From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #424 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, September 3 2001 Volume 06 : Number 424 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Re: values of bootlegs (again) ["Grant Goggans" ] [AVALON] Wembley 1982 bootleg ["David Gilmour" ] Re: Re: [AVALON] Roxy London prices- Final words. [jmdillon@mindspring.co] [AVALON] james ward ["S Clarke" ] [AVALON] Roxy Dvds? ["Keith Shockley" ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy Dvds? ["thom.wallace" ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 16:59:01 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] Re: values of bootlegs (again) Daniel wrote: >I am going to check out what happend to these people, or do you know Grant? Clinton Heylin's _Bootleg!_ says that Swedish authorities busted Stoned Records in 1977 (I think), but doesn't have many more details than that. "We woke up 24 hours later. Yes was still playing. The same song." Grant Goggans http://www.geocities.com/gmslegion _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:01:52 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: Questions answered/asked?????? Kamen scored films such as Robin Hood prince of theives (aaaaragh! he had a hand in writing Everything I do!) He also did the original Die Hard, Highlander, Lethal Weapon and Terry Gilliam's Brazil. He worked with Clapton on the TV show Edge of Darkness and recently scored 'X-Men.' I reecommend his compilation 'The Michael Kamen soundtrack album' which features Kate Bush singing 'Brazil.' Jonathan x In a message dated 02/09/01 18:39:04 GMT Daylight Time, terrypaulrigz8c@supanet.com writes: > Silly questions perhaps but who is Michael Kamen? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 17:28:37 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Roxy London prices >Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 10:59:11 +0100 >From: "thom.wallace" >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy London prices >The big difference about what was being posted from the states was the >underlying theme of "we're Americans, we're used to 2 hour plus shows so >they should play 2 hour shows in America". I sympathise with the folk who >went to truncated shows and felt let down, I would have felt the same way, >however I didn't like the "we're American we deserve more than anybody >else" >feel that the earlier posts had, it may not have been typed out, but there >was an underlying feel to those posts. Oh, please. Underlying theme? Come on. In the first place, if anyone *did* have the expectation that Roxy was "supposed" to play a three-hour concert for them, then they are insane. The only thing anyone said back then was that Americans are used to lengthy concerts, which is a pretty factual statement, but one which dragged your grumpy ass off its perch and sent you flaming. In the second place, if you have the right to look for underlying themes in whatever goes on this list and make broad, sweeping, generalizations about them based on your own wacked-out perception, then everyone else has the right to do the same to you. Therefore, should anyone perceive you as a crotchety old Albert Steptoe/Fred Sanford soundalike who brags about and hoards his unreleased Roxy Music recordings, then you don't have a lick of business complaining. >Btw, at which point did I complain about the price of the Hammersmith >tickets? At which point did I say you did? In fact, I clearly said "if any American makes a comment about ticket prices or the amount of money we've spent, we are COMplaining. If you make the same points, you're only EXplaining." Or, if you will, a sentiment like "Americans are paying more than the English fans for a shorter set" was enough to justify your mid-July diatribe. The difference is, I *know* I'm wrong for attacking you. You, sadly, don't have a lick of understanding that you were wrong for attacking everyone that you did in July, none of whom did anything wrong then, and none of whom were complaining, and none of whom deserved to be flamed by you for the crime of making honest observations. It has been a pleasure to step into your quickly-attacking shoes and use this opportunity to show people how you work. You can take the last word if you want it this time, because the list is sick enough of both of us, I'm sure. If you want my work here to be done, I'm glad to walk away from this one. "We woke up 24 hours later. Yes was still playing. The same song." Grant Goggans http://www.geocities.com/gmslegion _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 18:01:42 EDT From: KRNCHSE@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Horsey subject. In a message dated 9/2/1 5:04:52 PM, you wrote: <> I believe the picture is in Bryans studio,(The green room)as he was interviewed in at some time?I remember him turning to it and referencing it.I found it very odd at first,with the big ,sad looking animal,and the direction of the wind etc.,but I have grown to like it.Apart from that cover, the rest of the artwork/imagery in the Album,as i've mentioned before, stands out as my personal favourite.Any more info on the Photographer (unused stills?) J O'B? Regards, DM well i'm drunk today........ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 23:35:38 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Roxy London prices- Final words. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Goggans To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 10:28 PM Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Roxy London prices > Therefore, should anyone perceive you as a > crotchety old Albert Steptoe/Fred Sanford soundalike who brags about and > hoards his unreleased Roxy Music recordings, then you don't have a lick of > business complaining. Sounds like sour grapes to me, but to set the record straight any recordings I have came through honest trades some from within this list and some from outwith this list. Anyway why does it bug you so much what someone else has or hasn't got in their collection. Btw, by deffinition all audience recordings are unreleased because they were not officially recorded in the first place. I don't think I mention the contents of my Roxy/Ferry collection anymore than anyone else on the list through their now playing comments at the end of posts. I have been lucky enough in the past to have heard some of Ferry's unreleased material and I have posted what ever information I have on these to the list. That isn't bragging, that's sharing information with other list members. If people don't want to know that's fine by me, I'll cease to post any information that comes my way. Me thinks you have at last exposed what your gripe really is and beleive me that green tinge is certainly showing through. > If you want my work here to be done, > I'm glad to walk away from this one. Oh how my heart bleeds for the poor martyr having to make such sacrafices for the list by making snide comments about people over the internet, you really are putting yourself on the line here. Don't you think you're taking your place and inded my place on this list far to seriously. Untill the next time, Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 00:45:00 +0200 From: Mats Andersson Subject: [AVALON] Londonprices-list. Wouldn't it better to start a new list with the name LondonPrices ?? :-) :-) Mats ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 00:06:38 From: "David Gilmour" Subject: [AVALON] Wembley 1982 bootleg Is this a good quality recording ?What are the best recordings ( quality sound ) from the 1982 world tour ?Where can one obtain these bootlegs ? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Download MSN Explorer gratis van http://explorer.msn.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 20:45:29 -0400 From: "Heather James" Subject: RE: Re: [AVALON] Roxy London prices- Final words. You ought to do your drinking AFTER you post to the list, Thom ... -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com MCC NOVA's Website: http://www.mccnova.com/ MCC MidAtlantic District: http://www.mcc-midatl.org Heather's WebGal Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >--------------------------------------------------------------< > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > thom.wallace > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 6:36 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Roxy London prices- Final words. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Grant Goggans > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Roxy London prices > > > > Therefore, should anyone perceive you as a > > crotchety old Albert Steptoe/Fred Sanford soundalike who brags about and > > hoards his unreleased Roxy Music recordings, then you don't > have a lick of > > business complaining. > > Sounds like sour grapes to me, but to set the record straight any > recordings > I have came through honest trades some from within this list and some from > outwith this list. Anyway why does it bug you so much what > someone else has > or hasn't got in their collection. Btw, by deffinition all audience > recordings are unreleased because they were not officially recorded in the > first place. > > I don't think I mention the contents of my Roxy/Ferry collection anymore > than anyone else on the list through their now playing comments at the end > of posts. I have been lucky enough in the past to have heard some > of Ferry's > unreleased material and I have posted what ever information I > have on these > to the list. That isn't bragging, that's sharing information with > other list > members. If people don't want to know that's fine by me, I'll > cease to post > any information that comes my way. Me thinks you have at last exposed what > your gripe really is and beleive me that green tinge is certainly showing > through. > > > If you want my work here to be done, > > I'm glad to walk away from this one. > > Oh how my heart bleeds for the poor martyr having to make such sacrafices > for the list by making snide comments about people over the internet, you > really are putting yourself on the line here. Don't you think > you're taking > your place and inded my place on this list far to seriously. > > Untill the next time, > Tom. > > > __________________________________________________________________ > _________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 21:31:31 -0700 From: "Keith Shockley" Subject: [AVALON] The Strokes Ok, I have been hearing great things about The Strokes on other lists and now they appear on the most holy of all lists - Rust. So who has heard them and are they as good as everyone says? Why not? LyleGorch ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 21:41:15 -0400 From: jmdillon@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Roxy London prices- Final words. Now, now, now. Ladies and gentlemen. Can I get anyone some more coffee? Black, with maybe a little "more" sugar this time. I think right now what we could use is some cake. There is no American agenda. No one should ever have expected two hour plus shows, anywhere. Why? Because Roxy were never known for that in the past. This finger pointing about we are paying for what you saw is rubbish as well. We all paid for what "we" saw. And what we just saw what may quite possibly be the best Roxy Tour ever. More importantly, because of the inclusion of additional dates, many will have a chance to see them one or possibly two more times before that last curtain call. As Chris most apply put it in the very beginning. "........lets face it, if Roxy were playing only one gig, at the North Pole, many of us would be getting measured for snow shoes right now." Thankfully enough, as the line goes "The one thing we share...is an ideal of beauty." All the best John Dillon - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather James" To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 8:45 PM Subject: RE: Re: [AVALON] Roxy London prices- Final words. > You ought to do your drinking AFTER you post to the list, Thom ... > > -= )-(eather =- > >--------------------< > hjames@thewebgal.com > > > MCC NOVA's Website: http://www.mccnova.com/ > MCC MidAtlantic District: http://www.mcc-midatl.org > Heather's WebGal Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ > My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------< > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > > thom.wallace > > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 6:36 PM > > To: avalon@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Roxy London prices- Final words. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Grant Goggans > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 10:28 PM > > Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Roxy London prices > > > > > > > Therefore, should anyone perceive you as a > > > crotchety old Albert Steptoe/Fred Sanford soundalike who brags about and > > > hoards his unreleased Roxy Music recordings, then you don't > > have a lick of > > > business complaining. > > > > Sounds like sour grapes to me, but to set the record straight any > > recordings > > I have came through honest trades some from within this list and some from > > outwith this list. Anyway why does it bug you so much what > > someone else has > > or hasn't got in their collection. Btw, by deffinition all audience > > recordings are unreleased because they were not officially recorded in the > > first place. > > > > I don't think I mention the contents of my Roxy/Ferry collection anymore > > than anyone else on the list through their now playing comments at the end > > of posts. I have been lucky enough in the past to have heard some > > of Ferry's > > unreleased material and I have posted what ever information I > > have on these > > to the list. That isn't bragging, that's sharing information with > > other list > > members. If people don't want to know that's fine by me, I'll > > cease to post > > any information that comes my way. Me thinks you have at last exposed what > > your gripe really is and beleive me that green tinge is certainly showing > > through. > > > > > If you want my work here to be done, > > > I'm glad to walk away from this one. > > > > Oh how my heart bleeds for the poor martyr having to make such sacrafices > > for the list by making snide comments about people over the internet, you > > really are putting yourself on the line here. Don't you think > > you're taking > > your place and inded my place on this list far to seriously. > > > > Untill the next time, > > Tom. > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > _________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 12:22:01 +1000 From: "S Clarke" Subject: [AVALON] james ward Some info at www.speel.demon.co.uk/artists2/ward.htm Shelley in Canberra ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 00:49:14 -0700 From: "Keith Shockley" Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Dvds? Are any of the Roxy Music videos besides Musikladen available on DVD? I know about the Bryan Ferry DVD but was wondering about RM? Keith ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 07:32:40 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy Dvds? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Shockley To: Sent: Monday, September 03, 2001 8:49 AM Subject: [AVALON] Roxy Dvds? > Are any of the Roxy Music videos besides Musikladen available on DVD? I know > about the Bryan Ferry DVD but was wondering about RM? Not so far Keith, and to be honest if they were ever going to be economically viable it would probably have been now with the tour. As they are no longer available new on tape I thought I'd try putting them on to VCD as a means of protecting the tape, sure they can be bought second hand on e-bay, but you can never be sure of what their condition will be until after you've paidout the cash. Cheers, Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #424 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest