From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #411 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Tuesday, August 28 2001 Volume 06 : Number 411 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] Come on, musicians! [Rickmond Wong ] Re: [AVALON] The Tubes ["tmoq" ] Re: [AVALON] RE: 83 concerts ["tmoq" ] Re: [AVALON] You're So Vain ["Andrew Shearer" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: HBO Live ["terrypaulrigz8c" ] [AVALON] Song of the week ["Nigel Hollis" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: HBO Live ["Chris Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] Re: HBO Live ["Chris Turner" ] Re: [AVALON] Song of the week [Colleen Matan ] [AVALON] Re: HBO Live ["Paul Bodine" ] [AVALON] Re: HBO LIVE [MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.)] Re: [AVALON] Re: HBO Live ["Sally-Ann Barbera" ] [AVALON] Request for NYC [Jads2@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Pros and Cons ["Grant Goggans" ] RE: [AVALON] OT: You're So Vain ["Jankiewicz, Jim" ] Re: [AVALON] Come on, musicians! [Mats Andersson ] [AVALON] Great Debuts-non Roxy [Jads2@aol.com] [AVALON] Sorry [Jads2@aol.com] [AVALON] RIAA.com ["Grant Goggans" ] RE: [AVALON] bryan and eddie and andy and ska ["Fiske, Jocelyn" ] Re: [AVALON] Pipes of Peace [David Firmin ] Re: [AVALON] Chicago 2001 Offer [AMeyersLD@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Request for NYC (and Detroit) [ASchulberg@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Casanova" [AMeyersLD@aol.com] To leave the list, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 01:30:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Rickmond Wong Subject: [AVALON] Come on, musicians! It seems like there aren't all that many musicians on this list. Where are you guys? I've only gotten minimal "serious" feedback on this Ferry/Roxy covers project idea (btw, thanks Simon!) Are there really no takers out there? It's been said that only 1000 people bought the first Velvet Underground LP when it came out, but every one of those people went on to form a band. Certainly, Roxy Music has inspired enough of you to creative musical heights... don't tell me I'm gonna have to look elsewhere to put this endeavor together. Maybe a post on www.bryanferry.com is in order? Rickmond ===== "Artists in any medium are nothing more than mere hooligans who cannot live within their income of admiration." - Quentin Crisp Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 06:26:04 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Tubes The first CD I ever bought was the Tubes first album and one of my all time favorite bootlegs is the Tubes "Darted in my Own Armchair" which I think I lost...so if anyone has a copy please contact me off list. Gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Shockley" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] The Tubes > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Daniel Atterbom > To: > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:56 PM > Subject: [AVALON] The Tubes > > I recently acquired the vinyl version of The Tubes second album "Now" which > I had on 8-track as a teenager. It holds up surprisingly well. > > Keith > > > > > At 11.07 +0100 1-08-15, Cassidy, Chris J (CCS) wrote: > > >An old friend of mine dragged me along to see THE TUBES (in about '79 at > the > > >Odeon in Birmingham?) who I had never even heard of. They were > > >FUN/intelligent and had apparently toned their act down somewhat. I > hear > > >they're touring again - anyone seen them in the States - is Fee still > > >wearing his 12 inch (or should I say 30cm) heels? > > >I bet they're even funnier now. > > > > I am catching up on Avalon. I saw the Tubes in Stockholm during the same > > tour. I thought that they broke up some years ago, but I am glad I am > > wrong. They were only big in San Francisco if I remember it right. > > > > NP Britney Spears, Stronger (I thought I would surprise you) > > > > Daniel > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 06:33:02 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: 83 concerts - ----- Original Message ----- From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 3:05 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] RE: 83 concerts >The best one is probably the show from > Madison Square Garden, May 1983 which was broadcast on the radio (known as > Out Of The Blue and New Gold Dream). I think the 2 CD Out Of The Blue boot was Radio City Music Hall. In fact, I recently saw a copy in a local music store. If anyone is interested I could look to see if it`s still there. Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:20:56 +0000 From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] You're So Vain I could be wrong but I think Jagger did backing vocals on it and it was about Beatty. Andrew >From: "Sally-Ann Barbera" >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: >Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Casanova" >Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:02:46 +1000 > >I thought "You're So Vain" was about Warren Beatty? >-----Original Message----- >From: Jim Rosencutter >To: avalon@smoe.org >Date: Tuesday, 28 August 2001 3:42 >Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Casanova" > > > >AMeyersLD@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> Didn't someone posit that it is about Mick Jagger? > > > >Nah, that was "You're So Vain." :) > > > >To me, Casanova and Dead Finks will always be about Messrs. Ferry and > >Eno, respectively, regardless of what they have to say about it. It's > >just funner that way. > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >The subliminable footer says: > >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > >unsubscribe avalon > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:25:48 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: HBO Live I wonder if this rumour came from when BF worked with Patrick Leonard, who was co-writer/producer with Madge around the time of her True Blue album which featured the single "Live to Tell". Leonard then went on to work on BFs Bete Noir album and co-wrote/produce some of the album including "The Name of the Game" which sounds remarkably like "Live to Tell". Terry "O" NP: BF, New Town. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Shockley To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: HBO Live > ----- Original Message ----- > From: M.M.K. > To: > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:40 PM > Subject: [AVALON] Re: HBO Live > > I remember several years ago hearing or reading a rumor that Madonna was > going to sing on one of Ferry's > solo projects, or perhaps it was the other way around. Personally i'm glad > that never happened. > > Keith > > > > > > > > Say what you will about Madonna , but last night Live from Detroit ( her > > home town ) Michigan . She put on one hell of a show(2hrs.) She now > > plays guitar & did some acoustic sets. A Spanish # toward the end was > > outstanding. If Bryan ever drew a crowd that huge he'd think he died & > > went to heaven. Marlana..................... > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:20:08 -0500 From: Bill Subject: Re: [AVALON] Chicago 2001 Offer I think I made it in time ! I replied directly within seconds of seeing hte post materialize in the list. I am very grateful to you and will gladly assist with costs even though you have not asked for them. Thank you sir! Bill Gillam Strimples wrote: > All who contact me will be taken care of. Sorry to close it but i am > doing all the initial copies myself and the first run will be in limited > edition packaging. whoever wants to tree this can do so. > Steve ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:43:36 +0100 From: "Nigel Hollis" Subject: [AVALON] Song of the week Dearest Colleen, Please can you ensure that your Song of the Week for next week is Mother of Pearl as I am on holiday for two weeks and will not have the time nor the inclination to study Nietzsche. Thanking you for your kind consideration in this matter. Yours faithfully (and excused), Nigel. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:43:57 +0100 From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" Subject: [AVALON] RE:From which well do words spring? Interesting thoughts on Ferry/lyrics. I too have read Ferry describe himself as a lyrical collagist. Untrained as a writer, but structured as an artist under the influence of Pop Art, this is totally in keeping with his comfort zones. I also discount Ferry as a singer and more an interpreter of sound which again fits the later concept of "scatting" (the vocal doodling, not the strange internet sites!) I also know that Ferry, who perversely continues to surround himself with virtuoso musicians, considers himself an inspired amateur, constantly haunted by the fact that he "isn't good enough"- hence the mixing of his voice further and further back and hours/days/months/years of self-doubting "work turned to the wall". Ferry is all manner of things, but he has never been what HE wants to be. Look at the lyrists he sites. The craftsmen of the 20's/ 30's/ 40's. The pinnacle for him being Cole Porter. Damn right they don't write them like that no more, because it wasn't just an emotional trip then, it was a science. These guys had very clever formulae and successful ones at that. Which author does Ferry site as his favourite? Scott F Fitzgerald. Same period, same sophistication of phrase. But the common denominator is that these people created characters, even just for 3 minutes. And they were believable characters at that. Same thing with old Dash Hammett, Chandler and maybe the best of them all Ring Lardner. And then there's the wit and cynicism and despondency and self loathing of Dottie Parker. You might as well live indeed! Ferry would love to write like these people and I think in the beginning he made his own valiant stab at it. Do the Strand, Virginia Plain, Dream Home, Bitters End, MOP, SFE, Serenade, Street Life, Casanova, Manifesto, Psalm, Kiss and Tell, Tokyo Joe (and on and on) show this playfulness of word play and are all littered with throwaway references. And didn't we all feel good when we thought we'd worked it all out? Other tracks and much of his later catalogue deal with words as landscape, more abstract, more part of a whole, less a body of words begging interpretation in solus. As for having to experience something to be able to write about it, I don't subscribe to that view at all, or I'd be out of a job or arrested as a serial killer! As for collaboration re Dr Puxley, I'm certain one of the reasons Ferry liked having Simon around was his wit, and his verbosity. How many times do you hear a phrase and think what a great lyric it would make. If you're far-sited enough, you write it down or lock it away in a canyon in your mind to be dug out at a later date, so no way was FYP a clean sheet by the time Bry pulled up in his dusty Traveller to pen said album in 2 weeks. There is no such thing as a blank canvas. Art is a collaboration. You might be the one who finally puts word processor to paper (doesn't have the same ring does it, let's change that to quill, much more Ferry) but it doesn't mean it's an exclusive project. It's just that the credits list get far too long on the album otherwise. This has prompted me to think how grand if Ferry was commissioned to write the score for a modern day version of Guys and Dolls. Or was that Boys and Girls? Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:05:30 +0100 From: "A.L. Jepson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] where am I and how did I get here? David Why don't we meet for a few pints of Woodfords Wherry at the Old Rotting Swan in Wimbotsham and we can discuss your love of anoraks and diaphragms. Alan David Squires wrote: > > On 21 Aug 2001, at 8:38, A.L. Jepson wrote: > > > Do I get a prize for wittiest caption? > > Most diaphanous anorak, perhaps... > > David > -- > David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:16:55 +0100 From: Leonard_Thomson@firstbs.com Subject: [AVALON] Avalonian musicians I can do the opening bass-line from Love Is The Drug on my armpits. Len ******************************************************************************** The information contained in this message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only. If you have received this message in error or there are any problems please notify the originator immediately. 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Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:37:42 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: HBO Live Madonna said in an interview by Denis Taranto "...I also write for other singers, I wrote one for Bryan Ferry". Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Shockley" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: HBO Live > > I remember several years ago hearing or reading a rumor that Madonna was > going to sing on one of Ferry's > solo projects, or perhaps it was the other way around. Personally i'm glad > that never happened. > > Keith ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:45:47 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: HBO Live I should have added that I remember during the US Bete Noire tour, the Daily Express in England printed a picture of Madonna on her way to see Bryan's gig in New York, the paper describing him as a 'cult artist' Add this to the Pat Leonard connection, and I assume that they are acquainted. Chris - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Turner" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: HBO Live > Madonna said in an interview by Denis Taranto "...I also write for other > singers, I wrote one for Bryan Ferry". > > Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:47:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Song of the week On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Nigel Hollis wrote: > Dearest Colleen, > > Please can you ensure that your Song of the Week for next week is > Mother of Pearl as I am on holiday for two weeks and will not have the > time nor the inclination to study Nietzsche. > > Thanking you for your kind consideration in this matter. > > Yours faithfully (and excused), > > Nigel. My dear Nigel, Maybe I've been living in Washington, DC too long, but don't requests like this customarily come with a bribe? Yours in graft, Colleen (hoping our newer and younger members will contribute to the [on-topic] music discussions) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:54:10 -0500 From: "Paul Bodine" Subject: [AVALON] Re: HBO Live >but then so does baseball and it's equally as crap as >Madge. >Cheers, >Tom. Might be better do yer drinkin' *after* you post to the group, mate. Paul in Milwaukee ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:00:43 -0500 (CDT) From: MarlanaK@webtv.net (M.M.K.) Subject: [AVALON] Re: HBO LIVE I too read where Madonna wrote a song for Bryan. At the time they told the song but can't remember just now. Also which song " You're So Vain" are you speaking ? Carly Simon , wrote a song of that name after the divorce of James Taylor, & she was referring to him in her song. Marlana....................................... ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:56:52 +1000 From: "Sally-Ann Barbera" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: HBO Live Which one????? Anybody????? - -----Original Message----- From: Chris Turner To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, 28 August 2001 23:35 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: HBO Live >Madonna said in an interview by Denis Taranto "...I also write for other >singers, I wrote one for Bryan Ferry". > >Chris > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Keith Shockley" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 6:01 AM >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: HBO Live >> >> I remember several years ago hearing or reading a rumor that Madonna was >> going to sing on one of Ferry's >> solo projects, or perhaps it was the other way around. Personally i'm glad >> that never happened. >> >> Keith > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:07:02 EDT From: Jads2@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Request for NYC I haven't been able to keep up with all the Avalon postings over the past few weeks so I don't know if this has been brought up. I was wondering if anyone had a recording of Roxy's New York City shows. If not those specific shows then any North American shows would do. Willing to tape, plant a tree, pay or whatever. Thanks John ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:18:54 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pros and Cons >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:31:08 -0700 (PDT) >From: David Firmin >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pros and Cons > >Every artist has their ups and downs. It doesn't mean >I have to like it all. I love some of Brian Eno's >stuff, but I didn't rush out to buy "My Squelchy >Life". John Lennon is another artist that I greatly >admire, but he had some crappy output. With my limited >income at the moment, I calculated all the expert >reviews I received today and now I can better >assimilate the situation. It looks like I should wait >for the box set. You're absolutely right in both cases, but I think what surprised a few people (myself included -- and I think Boys & Girls is Bry's best work since Country Life) is the unusual way you asked "Should I bother?" Using a similar example, I'm a Paul McCartney fan, but there are some of his albums I don't own on CD and have no intention of ever buying unless I find them dirt cheap. London Town and Pipes of Peace, to be precise. Now, nobody on the planet has ever given Pipes of Peace a good review, but the only ears I trust are my own, and even they're questionable. (After all, I bought T'Pau's first album.) Pipes of Peace was probably worth the $2 or $3 I spent for a used record. It is not worth $7 to me, therefore I probably won't own it on CD unless it's given to me as a gift. Ditto Lennon -- Sometime in New York City is utterly apalling, and the POS is a double-CD! And does anyone want to burn a "Lennon-songs-only" edition of Double Fantasy and Milk & Honey...? If you're curious about Boys & Girls, you owe it to yourself to try it yourself. Keep an eye out for it in the used vinyl or cassette racks. If you don't like it, maybe you'll be able to get your money back from someone here who collects vinyl. "We woke up 24 hours later. Yes was still playing. The same song." Grant Goggans http://www.geocities.com/gmslegion _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:22:16 -0500 From: "Jankiewicz, Jim" Subject: RE: [AVALON] OT: You're So Vain Correct & Wrong!: Jagger did backing vocals and the controversy/mystery/story at the time was that it was either about Beatty or Jagger with the bets being it was Beatty "flying his Lear Jet to Nova Scotia to see the total eclipse of the sun..." It was NOT about James Taylor who as far as I know never wore an apricot scarf and was prone to check himself out in mirror. Of course it could just as well be Jagger 'cause only he would be vain enough to sing on a song "about" him. LOL Andrew Shearer wrote: I could be wrong but I think Jagger did backing vocals on it and it was about Beatty. Marlana wrote: ... Carly Simon , wrote a song of that name after the divorce of James Taylor, & she was referring to him in her song. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:37:10 -0500 From: Susan Stekel Subject: Re: [AVALON] Song of the week >Colleen (hoping our newer and younger members will contribute to the >[on-topic] music discussions)> And on that note: Casanova. I must confess to being fairly new to this song -- while I've owned the later stuff and the first two albums for years, I acquired both Stranded and Country Life only more recently. I was aware of the "It's about Eno" school of thought, and I've tried listening to it in that light. It works in some ways, less so in others. But then again -- that's Bryan's intent, it seems. His comment that "a line here or there" might refer to an individual rings true here. But I'm more interested in the lyrics themselves than whom they refer to, because there are some _excellent_ lyrics here. "Second hand in glove with second rate"; "Casanova, is that your name? or do you live there?" Clever stuff. It's word play in the very same style of those earlier songwriters that he so admires. I mean: "Do do that voodoo that you do so well ..." Is that deep? noooooo. But it's sheer poetry, exulting purely in the sounds of the words. It's easy to see what he's aspiring to, whether or not he's attaining those heights. Susan [having flashbacks to her lit-crit days -- and believe me, NOTHING written on this song or the last has even come close to being pure Deconstructionism, theoretically speaking. So count yourselves lucky.] ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:37:54 +0200 From: Mats Andersson Subject: Re: [AVALON] Come on, musicians! Rickmond Wong wrote: > > It seems like there aren't all that many musicians on > this list. Where are you guys? I've only gotten > minimal "serious" feedback on this Ferry/Roxy covers > project idea (btw, thanks Simon!) Are there really no > takers out there? Well...here's an example....or three! ;-) http://w1.522.telia.com/~u52210792/roxy/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:52:46 -0700 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pros and Cons One reason to own Pipes of Peace, as well as Tug of War is to hear Andy Mackay's session work. It might be minimal, but when it comes to Mackay I am a completist. Did you know they misspelled Andy's name on Pipes? Pull out your vinyl copy and note that it's spelled McKay. You'd think McCartney would have better proofreaders. Thanks, David on 8/28/01 7:18 AM, Grant Goggans at gmslegion@hotmail.com wrote: >> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:31:08 -0700 (PDT) >> From: David Firmin >> Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pros and Cons >> >> Every artist has their ups and downs. It doesn't mean >> I have to like it all. I love some of Brian Eno's >> stuff, but I didn't rush out to buy "My Squelchy >> Life". John Lennon is another artist that I greatly >> admire, but he had some crappy output. With my limited >> income at the moment, I calculated all the expert >> reviews I received today and now I can better >> assimilate the situation. It looks like I should wait >> for the box set. > > You're absolutely right in both cases, but I think what surprised a few > people (myself included -- and I think Boys & Girls is Bry's best work since > Country Life) is the unusual way you asked "Should I bother?" > > Using a similar example, I'm a Paul McCartney fan, but there are some of his > albums I don't own on CD and have no intention of ever buying unless I find > them dirt cheap. London Town and Pipes of Peace, to be precise. Now, > nobody on the planet has ever given Pipes of Peace a good review, but the > only ears I trust are my own, and even they're questionable. (After all, I > bought T'Pau's first album.) Pipes of Peace was probably worth the $2 or $3 > I spent for a used record. It is not worth $7 to me, therefore I probably > won't own it on CD unless it's given to me as a gift. Ditto Lennon -- > Sometime in New York City is utterly apalling, and the POS is a double-CD! > And does anyone want to burn a "Lennon-songs-only" edition of Double Fantasy > and Milk & Honey...? > > If you're curious about Boys & Girls, you owe it to yourself to try it > yourself. Keep an eye out for it in the used vinyl or cassette racks. If > you don't like it, maybe you'll be able to get your money back from someone > here who collects vinyl. *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:58:17 EDT From: Jads2@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Great Debuts-non Roxy I know this is a Roxy list but I felt the need to bring your attention to a few recent releases. I feel that the members of Avalon, and fans of Roxy in general have a better musical taste than most, and better ear for the truly good. I always felt that Roxy's first was a stunning debut album-there was the shock of the new-and the promise of unknown pleasure to come. Not many bands have this kind of debut and those that do somehow can never equal that brilliance. Bands like Oasis and Television had stunning debuts that were never equalled. There is a new band The Strokes who have just come out with their debut album "Is This It" and I will put it into that special class of classic debuts. For those of you that don't know this is a young band out of New York City, They can be looked at as spoiled brats with daddy's who pay their way-the lead singer and writer is the son of Elite Modeling Agency's Casablanca and a guitarist is Albert Hammond Jr. They were the focus of a record company bidding war on the strength of their live shows and 2 UK singles (a total of 5 songs). They have been hyped to heaven as only the British music press could do (remember that the Sex Pistols and Suede among many others were front page and exhaustively covered before either had an album in stores). They have been likened to Iggy Pop, Velvet Underground and Television. This is high praise indeed and no one could live up to those kind of comparisons. Well after getting the album let me say that this band mostly lives up to the hype. Yes the singer sounds like Lou Reed in some songs, yes there are melodies that remind of Television and certainly some lyrics and sounds that would have been comfortable on a later Velvet album. Taken in total this is a grand debut in the tradition of old rock and roll records (I think total playing time is 37 minutes). There is not one bad song in the batch and every one has wormed its way into my sub-conscious. I walk around singing one of their songs throughout the day and everyday its a different song. Even my wife who does not follow music as I do has taken to humming along. So excuse me for gushing but take a chance on these guys. You will enjoy. The only album this year I've heard that is competition for the best of the year is "Rings Around the World" by Super Furry Animals. If you don't know this group you should.This new album of theirs is a culmination of everything that has come before-all of the promise their previous albums showed is now brought together and fulfilled. Now I'm just waiting for the new Mercury Rev and Spritualized albums-coming off of their 2 prior albums which were masterpices (Mercury Rev's "Deserter's Song" and Spiritualized's "Ladies & Gentleman We're Floating Through Space"). Their new ones have already been garnering great reviews and what I've heard so far does not disappoint. Sorry for going on with non-roxy stuff-but I haven't felt like gushing for any band in some time-so I had to. John ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:24:29 EDT From: Jads2@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Sorry Sorry I just saw that my previous email regarding the strokes etc had in fact been sent to this group already-While I am enthusistic regarding those bands I did not intend to send the same thing out again. See what age does to you? john ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 11:36:06 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] RIAA.com How interesting. The Recording Industry Assn. of America (boo! hiss!) has a searchable databse where you can look up gold and platinum certifications for any artist. Avalon is the only Roxy Music album to sell 500,000 copies in the US. It has also made platinum (1,000,000) sales. Boys & Girls is his only solo album to be certified gold... although Bete Noire did make silver status in 1989... WRAS used to have their "thanks for the promotion" silver record on their front office wall. "We woke up 24 hours later. Yes was still playing. The same song." Grant Goggans http://www.geocities.com/gmslegion _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:47:07 +0100 From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" Subject: RE: [AVALON] bryan and eddie and andy and ska >on Saturday afternoon, we literally stumbled across Eddie izzard doing a spontaneous show, no script, no show basically (well it was free!). You lucky, lucky man. Last time Eddie played London it was at Wembley Arena, can you believe it? I know what you mean about seeing something and thinking people here would be interested, I had a similar experience on Sunday night when seeing a ska band called the Tomcats. They were blinding, and made me think what a great ska saxophonist Andy would make. I now think that my life has become so sad that all roads must lead back to Roxy (and I apologise for wasting your time). But they do, because Madness are well known as ska influenced aficionados and both Chrissie boy and their saxophonist are huge Roxy fans. In the immortal words of Simon G- so there! Jocelyn ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:52:03 +0100 From: "Fiske, Jocelyn" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Other Music In a Different Kitchen > but Alison Goldfrapp,formerly a fine arts student from Middlesex University, has indeed worked with Bryan Ferry... Thanks for that info. I only knew that she had worked with Tricky (which kinda got my interest going in the first place). Would be fascinated to hear the outcome. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:04:08 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: HBO Live > >but then so does baseball and it's equally as crap as >Madge. > >Cheers, > >Tom. > > Might be better do yer drinkin' *after* you post to the group, mate. > > Paul in Milwaukee Don't you mean you'd have to be Pi***d as a newt to appreciate either. Tom in Scotland. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:10:11 -0700 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Pipes of Peace Grant, You might want to pick up a copy of the Pipes of Peace CD after all. According to Andy Mackay's site, the 1993 remastered version CD has 3 extra tracks; "Twice In a Lifetime", "We All Stand Together" and "Simple as That". I might get it just to hear the extra tracks with Andy. Thanks, David on 8/28/01 7:18 AM, Grant Goggans at gmslegion@hotmail.com wrote: > Pipes of Peace was probably worth the $2 or $3 > I spent for a used record. It is not worth $7 to me, therefore I probably > won't own it on CD unless it's given to me as a gift. *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:29:32 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Chicago 2001 Offer I'll take one! Andrew Meyers 1322 West Estes Chicago, IL 60626 (773)274-7644 THANKS! - -A ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:48:52 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Request for NYC (and Detroit) In a message dated 08/28/2001 10:08:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jads2@aol.com writes: > I haven't been able to keep up with all the Avalon postings over the past > few > weeks so I don't know if this has been brought up. I was wondering if > anyone > And just to leave no stone unturned, has anyone got hold of a recording of the Detroit show? Arnie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:49:12 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Casanova" In a message dated 8/27/01 12:43:55 PM, jrosencutter@kscable.com writes: << To me, Casanova and Dead Finks will always be about Messrs. Ferry and Eno, respectively, regardless of what they have to say about it. It's just funner that way. >> I must admit that I don't know that much about Eno from a 'Gossip" point of view. In high school, we all read every interview with him we could get our hands on, but they were mostly intellectual. I don't remember anything about him being a womanizing drug addict, as "Cassanova" implies. The more I think about it, the less I think it is about Eno. Given that BF and Eno are freinds again, and working together occassionally, wouldn't it have been extremely rude of Bryan to play "Cassanova" on the ATGB tour, if it really were about Eno? Andrew in Chicago (With food poisoning...) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #411 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest