From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #414 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Wednesday, August 29 2001 Volume 06 : Number 414 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Casanova" [Richard Evans ] [AVALON] Boys and Girls [Richard Evans ] Re: [AVALON] Rick Marotta [David Firmin ] [AVALON] Minneapolis 2001 ["David Markfield" ] Re: [AVALON] Rick Marotta [jmdillon@mindspring.com] [AVALON] 83 concerts, WHERE? ["Joan" ] Re: [AVALON] NO GRAPHICS ALLOWED! [AMeyersLD@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] 83 concerts, WHERE? [ASchulberg@aol.com] [AVALON] Mean ol' Thom ["Heather James" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: To Like ,Dislike [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Any video from BF tour 94/95? [stevesiren2 ] Re: [AVALON] For Your Pleasure ["The Siren" ] RE: Re: [AVALON] Re:To Turn You On ["David Markfield" ] Re: [AVALON] Re:To Turn You On [Mats Andersson ] Re: [AVALON] Rick Marotta [Richard Evans ] Re: [AVALON] Rick Marotta [Richard Evans ] Re: [AVALON] Re:To Turn You On [Richard Evans ] Re: [AVALON] Re:To Turn You On [Richard Evans ] Re: [AVALON] Mean ol' Thom ["thom.wallace" ] Re: [AVALON] 83 concerts, WHERE? [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] All your fears, now they seem so far away... [Navin1Verma@aol.co] Re: [AVALON] 83 concerts, WHERE? ["Joan" ] Re: [AVALON] Re:To Turn You On ["thom.wallace" ] Re: [AVALON] Andy Newmark [Mats Andersson ] Re: [AVALON] Andy Newmark ["Joan" ] Re: [AVALON] Re:To Turn You On [David Firmin ] Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care... ["Rod LeCloux" ] Re: Re: [AVALON] Re:To Turn You On ["Keith Shockley" ] Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care... [David Firmin ] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:56:15 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Casanova" For me Casanova in its CL sums up the musical power of the band in three minutes. Every musician is on top form. The musical tension between guitar bass drums sax and keyboards is something I've not heard since. Each instrument sounds as though its straining at the leash. Each time it seems to have broken free its pulled back by another which takes over. The solo version is a different beast all together - smooth no tension. The two sum up the two types of Casanova (both sexes) out there - the smooth one whose done the deed before you notice and the dangerous one does exactly what it says on the packet. They are both bad for you but you just can't resist. being a bloke perhaps our ladies can help me out with the interpretation. I fall into both camps - allegedly. Cheers Richard Colleen Matan wrote: > OK, how about "Casanova"--both versions from _Country Life_ and _Let's > Stick Together_? > > As before the discussion is open to anything related to the song, and > these are only suggestions: > > love it? hate it? > lyrics/music > it changed my life > live vs. studio version(s) (if applicable) > the video (if any) > that reminds me... > > Casanova (Ferry) > > You the hero > so many times you've loved > and didn't linger > Now my finger points at you > another loser > > You an island > on your own complete > in every detail > Monumental a precious jewel > or just a fool > > Innovator > it's in your mind and blood > I watch it simmer > I see you're courting more despair > no hope > not a glimmer > > Now you're nothing > but second hand in glove with second rate now > Now you're flirting with heroin > or is it cocaine? > > Casanova is that your name? > or do you live there? > I know my place is here with you > tonight > but not together > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 20:06:17 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: [AVALON] Boys and Girls Boys and Girls is half a decent album. IMHO too much musical self indulgence with only 60% of the songs being up to the normal standard. Side One is infinitely better than side two Cheers Richard ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:22:30 -0700 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rick Marotta What are you saying? All the drumming on the album is equal to a drum-machine. I don't blame the drummer, it has to do with the production and material. Avalon even sounded out of place at the 2 LA shows. Paul couldn't even save that turkey. I'm sure he'd agree. Marotta sounded great on BSB, as did Waddy Wachtel. Question: has anyone heard Keith Richards and the X-Pensive Winos? Waddy Wachtel was in that band. I'd like to hear him and Richards together. I was wondering if it was any good. Thanks, David > Rick is a great drummer although I do prefer AN's work on Avalon. As much I as > I love TTYO I just work out why the Avalon band didn't re-record it. Musically *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 12:29:55 -0700 From: "David Markfield" Subject: [AVALON] Minneapolis 2001 How does one go about getting a copy of this show? Thanks Dave ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:09:01 -0400 From: jmdillon@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rick Marotta Hello every one. I trust we are well. Nice to be back among the postings. Quite a tour*! More on that later.....but for the moment................. No. What Richard "may" be saying is that the particular song: "To Turn You On" was recorded during a different time frame and or recording session from the rest of the Avalon album. How that be Joe? Well if you check the album credits you will find that is the only song that has only one Roxy member on it, Bryan himself. It is my guess that the song was recorded separately by Bryan before the actual / true Avalon sessions began and then added later. John / Chris / Johnny...? It has been wondered and conjectured over the years why Bryan, with the core group of musicians whom comprise the bulk of the actual recording of Avalon, did not re record this track for a smoother fit into the overall sound. All the best John Dillon * Hey, did I happen to mention what a great tour this is! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Firmin" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rick Marotta > What are you saying? > > All the drumming on the album is equal to a drum-machine. I don't blame the > drummer, it has to do with the production and material. Avalon even sounded > out of place at the 2 LA shows. Paul couldn't even save that turkey. I'm > sure he'd agree. > > Marotta sounded great on BSB, as did Waddy Wachtel. > > Question: has anyone heard Keith Richards and the X-Pensive Winos? Waddy > Wachtel was in that band. I'd like to hear him and Richards together. I was > wondering if it was any good. > > Thanks, > David > > > > Rick is a great drummer although I do prefer AN's work on Avalon. As much I as > > I love TTYO I just work out why the Avalon band didn't re-record it. Musically > > *** > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:27:10 +0200 From: "Joan" Subject: [AVALON] 83 concerts, WHERE? Hi everybody After trying desesperately to get any boot from that era I have to surrender I think it's sad to be in a list like this and to be impossible to get a bootleg, even PAYING for a copy. Well, at least is what I think, what do you think about it? I think if we all love Roxy Music we won't try to win money with anything and we will try to share with other fans what we have got in our collection, don't we? I'm in other lists and a lots of boots fly everyday by mail and everybody is happy. Joan ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:29:56 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] NO GRAPHICS ALLOWED! In a message dated 8/29/01 9:40:22 AM, hjames@thewebgal.com writes: << A BASIC FACT of the Avalon List You cannot send attachments into the list ... >> You are right! My sincere apologies. Sorry for any problems this created. Andrew in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:38:36 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] 83 concerts, WHERE? In a message dated 08/29/2001 4:23:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, joanman@arrakis.es writes: > After trying desesperately to get any boot from that era I have to surrender > I think it's sad to be in a list like this and to be impossible to get a > bootleg, > even PAYING for a copy. > > Well, at least is what I think, what do you think about it? > I think if we all love Roxy Music we won't try to win money with anything > and we will try to share with other fans what we have got in our collection, > don't we? > > I'm in other lists and a lots of boots fly everyday by mail and everybody is > Gee, Joan, I think you're jumping the gun. If you've been reading the list, you'll see PLENTY of boots being treed. Grant just offered to send out copies of a '76 show which will be treed and there are several (maybe six or seven?) 2001 boots which are being treed. People are constantly offering goodies to other members of the list. Seems to me in prior posts Gene and Simon pointed the way to some '83 era boots that they know of but that doesn't mean they have them. In any event, I think it's incorrect to cast aspersions on the list just because your Holy Grail hasn't turned up. Arnie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:51:33 -0400 From: "Heather James" Subject: [AVALON] Mean ol' Thom ACTUALLY, it means your tastes aren't the same as those "million of young girls" - and probably not the same as the baseball fans either. I don't like Bay City Rollers and I'm not a baseball fan either - and you know what that REALLY means? It doesn't automatically mean that are crap, it simply means that I don't have mainstream tastes. You know, there is a way of looking at the world without dissing anyone that isn't you or doesn't think like you, and you apparently still haven't figured that out, Thom. A pity, you know, living life as a mean-spirited bitter sod can't be that pleasant. But listening to your mean-spirited rants isn't pleasant either. -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com MCC NOVA's Website: http://www.mccnova.com/ MCC MidAtlantic District: http://www.mcc-midatl.org Heather's WebGal Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >--------------------------------------------------------------< > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > thom.wallace > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:22 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: HBO Live > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ann Marie Shaw > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 10:18 AM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: HBO Live > > > > Enlighten us oh grumpy one, tell us which baseball game that you went to > see > > that you saw something about the match that the other 69,999 > people didn't > > see and foolishly went home thinking they enjoyed the game. > > They show US baseball late at night in the UK, it's really boring > stuff. So > what if 69,999 people went to see a glorified game of rounders, > btw because > they enjoyed it does not really give an indication of whether it's really > any good or not. Millions of young girls bought records by the Bay City > Rollers, but the truth was they were crap. Sadly my dear quantity doesn't > always equal quality. > > Bye, bye. > > > __________________________________________________________________ > _________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:15:33 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: To Like ,Dislike In a message dated 08/29/2001 2:44:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MarlanaK@webtv.net writes: > Now, does anyone have or know of > anything available from the Mamouna tour ( an entire concert )? > Sure, Marlana, there's stuff available, particularly a couple of boots with Robin Trower on guitar. I think I have two, the better of which was a radio concert, as I recall. Arnie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:18:41 +0100 From: stevesiren2 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Any video from BF tour 94/95? Chris, You are the biggest tease since Josephine Baker, tell us the truth! Steve Chris Turner wrote: > It's funny you should say that...watch this space.... > > Chris > > > > > Is there any video from the 94/95 BF tour? > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:43:12 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Fan covers In a message dated 08/27/2001 8:27:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, shockley@usit.net writes: > I'll do the "woo hoo"'s Ferry seems to howl after every other song on the > current tour. Or I could introduce the second song by saying "This is not > Roxy Music!" > > Spot on! Arnie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 17:49:46 EDT From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Re:To Turn You On In a message dated 29/08/01 21:06:59 GMT Daylight Time, jmdillon@mindspring.com writes: << It is my guess that the song was recorded separately by Bryan before the actual / true Avalon sessions began and then added later. John / Chris / Johnny...? >> Check out this page, as it contains all the details and more on To Turn You On. http://www.vivaroxymusic.com:8080/802 Regards John O'Brien ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:52:15 +0200 From: "Stefan Thomsen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Any video from BF tour 94/95? Yes Chris, confess or we will poke you with the soft cussion!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "stevesiren2" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Any video from BF tour 94/95? > Chris, > You are the biggest tease since Josephine Baker, tell us the truth! > Steve > > Chris Turner wrote: > > > It's funny you should say that...watch this space.... > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > Is there any video from the 94/95 BF tour? > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 00:03:01 +0200 From: Mats Andersson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re:To Turn You On It's really a shame that To Turn You On took place on Avalon. It makes a superduper-album feels lowbudget. Why take a Bryan Ferry-solosong on a Roxyalbum? VERY disturbing. Mats ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:51:18 +0100 From: "The Siren" Subject: Re: [AVALON] For Your Pleasure KB Porter wrote: ....> Using Tara as the basis of my analysis of FYP, I feel this song is about > destiny, or fate. > > I know there's been a lot of debate about this topic, but here are a couple of belated comments anyway. I really like the odd mega analysis here and there on the list. Maybe some are fanciful, and others not. Personally, I reckon BF agonises over lyrics and there is much to them - but that may be "in my mind". However, this is one of the reasons I like to read the list. I prefer an interpretation of a lyric to the low down of Jerry's latest play at the theatre, but appreciate that for some, predilections are different. BTW, I read somewhere that FYP is influenced by "Heaven can Wait". Fits. Robert ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 15:18:57 -0700 From: "David Markfield" Subject: RE: Re: [AVALON] Re:To Turn You On now this seems silly to me while it was a ferry solo song that became a roxy song - ferry, mackay and manzanera have all written songs for solo that could easily have been roxy and just as well have written roxy stuff that they could have used solo. the song certainly fits the feel of avalon era roxy. seems to me you could just as easily say that since bryan wrote mother of pearl by himself that he should have kept it off stranded and used it for a solo project. dave >--- Original Message --- >From: Mats Andersson >To: avalon@smoe.org >Date: 8/29/01 3:03:01 PM > >It's really a shame that To Turn You On took place >on Avalon. It makes a superduper-album feels lowbudget. >Why take a Bryan Ferry-solosong on a Roxyalbum? > >VERY disturbing. > > >Mats > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 00:29:08 +0200 From: Mats Andersson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re:To Turn You On > seems to me you could just as easily say that since bryan wrote > mother of pearl by himself that he should have kept it off stranded > and used it for a solo project. > > dave Well, you can take a song, for example The Way You do, wich is written by Bryan Ferry and recorded by Frida. Put it on Avalon and suddenly it is Roxy Music. Bryan Ferry is the only Roxymember on To turn you on. It's not enough to call it a Roxy Music-song. Mats ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:30:28 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rick Marotta What I'm saying is AN's drumming on Avalon was perfect for that album and that album only. Make no mistake TGPT will always be the Roxy drummer. Its Flesh and Blood that has the drum machine drumming. At least Avalon has some decent drumming chops even if TGPT could have done better. By the way Waddy and Keith do sound great together Cheers richard David Firmin wrote: > What are you saying? > > All the drumming on the album is equal to a drum-machine. I don't blame the > drummer, it has to do with the production and material. Avalon even sounded > out of place at the 2 LA shows. Paul couldn't even save that turkey. I'm > sure he'd agree. > > Marotta sounded great on BSB, as did Waddy Wachtel. > > Question: has anyone heard Keith Richards and the X-Pensive Winos? Waddy > Wachtel was in that band. I'd like to hear him and Richards together. I was > wondering if it was any good. > > Thanks, > David > > > Rick is a great drummer although I do prefer AN's work on Avalon. As much I as > > I love TTYO I just work out why the Avalon band didn't re-record it. Musically > > *** > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:31:50 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rick Marotta Thanks John - spot on Cheers richard jmdillon@mindspring.com wrote: > Hello every one. > I trust we are well. Nice to be back among the postings. Quite a tour*! > More on that later.....but for the moment................. > > No. What Richard "may" be saying is that the particular song: "To Turn You > On" was recorded during a different time frame and or recording session from > the rest of the Avalon album. > > How that be Joe? > > Well if you check the album credits you will find that is the only song that > has only one Roxy member on it, Bryan himself. > > It is my guess that the song was recorded separately by Bryan before the > actual / true Avalon sessions began and then added later. > John / Chris / Johnny...? > It has been wondered and conjectured over the years why Bryan, with the core > group of musicians whom comprise the bulk of the actual recording of Avalon, > did not re record this track for a smoother fit into the overall sound. > > All the best > > John Dillon > > * Hey, did I happen to mention what a great tour this is! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Firmin" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Rick Marotta > > > What are you saying? > > > > All the drumming on the album is equal to a drum-machine. I don't blame > the > > drummer, it has to do with the production and material. Avalon even > sounded > > out of place at the 2 LA shows. Paul couldn't even save that turkey. I'm > > sure he'd agree. > > > > Marotta sounded great on BSB, as did Waddy Wachtel. > > > > Question: has anyone heard Keith Richards and the X-Pensive Winos? Waddy > > Wachtel was in that band. I'd like to hear him and Richards together. I > was > > wondering if it was any good. > > > > Thanks, > > David > > > > > > > Rick is a great drummer although I do prefer AN's work on Avalon. As > much I as > > > I love TTYO I just work out why the Avalon band didn't re-record it. > Musically > > > > *** > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:33:30 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re:To Turn You On Absolutely Cheers richard Mats Andersson wrote: > It's really a shame that To Turn You On took place > on Avalon. It makes a superduper-album feels lowbudget. > Why take a Bryan Ferry-solosong on a Roxyalbum? > > VERY disturbing. > > Mats > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:37:30 +0100 From: Richard Evans Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re:To Turn You On No that's not the point. The point is Ferry recorded it by himself with some studio hacks without Andy or Phil. That makes it a solo offering. Then it gets shoved on Avalon the smoothest and most professional album the band recorded and its amateur/demo quality shows up straight away. The Avalon studio band was in place, the sound and the sonics were there and the feel was there. Its such a great song - why not do it in the Avalon style rather than leave it sounding like a B side Cheers Richard David Markfield wrote: > now this seems silly to me > > while it was a ferry solo song that became a roxy song - ferry, > mackay and manzanera have all written songs for solo that could > easily have been roxy and just as well have written roxy stuff > that they could have used solo. > > the song certainly fits the feel of avalon era roxy. > > seems to me you could just as easily say that since bryan wrote > mother of pearl by himself that he should have kept it off stranded > and used it for a solo project. > > dave > >--- Original Message --- > >From: Mats Andersson > >To: avalon@smoe.org > >Date: 8/29/01 3:03:01 PM > > > > >It's really a shame that To Turn You On took place > >on Avalon. It makes a superduper-album feels lowbudget. > >Why take a Bryan Ferry-solosong on a Roxyalbum? > > > >VERY disturbing. > > > > > >Mats > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >The subliminable footer says: > >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > >unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:43:50 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Mean ol' Thom - ----- Original Message ----- From: Heather James To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 9:51 PM Subject: [AVALON] Mean ol' Thom > You know, there is a way of looking at the world without dissing anyone > that isn't you > or doesn't think like you, and you apparently still haven't figured that > out, Thom. A pity, you know, living life as a mean-spirited bitter sod can't > be that pleasant. But listening to your mean-spirited rants isn't pleasant > either. Funny how the ones who scream the loudest about "dissing" are always the ones to start the name calling. Then again maybe it isn't, if you don't like what I post just stop reading them, but cut the holier than thou voice of the free routine. If I were the "mean-spirited bitter sod" that you would paint me I'm sure I could launch an equally personal counter attack at you, but you know I won't sink to that level. Bye, bye. Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:45:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] 83 concerts, WHERE? On Wed, 29 Aug 2001, Joan wrote: > I'm in other lists and a lots of boots fly everyday by mail and > everybody is happy. Well, it is said that you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:51:52 EDT From: Navin1Verma@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] All your fears, now they seem so far away... I'm in interested in the listening habits of other Avalonians - some fall into the camp of getting to Roxy/BF through the art-rock/punk that was inspired by them e.g. Ultravox!, Wire, PIL, Joy Division. Others who listened to prog rock - e.g. King Crimson, ELP, Yes, Genesis. I seem to have a hard time convincing many of my mates (21-35) of Roxy's/Eno's genius. Also, much writing of the glam rock era seems to ignore their legacy! ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 00:54:51 +0200 From: "Joan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] 83 concerts, WHERE? don't get me wrong, I was just thrilled when I discovered there are a lot of bootlegs from that era and asked a lot of people to try to get a copy. I offer to swap for other bands' records (or the Psalm VCD, the only Roxy rare thing i have) , and I haven't received answer from almost nobody That's all ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 00:08:20 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re:To Turn You On - ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Evans To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re:To Turn You On > Then it gets shoved on Avalon the smoothest and most professional album the band > recorded and its amateur/demo quality shows up straight away. > > The Avalon studio band was in place, the sound and the sonics were there and the > feel was there. Its such a great song - why not do it in the Avalon style rather > than leave it sounding like a B side Personally I think it is one of the best tracks on Avalon. The simplicity of the production seems to complement what is a straight forward lyric and doesn't over power a fine vocal track. If it had been given the "Avalon style" it would have ruined the very thing that makes the track so enjoyable. Avalon may well have been the smoothest and most professional album the band recorded, but it also makes it one of the weakest and most bland. I remember during the Avalon tour talking to quite a lot of the fans who hung around the alley beside the old Apollo in Glasgow. The general view was that the album had a real plush production, but lacked everything that made Roxy albums so special and certainly wasn't what the fans wanted from the band. A feeling that tended to be followed through by the way the tour was looked on as well, very plush, but no energy. The fact that the track only featured Ferry was not missed, but it was a song that was well liked since it first appeared on the b-side of Jealous Guy. Over the years I've found that I played this track and Tara a lot more than I actially played Avalon as an album. Tom. n.p. Tara - 22/06/01 ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 16:05:21 -0700 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Andy Newmark I'm not saying I dislike Andy Newmark. Listen to him on Young Americans. He has a real live feel on that album. I don9t recall what live stuff Newmark did with Roxy. I know I sold Heart Still Beating, because it didn9t sound at all like Roxy Music. on 8/29/01 3:30 PM, Richard Evans at evansr@cableinet.co.uk wrote: > What I'm saying is AN's drumming on Avalon was perfect for that album and that > album > only. Make no mistake TGPT will always be the Roxy drummer. > > Its Flesh and Blood that has the drum machine drumming. At least Avalon has > some > decent drumming chops even if TGPT could have done better. > > By the way Waddy and Keith do sound great together > > Cheers > > richard > David Firmin wrote: > >> What are you saying? >> >> All the drumming on the album is equal to a drum-machine. I don't blame the >> drummer, it has to do with the production and material. Avalon even sounded >> out of place at the 2 LA shows. Paul couldn't even save that turkey. I'm >> sure he'd agree. >> >> Marotta sounded great on BSB, as did Waddy Wachtel. >> >> Question: has anyone heard Keith Richards and the X-Pensive Winos? Waddy >> Wachtel was in that band. I'd like to hear him and Richards together. I was >> wondering if it was any good. >> >> Thanks, >> David >> >>> Rick is a great drummer although I do prefer AN's work on Avalon. As much I >>> as >>> I love TTYO I just work out why the Avalon band didn't re-record it. >>> Musically >> >> *** >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> The subliminable footer says: >> To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >> unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 01:21:57 +0200 From: Mats Andersson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Andy Newmark David Firmin wrote: > > I'm not saying I dislike Andy Newmark. Listen to him on Young Americans. He > has a real live feel on that album. > > I don9t recall what live stuff Newmark did with Roxy. I know I sold Heart > Still Beating, because it didn9t sound at all like Roxy Music. > Andy Newmark did a very good job in 1980 Flesh+Blood-tour. I think he did a good job on the Avalon-tour too (look and listen to The High Road-video, but you're right, the old Roxyfeel was lost somewhere. But it's hard to believe that it was Newmarks fault. I think they wanted the show to be more like a soulparty. Mats ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 01:24:48 +0200 From: "Joan" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Andy Newmark > I'm not saying I dislike Andy Newmark. Listen to him on Young Americans. He > has a real live feel on that album. > I don9t recall what live stuff Newmark did with Roxy. I know I sold Heart > Still Beating, because it didn9t sound at all like Roxy Music. he is a real maestro, that's for sure He played in the Avalon album and all the 1982-1983 tour, at least He has also played with Eric Clapton and a lot of people ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 18:23:06 -0700 (PDT) From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re:To Turn You On Funny, because those are the tracks I enjoyed most. Take a Chance With Me was another. David - --- "thom.wallace" wrote: > Personally I think it is one of the best tracks on Avalon. > Over the years I've found that I played this track and Tara a lot more than I actially played Avalon as an album. Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:05:52 -0500 From: "Rod LeCloux" Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care... From: David Firmin > ..I wouldn't keep revisiting this subject. What I > heard of Ferry in the 80s and 90s didn't make much of > an impact. The Explorers were great in the 80s. Come on Dave you're digging yourself deeper and deeper on this subject. "The Explorers were great in the 80's"? ha ha ha ha ha he he hehe hehe. They were impossible to find in the states with little to no promotion. Rod ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 22:16:48 -0700 From: "Keith Shockley" Subject: Re: Re: [AVALON] Re:To Turn You On - ----- Original Message ----- From: David Markfield To: Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 3:18 PM Subject: RE: Re: [AVALON] Re:To Turn You On You must have meant to send this to Mats... Keith > now this seems silly to me > > while it was a ferry solo song that became a roxy song - ferry, > mackay and manzanera have all written songs for solo that could > easily have been roxy and just as well have written roxy stuff > that they could have used solo. > > the song certainly fits the feel of avalon era roxy. > > seems to me you could just as easily say that since bryan wrote > mother of pearl by himself that he should have kept it off stranded > and used it for a solo project. > > dave > >--- Original Message --- > >From: Mats Andersson > >To: avalon@smoe.org > >Date: 8/29/01 3:03:01 PM > > > > >It's really a shame that To Turn You On took place > >on Avalon. It makes a superduper-album feels lowbudget. > >Why take a Bryan Ferry-solosong on a Roxyalbum? > > > >VERY disturbing. > > > > > >Mats > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >The subliminable footer says: > >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > >unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 19:32:58 -0700 (PDT) From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] If I Didn't Care... Oh yes, I just bought The Complete Explorers from Expression. James Wraith did a very good Ferry. Live at the Palace is another great disc. If you are a fan of Manzanera and Mackay, you'll like The Explorers as well. Pic of the Explorers in concert: http://pictures.care2.com/view/2/738574524 - --- Rod LeCloux wrote: > From: David Firmin > > > ..I wouldn't keep revisiting this subject. What I > > heard of Ferry in the 80s and 90s didn't make much > of > > an impact. The Explorers were great in the 80s. > > > Come on Dave you're digging yourself deeper and > deeper on this subject. > "The Explorers were great in the 80's"? ha ha ha ha > ha he he hehe hehe. > > They were impossible to find in the states with > little to no promotion. > > Rod > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > ===== Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! 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