this list, but I like > it a lot. If this actually should be the first Ferry original, it is very > remarkable that he chose the subject of religion. I am an atheist, but I > appreciate the criticism of empty lip-service religion at the beginning of > the song. I like it a lot too, and if it is the first song Ferry wrote, it's a very curious song indeed. But I have to disagree about the first part being a criticism of anything--I hear the entire song as sincere. I don't hear anything in it which would imply anything else. I'm not exactly sure why I picked this song on Sunday, except that I thought it might spark an interesting new discussion. I have always liked its description of heaven since one of my most deepest hopes as a believer (or as a more-or-less practicing Catholic) is an end place where all wrongs are righted and where justice prevails. For that reason, a set of lyrics along that line by Neil Finn (which will be familiar to Daniel and TriTri) notes "in this world the criminals sing/but there is another world waiting" has always resonated with me. And over these last 2 days the idea of justice is weighing pretty heavily on my mind. Two dear friends immediately called me on Tuesday and asked me to come out and stay with them that evening so I wouldn't have to be alone that first night. One of them is an Episcopal priest, and he showed me the liturgy and texts for the prayer services he would led his congregation in on Wednesday and Thursday which he had spent Tuesday writing. The texts for that service were chosen on Tuesday with the fear that we in Washington felt still hanging heavily over us; but by Thursday we are less fearful, and perhaps some of us are more interested in retaliation now that our fear has lessened. We've been talking a lot, but there are no answers as to why this terrible thing happened or how it is going to play out. In that context all you can do is try to understand and to forgive and to, well, keep the faith if you are so inclined (and I fully recognize and support the decision of people who chose not to do so). The lyrics that William quoted in his eloquent post yesterday > Try out your God > Hope He will send > Kindness from strangers > On whom you depend and these > Believe in me > Once seemed a good line > Now belief in Jesus > Is faith more sublime somehow seem particularly apt, even as they offer solace but no answers. Christian also wrote: > end, but rather the threshold to paradise. I wonder whether he impersonates > a faithful religious person, as Ferry has repeatedly compared his (then) > singing to acting, hasn't he? The Musikladen version is more ironic, as, I On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, Bryan S. Richards wrote: > With regards to Psalm, I've always felt that this was Bryan having a > go at the so-called "Born Again Christian". I have absolutely no > problem with people finding religion but what I cannot cope with is > when they attempt to have us believe that what they have found can > only be found through religion. I have to disagree. I'm not sure songs have to be either be autobiographical or that the songwriter has to assume a persona if the text doesn't align with what may be known about his/her personal life. Nor do I believe the song is critical of organized religion in any way, partly because Ferry has never been interested in politics or in anything at all which would cause any sort of serious controversy. And partly because it's such a naive version of faith and the afterlife. I don't mean that in a derogatory way at all--I mean that a simple uncomplicated view of what happens after death might be a good image to recall if you are in a situation where you realize you are about to die. The very weird thing for me now that I have typed that paragraph and reread these lines > When I'm feeling all at sea > Deliverance is that distant shore > I will not be worried is that I now remembering that I once had a dream that I lived in a tiny, triangular penthouse apartment about 100 stories up. I remember this dream vividly, actually, although I'm just flashing back on it now. I got out of bed and went to open the window since I wanted an idea of how warm it was on this summer day. The air that came in from the opened window with a vista of all Manhattan was warm and humid and I sighed since it meant another hot day. Suddenly the building began shaking and I knew it was an earthquake. I also knew in that instant that the building wasn't build to an earthquake-proof code, and that I was about to die as the building collapsed. Instead of a terrifying feeling which should have woken me up screaming, I instead remember that my dream self knelt down, made the sign of the cross, and started saying the Act of Contrition as the building collapsed. I felt completely at peace, and I woke up from this dream with a sense of confusion because I wasn't screaming in fear. Perhaps the naive, simple faith in "Psalm" can be as powerful, and perhaps more comforting in the end, as the most sophisticated theology. I'm still grappling with Tuesday's events so I apologize if this rambles more than my usual fare. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:58:26 EDT From: KarenASwenson@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Should have been a good day. Hi all, Just a quick note--I can add nothing new to the sentiments being expressed. My 12-year-old is pretty freaked, so it's been a challenge to reassure her that WWIII is not imminent and that we're pretty safe in the Midwest, away from urban centers. So far I've not been able to listen to Bryan/Roxy, in spite of some nice recent acquisitions. Normally I enjoy the cynical anti-American themes of folks like Gil Scott-Heron, Phil Ochs and of course Dylan, which our terrific community radio station plays much of, but now it brings tears to my eyes and seems too hurtful. It's nice to see updates and support from folks on the list, especially those who seldom post. I'm appreciative of the URL's, too. Karen NP: John Coltrane, A Love Supreme ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:05:25 +0000 From: "C. H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Psalm" Dear Colleen (and other Avalonians interested) - - ---------- >Von: Colleen Matan >An: >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Psalm" >Datum: Don, 13. Sep 2001 19:56 Uhr > >On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, C. H. Soetemann wrote: > >> Psalm does not appear to be a particular favourite on this list, but I like >> it a lot. If this actually should be the first Ferry original, it is very >> remarkable that he chose the subject of religion. I am an atheist, but I >> appreciate the criticism of empty lip-service religion at the beginning of >> the song. > >I like it a lot too, and if it is the first song Ferry wrote, it's a very >curious song indeed. But I have to disagree about the first part being a >criticism of anything--I hear the entire song as sincere. I don't hear >anything in it which would imply anything else. > An interesting interpretation, although personally, I would still keep my reading of it (which, I am not so sure, seems also to be maintained by J. Rogan in his book on Roxy, but well that does not prove anything except that it's Rogan's view). "Try on your love / Like a new dress" "Try on your smile / Square on your face / Showing affection / Should be no disgrace" - all this, to me, at any rate, suggests religion as surface, as mere ritual, without true belief - and regarded with distance by the singer. >Christian also wrote: > >> end, but rather the threshold to paradise. I wonder whether he impersonates >> a faithful religious person, as Ferry has repeatedly compared his (then) >> singing to acting, hasn't he? The Musikladen version is more ironic, as, I > >On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, Bryan S. Richards wrote: > >> With regards to Psalm, I've always felt that this was Bryan having a >> go at the so-called "Born Again Christian". I have absolutely no >> problem with people finding religion but what I cannot cope with is >> when they attempt to have us believe that what they have found can >> only be found through religion. > >I have to disagree. I'm not sure songs have to be either be >autobiographical or that the songwriter has to assume a persona if the >text doesn't align with what may be known about his/her personal life. >Nor do I believe the song is critical of organized religion in any way, >partly because Ferry has never been interested in politics or in anything >at all which would cause any sort of serious controversy. In spite of all, I would postulate that even when you're deliberately trying to keep yourself out of the picture when writing a lyric, you cannot do so completely. You, the writer, select what phenomena to focus attention on, decide what should be left out &c. Even when writing (as I have suggested might have been the case with "Psalm") from a projected other person's point of view, it is still what you assume the other person might think - an interpretation. From an epistemological point of view (phew!) I am convinced the world exists outside of me, but my perception, my experience is the only way I can catch a glimpse of it, shaped by my biography, by the things I have lived through, "different for everyone I see" - B. Eno, "Everything Merges With The Night". As concerns Ferry, I would agree in general that he has never really aimed for political controversy, though I tend to think that e. g., to some at least, writing about the relationship with a rubber doll as in Dream Home does hold some controversy. Dark it may be, but the early Ferry has often had a rather playful go at the more sinister topics, with notable exceptions such as the wonderful "Strictly Confidential", a song that I regard as devoid of any irony - that is, at least I fail to detect any. In adition to that, aren't there topics recurring in Bryan Ferry's lyrics? Such as love lost, death, loneliness... in crowded rooms, as friends yet to meet, with nothing there to share, soul ships passing by? -- Implying they might be present in his thoughts, if not his life. No humble biographism intended, only what I wrote a few paragraphs ago. > >And partly because it's such a naive version of faith and the afterlife. >I don't mean that in a derogatory way at all--I mean that a simple >uncomplicated view of what happens after death might be a good image to >recall if you are in a situation where you realize you are about to die. I find this a very touching remark. What sometimes haunts me when lying awake in bed is - what will it be like, what could it be I realize the moment I die - is it that lights are dimmed and everything is slowly and peacefuly fading away or is it with full consciousness of this being the end? I'll never know until the moment arrives, which leaves me alive in unrest - ever since the thought crossed my mind. Here we may find a remarkable difference between believers and non-believers, I wonder? I have a slightly uneasy feeling writing these words at this moment in time - - and Colleen, I sincerely hope I haven't hurt your nor anybody elses feelings - it's just that your post made me ponder again on what "Psalm" implies for me. I, stuck in the barriers of writing in a foreign language, cannot find more eloquent words, and, as evidenced from my posts on this topic, cannot pray because, unlike the person in "Psalm" - whoever it may be, I have no belief; yet I can hope and I can regret. I wish all the best to you and every human being affected by the terrible tragedy. Best wishes, Christian ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:16:24 +0000 From: "Tara Rogers" Subject: [AVALON] Chicago Boot Hey; I just received the Chicago boot today. To Steve(?), thanks for sending it. Although, I don't remember signing up for it, but I'm not complaining :) Maybe I have a secret friend on this list... Anyway, a pleasant surprise to say the least...thank you. Tara :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:41:19 +0200 From: Stephen.Pepperrell@t-online.de (Stephen Pepperrell) Subject: Re: [AVALON] Tragedy my thoughts and prayers are with all US Avalons and citizens. I'm sorry that some leads have resulted in three people being arrested in Hamburg today, two of which studied here apparently in Harburg - where I am active in sporting circles. I feel shocked seeing the devasting pictures in tv. Let us pray, Stephen julie ahmadi schrieb: Just want to say my thoughts and prayers are with all US Avalonians at this terrible time. Thinking of you. Julie x _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:48:01 -0400 From: Rick Subject: [AVALON] Doing what I can where I can OK Fellow Avalonians, Wish me well as I am going into New York City to do my small little part for the Company I work for. I will be restoring network connections at various locations so they may continue to conduct business, get back to normalcy and help neighborhoods to recover. Viva! Rick ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:50:52 +0200 From: Stephen.Pepperrell@t-online.de (Stephen Pepperrell) Subject: Re: [AVALON] Thanks yes, his speech immediately after Lady Diana's death was also very emotional. One can question a lot of his political belief's but this man - being an important member on the world stage - truely meant his words, I am convinced of that....and rarely have I seen this from a leading politician. Stephen Louis Simone schrieb: After watching the BBC and CNN for 13 hours yesterday, I just wanted to thank Tony Blair for his comments on the tragedy yesterday. He seemed to be the only one who showed true emotion. He seemed to be the only one who truly understood the situation. His concern, gave me a bit of hope that maybe the allies can now truly unite to eradicate most terrorism from the world. Art Lied Cleveland, Ohio USA Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:51:47 +0100 From: "David Squires " Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Psalm" On 13 Sep 2001 at 15:56, Colleen Matan wrote: > I hear the entire song as sincere. I don't hear anything in it which > would imply anything else. Exactly. I think the song only works if you stop looking for irony and take it straight in its' simple and joyful celebration of faith. It works even better when you yourself have no faith, or only the distant memory of it. It works best if you sing along with it, too. David-- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:58:04 +0100 From: "David Squires " Subject: Re: [AVALON] Should have been a good day. On 13 Sep 2001 at 16:58, KarenASwenson@aol.com wrote: > Normally I enjoy the cynical anti-American themes of folks like Gil > Scott-Heron, Phil Ochs and of course Dylan, which our terrific > community radio station plays much of, but now it brings tears to my > eyes and seems too hurtful. I think it's possible to have a questioning view of the last superpower while simultaneously deploring the cynical murder of tens of thousands of people. No-one should do that to anyone. Ever. David-- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:23:47 +0000 From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?SWduYWNpbyBQZXly8w==?=" Subject: [AVALON] a few words Hello all, I haven't taken part on the list for a long while, but I didn't want to keep in silence when people on the list have been afected by the horrible happenings in the States. I won't share my reflections on it in here, all I can say is that my strongest feelings of support and afection goes with them. For the first time in my life, I went to NY in the month of august, and now I might be going again, for it seems I'm going to get an internship at NY Public Library. The few people I know in Manhattan are ok; the only thing is that they cannot go home. I am also sure that many of the people who have died were also singing along at the Roxy gigs in Ny and Washington. Terrorists think they aim at political targets, but they are only killing innocent and normal people. At least, may our care and sorrow bring some confort to those who have been affected nearer by the tragedy. _________________________________________________________________ Descargue GRATUITAMENTE MSN Explorer en http://explorer.msn.es/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:31:10 +0000 From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?SWduYWNpbyBQZXly8w==?=" Subject: [AVALON] Re: "Psalm" From my point of view, I think "Psalm" is as "pastiche" as many Roxy songs of the beginning. I suppose Mr. Ferry had a christian education, and that he also listened to many church hymns, and so on. I can't imagine Ferry singing "...then I'll walk in his garden" without irony. There is no parody, though: I think, he had enough style not to do it, he did not want to mock at religion or something like that. Did he want to sing something trascendental? I suppose he did not. Musically, Ferry has always looked at tradition, and "Psalm" can be analyzed from this point of view. As always, style with substance. I would say more, but I think it's enough, and my English has barriers that I can't pass over. _________________________________________________________________ Descargue GRATUITAMENTE MSN Explorer en http://explorer.msn.es/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:32:20 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Chicago Boot I just recieved the Chicago Boot, too! I was pretty sure that I had missed the cut. So, Thank You! Peace be with you all Andrew in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:41:07 +0000 From: "=?iso-8859-1?B?SWduYWNpbyBQZXly8w==?=" Subject: [AVALON] Bitter-sweet, Bitters end I have been listening to Bitter-sweet, realizing that "well, it seems it's one of my favourite Roxy songs", and Bitters end has always been one of them. However, it seems I'm all alone at this point, for I never heard anyone saying how good these songs were. Lyrically, I think they are of the best things Mr. Ferry has done ("And now, as you turn to leave/you try to force a smile..."). Bitters end goes exactly with the "esprit" of the first album. Both songs are also "bitter", as many other Ferry lyrics and songs. In Velvet Goldmine, which I saw months ago, both songs are performed, which was a real surprise for me. I'm sure you'll know who sang those songs, I can only say I read somewhere that Andy M helped on the recording of the songs. Is that true? Who sang these songs? _________________________________________________________________ Descargue GRATUITAMENTE MSN Explorer en http://explorer.msn.es/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 18:50:05 EDT From: Artman1@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] A tribute... Hello fellow Avalonians, Thanks to all our overseas friends for expressing their kind words and concerns for those of us who this has hit either at home, or way too close to home. Being in Atlanta, I'm certainly very grateful that this didn't have a direct impact on me or my family. However, like everyone else, my heart goes out completely to those this did have a direct impact on. I've been depressed and upset over the past few days like I never have before. In an attempt to contribute emotional support to all those who this has directly or indirectly affected, I have written the attached poem. Please feel free to pass it along if you think it's appropriate. My real goal is for the people in New York and Washington to be able to read it, so if you know anyone there you can forward it to, it would be much appreciated. America will come out of this on its feet, no matter what it takes. With love and thoughts for all, Art [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of OdetoaFlower.doc] ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:05:16 EDT From: Artman1@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] A tribute...again. Somehow, I didn't think sending the poem as an attachment would work, so here it is... Ode to a Flower by Art Rossin (A tribute to the victims of the vicious September 11 terrorist attack and their families) A vibrant flower stands disturbed. Who has stripped the pedals from your magnificent face? Fear not, beautiful flower; your beauty will shine again. Your seeds are many; fertile ground lies just beneath you. Mourn your lost pedals and celebrate those remaining. Those that are gone will not be forgotten; they will live forever in your memories; those still here will need your love; let them thrive again; Once friends, neighbors; now parted by those who could not see their brilliance. To your pedals being carried away by the wind, I say farewell; you could not say good-bye to your flower; so unfair; swept from her grasp, no warning, long before your time; she'll remember you always; you were her child. Dear flower, the sun shines above you; accept its embrace. Let your blooms spring forth again; slowly, beautifully. Though nothing may heal your scars of pedals lost, let the seeds of new life diminish their pain; someday, somehow. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:06:38 -0700 From: William Sommers Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bitter-sweet, Bitters end At 10:41 PM 9/13/01 +0000, Ignacio Peyrs wrote: > In Velvet Goldmine, which I saw months ago, both songs are performed, > which was a real surprise for me. I'm sure you'll know who sang those > songs, I can only say I read somewhere that Andy M helped on the > recording of the songs. Is that true? Who sang these songs? Welcome back, Nacho -- As best I recall: "Bitter's End" was by Paul Kimble (formerly of Grant Lee Buffalo, now solo). "Bittersweet" was by The Venus in Furs (Paul Kimble, Thom Yorke, Andy Mackay, Jon Greenwood, Bernard Butler) with Yorke on vocals. -wfs ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:38:04 From: "David Gilmour" Subject: [AVALON] Rotterdam september 13th : AMAZINGLY GREAT SHOW They played them all, 1 hour and 50 minutes setlist.They played the long setlist including More Than Thisand Every Home ! Re-make re-model, what a great opener for a show. So many great songs ! More Than This, While My Heart is Still, Every Home,Song for Europe, My Only Love, Out of the Blue, Oh Yeah,Dance Away, Love is the Drug, Tara, Jealous Guy, Avalon, Both Ends Burning. I have seen U2 this year in Arnhem and must say that RM had a bettershow. What a shame that these guys haven't made music in the last 19 years( together ). EXCELLENT !!!! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Download MSN Explorer gratis van http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 09:56:22 +1000 From: "S Clarke" Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Psalm" Like many other Avalonians, I have been listening to Psalm and the wonderful Stranded album for the past 25-ish years. This morning (prompted by the SOTW posts) is the FIRST time I have read the lyrics. (Thank you Colleen.) If I hadn't been reading the posts, I would have been astonished by the content. My Catholicism was quietly, angrily, sadly put away in a cupboard somewhere around my early teens. It's probably still there. I have always loved this song for its music, its tone, its drums, its keyboards and, most importantly, the way Bryan uses his voice. I always heard his voice as a musical instrument, joining the other instruments to making the song whole. I find it is a very joyous and soothing song. Of course, I 'heard' and recognised words and phrases here and there but obviously I wasn't looking for 'meaning' past the meaning I found in the music. It isn't as if I find words unimportant. I don't. I guess I just didn't need them to enjoy/love/be uplifted by this song. This is quite a revelation for me. Shelley ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #441 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest