From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #386 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Saturday, August 18 2001 Volume 06 : Number 386 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Ferry's 'new' Album ["Robert Whiteford" ] Re: [AVALON] Can I get a head count? [lorelei@zoom.co.uk] [AVALON] Roxy in Melbourne [Scotty ] Re: [AVALON] Si and Bry ["Becky Payne" ] Re: [AVALON] Roxy in Melbourne ["Robert Whiteford" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry's 'new' Album ["thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's 'new' Album Ferry's stuff is always of a very high standard (well except for ATAP, In Your Mind and Taxi maybe) . It is more likely on balance that he hasn't released it for some neurotic reason than because it's rubbish. Can you imagine Ferry/Eno coming up with rubbish? The amont of time taken to produce it (unlike IYM and Taxi incidentally) makes it unlikely to be poor. I mean some of this must be his work in progress for Mamouna and that was OK - although not helped in any shape or form by the interminable delays in releasing it. Very high standard I would suggest means "at least as brilliant as usual" - and no reason not to get it out to the public. Cheers Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cassidy, Chris J (CCS)" To: Sent: 17 August 2001 22:46 Subject: [AVALON] Ferry's 'new' Album > Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:18:04 +0100 > From: "thom.wallace" > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's new album ROCK V 60's > > >The bulk of this stuff is sittimg in the cans mixed and is of a very > >high standard. > > Is it possible to articulate/describe for us poor beggars waiting for the > crumbs to fall off the table what you mean by 'very high standard'? > > > again I can only say that this is how I read things > > Now you wouldn't be holding anything back from us, would you Thomas? > > Regards > > Chris > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 06:07:19 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: [AVALON] Geography 101 One of the boots I mentioned earlier is listed as performed in Painter`s Mill, NY. However, the only reference to a Painter`s Mill I can find is in Owens Mill, MD. where there`s a Painter`s Mill Music theater and an annual fair of some kind. Is there a Painter`s Mill in New York? I also came across a Painter`s Mill apartments in Houston (what a stupid name for apartments) but I doubt Roxy performed there. Any wisdom? Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 11:14:36 +0100 (BST) From: lorelei@zoom.co.uk Subject: Re: [AVALON] Can I get a head count? Quoting avalon-digest : > Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:26:18 -0700 (PDT) > From: Rickmond Wong > Subject: [AVALON] Can I get a head count? > > Hey Avalonians! > > Just curious, but can I get a head count of the people > under, say, my age (26) on this list? Seeing you guys > talk about how most of the concert-goers so far have > been in their thirties, I'm just wondering if any of > you out there, like me, discovered Roxy AFTER they > broke up, how that came about, and how you came to > appreciate them now. I don't want to draw lines > between Roxy fans, but I am curious about other > "younger" fans out there and how we found our way to > Avalon. I hope I'm not making anybody feel old by > bringing this up; you're only as old as you feel > anyway (and sometimes, I do feel very, very old =). > But whatever. Is anybody on this list in their TEENS > even? If so, I'd like to give you a round of > applause. I'm 17. I know I'm a bit far behind, but I'm stuck behind at least 10 digests . . . - -- Laura Get your own zoom email - click here - http://www.zoom.co.uk/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 04:03:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Scotty Subject: [AVALON] Roxy in Melbourne Hello again everybody, The Melbourne show was fabulous. Having flown to Brisbane last week for the first concert on Australian soil, I was certainly not surprised by anything that Roxy produced, but I thought that they enjoyed the crowd response much more in Melbourne. It was hard to gauge the crowd numbers....Rod Laver Arena was configured in a scaled down mode, so there was probably 6 - 8000. The band delivered the same set list as in Brisbane. My two kids thought the concert was awesome...my 16-year-old marvelled at Roxy's power. Despite the cold night air, my 14-year-old daughter convinced me to hang around after the concert for a glimpse of Bryan and the others.....although we couldn't get downstairs thanks to the security personnel, we were able to see the stage door exit from above. We were rewarded with an appearance from Bryan and Andy about 50 minutes after the show finished....a cheery smile and a hello from Bryan and then a slow farewell wave out of the car window as they were driven off into the night! It was worth the wait. It was also terrific to catch up with Avalonian Shelley from Canberra...we met up prior to the show and then had a quick chat afterwards. A true Roxy devotee and a delight to meet! The only down side of the evening was the fact that I was seated in front of a couple of morons who felt compelled to kick my seat (out of time) along with the music. I did ask politely for them to stop only to have a more forceful series of kicks directed at the chair for the next song. I don't think I've been so close to belting the crap out of someone for quite some time. A remarkable piece of restraint from yours truly. So, all in all, a fantastic few days for me - seeing my all-time favourite band twice, meeting up with Avalonians in Brisbane and Melbourne, and being able to share the experience of Roxy Music with my kids. Life just doesn't get much better than this. Scotty Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 13:07:53 +0000 From: "Becky Payne" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Si and Bry How recently did your mum knit this jumper for you ??? Becky x > >Yeah! But I bet Bry's mam never knitted him a ROXY MUSIC jumper! My mum did >for me... I've still got it too! > >SimonG (not Bates nor likely to be, nasty bloke) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:14:19 +0100 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy in Melbourne I had a rather similar experience although not quite so bad at Wembley Arena. If the row behing me had wanted a meeting they could have booked a bloody conference room not tickets to see a show and LISTEN to music. Cheer, clap,stand up, dance - whatever but PAY ATTENTION and learn some manners ! I haven't seen many reviews of this show (friday) ....Jane what did you think ? I had a dodgy seat way up the back at one side which possibly didn't help, but I thought the audience was flat and I wished this material had been done in one of the stand up outdoor venues of last summer. The material was pretty powerful and Ferry in great form - but there wasn't the beauty of Ferry's ATGB band in action. Something missing. I came away from the RFH thoroughly inspired - but came away from Wembley feeling I'd seen a "product". Cut out these interminable solo's as well !! Both Ends Burning was great as was Viginia Plain and For Your Pleasure. Cheers Rob Scotty wrote : > that I was seated in front of a couple of morons > who felt compelled to kick my seat (out of time) > along with the music. I did ask politely for > them to stop only to have a more forceful series > of kicks directed at the chair for the next song. > I don't think I've been so close to belting the > crap out of someone for quite some time. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 09:20:05 EDT From: KarenASwenson@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] CONCERTO for 14.99? I have a couple comments on Concerto. (I've been away for five days without the WWW or Roxy material so I can enjoy them anew now!) If you get this set, it's great, BUT open it carefully on a soft surface, as it's the cruddiest jewel box ever. I opened mine, and Disk One merrilly dropped and bounced on the linoleum. Luckily, no damage, although Disk Two is where its at as far as I'm concerned anyway. This happened again a couple times, but over carpeting. I'm planning to pitch the original case and put them into two "normal" jewel boxes with a dupe of the artwork for one. The version of MOP is the craziest live version I've ever heard of any R/BF song. I kept picturing Tom Jones instead of Mr. Ferry, the way it wallows in camp crooner excess. I was a bit worried that's the way MOP is always performed live, as we sadly didn't get it in Chi., but the Manchester set allayed my fears. How is it in other performances on disk? It's a very weird treatment for a song that upon examination is a moving ode to cocaine. I know BF is the consummate persona as far as this sort of interpretation goes, but it works better on covers, in my opinion. BTW is anyone else familiar with Johnette Napolitano's (Pretty and Twisted) version? She leaves out some verses and is somewhat abrasive as a singer, but I still like it. Do I recall TGPT has played drums with her band? Karen ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 15:56:17 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy in Melbourne Which interminable solo's? I would have loved the guitar/oboe/violin version of ITIS (Viva! style). I really don't think they could have edited the show anymore than it is, you might as well have sat Bryan down at the piano and sent the rest of the band home. This tour is about ROXY MUSIC the GROUP, I went to see Phil & Andy, to hear them play as well as hear their singer sing! Terry "O" NP:U2 Elevation. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Whiteford To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy in Melbourne > I came away from the RFH > thoroughly inspired - but came away from Wembley feeling I'd seen a > "product". Cut out these interminable solo's as well !! Both Ends Burning > was great as was Viginia Plain and For Your Pleasure. > > Cheers > > Rob > > > Scotty wrote : > > > that I was seated in front of a couple of morons > > who felt compelled to kick my seat (out of time) > > along with the music. I did ask politely for > > them to stop only to have a more forceful series > > of kicks directed at the chair for the next song. > > I don't think I've been so close to belting the > > crap out of someone for quite some time. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 16:03:16 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's 'new' Album They came pretty close on "Wildcat Days", but I do like 7 of the tracks on Mamouna, in fact I would call them Great. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Whiteford To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's 'new' Album > Can you imagine Ferry/Eno coming up with rubbish? > > Cheers > Rob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cassidy, Chris J (CCS)" > To: > Sent: 17 August 2001 22:46 > Subject: [AVALON] Ferry's 'new' Album > > > > Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:18:04 +0100 > > From: "thom.wallace" > > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's new album ROCK V 60's > > > > >The bulk of this stuff is sittimg in the cans mixed and is of a very > > >high standard. > > > > Is it possible to articulate/describe for us poor beggars waiting for the > > crumbs to fall off the table what you mean by 'very high standard'? > > > > > again I can only say that this is how I read things > > > > Now you wouldn't be holding anything back from us, would you Thomas? > > > > Regards > > > > Chris > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:00:34 +0100 From: "SIMON GALLOWAY" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Si and Bry Just last Christmas actually..... ;-) Only kidding! Christmas 1982, needless to say it no longer fits. If I can find a picture I'll get it posted somewhere... SimonG - ---------- >From: "Becky Payne" >To: avalon@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [AVALON] Si and Bry >Date: Sat, Aug 18, 2001, 2:07 pm > > How recently did your mum knit this jumper for you ??? > > Becky x > > >> >>Yeah! But I bet Bry's mam never knitted him a ROXY MUSIC jumper! My mum did >>for me... I've still got it too! >> >>SimonG (not Bates nor likely to be, nasty bloke) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:17:58 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's 'new' Album - ----- Original Message ----- From: terrypaulrigz8c To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's 'new' Album > They came pretty close on "Wildcat Days", but I do like 7 of the tracks on > Mamouna, in fact I would call them Great. I must admit that "Wildcat Days" is one of the weakest tracks ever to have appeared on a Ferry album. However if you enjoyed the bulk of Mamouna you would enjoy the bulk of the tracks that were recorded post - Mamouna, indeed I thought quite a lot were superior to a lot of the tracks on Mamouna. If the Eno track from the new album is the same one as I heard then it's a fine track. Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:28:56 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Plans For Next Year? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Strimples To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 3:41 AM Subject: [AVALON] Ferry's Plans For Next Year? > If Bryan tours next year for his new album, does anyone think that The > Great Paul Thompson > might do the drumming? Just wondering. > Steve Who can ever be sure of anything concerning Ferry. If he were to tour the next albums I'd put my money on the band featuring Colin Good, Lucy Wilkins with possibly Zev Katz and Julia Thornton featuring as well. A lot will depend on whether or not these musicians have any work booked for next year. As for Paul Thompson I think that it could depend on a number of things: How Ferry feels about his work on the Roxy tour. Who has played on the drums on the new album. Whether or not he would want to draw to many comparisons between his solo band and the current Roxy line-up. If there were to be a Roxy project agreed for 2001/2. Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 09:43:37 -0700 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Plans For Next Year? There's no question that Paul has (once again) proven himself to be the foundation of Roxy Music. If we look at Ferry's track record, Thompson also features prominently on Ferry's best solo albums. I'm sure you'll argue that other albums sold more which didn't include Thompson. But Ferry's got a nice bank account. Let's hope he goes for quality and not quantity. Studio musicians are a dime a dozen. There's only one Paul Thompson. on 8/18/01 9:28 AM, thom.wallace at thom.wallace@ntlworld.com wrote: > As for Paul Thompson I think that it could depend on a number of things: > > How Ferry feels about his work on the Roxy tour. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 18:08:56 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's 'new' Album Unfortunatly for the majority of people on the we can only comment on what we have in our own collections. How do you get to hear these tracks TOM? Terry "O" NP: Welcome to the Pleasure Dome - FGTH - ----- Original Message ----- From: thom.wallace To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's 'new' Album > ----- Original Message ----- > From: terrypaulrigz8c > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 4:03 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's 'new' Album > > > > They came pretty close on "Wildcat Days", but I do like 7 of the tracks on > > Mamouna, in fact I would call them Great. > > I must admit that "Wildcat Days" is one of the weakest tracks ever to have > appeared on a Ferry album. However if you enjoyed the bulk of Mamouna you > would enjoy the bulk of the tracks that were recorded post - Mamouna, indeed > I thought quite a lot were superior to a lot of the tracks on Mamouna. If > the Eno track from the new album is the same one as I heard then it's a fine > track. > > Tom. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 18:23:51 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Plans For Next Year? - ----- Original Message ----- From: David Firmin To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Plans For Next Year? > There's no question that Paul has (once again) proven himself to be the > foundation of Roxy Music. If we look at Ferry's track record, Thompson also > features prominently on Ferry's best solo albums. I would argue that not only Ferry, But Manzanera and Mackay have realised just how good a drummer Thopson is and how much the band lost after his exit. However it's a little to easy to say that he played on Ferry's bast solo albums. That all depends on how different folks see the albums, personally I play Bete Noire, Taxi and Mamouna a lot more than I play These Foolish Things, Another Time Another Place or In Your Mind. Thompson could quite easily fill the drum seat if Ferry were to tour next year, but I think that a decision on whether Thompson were to be included or not would depend on more than Thompson being a good drummer or not. > I'm sure you'll argue that > other albums sold more which didn't include Thompson. But Ferry's got a nice > bank account. Let's hope he goes for quality and not quantity. Studio > musicians are a dime a dozen. There's only one Paul Thompson. No I wouldm't argue that album sales would dictate who plays on a session or a tour and I don't see what your point on Ferry's bank account has to do with it. It's very easy to shout "There's only one Paul Thompson", but come on how can we make sweeing statements about who should play what when we don't even know if there is to be a tour or what material may or may not be played on it.. Personally it wouldn't bother me if he were to tour as part of a backing band on a Ferry tour, but I'm not going to start making noises one way or the other for a tour that may never happen anyway. Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:37:29 -0700 From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Plans For Next Year? Thom your points are well taken. I just don't think a lot of fans realize the magnitude of Paul's contribution to some of the best albums in the Roxy catalogue. Please take look at the albums that Paul has contribution to: Brian Eno - Here Come the Warm Jets (1974) Bryan Ferry - These Foolish Things (1973) Bryan Ferry - Another Time, Another Place (1974) Bryan Ferry - Let's Stick Together (1976) Bryan Ferry - In Your Mind (1977) Andy Mackay - In Search of Eddie Riff (1974) Andy Mackay - Resolving Contradictions (1978) Phil Manzanera - Diamond Head (1975) Phil Manzanera - K Scope (1978) Roxy Music - Roxy Music (1972) Roxy Music - For Your Pleasure (1973) Roxy Music - Stranded (1973) Roxy Music - Country Life (1974) Roxy Music - Siren (1975) Roxy Music - Viva! (1976) Roxy Music - Manifesto (1979) Thanks, David on 8/18/01 10:23 AM, thom.wallace at thom.wallace@ntlworld.com wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Firmin > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 5:43 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Plans For Next Year? > > >> There's no question that Paul has (once again) proven himself to be the >> foundation of Roxy Music. If we look at Ferry's track record, Thompson > also >> features prominently on Ferry's best solo albums. > > I would argue that not only Ferry, But Manzanera and Mackay have realised > just how good a drummer Thopson is and how much the band lost after his > exit. However it's a little to easy to say that he played on Ferry's bast > solo albums. That all depends on how different folks see the albums, > personally I play Bete Noire, Taxi and Mamouna a lot more than I play These > Foolish Things, Another Time Another Place or In Your Mind. Thompson could > quite easily fill the drum seat if Ferry were to tour next year, but I think > that a decision on whether Thompson were to be included or not would depend > on more than Thompson being a good drummer or not. > >> I'm sure you'll argue that >> other albums sold more which didn't include Thompson. But Ferry's got a > nice >> bank account. Let's hope he goes for quality and not quantity. Studio >> musicians are a dime a dozen. There's only one Paul Thompson. > > No I wouldm't argue that album sales would dictate who plays on a session or > a tour and I don't see what your point on Ferry's bank account has to do > with it. It's very easy to shout "There's only one Paul Thompson", but come > on how can we make sweeing statements about who should play what when we > don't even know if there is to be a tour or what material may or may not be > played on it.. Personally it wouldn't bother me if he were to tour as part > of a backing band on a Ferry tour, but I'm not going to start making noises > one way or the other for a tour that may never happen anyway. > > Tom. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 18:45:56 +0100 From: "Philip Adams" Subject: [AVALON] Lifetime Achievement Awards I'll be looking out in the next six months for the Q Awards and the , er......., Brits for proper recogniton by the British record industry of Ferry's and Roxy's contribution to music. If not now, when? Philip ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 19:37:03 +0100 From: "ncjones.lewis2" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lifetime Achievement Awards I would say that the nostalgia theme of both the tour and the award would mean that this would be the best opportunity for a Brit L.A.A., so to answer your question, if not now, then never! The opportunity was there (IMO) in 1992 and 1997 for the 20/25 year anniversary, both passed up. Another contender (from the nostalgia angle) would be ELO, or even more likely Victoria Beckham who will be celebrating a staggering 7(ish) years in the industry....and may have something to flog :-) Cheers Neil - ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip Adams To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 6:45 PM Subject: [AVALON] Lifetime Achievement Awards > I'll be looking out in the next six months for the Q Awards and the , > er......., Brits for proper recogniton by the British record industry of > Ferry's and Roxy's contribution to music. > > If not now, when? > > Philip > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 20:41:46 +0000 From: "C. H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Plans For Next Year? I would really welcome TGPT in the drummer's seat for some of Ferry's solo stuff - if it fits in with the musical style. Now, as we can hear the difference between the 80s Roxy tour line-ups and 2001, it's remarkable to what an extent his wonderful drumming constitutes Roxy's sound. Though I think his style of drumming wouldn't have been 100% suitable on Mamouna or so, and you can hardly consider Steve Ferrone quantity over quality. All deserved praise to Paul, you're right, David, but I think other good drumming contributions should be credited as well. And I wonder whether he really is THE foundation of Roxy Music. To me, the foundation of Roxy has always been its founder (my def. of foundation: that which has to be present to make the thing exist as what it is in a wider sense). If they resolve to actually doing more than this 2001 tour, they should keep PT and, if he agrees, make him a full member again. Christian NP: John Cale - Taking Your Life In Your Hands - ---------- >Von: David Firmin >An: >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Plans For Next Year? >Datum: Sam, 18. Aug 2001 16:43 Uhr > >There's no question that Paul has (once again) proven himself to be the >foundation of Roxy Music. If we look at Ferry's track record, Thompson also >features prominently on Ferry's best solo albums. I'm sure you'll argue that >other albums sold more which didn't include Thompson. But Ferry's got a nice >bank account. Let's hope he goes for quality and not quantity. Studio >musicians are a dime a dozen. There's only one Paul Thompson. > > >on 8/18/01 9:28 AM, thom.wallace at thom.wallace@ntlworld.com wrote: > >> As for Paul Thompson I think that it could depend on a number of things: >> >> How Ferry feels about his work on the Roxy tour. > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 20:42:30 +0000 From: "C. H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lifetime Achievement Awards Never, unfortunately. Why bother with one of the most innovative bands ever to have emerged when you can grace U2 and REM with further awards regardless of what they're doing. If REM (a good band) recorded an album of harmonicas crushing ants, Q would give them the "Fluxus Award for Going Far Beyond LaMonteYoungJohnCageetal." Christian ANP*: John Cale - Dead Or Alive * Newspeak for "AND now playing" - ---------- >Von: "Philip Adams" >An: >Betreff: [AVALON] Lifetime Achievement Awards >Datum: Sam, 18. Aug 2001 17:45 Uhr > >I'll be looking out in the next six months for the Q Awards and the , >er......., Brits for proper recogniton by the British record industry of >Ferry's and Roxy's contribution to music. > >If not now, when? > >Philip > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 20:41:45 +0200 From: "Stefan Thomsen" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lifetime Achievement Awards What about The Osmonds? Time for them? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. H. Soetemann" To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Lifetime Achievement Awards > Never, unfortunately. Why bother with one of the most innovative bands ever > to have emerged when you can grace U2 and REM with further awards regardless > of what they're doing. If REM (a good band) recorded an album of harmonicas > crushing ants, Q would give them the "Fluxus Award for Going Far Beyond > LaMonteYoungJohnCageetal." > > Christian > > ANP*: John Cale - Dead Or Alive > > * Newspeak for "AND now playing" > > ---------- > >Von: "Philip Adams" > >An: > >Betreff: [AVALON] Lifetime Achievement Awards > >Datum: Sam, 18. Aug 2001 17:45 Uhr > > > > >I'll be looking out in the next six months for the Q Awards and the , > >er......., Brits for proper recogniton by the British record industry of > >Ferry's and Roxy's contribution to music. > > > >If not now, when? > > > >Philip > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >The subliminable footer says: > >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > >unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 20:21:56 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Plans For Next Year? - ----- Original Message ----- From: David Firmin To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Plans For Next Year? > Thom your points are well taken. I just don't think a lot of fans realize > the magnitude of Paul's contribution to some of the best albums in the Roxy > catalogue. I think they do, look at the reception he's had on this tour. Sure we can voice an opinion for or against, but opinions are all they are. The only one who has the right to make the decision about who to work with live or in the studio is Ferry. Can anybody put their hand up and say that Thompson would have improved the material played on ATGB? It's fine to show what his contribution had been 73 - 80, but those were different times and different music. There wasn't an album on your list that I haven't had since it was first released, but they still don't say that Paul Thompson is king of the drummers. Like every other musician he has his strengths and his weaknesses and I'm pretty sure the he himself would acknowledge that. In the end it's all hypothetical, there may not be a Ferry tour next year. I'm sure if Roxy were to play more shows in 2002 that Thompson would be involved again, but then who knows for sure what will happen next not I that's for sure. Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:58:28 -0700 (PDT) From: David Firmin Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Plans For Next Year? Yes, I really liked ATGB and I agree that PT would have been a little too heavy for that (no pun intended). I've tried and tried to appreciate Ferry's post-Thompson work, but I can never fully grasp that aural wallpaper. Eno captured it best, when he said: Paul (Thompson, the drummer) wanted to be John Bonham. He really held it all together. Without Paul, he notes, without a trace of irony, Roxy would have been art rock at its worst. http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/interviews/qmag90.html Thanks, David - --- "thom.wallace" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Firmin > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 6:37 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's Plans For Next Year? > > > > Thom your points are well taken. I just don't > think a lot of fans realize > > the magnitude of Paul's contribution to some of > the best albums in the > Roxy > > catalogue. > > I think they do, look at the reception he's had on > this tour. Sure we can > voice an opinion for or against, but opinions are > all they are. The only one > who has the right to make the decision about who to > work with live or in the > studio is Ferry. Can anybody put their hand up and > say that Thompson would > have improved the material played on ATGB? It's fine > to show what his > contribution had been 73 - 80, but those were > different times and different > music. There wasn't an album on your list that I > haven't had since it was > first released, but they still don't say that Paul > Thompson is king of the > drummers. Like every other musician he has his > strengths and his weaknesses > and I'm pretty sure the he himself would acknowledge > that. > > In the end it's all hypothetical, there may not be a > Ferry tour next year. > I'm sure if Roxy were to play more shows in 2002 > that Thompson would be > involved again, but then who knows for sure what > will happen next not I > that's for sure. > > Tom. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 22:05:11 +0100 From: "Robert Whiteford" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy in Melbourne Ladytron, While My Heart is still beating and My Only Love spring to mind ................. Original Message ----- From: "terrypaulrigz8c" To: Sent: 18 August 2001 15:56 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy in Melbourne > Which interminable solo's? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 23:40:18 +0100 From: "terrypaulrigz8c" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy in Melbourne Did anyone else notice these "interminable solos", I thought this was an appreciative list. Terry "O" NP: Sylvester: Mighty Real, well it is Saturday night! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Whiteford To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy in Melbourne > Ladytron, While My Heart is still beating and My Only Love spring to mind > ................. > > > Original Message ----- > From: "terrypaulrigz8c" > To: > Sent: 18 August 2001 15:56 > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Roxy in Melbourne > > > > Which interminable solo's? > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #386 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest