From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #405 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Sunday, August 26 2001 Volume 06 : Number 405 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [AVALON] How I know Bryan takes his lyrics seriously ["julie ahmadi" ] Re: [AVALON] Opener? [Colleen Matan ] Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #393 [AMeyersLD@aol.com] Re: [AVALON] Re: matinee idols [David Firmin ] [AVALON] Re: For your pleasure/Wasteland - Why shouldn't we... [Kamaya.Ya] Re: [AVALON] Re: For your pleasure/Wasteland - Why shouldn't we... [David] Re: [AVALON] Avalonia - The Collected Works ["Andrew Shearer" Subject: [AVALON] How I know Bryan takes his lyrics seriously Great post Chris. This Island Earth is my favourite track on the Bride album, the lyrics being some of the best he's ever done Julie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:46:46 +0100 From: "Philip Adams" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : For Your Pleasure Well, of course. I never knew what a choker , or a picture cameo, was when I was 14. Philip > "Your choker provokes > a picture cameo" ? > > Mother of Pearl? > > Guy > lacking e-postcards, sorry > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > Philip Adams > Sent: 25 August 2001 07:02 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re : For Your Pleasure > > > > I was always heard this as "you did'nt ask why".. must give it a listen. > > But then I used to think a certain Ferry lyric went > > "you cooked up the books > I'll bet you planned it all" > > ok, which song? answers on a postcard, please > > Philip > > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 19:39:17 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] OOTB by Billy Corgan Not a bad version either. Too bad the vocals are so diastant. It list Marianne Faithful??? Is she involved? Corgan introduces Bun E. Carlos (Cheap Trick) on drums too. Gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 7:15 AM Subject: [AVALON] OOTB by Billy Corgan > Found an MP3 to download of Billy Corgan soing Out Of The Blue > > http://www.pumpkins.it/mp3lnk.html > > Just in the process of getting now. > > SimonG > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:16:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Colleen Matan Subject: Re: [AVALON] Opener? On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 ASchulberg@aol.com wrote: > > NP: Just another high, this would have made the most fantastic opener > > for Siren, It's such a statement, incredible. > > Oh, no. It's the perfect closer for a song cycle that begins with > LITD, takes the singer (and listener) through love's highs and lows > and then ends on the upbeat of "Nightingale" and then the cynical > "Just Another High". The sequencing of that album is VERY deliberate, > IMHO. I agree about the sequencing, but I'm honestly curious about why you think "Just Another High" is cynical. Colleen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:10:57 EDT From: AMeyersLD@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: avalon-digest V6 #393 In a message dated 8/24/01 9:18:50 AM, ASchulberg@AOL.COM writes: << Um, Andy and Phil aren't exactly matinee idols, are they? Maybe in their younger days, but now? >> I think Phil has aged extremely well. He and Bryan and to a lesser extent Paul have given me hope that I might look okay in my mid 50's. Andy, on the other hand, looks a lot like William Shatner these days..... Andrew in Chicago (Playing the Manchester Boot!) ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 19:01:59 -0700 (PDT) From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: matinee idols They all looked great! Chris Spedding still had the 50's pompadour. Andy looked very cool, like a professor. Paul looked great with his buzz cut. Phil had orange hair when I saw him. I think he tried to dye it a strawberry blonde? Bryan looked a little tired, but great for his age. - --- AMeyersLD@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/24/01 9:18:50 AM, > ASchulberg@AOL.COM writes: > > << Um, Andy and Phil aren't exactly matinee idols, > are they? Maybe in their > younger days, but now? >> > > I think Phil has aged extremely well. He and Bryan > and to a lesser extent > Paul have given me hope that I might look okay in my > mid 50's. Andy, on the > other hand, looks a lot like William Shatner these > days..... > Andrew in Chicago (Playing the Manchester Boot!) *** ===== Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 15:27:38 +1200 From: Kamaya.Yates@police.govt.nz Subject: [AVALON] Re: For your pleasure/Wasteland - Why shouldn't we... Wolfgang Iser's reader response theory suggests that an artist/poet's intentions at the time of writing bear no relevance to the work itself. (now it is has been a while since I read his stuff but I think this is the gist of it) It is the reader - with their own feelings and memories that bring substance and meaning to a piece of writing. Therefore no 'reading' is true or correct - The only meaning within that piece of writing is brought to it by to the person who is reading it at the time. Life is filled with infinite possibilities and to each his or her own journey but it is our unique gift as a species to be able to share it with each other. Lets celebrate creativity and the written word. Let's face it Bryan is a poet and as such we should feel quite able to analyse/deconstruct/criticise - - it is worthy material and it has obviously touched us all in some profound way. SO Tell me about it !! I was wondering if anybody had considered the links between Boys and Girls and the novels/poetry of DH Lawrence??? Cheers Kamaya =============================================================== WARNING This message may contain information that is confidential and may be subject to the provisions of section 61A of the Police Act 1958, which creates an offence to have unlawful possession of Police documents. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or have received this message in error, you must not peruse, use, pass or copy this message or any of its contents. Also note, the views expressed in this message may not necessarily reflect those of the New Zealand Police. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:39:56 -0700 (PDT) From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Re: For your pleasure/Wasteland - Why shouldn't we... Waste Land by T.S. Eliot? - --- Kamaya.Yates@police.govt.nz wrote: > I was wondering if anybody had considered the links > between Boys and Girls > and the novels/poetry of DH Lawrence??? > Cheers > Kamaya *** ===== Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 08:04:14 +0000 From: "Andrew Shearer" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Avalonia - The Collected Works Hi All I understand where Chris is coming from with his comments (though I know some who would disagree that Bitter Sweet, Triptych and Psalm are pastiches and find a personal resonace with them). Wasn't it Lennon who said that everyone seems to find all these meanings to his songs that he hadn't even thought of? I suspect that there's an element of this happening with us now. However, I must say, that I find it fascinating and educational (and sometimes, yes, amusing) the contributions on the list to these discussions. Last year we had I think Casanova, and Three and Nine amongst others. Some of the analysis covered material I was already aware of but there was a great deal that hadn't even occured to me. And I feel this is one of the great things about Avalon. I would even go as far to say that maybe we try to collate these discussions. Maybe one day we'll want to produce a book containing them though I don't think this should be the motivation for discussion. However if in the future we thought this was a worthwhile exercise it would take great deal of effort to sift through all the posts. Can I suggest then that maybe any dissucions about songs are prefixed in the subject line with SOTW for example? That way we can set up rules to put these mails in a specific folder and it'll be easier to collate. Does anybody else think this is a good idea? Actually, writing this, Volumes 2 and 3 have just occured to me: Avalonia Vol. 2 "When I met..." Avalonia Vol 3 " The Mass Debates" Regards, Andrew PS Some of the above was heartfelt, some throw away (;-) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #405 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest