From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #435 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, September 11 2001 Volume 06 : Number 435 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Starting time of the concerts , any idea ? ["David Gilmour" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 06:47:11 From: "David Gilmour" Subject: [AVALON] Starting time of the concerts , any idea ? In Rotterdam the concert time is 8 o clock.Does anyone know if RM will start to play exactly at 8 ?How was this at the other concerts ? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Download MSN Explorer gratis van http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:00:38 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Fw: SOTW: "Psalm" I don't disagree with any of Peter's views below. But I also think, on balance, that Ferry's work has revealed an existentialist or materialist viewpoint. Previous SOTW For Your Pleasure ends with the words "You don't ask why." This phrase could be an observation or even a criticism; "You actually should ask 'why' you know, it might get you somewhere...". But I've always read it as an exhortation "Don't ask why. It won't get you anywhere." This is, to me, a classic existentialist line. You can ask what, how, when... but why is a waste of time. There isn't any higher purpose to it all, etc. Also a materialist line, as in Marxism=dialectical materialism, as in a philosophical point of view. Not as in "We're living in such a materialistic culture, all we want to do is go shopping" which is a very limited use of the word. "More Than This" can be seen as in the same vein. "Show me one thing more than this... you know there's nothing more than this." However, Ferry also expresses a romantic yearning to believe there might be something more. I don't think More Than This would be such a popular cover if this didn't come across in the song. Partly the music does the job of expressing this side of the equation. But a phrase like "Show me..." is also ambiguous. Is it a challenge or a plea? "Show me... you know you can't!" or "Show me... please!" This ambiguity is something I really like in Ferry's lyrics. And Psalm is hugely ambiguous, especially when you compare the Stranded and Musikladen performances as we did in July. X Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of PeterT23 Sent: 10 September 2001 19:54 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Fw: SOTW: "Psalm" > Hey folks, great discussion, great song......... > As for Psalm (yes, we were discussing that, weren't we?): I now like to > think that in the early verses, when Bryan is confessing the challenges of > living his desired beliefs, he revealed the doubts that many of us have > experienced and discussed, the doubts we have in believing that our parent's > faith is justified by their beliefs and rituals. But what I also take from > this song is that Bryan, as truth *or* as mere exercise in songwriting, has > gone on to gloriously succede in evoking the magic and wonderment inherent > in the Christian vision of afterlife: that deepest of human longings, to > again walk in full awareness of our source in godhood and without fear of > death. Bryan captures the longing and the glory of that vision, so often > evoked in hymn and other songs. He makes me feel what a Christian person > might feel, longing for that glory, hurting again and again at the fear and > the separation from god that are our human legacy... (Of course, I think we > ALL feel these feelings, and Bryans verses express how that longing would > occur to one schooled in Christian beliefs). > > And since I'm not a Roxy historian, and know not Bryan's personal spiritual > beliefs, I can't judge whether this song is a true expression of his > emotions, or whether this song is an exercise in capturing the doubts of > that generation, in either case cast against a gorgeous evocation of a > deeply spiritual human emotion and experience. What a superb song! > > Cheers, > Peter ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #435 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest