From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #426 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, September 4 2001 Volume 06 : Number 426 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Extras for last UK shows ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] Re: [AVALON]Andy's Bookshelf ["Tim Kendrick" ] Re: [AVALON] RE: Extras [AMeyersLD@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Re:"green" ["thom.wallace" ] RE: [AVALON] Re:"green" ["Heather James" ] Re: [AVALON] CD Tree: "Berlin Beauty Queens" [Rob de la Cruz ] [AVALON] 1985 and all that jazz?? ["Cassidy, Chris J (CCS)" ] [AVALON] CD Tree Announcement ["tmoq" ] Re: [AVALON] Re:"green" ["Keith Shockley" ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy Dvds? ["Keith Shockley" ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy Dvds? ["thom.wallace" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:47:21 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Extras for last UK shows > > Dear All > > > > Just in from the Manzanera site > > > > "Phil has confirmed that there will be unspecified 'extras' at all four > > UK shows at the end of September and beginning of October. The nature of > > these 'extras' is not yet completely decided but we will bring > > details as soon as we have them. " > > > > > > A Really Good Time > Beauty Queen > Just Like you Amazona > Whirlwind (Lucy your on again, ala EJ) > Terry "O" NP= Now Playing. OOTB by System F. > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:50:34 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: [AVALON] Hammersmith Seats Anyone any idea how the Appollo tickets are selling? Terry "O" NP: Bedrock/Heaven Scent. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 19:29:59 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re:"green" >Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 19:11:56 +0100 >From: "thom.wallace" >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re:"green" >Now didums is having a little tantrum, shame on you. Be careful now we >wouldn't want you to fall out of your pram and injure yourself would we. > >Bye, bye. If you don't plan to poo poo, maybe you should get off the potty. "We woke up 24 hours later. Yes was still playing. The same song." Grant Goggans http://www.geocities.com/gmslegion _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 19:47:59 -0400 From: "Tim Kendrick" Subject: Re: [AVALON]Andy's Bookshelf >>The Proust entry should, of course, read "Remembrance of Things Past" >>And the "A la recherche du temps perdu" entry should, of course, be under >Andy MacKay. > > Which should of course more accurately be translated as " In search of lost time", as indeed the Enright revision of the Scott Moncrieff translation is. Tim P.S. However naff some of the contributions to Avalon are, isn't it nice to be on a list about a pop group in which you can mention Proust without embarrassment? But then, as Bryan has credited T.S. Eliot as a major influence on his lyrics, we pretentious folks are in good company! ( Mind you, Chris De Burgh, who I cannot help being oddly fond of, owes more than a smidgen to Robert Browning! It's true!) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 19:42:42 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: Extras In a message dated 9/3/01 2:42:45 PM, squonk@erols.com writes: << ENO!? >> John Gustafson? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 01:44:01 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re:"green" - ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Goggans To: Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re:"green" > If you don't plan to poo poo, maybe you should get off the potty. You certainly seem to need the pot more than most, especially as you come out with so much crap though I do suggest that you remove your head from your backside brfore you attempt to use it. You know if you are so desperate to post I think I'll just let you get on with it as you really ain't worth the time it takes to type a reply. Some of us have a life to get on with, I suggest you go and get one. Rather then posting the crap that you do why don't you get up of your backside and get on with building your own collection of Roxy/Ferry bootlegs rather than trying to get yourself stuff without having to put any effort in to it. Btw, I notice you describe your web site as "small and ugly", well it certainly matches your personality that's for sure. Ta, ra. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 21:10:58 -0400 From: "Heather James" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re:"green" Enough of this trash - take it to private emails - and get this garbage off the list. There is no way 400+ people need to read your little arguments - its childish, its petty, its mean spirited, and its not even a good read! -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com >--------------------------------------------------------------< > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > thom.wallace > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 8:44 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re:"green" > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Grant Goggans > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 12:29 AM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re:"green" > > > > If you don't plan to poo poo, maybe you should get off the potty. > > You certainly seem to need the pot more than most, especially as you come > out with so much crap though I do suggest that you remove your head from > your backside brfore you attempt to use it. You know if you are > so desperate > to post I think I'll just let you get on with it as you really ain't worth > the time it takes to type a reply. Some of us have a life to get > on with, I > suggest you go and get one. Rather then posting the crap that you do why > don't you get up of your backside and get on with building your own > collection of Roxy/Ferry bootlegs rather than trying to get yourself stuff > without having to put any effort in to it. Btw, I notice you describe your > web site as "small and ugly", well it certainly matches your personality > that's for sure. > > Ta, ra. > > > __________________________________________________________________ > _________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 21:14:43 -0400 From: Rob de la Cruz Subject: Re: [AVALON] CD Tree: "Berlin Beauty Queens" Hi Arnie Another Breadfruit production from Gene - awesome! Will it have the unique CD labelling? Are you handling requests from a northern neighbour in Canada? I've got US bills lying around to pay with. Thx in advance for your reply, Rob de la Cruz 32 Fourth St. Etobicoke, Ontario Canada M8V 2Y3 delacruz@interlog.com ASchulberg@aol.com wrote: > I take great pleasure in announcing a cd tree for one of Breadfruit > Obsauditory Record's latest gems: "Berlin Beauty Queens". This 2 cd set is an > audience bootleg of a November 1974 Berlin concert (anyone got the *exact* > date?) of very fine quality. > > Young Master Edwin is playing up a storm and while I personally found the > OOTB solo a tad disappointing (lots of sawwing and not quite the liftoff we > expect on this masterwork), his work on ITIS (very reminiscent of VIVA!) and > especially a violin-soaked "Re-Make/Re-Model" is more than adequate > compensation. > > This baby also contains some bonus tracks recorded at a location so secret, > even I don't know where it is. > > Requests for this item will be taken off-list for the next two weeks. If the > demand is excessive I reserve the right to ask requestors to help with the > tree. Contact me off-list at ASchulberg@aol.com for further instructions if > you are interested in obtaining this item. > > Arnie > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 21:43:37 -0400 From: David Neuhaus Subject: [AVALON] Re: Bryan's Bookshelf After the Mamouna Tour concert at the Beacon Theater in NYC in '94, I gave Bryan a signed copy of a children's book I wrote and illustrated that featured bike racing, since I knew he had a passing interest in the sport. It was titled "His Finest Hour." I doubt that Bryan ever put it on his book shelf, but I'm hoping it made it to his kid's room, since I signed it for them. Dave N. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 03:19:46 +0100 From: "Cassidy, Chris J (CCS)" Subject: [AVALON] 1985 and all that jazz?? Welcome to AVALON Peter, It's about time we had an active male on here. You don't have a twin/clone by the name of Alan do you by any chance? In answer to your questions which appear to be particularly critical of our Bryan's 1985 output; 1. I enjoyed and continue to enjoy both 2. No As regards your later question about least favourite Roxy/Ferry tracks, personally, on the subject of RM/Ferry I really try to have my proverbial glass half-full, at least 50% of the time and I would rather discuss the positive. However as you've now got me at it as well, I would say A Song for Europe (preferred Congratulations by Cliff), Mother of Pearl (prefer Ruby Tuesday) and 'Dreamhome' for starters are a complete waste of time and I do wonder why Roxy ever bothered releasing such rubbish. As for Ferry's solo stuff well I'm struggling to think of a really outstanding track. I understand however that there's some very high quality stuff waiting to be released but I bet it's no better than his previous feeble attempts over these past 30 years. Perhaps if he'd remained in teaching the Country's Education system wouldn't be in its current state. I bet he wishes now he'd have stuck that steady job with the Gas Board instead of having to rob his poor fans by charging #50 a ticket - its a national scandal! BTW. Should we ever meet, is Buckett pronounced BOUQUET or BUCKET... as in, there's a hole in my..the Robert Plant cover version that is. Best Wishes Chris >Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 22:45:32 -00 >From: "Peter Buckett" >Subject: [AVALON] 1985 and all that jazz >This is my first time on AVALON and I don't even know if this will appear! I> was wondering, does anybody else agree >with me that: >1)The Explorers (1985 LP) was more enjoyable than "Boys and Girls". >2)"Boys and Girls" is the most disappointing original RM/BF album ever? >Peter. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:25:29 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: [AVALON] What Is A CD Tree? THE CD / TAPE / VIDEO TREE GUIDELINE INTRODUCTION: Welcome to the Avalon list. This mail list is devoted to Roxy Music and related artist and bands. If you give this list a chance, I think you`ll find that it has a lot to offer in the way of Roxy Music news and items of interest. There are many music related mail lists available on the Internet but I`m sure you`ll find the Avalon list is special and different. One thing that we offer that is of interest to many people is a selection of rare and unique material not available to the mainstream public (read into this bootlegs) by way of out "CD/Video trees." The Roxy Music bootlegs distributed via our "trees" are aimed at people who love listening to Roxy, want to hear interesting, good Roxy, and groan at the hint of another damn no-end-in-sight CD box set that seem to re-hash the same old studio cuts, "b- sides", and "special mixes" over and over. Bootlegs offer a unique glimpse of the band on their natural turf....the stage. Please keep in mind that no one on the Avalon list is responsible for the existence of commercial bootlegs. We merely have access to them, enjoy them and wish to spread the music. I`ve met many people who were stunned by the brilliance of a certain song done live on a bootleg and reevaluated their whole attitude to them. In some cases, the material has been digitally cleaned up and remastered to the best of our ability. By offering these bootlegs to the list, we give everyone a chance to experience their favorite phase(s) of Roxy Music`s live performances that the record companies deny us and to spare everyone from the many shoddy, over priced Roxy CD boots circulating on the underground market. Best of all....they`re free! But first and foremost, the Avalon list is NOT just about bootlegs and anyone focusing only on this subject is missing out on some often stimulating, sometimes hilarious and most interesting people. SO, WHAT THE HELL IS A BOOTLEG? Plain and simple: A bootleg is material, weather it be a live performance or studio demos/out takes, that was never released to the public. This is NOT to be confused with "PIRATED" RECORDINGS which is a copy of an album that`s passed off as a legitimate release. The Avalon list does not condone this practice. WHAT A "TREE" IS AND HOW IT`S DONE: A "tree", as in Tape/Video/Cd "tree", is unique material relating to Roxy Music which is compiled by a person(s) and offered to the list. If enough interest is generated, then list members capable of producing CD-R and tape copies (known as "Master Holders") will contact the person with the material. A number of "masters" are made and sent to a number of "Master Holders". When the "Master Holders" are ready, they will announce it to the list and anyone interested in a copy would simply post a request. Hence, "a tree." Typically, anyone wanting a copy will need to send the appropriate number of blank media (video tapes, audio cassette tapes or CD-R) and a stamped, self addressed bubble-lined shipping package. The "Master Holder" will make your copy and send it to you. That`s it. THE RULES: 1) A CD/Tape/Video (T/V/CD) Tree can only be initiated by a person(s) possessing enough Roxy related material to put (at least) a tape together. 2) NO ONE CAN VOLUNTEER ANOTHER`S MATERIAL. 3) In NO way is a profit to be made by anyone initiating or taking part as a master holder. They will always be done for the cost of the media and shipping only. What happens outside of the list is of course your business, but please keep any mention of the Avalon list out of it. - ----------------------------------------------END--------------------------- - ------------------ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 23:36:00 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: [AVALON] CD Tree Announcement The master CDs are being sent out tomorrow for the following shows: Other Worldly Cool- Live n Sheffield 3/28/73 plus bonus track (1CD) Once Upon A Really Good Time- 6 songs from the 4/1/73 Rainbow Theater show (real good quality, too bad the rest is missing) plus 3 songs from a '75 Midnight Special performance plus an extra bonus track. (1CD) Berlin Beauty Queens- Berlin 11/5/74 plus bonus track (2CD) Taking Refuge In Pleasure- Baltimore 5/31/74 plus bonus track (2CD) Roxy Music Downs 'Outh- Live in Atlanta 7/26/01 (2CD) <----new and improved DAT copy! Some important things to remember: Send good quality blank CDs. It`s a good idea to ask the person making the CD if they prefer a particular brand. Some CD-Rs just don`t work well with some machines. Make the process easy for the person making your CDs. Send a stamped, self addressed, bubble-pac lined shipping package "inside" the package containing your blank CDs. This way all they have to do is make your CDs then drop it in a mail box. But at the very least, please don`t forget to add postage and extra money for the shipping package. This souldn`t have to cost the person making your CDs anything. With the exception of Arnie who has announced that he is handling the Berlin show, who will be handling the others will be announced when they are ready to roll. Handling the U.S. tree will be: Grant Goggans gmslegion@hotmail.com Steve Dwyer squonk@erols.com Heather James hjames@thewebgal.com Rick Savoy rcsavoy@rcn.com Carl Morstadt dantalion8@yahoo.com Arnie Schulberg ASchulberg@aol.com The U.K. Tree will be handled by David Squires david@squires.nildram.co.uk The Euro Continent trees will be handled by: Jim Vrede jimbo@zeelandnet.nl in Holland Stefan Beyer einix@gmx.net in Germany Anyone wishing to volunteer to help out should contact these guys. I`m sure they would appreciate any help offered. Plans for an Australian Tree is still in the works and should be announced soon. And last but not least, a big thanks to Simon Galloway for his generosity in sharing this material with us. He not only track these obscure recordings down, but continue searching to locate better quality/completed versions. Thanks, Simon. Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 00:21:36 -0700 From: "Keith Shockley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re:"green" - ----- Original Message ----- From: Heather James To: Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 6:10 PM Subject: RE: [AVALON] Re:"green" I'm with Heather on this one. Grant has been a valuable contributor to this list and I will reserve judgment on Thom, for now. There is too much excitement going on right now regarding Roxy to turn this forum into a series of personal attacks. Keith NP: David Bowie - Moonage Daydream > Enough of this trash - take it to private emails - and get this garbage off > the list. > There is no way 400+ people need to read your little arguments - its > childish, its petty, > its mean spirited, and its not even a good read! > > -= )-(eather =- > >--------------------< > hjames@thewebgal.com > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------< > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > > thom.wallace > > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 8:44 PM > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re:"green" > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Grant Goggans > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 12:29 AM > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re:"green" > > > > > > > If you don't plan to poo poo, maybe you should get off the potty. > > > > You certainly seem to need the pot more than most, especially as you come > > out with so much crap though I do suggest that you remove your head from > > your backside brfore you attempt to use it. You know if you are > > so desperate > > to post I think I'll just let you get on with it as you really ain't worth > > the time it takes to type a reply. Some of us have a life to get > > on with, I > > suggest you go and get one. Rather then posting the crap that you do why > > don't you get up of your backside and get on with building your own > > collection of Roxy/Ferry bootlegs rather than trying to get yourself stuff > > without having to put any effort in to it. Btw, I notice you describe your > > web site as "small and ugly", well it certainly matches your personality > > that's for sure. > > > > Ta, ra. > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > _________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 00:23:44 -0700 From: "Keith Shockley" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Dvds? - ----- Original Message ----- From: thom.wallace To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Dvds? Tom, Are you saying you don't think there will be a DVD from this tour? Keith NP: Down to the River to Pray - Allison Krauss > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Keith Shockley > To: > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 8:49 AM > Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Dvds? > > > > Are any of the Roxy Music videos besides Musikladen available on DVD? I > know > > about the Bryan Ferry DVD but was wondering about RM? > > Not so far Keith, and to be honest if they were ever going to be > economically viable it would probably have been now with the tour. As they > are no longer available new on tape I thought I'd try putting them on to VCD > as a means of protecting the tape, sure they can be bought second hand on > e-bay, but you can never be sure of what their condition will be until after > you've paidout the cash. > > Cheers, > Tom. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:01:02 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Dvds? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Shockley To: Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Dvds? > Are you saying you don't think there will be a DVD from this tour? Not at all. The observation I was making was about the marketability of the previously released titles. As far as I know the videos that have been issued so far didn't exactly create any sales records when first released, the best time for re-issue would have been during this tour to push sales. There has been talk of a DVD and/or cd from this tour, but who knows when and if either will appear. I tend to think there is more chance of a DVD as a live album could get in the way of any possible studio releases by Ferry or at a long shot Roxy. The fact that there are to be "extras" at the four UK shows might indicate that they will be used for any filming/recording, but then again who knows. If there is a stumbling block to any future Roxy releases it may well be the amount of stuff that Ferry has backed up from the last six years. Cheers, Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #426 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest