From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #408 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Monday, August 27 2001 Volume 06 : Number 408 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Other Music In a Different Kitchen ["Han Snijders" ] Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Casanova" [Daniel Atterbom ] [AVALON] Julia Thornton/Website [OBrienFerry@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Question for the A team ["David Squires " ] RE: [AVALON] Boys and Girls ["Jankiewicz, Jim" ] Re: [AVALON] Boys and Girls [David Firmin ] Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Casanova" [AMeyersLD@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Re: (the first) SOTW...FYP [AMeyersLD@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Boys and Girls ["dark.images" ] Re: [AVALON] Boys and Girls ["Becky Payne" ] Re: [AVALON] Boys and Girls ["Will Frechette" ] [AVALON] Chicago 2001 Offer ["Strimples" ] Re: [AVALON] Boys and Girls ["Becky Payne" ] Re: [AVALON] Question for the A team ["Han Snijders" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Roxy Covers Project [Jim Rosencutter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Other Music In a Different Kitchen I'm posting the URL -- would > any German Avalonians be so kind as to translate her comments about working > with Bryan? (the Google translator is BAD -- but does produce some pretty > amusing results) > > http://www.mucke-und-mehr.de/magint/goldfrap.htm > Susan a Dutch man who's going to translate German in English.............. Q: Did you like the projects with others so far? A: Not very much. I worked once with Bryan Ferry and that was nice because he's a very interesting and decent man. He told me a lot about the Roxy Music period and not only that, I like his voice very much. Han Btw Susan Stekel is a Dutch name??? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 01:54:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Rickmond Wong Subject: [AVALON] Ferry/Roxy Covers Project Hey friends, Has there ever been an Avalonia CD tree of Roxy/Ferry tunes covered by us fans? I was thinking maybe we can follow in the footsteps of several other lists, (i.e. the one for Aztec Camera) in which fans recorded their own interpretations of the artists's songs, not for profit or anything, but just something to be tree'd out and shared with one another. I for one am a working musician/singer/songwriter who would love to organize and put this thing together. Are there any other musicians on this list who might be interested in contributing songs to such a project? If anybody wanna do some tracks and send them to me, I can put it together, right down to the CD burns and all. I can even produce/mix for whomever in my little home studio here, if need be. Speaking of which, I think it's time for a major-label, all-star tribute to Roxy Music, with covers by Moby, Billy Corgan, Radiohead, etc. I mean, there's a Depeche Mode tribute album, a Joy Division tribute album, and countless tribute albums for any number of less influential and talented artists. Anybody want to help me petition Virgin Records? In a similar vein, here's my topic of the day: Which all-star recording artists would you have on your dream Roxy Tribute album, and what tracks would they be covering? Rickmond ===== "Artists in any medium are nothing more than mere hooligans who cannot live within their income of admiration." - Quentin Crisp Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:10:56 +0200 From: Daniel Atterbom Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Casanova" At 22.15 -0400 1-08-26, Colleen Matan wrote: >OK, how about "Casanova"--both versions from _Country Life_ and _Let's >Stick Together_? > >As before the discussion is open to anything related to the song, and >these are only suggestions: > > love it? hate it? I like it. > lyrics/music I think that Martin Stockman is right, it is about Eno, but some aspects of Ferry crept in. > it changed my life No, but it changed Ferry's and Eno's. > live vs. studio version(s) (if applicable) The two studio recordings are both good. Since it is plasyed and this tour it must be a live favorite, of the band at least. > the video (if any) Do't remember. > that reminds me... ...that the real life Casanova needed theraphy? NP Crowded House, Four seasons in one day MTV unplugged Daniel ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:34:06 EDT From: CSOlive123@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] RE: [Avalon] From obsession to perfectionism Chris Turner writes: If Ferry wrote the bulk of FYP in a week, did he really pore over every_single_couplet like some latter-day Keats - or did he just make some of it rhyme and scan to meet his record company deadline? Although Bryan spends most of his time perfecting the musical side and the perils of music technology, he's still a slave to the lyrics, drafting and redrafting. He spends hours meditating before putting pen to paper. Loneliness permeates much of his work. "You make me nervous/you telephone/you drive me crazy/want to be alone". "Alone what a word lonely/Alone it makes me cry" That's the quintessential BF lyric. No wonder he's producing some sad lyrics, and Bryan does admit to being a manic depressive!! My personal view to writing poetry or any form of text, is that one needs to be experienced in the subject. Bryan draws from his experiences and knowledge, 'The 39 Steps,' '2HB', 'Do the Strand'. As well as experiences of having loved and lost!! Also, Bryan is not just throwing words together to fit a melody, he is too obsessed with perfectionism. Maybe in the past words came easier, but who else in the music business has produced intelligent lyrics for nearly thirty years. At one stage of his career he suffered from writer's block. In March '93 Bryan said, "last night I was waking up every hour on the hour. Around 4am, I even thought of some lyrics, which is a rare event in itself, but I couldn't find a pen and paper. Then I fell asleep and I couldn't remember them in the morning," Esquire (p46). At times the lyrics and musical sounds intertwine, complimenting each other. The music is of haunted vulnerability essenced by unmistakable cool vocal drifts swirling out of darkness, 'Wasteland' 'Day for Night', 'Zamba'. Another formula is the questioning and answering technique. One critic called it 'the curious distance between singer and the song', the balance between the objective and the subjective. That distance is combined with careful artistry - a source of fascination. It is electric and it is provocative. John OBrien wrote: You have to listen deep within the tracks to piece parts together to find these melodies and rhythms, which can sound different each hearing, and his lyrics have that same deep search. I agree John that each listening can reveal another secret or element of surprise. I can't have Ferry/Roxy as background music, I become mesmerised and have to sit down and listen as in a dream. As well as loneliness combined with mystery, I personally feel that the lyrics suggest soul-searching, finding oneself, one's identity, 'Mystery of life buried in the sand/I'm longing to understand,' 'I didn't know which way to turn/walk on ice feel your fingers burn'. 'Fallen leaves in the night/ who can say where they're blowing.' There is more to come, Bryan hasn't concluded his musical career - he still has achievements and goals to fulfil. 'Shooting star, you're going so far, that's where I want to be'. Chris wrote: Maybe the Old Boy would have a laugh at the amateur metaphysical poets and psychology interns here. Bryan once said, "I do like to have other people's opinions. I like interaction. Manifesto is one of my favourite lyrics. Nobody ever commented on it, though..which hurt my feelings (Sept '94)". Okay, we'll start a thread on this one, just for Bryan!!! You'd better hold out When you're in doubt, Question what you see And when you find an answer Bring it home to me Bryan Ferry, "Manifesto" Collette ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:36:56 EDT From: Ceesse@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] manchester My friend Anne and I will be in Manchester as well, and I'm sure we can arrange to meet. - Carol ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:29:52 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] Re: (the first) SOTW...FYP >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 01:36:54 -0700 >From: "Keith Shockley" >Subject: [AVALON] Re: (the first) SOTW...FYP > >... I can listen to FYP late at night before sleep, with the headphones on >lying in bed...and it gives me some kind of mellow rush...it takes me away >to some other >place....an aural euphoric wonderland. The only other songs that do this to >me are The Smith's Suffer Little >Children (which is, ironically, about child murders) and Kate Bush's opus >The Ninth Wave from Hounds of Love. >I would be interested to know if any list members (1) know what I'm talking >about and (2) would share any songs that have a similar effect on them. Most of what Miles Davis recorded between 1969-71 (after adding guitar to his band and before letting people go nuts on percussion) has that effect on me. In a Silent Way, Bitches Brew (esp the title track) and Big Fun all contain very dense soundscapes that completely transport me to some other world. "We woke up 24 hours later. Yes was still playing. The same song." Grant Goggans http://www.geocities.com/gmslegion _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:38:50 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: (the first) SOTW...FYP In a message dated 08/27/2001 8:31:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gmslegion@hotmail.com writes: > >... I can listen to FYP late at night before sleep, with the headphones on > >lying in bed...and it gives me some kind of mellow rush...it takes me away > >to some other > >place....an aural euphoric wonderland. The only other songs that do this to > >me are The Smith's Suffer Little > >Children (which is, ironically, about child murders) and Kate Bush's opus > >The Ninth Wave from Hounds of Love. > >I would be interested to know if any list members (1) know what I'm talking > >about and (2) would share any songs that have a similar effect on them. > > Most of what Miles Davis recorded between 1969-71 (after adding guitar to > his band and before letting people go nuts on percussion) has that effect > on > me. In a Silent Way, Bitches Brew (esp the title track) and Big Fun all > contain very dense soundscapes that completely transport me to some other > world. > I used to get that way to The Who's "Underture" to "Tommy". Arnie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:52:46 +0100 From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Roxy Covers Project A list tribute project is something I have often thought of and I have contributed to similar projects in the past (David Bowie and The Posies). It's a great idea as I've always thought that there must be quite a number of musicians and songwriters amongst us... which leads to another idea of a related poject - Original music by list members. Who wants to reveal all eh? ;-) SimonG - ---------- >From: Rickmond Wong >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: [AVALON] Ferry/Roxy Covers Project >Date: Mon, Aug 27, 2001, 9:54 am > > Hey friends, > > Has there ever been an Avalonia CD tree of Roxy/Ferry > tunes covered by us fans? I was thinking maybe we can > follow in the footsteps of several other lists, (i.e. > the one for Aztec Camera) in which fans recorded their > own interpretations of the artists's songs, not for > profit or anything, but just something to be tree'd > out and shared with one another. I for one am a > working musician/singer/songwriter who would love to > organize and put this thing together. Are there any > other musicians on this list who might be interested > in contributing songs to such a project? If anybody > wanna do some tracks and send them to me, I can put it > together, right down to the CD burns and all. I can > even produce/mix for whomever in my little home studio > here, if need be. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:54:05 +0100 (BST) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?John=20O'Brien?=" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Roxy Covers Project --- SIMON GALLOWAY wrote: > A list tribute project is something I have often > thought of and I have > contributed to similar projects in the past (David > Bowie and The Posies). > It's a great idea as I've always thought that there > must be quite a number > of musicians and songwriters amongst us... which > leads to another idea of a > related poject - Original music by list members. Who > wants to reveal all eh? > ;-) > > SimonG Way back in my plooky youth I used to be an International Rock Superstar elect, I did a couple of albums of original material which I pressed on CD and sold at gigs in and around Inverness. Quite often after gigs I would have 4 or 5 gorgeous women screaming and knocking on my dressing room door but there was no way I was going to let them out. I decided to give up the music business when I seen how the pressures of stardom had affected Elvis. On the covers topic:- I was trained in brass and used to play in a brass band. I had to arrange some music for an exam I was doing and did a brass quartet arrangement of Oh Yeah which sounded strange on 2 cornets, euphonium and a tenor horn. I didn't record it though, unless there was some bootlegger in the audience with a mini disc player and mic. I'll check the Croy Parish Brass Band mailing list to see if a bootleg has been tree'd there. John O'Brien Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:00:00 EDT From: ASchulberg@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Roxy Covers Project In a message dated 08/27/2001 10:55:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, johnobrien65@yahoo.co.uk writes: > Quite often > after gigs I would have 4 or 5 gorgeous women > screaming and knocking on my dressing room door but > there was no way I was going to let them out. > > LOL! Arnie ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:03:05 -0700 From: David Firmin Subject: [AVALON] Question for the A team Since the Roxy project has put Ferry's solo album on the back burner, how can Ferry release it as a "new album"? The recordings have been lying in the can for almost a year? How can it still sound fresh? Also, does anyone know the line-up on Ferry's new solo album? I know Chris Spedding took part in it. Thanks, David *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:59:31 EDT From: OBrienFerry@aol.com Subject: [AVALON] Julia Thornton/Website For those of you who wanted to see Julia Thornton & Rosie Wetters on vivaroxymusic.com, check out the Musicians/Credits section of the site which has been updated with a few other touring musicians. Regards John O'Brien ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:59:20 +0100 From: "David Squires " Subject: Re: [AVALON] Question for the A team On 27 Aug 2001, at 8:03, David Firmin wrote: > Also, does anyone know the line-up on Ferry's new solo album? I think William Walton handled one or two of the brass and string arrangements on the earliest material. David - -- David Squires, Wimbotsham, Norfolk, UK ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:14:09 -0700 From: David Firmin Subject: [AVALON] Boys and Girls I've been reading all this great stuff about Boys and Girls on the list recently. You have peaked my interest. Could someone tell me a good reason to go out and buy it? So far, I've avoided the 80's stuff altogether. As an "old school" Ferry fan, I could never see what was so fantastic about Boys and Girls. Sure I've heard it, but songs like "Slave to Love" and "Don't Stop the Dance" are, quite frankly, boring. AMG says the album's biggest flaw is indeed that it's almost too smooth, with not even the hint of threat or edge that Ferry once readily made his own. It also states that the album is a high cut above the usual mid-eighties yuppie smarm music. Thanks for your help, David *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:24:01 -0500 From: "Jankiewicz, Jim" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Boys and Girls Don't Stop the Dance is BORING!!!! I don't know how to non-emotional respond to that. If this song doesn't touch you personally than it may explain else I am aghast and speechless. Anyone got a way to respond to this, I have this knife in my heart and throat...... David wrote: ...songs like "Slave to Love" and "Don't Stop the Dance" are, quite frankly, boring. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:31:58 -0500 From: Bill Subject: [AVALON] Re: Boys and Girls I paid no attention to the statement.. that is how I dealt with it.. gave it no merit at all for nothing could possibly be further form the truth "Jankiewicz, Jim" wrote: > Don't Stop the Dance is BORING!!!! I don't know how to non-emotional > respond to that. If this song doesn't touch you personally than it may > explain else I am aghast and speechless. Anyone got a way to respond to > this, I have this knife in my heart and throat...... > > David wrote: > ...songs like "Slave to Love" and "Don't Stop the Dance" are, quite frankly, > boring. > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:30:27 -0700 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boys and Girls It just keeps repeating the same riff over and over again. If I appear naive, it's because I've never really heard the whole album. I'm honestly looking for a valid reason to add it to my Ferry collection. Thanks, David on 8/27/01 9:24 AM, Jankiewicz, Jim at Jim.Jankiewicz@goliath.com wrote: > Don't Stop the Dance is BORING!!!! I don't know how to non-emotional > respond to that. If this song doesn't touch you personally than it may > explain else I am aghast and speechless. Anyone got a way to respond to > this, I have this knife in my heart and throat...... > > > David wrote: > ...songs like "Slave to Love" and "Don't Stop the Dance" are, quite frankly, > boring. on 8/27/01 9:14 AM, David Firmin at eddieriff@yahoo.com wrote: > I've been reading all this great stuff about Boys and Girls on the list > recently. You have peaked my interest. Could someone tell me a good reason to > go out and buy it? So far, I've avoided the 80's stuff altogether. > > As an "old school" Ferry fan, I could never see what was so fantastic about > Boys and Girls. Sure I've heard it, but songs like "Slave to Love" and "Don't > Stop the Dance" are, quite frankly, boring. > > AMG says the album's biggest flaw is indeed that it's almost too smooth, with > not even the hint of threat or edge that Ferry once readily made his own. It > also states that the album is a high cut above the usual mid-eighties yuppie > smarm music. > > Thanks for your help, > David > > *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:41:49 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Casanova" In a message dated 8/27/01 1:37:38 AM, martinstockman@btinternet.com writes: << a) It's about Eno b) It's about Ferry (I memorably described it as a Rhapsody of Self-Hate. Well, at least memorably in my mind.) c) It's not about anyone in particular. >> Didn't someone posit that it is about Mick Jagger? Ironically, it would have been long before the Jeri Hall/Mick Jagger union. Andrew in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:47:20 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: (the first) SOTW...FYP When I was a theatre student in London, Judi Dench came to have tea at the little hostel/hotel where my student group was staying in London. (Many other actors came to tea and to chat with us: Micheal Redgrave, Prunella Scales, Edward Petheridge...) We had just seen her the night before in..um... a great play about cold war spying in suburbia...She was charming and informative, and I remember wishing I had a comment or question that would grab her attention. If I had only known! Andrew in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:05:15 +0100 From: "dark.images" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boys and Girls I'am with you David on this one,I'am from the old Roxy/Ferry camp,I still bought everything Ferry & co released and with every new release I preyed to find that magic which only Ferry could give you but to no avail,yes I must agree Dont stop the Dance and the like didnt hit the spot. Andy.H. - ----- Original Message ----- From: David Firmin To: Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boys and Girls > It just keeps repeating the same riff over and over again. If I appear > naive, it's because I've never really heard the whole album. I'm honestly > looking for a valid reason to add it to my Ferry collection. > > Thanks, > David > > on 8/27/01 9:24 AM, Jankiewicz, Jim at Jim.Jankiewicz@goliath.com wrote: > > > Don't Stop the Dance is BORING!!!! I don't know how to non-emotional > > respond to that. If this song doesn't touch you personally than it may > > explain else I am aghast and speechless. Anyone got a way to respond to > > this, I have this knife in my heart and throat...... > > > > > > David wrote: > > ...songs like "Slave to Love" and "Don't Stop the Dance" are, quite frankly, > > boring. > > > on 8/27/01 9:14 AM, David Firmin at eddieriff@yahoo.com wrote: > > > I've been reading all this great stuff about Boys and Girls on the list > > recently. You have peaked my interest. Could someone tell me a good reason to > > go out and buy it? So far, I've avoided the 80's stuff altogether. > > > > As an "old school" Ferry fan, I could never see what was so fantastic about > > Boys and Girls. Sure I've heard it, but songs like "Slave to Love" and "Don't > > Stop the Dance" are, quite frankly, boring. > > > > AMG says the album's biggest flaw is indeed that it's almost too smooth, with > > not even the hint of threat or edge that Ferry once readily made his own. It > > also states that the album is a high cut above the usual mid-eighties yuppie > > smarm music. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > David > > > > *** > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:13:55 +0000 From: "Becky Payne" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boys and Girls Firstly,I Like "Don't Stop The Dance" alot actually. I don't think anyone should have to justify why they like something. Sometimes you just do ! If that leaves you aghast and speechless well.....Secondly, if anyone struggles to find a valid reason to add "Boys and Girls" to their collection then they obviously don't want to buy it. Don't beat yourself up about it ! I'm sure Bryan will get over it..... Becky x > >It just keeps repeating the same riff over and over again. If I appear >naive, it's because I've never really heard the whole album. I'm honestly >looking for a valid reason to add it to my Ferry collection. > >Thanks, >David _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:25:21 -0500 From: "Will Frechette" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boys and Girls You need a valid reason to spend $10 on a Bryan Ferry disc that you do not own. I guess not owning it would be the best reason. Will - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Firmin" > It just keeps repeating the same riff over and over again. If I appear > naive, it's because I've never really heard the whole album. I'm honestly > looking for a valid reason to add it to my Ferry collection. > > Thanks, > David > > on 8/27/01 9:24 AM, Jankiewicz, Jim at Jim.Jankiewicz@goliath.com wrote: > > > Don't Stop the Dance is BORING!!!! I don't know how to non-emotional > > respond to that. If this song doesn't touch you personally than it may > > explain else I am aghast and speechless. Anyone got a way to respond to > > this, I have this knife in my heart and throat...... > > > > > > David wrote: > > ...songs like "Slave to Love" and "Don't Stop the Dance" are, quite frankly, > > boring. > > > on 8/27/01 9:14 AM, David Firmin at eddieriff@yahoo.com wrote: > > > I've been reading all this great stuff about Boys and Girls on the list > > recently. You have peaked my interest. Could someone tell me a good reason to > > go out and buy it? So far, I've avoided the 80's stuff altogether. > > > > As an "old school" Ferry fan, I could never see what was so fantastic about > > Boys and Girls. Sure I've heard it, but songs like "Slave to Love" and "Don't > > Stop the Dance" are, quite frankly, boring. > > > > AMG says the album's biggest flaw is indeed that it's almost too smooth, with > > not even the hint of threat or edge that Ferry once readily made his own. It > > also states that the album is a high cut above the usual mid-eighties yuppie > > smarm music. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > David > > > > *** > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:53:58 -0400 From: "Strimples" Subject: [AVALON] Chicago 2001 Offer This show is now available Really good sound no distortion clear sound not alot of audience around the taper. CD1 56+min. CD2 43+min. No Filler 19 songs first few sec. of Tara on CD2 cut. The first 10 people or so that want this will get a FREEBIE just send your address and i will get these out by late this week with art (if someone has pics they want to donate send them on). Art will be sent with discs. Steve ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 17:24:30 +0000 From: "Becky Payne" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boys and Girls I like early Roxy and later Roxy equally. I don't think I really have a preference for one or the other. In a way they are like two separate bands, to me. I personally got into Roxy when I was young, about 10 years old, back in the early to mid eighties at the time of "Boys and Girls" and loved it. I then sought out the earlier stuff and I was blown away by it. I discovered GLAM ROCK ! I will say (reluctantly) that the later stuff is alot blander to the earlir stuff but, at the same time it was still alot lot better than other music that was around at the time. Later Roxy is special to me because it makes me feel nostalgic and young again. I was never there at the start so I can't get that same feeling for it but I love it all the same. Becky x >From: "dark.images" >Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org >To: >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boys and Girls >Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:05:15 +0100 > >I'am with you David on this one,I'am from the old Roxy/Ferry camp,I still >bought everything Ferry & co released >and with every new release I preyed to find that magic which only Ferry >could give you but to no avail,yes I must agree Dont stop the Dance and the >like didnt hit the spot. > Andy.H. >----- Original Message ----- >From: David Firmin >To: >Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 5:30 PM >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Boys and Girls > > > > It just keeps repeating the same riff over and over again. If I appear > > naive, it's because I've never really heard the whole album. I'm >honestly > > looking for a valid reason to add it to my Ferry collection. > > > > Thanks, > > David > > > > on 8/27/01 9:24 AM, Jankiewicz, Jim at Jim.Jankiewicz@goliath.com wrote: > > > > > Don't Stop the Dance is BORING!!!! I don't know how to non-emotional > > > respond to that. If this song doesn't touch you personally than it >may > > > explain else I am aghast and speechless. Anyone got a way to respond >to > > > this, I have this knife in my heart and throat...... > > > > > > > > > David wrote: > > > ...songs like "Slave to Love" and "Don't Stop the Dance" are, quite >frankly, > > > boring. > > > > > > on 8/27/01 9:14 AM, David Firmin at eddieriff@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > I've been reading all this great stuff about Boys and Girls on the >list > > > recently. You have peaked my interest. Could someone tell me a good >reason to > > > go out and buy it? So far, I've avoided the 80's stuff altogether. > > > > > > As an "old school" Ferry fan, I could never see what was so fantastic >about > > > Boys and Girls. Sure I've heard it, but songs like "Slave to Love" and >"Don't > > > Stop the Dance" are, quite frankly, boring. > > > > > > AMG says the album's biggest flaw is indeed that it's almost too >smooth, >with > > > not even the hint of threat or edge that Ferry once readily made his >own. It > > > also states that the album is a high cut above the usual mid-eighties >yuppie > > > smarm music. > > > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > David > > > > > > *** > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:24:05 +0200 From: "Han Snijders" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Question for the A team > Since the Roxy project has put Ferry's solo album on the back burner, how > can Ferry release it as a "new album"? The recordings have been lying in the > can for almost a year? How can it still sound fresh? > It's in the refrigerator But more serious, I don't know exactly what you mean with fresh, but I think a BF record has nothing to do with sounding modern, up -to -date or whatever you can call it. It's simply a new record with the only reference the other records he made. It's like asking if a new Van Morisson, Lou Reed or John Cale cd sounds fresh. If When She Walks In The Room or This Island earth was released yesterday I would love it....23 years old! Han ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:31:55 -0700 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Question for the A team I was thinking of it from Ferry's standpoint. What if he came up with some better ideas while this was put on hold? Remember when he used to put out 2 Roxy albums and 2 solo albums in the same time period that this stuff has been shelved? Thanks, David on 8/27/01 10:24 AM, Han Snijders at snijders.geest@hetnet.nl wrote: >> Since the Roxy project has put Ferry's solo album on the back burner, how >> can Ferry release it as a "new album"? The recordings have been lying in > the >> can for almost a year? How can it still sound fresh? >> > It's in the refrigerator > > But more serious, I don't know exactly what you mean with fresh, but I > think a BF record has nothing to do with sounding modern, up -to -date or > whatever you can call it. It's simply a new record with the only reference > the other records he made. It's like asking if a new Van Morisson, Lou Reed > or John Cale cd sounds fresh. > If When She Walks In The Room or This Island earth was released yesterday I > would love it....23 years old! > > Han ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:41:40 -0500 From: Jim Rosencutter Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Roxy Covers Project I'll toot my own horn. I played bass and guitar in a few bands back in the 70s/80s, but was most successful as the soundman/producer of a band called the Embarrassment from Wichita, Kansas. Recently I produced a CD of live tracks & demos by the band that was released this spring by My Pal God Records (http://www.mypalgodrecords.com/embarrassment.shtml). To my surprise it has received a whole bunch of good reviews on various 'zine web sites (do a Google search on "Embarrassment Blister Pop"). To learn more about the Embarrassment, go to www.embarrassment.org. Jim SIMON GALLOWAY wrote: > A list tribute project is something I have often thought of and I have > contributed to similar projects in the past (David Bowie and The Posies). > It's a great idea as I've always thought that there must be quite a number > of musicians and songwriters amongst us... which leads to another idea of a > related poject - Original music by list members. Who wants to reveal all eh? > ;-) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 12:43:37 -0500 From: Jim Rosencutter Subject: Re: [AVALON] SOTW: "Casanova" AMeyersLD@aol.com wrote: > > Didn't someone posit that it is about Mick Jagger? Nah, that was "You're So Vain." :) To me, Casanova and Dead Finks will always be about Messrs. Ferry and Eno, respectively, regardless of what they have to say about it. It's just funner that way. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:49:54 -0700 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry/Roxy Covers Project I wish my band would have covered Whirlwind when I was in an 80's hair metal band. No kidding... see pics: http://home.ix.netcom.com/~dfirmin/Group.html Thanks, David *** on 8/27/01 10:41 AM, Jim Rosencutter at jrosencutter@kscable.com wrote: > I'll toot my own horn. I played bass and guitar in a few bands back in > the 70s/80s, but was most successful as the soundman/producer of a band > called the Embarrassment from Wichita, Kansas. > > Recently I produced a CD of live tracks & demos by the band that was > released this spring by My Pal God Records > (http://www.mypalgodrecords.com/embarrassment.shtml). To my surprise it > has received a whole bunch of good reviews on various 'zine web sites > (do a Google search on "Embarrassment Blister Pop"). > > To learn more about the Embarrassment, go to www.embarrassment.org. > > Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #408 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest