From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #383 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, August 17 2001 Volume 06 : Number 383 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] Ferry's new album ROCK V 60's ["Robert Whiteford" ] RE: [AVALON] roxy boots before manifesto [Rick ] Re: [AVALON] Wow!!!!!! [KWil632057@aol.com] [AVALON] Bjork ["Cassidy, Chris J (CCS)" ] Re: [AVALON] Wow!!!!!! ["A.L. Jepson" ] [AVALON] Bootlegs/Grateful Dead - off-topic [Aleks Kocan ] Re: [AVALON] Bootlegs/Grateful Dead - off-topic ["R. Jackson" ] Re: [AVALON] Ferry's new album ROCK V 60's ["thom.wallace" ] [AVALON] Roxy bootlegs/Funky Chic/Chance Meeting [Aleks Kocan ] [AVALON] Bootlegs ["michael ferguson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's new album ROCK V 60's Tom, thanks for this info . I hope you are right and certainly before ATGB was released I would have been amazed at the reaction he generated. It is great to see the maestro hot property again. I'd like to see him maintain this profile with a solo release whilst he still is "news". I can see I should have chosen my words more carefullly on the ROCK v' 60's debate ! I am not entirely sure of my facts but I think Ferry spoke about his next release being a "rock" album in an interview - the context led me to believe this was an original composition album. Subsequently I understood from a list member that the next album was likely to be 60's covers recorded as you say post Mamouna and even possibly post ATGB. Then there was a suggestion that he had taken certain ATGB band members into the studio to re-record some of his new material - not sure if this was the 60's covers or the originals album. And then there is also the question of the Horoscope/Mamouna work in progress and the material with Brian Eno. If you know what has become of the above I'd be grateful - from your post it seems the next album may be a combination of originals & covers. I think Ferry's cause would be much better served by maintaining a solo profile of consistently released material - he must a lot in the can. Cheers Rob - ----- Original Message ----- From: "thom.wallace" To: Sent: 17 August 2001 01:39 Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's new album (long post). > ---- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Whiteford > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 10:36 AM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's new album. > > > > So how many people actually believe this album will be released in > February? > > Still I live in hope. > > Rob, I really think this album will appear in February, snip> As a Roxy/Ferry fan I reckon that there is a lot to "live in hope" for in > over the coming year or two, who knows there could well be some very > interesting surprises along the way. > > Tom. > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:32:02 +0100 From: "A.L. Jepson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Punk connection [was: Related Topic] Roxy certainly did influence Punk as one of the first bands formed by Steve Jones and Paul Cook was called The Strand. Also, Siouxsie met the rest of her band at a Roxy gig and hey presto! Siouxsie & the Banshees were formed. Alan Guy Lawley wrote: > > Seems to me this is really 2 questions: > > (1) Did Roxy influence the punk bands? > > I saw The Filth & The Fury (Sex Pistols story) a couple of days ago, and > around 7 minutes into the film, when Steve Jones* is discussing his > influences, we are treated to a bit of Roxy... without giving anything away, > I think director Julien Temple works the clip into the narrative extremely > wittily. If you haven't seen it, the DVD is part of HMV's 2 for 20 quid > offer right now. (Bowie was another big influence, as Jones also says.) > There's plenty of other evidence, but seeing TFATF so recently, and being so > thrilled at seeing Roxy featured like that, I rest my case at this point. > > (2) If you were already a Roxy fan in '76, were you more likely to get into > punk? > > My own experience says "Yes! Definitely!" but that could just be me. I think > to be a Roxy fan was to appreciate something non-mainstream, off-the-wall; > visually, lyrically and musically challenging. Does that sound like Punk? > Works for me. So Roxy fans were more likely to get into punk than the > average bod. Of course, a lot of punks and punk fans were too young to have > been into Roxy before. For them, punk was the equivalent of Roxy/Bowie a few > years earlier; a blast of fresh air** in a stagnant musical atmosphere. > Something guaranteed to alienate the older folks etc. > > Guy > > * Sex Pistols guitarist, for you young people > ** OK, maybe not so "fresh", more garbage-scented, in the case of punk > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of > InterEireann@aol.com > Sent: 15 August 2001 19:53 > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: [AVALON] Related Topic > > All these lists of how Roxy titles are catalogued by people got me thinking > about how certain taste appear with some Roxy fans. > > For example, I have often heard it siad that there is a connection between > punf rock and early Roxy music ( some punk rockers have often cited Roxy as > a fav. band.) I got into it in the 70s, not the spitting etc, but the Sex > Pistols, Clash etc and also Eddie and The Hotrods ( who if memory serves me > right did a great version of 96 tears ( ref to earlier discussion re: > Ferry's likes ).. > Was there such a connection or just coincidence that a lot of fans of Roxy > Music liked punk later in the 70s? > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:43:59 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: [AVALON] John Foxx (off topic) Having noticed that some folk had mentioned John Foxx a few weeks back I thought I'd let you know that he will be playing the Mean Fidler in London on September 15th. This is to promote his new album, his first since '95 as far as I know. Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:47:13 +0100 From: "A.L. Jepson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] John Foxx (off topic) How would you describe John Foxx's solo material? It is it similar to early Ultravox? Alan "thom.wallace" wrote: > > Having noticed that some folk had mentioned John Foxx a few weeks back I > thought I'd let you know that he will be playing the Mean Fidler in London > on September 15th. This is to promote his new album, his first since '95 as > far as I know. > > Tom. > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 04:34:55 -0400 From: Rick Subject: RE: [AVALON] roxy boots before manifesto At least one! - -----Original Message----- From: tmoq [SMTP:tmoq@pipeline.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:43 PM To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: Re: [AVALON] roxy boots before manifesto An idea of treeing some early material that has never been treed or bootlegged before is being kicked around. These are audience recordings of varying qualities but all are quite listenable, entertaining and grand performances. On the top of the pile is a '74 Berlin performance from the Country Life tour, a '74 New York show from the Stranded tour and a '73 Sheffield show with Eno, among others. Audience recordings are an acquired taste but for those who appreciate the performance over sound quality these shows are outstanding and it`s the only thing we have until the powers that be give us what we really want........LIVE!!! But how many people would be interested in these recordings..........? Gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [AVALON] roxy boots before manifesto > hi > if anyone has any bootlegs from this era,please could you send me info about > what you have? > ta very much! > steph > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef] ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 05:16:46 EDT From: KWil632057@aol.com Subject: Re: [AVALON] Wow!!!!!! Everyone, Has everybody had at least a cursory look a www.vivaroxymusic.com ? Seems to me that, if you have any questions and queries re: the worlds greatest bad (TM). This should be yr first port of call! Viva forever!! Jonathan ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:27:22 +0100 From: "Cassidy, Chris J (CCS)" Subject: [AVALON] Bjork Saw her at the Symphony Hall in Birmingham (fantastic venue/acoustics) a couple of years ago and she gave an incredible performance - what a voice!! There was one guy on synths/tapes etc.. (Eno-like) and a string section centre stage front - she was strangely quite a way over to the right if I recall and looked like an angel off the top of a Xmas tree. The audience were fairly subdued early on and about half way through she sat down and announced that if we were going to sit down she would to but if we'd get on our feet so would she. So everyone did. I believe she's about to tour again and is apparently playing rather unusual venues - probably catch her in the local ICELAND then! Chris Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:22:13 +0100 From: Michael Hill Subject: RE: [AVALON] Can I get a head count? Bjork, anyone? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:34:23 +0100 From: "A.L. Jepson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bjork Oh you comedian you. Very witty indeed. Alan "Cassidy, Chris J (CCS)" wrote: I believe she's about to tour > again and is apparently playing rather unusual venues - probably catch her > in the local ICELAND then! > > Chris > > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:22:13 +0100 > From: Michael Hill > Subject: RE: [AVALON] Can I get a head count? > > Bjork, anyone? > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:41:40 +0100 From: "A.L. Jepson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Wow!!!!!! I've just visited it myself and I definitely agree. Alan KWil632057@aol.com wrote: > > Everyone, > > Has everybody had at least a cursory look a > www.vivaroxymusic.com ? > Seems to me that, if you have any questions and queries re: the worlds > greatest bad (TM). This should be yr first port of call! > > Viva forever!! > Jonathan > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 02:45:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: [AVALON] Bootlegs/Grateful Dead - off-topic - --- PeterT23 wrote: > seems archaic to me, schooled as I am in the > Grateful Dead inspired tape / > cd trading scene. Maybe someone can confirm if this is true or not, but i was once told that the Grateful Dead used to provide facilities for fans to plug in their recording equipment into the sound desk at gigs in an attempt to "combat" the bootleggers. Aleks Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:07:16 +0100 From: "Cassidy, Chris J (CCS)" Subject: [AVALON] Yes Saw them around the same time at the Birmingham Hippodrome - was that the tour when they made their entrance through the mouth of an enormous fish! The whole of topographic oceans (having not heard it previously) however was just a tad heavy going! Chris Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:32:36 -0500 From: "PeterT23" Subject: [AVALON] Yes - info and offer (off-topic) >...saw Yes in 1973 ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:12:23 +0000 From: "C. H. Soetemann" Subject: Re: [AVALON] John Foxx (off topic) He still does numbers from early Ultravox!, but on the whole he's gone much more into an electronic direction, some techno and drum 'n bass influences I would say, in a very interesting mixture. The other thread of his solo work (he has worked with Harold Budd) goes into a more ambient direction, with the "Cathedral Oceans" stuff probably describable as choral ambient, or maybe not (Ferryesque turn at the end of the sentence). Christian - ---------- >Von: "A.L. Jepson" >An: avalon@smoe.org >Betreff: Re: [AVALON] John Foxx (off topic) >Datum: Fre, 17. Aug 2001 8:47 Uhr > >How would you describe John Foxx's solo material? It is it similar to >early Ultravox? > >Alan > >"thom.wallace" wrote: >> >> Having noticed that some folk had mentioned John Foxx a few weeks back I >> thought I'd let you know that he will be playing the Mean Fidler in London >> on September 15th. This is to promote his new album, his first since '95 as >> far as I know. >> >> Tom. >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> The subliminable footer says: >> To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >> unsubscribe avalon > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:22:26 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] John Foxx (off topic) - ----- Original Message ----- From: A.L. Jepson To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] John Foxx (off topic) > How would you describe John Foxx's solo material? It is it similar to > early Ultravox? Haven't a clue. I bought the first Ultravox single and enjoyed the first album to a point, but never bothered after that. Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:27:08 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP - ----- Original Message ----- From: tmoq To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 3:09 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP > While there are many good quality stereo bootlegs out > there, most of my favorite shows are audience recordings. People who base > recordings on the quality often miss out on outstanding performances, IMO. I totally agree, I've got some early live stuff that has a pretty bad sound quality, but when I go past that they also contain what were very good gigs. Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 03:29:44 -0700 From: "R. Jackson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Bootlegs/Grateful Dead - off-topic It wasn't even an attempt to combat bootlegging, since they had an open taping policy and that in itself kept it very hard for people to sell recordings of their shows. No, the Dead always felt that once their music was out there in the world it was up to the fans to do with as they would. Over the years they provided a variety of services to tapers. One of the most famous periods in the band's history was when they had mobile FM transmitters set up at shows so that fans could simply tune in and record the shows. There were problems with the American Federal Communications Commission, though, and they had to stop the broadcasts. The P.A. system at Dead shows was set up as a stereo mix, though, so tapers could simply point their mics at the left and right speaker arrays and come away with a very passable stereo mix of the show. The band even provided a taper's section that was positioned to better facilitate the process of micing the P.A. At sold-out shows the band frequently put stereo P.A. arrays out in the parking lot so people could listen and tape from there. There were periods in the band's early days when fans were occasionally allowed to patch into the house mix, but that became problematic and wasn't a practical solution for long. The band also freely distributed soundboard recordings of their shows and is rumored to be setting up a web server right now so that their entire vault of shows can be freely downloaded. I have very good audience recordings or soundboard masters of almost all the 40+ Dead shows I saw over the years. My next door neighbor saw over 300 shows and has good copies of the majority of them. When I first started taping the Dead was about the only band that allowed audience taping. In early interviews with Jerry Garcia he confided that when he was a young folkie and attending bluegrass festivals he got passionate about taping. He said that in those days (late 50's to early 60's) people would bring portable reel-to-reel recorders to shows and place them right on the stage during performances. He said that he'd never seen that done anywhere other than bluegrass festivals and found the whole scene to be very warm and friendly. That was his inspiration for encouraging a taping scene with the Dead. Anyway, the Dead influenced a lot of young American bands and now there are literally dozens of "jam bands" touring that have taping sections. I've taped some Black Crowes and GOV'T MULE shows over the last few years, but I'm not much of a taper anymore. I hate going to a show with something to do other than enjoy the show and at general admission shows I tend to like getting a lot closer to the band than a taping rig would normally allow. GOV'T MULE is playing in San Francisco in a few weeks with Les Claypool from Primus on bass and Chuck Leavell from the Rolling Stones on keys. I know there will be dozens of people taping the show, so I'll just trade for a copy a week or so after the show, 'cause when the curtain goes up I plan to be down front. ;-) - -Rob (sorry to go on so about it...) At 02:45 AM 08/17/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Maybe someone can confirm if this is true or not, but >i was once told that the Grateful Dead used to provide >facilities for fans to plug in their recording >equipment into the sound desk at gigs in an attempt to >"combat" the bootleggers. > >Aleks http://www.mediasieve.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:36:59 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Punk connection [was: Related Topic] > (1) Did Roxy influence the punk bands? The influence that Roxy had on these bands was huge. Just look at the Sex Pistols, Rottens white jacket and blue tie with white dots was a direct parody of Ferry. They also demanded to have Chris Thomas as the producer on the "Bollocks" album because of his work with Roxy, plus Rottens vocal style is a mutation of that used by Ferry on the early Roxy records. > (2) If you were already a Roxy fan in '76, were you more likely to get into > punk? Again yes. However the bulk of the Roxy fans I knew at the time saw through the punk movement pretty quick for the fakes that the bulk of its bands were. Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:54:07 +0100 From: "Chris Turner" Subject: [AVALON] G.I. Roxy The American Forces Radio and Television Services used to press up albums for issue to US Forces radio around the globe. I have a copy of an LP with half of Viva! on one side and half of the Dead's 'Steal Your Face' on the other. G.I. Roxy. A real oddity. Chris ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:18:04 +0100 From: "thom.wallace" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's new album ROCK V 60's - ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Whiteford To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's new album ROCK V 60's > Then there was a suggestion that he had taken certain ATGB band members into > the studio to re-record some of his new material - not sure if this was the > 60's covers or the originals album. Towards the end of the ATGB tour Ferry went into the studio with various members of his touring band to recorddemos/material for the new album. This is where his version of Dylan's "It's all over now baby blue" originated from. This was one of a number of Dylan tracks that were recorded at that time. > And then there is also the question of the Horoscope/Mamouna work in > progress and the material with Brian Eno. > If you know what has become of the above I'd be grateful - from your post it > seems the next album may be a combination of originals & covers. There is a lot of material of different styles in the cans that was recorded post Mamouna with some dating back through the Horoscope/Taxi/Mamouna period. The bulk of this stuff is sittimg in the cans mixed and is of a very high standard. As to the how and why of it not being released has always been a puzzle to me as there is a lot of excellent material in there. It would be quite easy to put together a four cd set of unreleased originals, covers and alternate recordings from this stuff without going back beyond these sessions. I've been lucky enough in the past to hear a about 3 cd's worth of this material and it's frustrating as a fan to know that it has not been released as the quality is very high. Please note I do not personally have any of these recordings, I wish I did. > I think Ferry's cause would be much better served by maintaining a solo > profile of consistently released material - he must a lot in the can. As to what I posted earlier, these are only my own views on what may happen next. I do know that a lot of the ATGB shows were recorded and have heard on the grapevine that every show on the current tour has also been recorded with the exception of Dublin. Sooner or later there will be a lot of stuff coming out and as neither Ferry, Manzanera, Mackay or the bulk of their fan base are getting any younger I would expect it to be sooner. again I can only say that this is how I read things, others may view the situation totally differently. Tom. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 07:14:58 -0400 From: "tmoq" Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP >People who base >recordings on the quality often miss out on outstanding performances, IMO. That was supposed to read: People who base a recording`s worth on it`s quality..... From: "Sally-Ann Barbera" > Well..that told me! Well, like I stated before, it`s an acquired taste and just as some people find the raw nature of audience recordings an assault on the senses, I find the same can be said for legitimately released live performance that are re-dubbed and over polished. What a terrible thing to do to a live performance.....it`s hardly live anymore.When was the last time you attended a concert that was played in crisp, clean, perfect stereo for an audience who only appears between songs. BORING!!! Concerts are all about the audience`s interaction with a band on their natural turf...the stage. A truly great recording is one made around an enthusiastic crowd that is really getting off on the band despite the occasional sour note or missed lyric. Like Victor said, it adds to the being there experience. Now that my work load has lightened up some I can devote more time to the list and my poor neglected and still under construction web site which contains a rather small (64 kbps...about 6 min. to download with a 56K connect ) MP3 from the '74 Berlin show. If anyone is interested then go to www.pipeline.com/~tmoq and follow the MP3 link. Gene ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 04:36:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Aleks Kocan Subject: [AVALON] Roxy bootlegs/Funky Chic/Chance Meeting - --- Grant Goggans wrote: > The people who sat down and laid out the "Chick" > sleeve, and pressed that > gorgeous red vinyl, Is this the "Why do you think I'm a Funky Chick" boot? Never knew it was also pressed in red vinyl? > cared far more about their > finished product than anyone > involved with the same year's "Roxy Music Greatest > Hits" did Quite right, "Chance Meeting" is very nicely done, nice inner labels on the records. "Oh Yeah" is also very nicely packaged with nice inner labels on the vinyl. I'd guess that "Real Cool Time" has the most humerous sleeve, having Ferry sat with a load of old blokes having a pint. Wonder how they did that sleeve - did they superimpose Ferry on a photo, or is it really a true photo of him sat in some pub in North East England?? Aleks Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:03:42 +0200 From: "jimbo" Subject: Re: [AVALON] roxy boots before manifesto Hi Gene, Do you have these gems in your posession? I really like the old stuff you know. ( the other stuff also :-) ) But the sheffield show with Eno,i think thats really great !! Maybe we trade some things. I own lots of live recordings , from other artists also. Please let me know if you are interrested. All the best, jim. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:34 AM Subject: RE: [AVALON] roxy boots before manifesto > At least one! > > -----Original Message----- > From: tmoq [SMTP:tmoq@pipeline.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:43 PM > To: avalon@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [AVALON] roxy boots before manifesto > > An idea of treeing some early material that has never been treed or > bootlegged > before is being kicked around. These are audience recordings of varying > qualities > but all are quite listenable, entertaining and grand performances. > On the top of the pile is a '74 Berlin performance from the Country Life > tour, a '74 New York show from the Stranded tour and a '73 Sheffield show > with Eno, among others. Audience recordings are an acquired taste but for > those who appreciate the performance over sound quality these shows are > outstanding and it`s the only thing we have until the powers that be give us > what we really want........LIVE!!! > But how many people would be interested in these recordings..........? > > Gene > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] roxy boots before manifesto > > > > hi > > if anyone has any bootlegs from this era,please could you send me info > about > > what you have? > > ta very much! > > steph > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > The subliminable footer says: > > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > > unsubscribe avalon > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon > > [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef] > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:15:39 +0100 From: "michael ferguson" Subject: [AVALON] Bootlegs My bootleg list is still freely available to all on the list. I will either swap for other recordings or blank CDRs. Please mail me off list for details Mike ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:23:15 -0400 From: Heather James Subject: Re: [AVALON] "Tapers Warning!!" cd burner troubles ... I don't know how many people this will affect - but I wanted to get a wrning out to you before you update. I run my computer on Win98SE and have an IDE 50x CD player, and a SCSI CD Burner ... I use the Adaptec EasyCD 4 Copier to dupe CDs ... works very well. Anyway - on Weds I upgraded to Windows Media Player 7.1 - went smoothly. On Thursday I tried to dupe a CD and EasyCD kept saying - please load a blank CD - no matter which new (blank) CD I inserted. Fortunately, I was able to go into settings and UNINSTALL Media Player 7.1 ... after I did that and had a reboot, everything was back to normal again - I was then able to dupe the Manchester CDs just fine. This was just a warning ... By the way - Media Player 7.1 is the one with the big blobby interface and the changable "skins" that seems to be a poor copy of WinAMP (has a "visualization" feature lifted directly from WinAMP) -= )-(eather =- >--------------------< hjames@thewebgal.com Heather's WebGal Website: http://www.thewebgal.com/hjames/ My Roxy Music Pages: http://www.thewebgal.com/roxymusic/ >--------------------------------------------------------------< ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:45:39 +0100 From: "Nigel Hollis" Subject: [AVALON] Rocking all the way to the bank... Should anyone be interested in the financial side of the Rock Tour business, go to :- www.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,3604,538008,00.html I have always wondered what sort of "take" Wembley Arena would command - apparently it can be as much as 50% of ticket sales - according to this article. Ciao, Nigel. ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:59:09 +0100 From: "A.L. Jepson" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's new album ROCK V 60's I just hope that Bryan's new album will contain original material instead of more cover versions. Alan "thom.wallace" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Whiteford > To: > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:26 AM > Subject: Re: [AVALON] Ferry's new album ROCK V 60's > > > Then there was a suggestion that he had taken certain ATGB band members > into > > the studio to re-record some of his new material - not sure if this was > the > > 60's covers or the originals album. > > Towards the end of the ATGB tour Ferry went into the studio with various > members of his touring band to recorddemos/material for the new album. This > is where his version of Dylan's "It's all over now baby blue" originated > from. This was one of a number of Dylan tracks that were recorded at that > time. > > > And then there is also the question of the Horoscope/Mamouna work in > > progress and the material with Brian Eno. > > If you know what has become of the above I'd be grateful - from your post > it > > seems the next album may be a combination of originals & covers. > > There is a lot of material of different styles in the cans that was recorded > post Mamouna with some dating back through the Horoscope/Taxi/Mamouna > period. The bulk of this stuff is sittimg in the cans mixed and is of a very > high standard. As to the how and why of it not being released has always > been a puzzle to me as there is a lot of excellent material in there. It > would be quite easy to put together a four cd set of unreleased originals, > covers and alternate recordings from this stuff without going back beyond > these sessions. I've been lucky enough in the past to hear a about 3 cd's > worth of this material and it's frustrating as a fan to know that it has not > been released as the quality is very high. Please note I do not personally > have any of these recordings, I wish I did. > > > I think Ferry's cause would be much better served by maintaining a solo > > profile of consistently released material - he must a lot in the can. > > As to what I posted earlier, these are only my own views on what may happen > next. I do know that a lot of the ATGB shows were recorded and have heard on > the grapevine that every show on the current tour has also been recorded > with the exception of Dublin. Sooner or later there will be a lot of stuff > coming out and as neither Ferry, Manzanera, Mackay or the bulk of their fan > base are getting any younger I would expect it to be sooner. again I can > only say that this is how I read things, others may view the situation > totally differently. > > Tom. > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > The subliminable footer says: > To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: > unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:02:07 -0400 From: "Grant Goggans" Subject: [AVALON] Bootleg vs pirate vs counterfeit Gene wrote: >A bootleg is an unauthorized recording, usually a live performance like one >made by someone at a show with a tape recorder or taped off the radio but >it >could include demo recordings or out takes. Basically, material the band >never intended to be released. >This is not to be confused with a pirated recording. This is a copy of an >album that`s sold as an original release. I've read these definitions and used them: A BOOTLEG is an unauthorized release of previously unreleased recordings, whether live shows, demos, etc. Since the material on them has not seen legitimate release before, it therefore falls in a very grey area where copyright is concerned. The artist does not gain songwriting royalties, for instance. I like bootlegs. Bootlegs are good. A PIRATE is an unauthorized release of something that's already been released in some fashion, however the packaging or track order has been altered in some way to distinguish it from the original. There are two types: A "PIRATE OF A BOOTLEG" occurs when someone takes an existing bootleg, re-records and repackages it. Best example: "Why Do You Think I'm a Funky Chick?" was reissued by one bunch as "Silk Circles," another bunch as "Cruel Fate," etc. The "Boston Pop" CD-tree made earlier this year was a pirate of the vinyl "Bittersweet" boot. I like these kinds of pirates; these are also good, but... A "PIRATED COMPILATION," many of which come from eastern Europe and former Soviet states, are "best-of" albums where somebody takes a bunch of tracks from artist albums, arranges them in some new order, sticks a photo of the artist on the front and sells them. You can see pics of a few of these on Roxyrama. These are very questionable, because while the artwork and the track order may be unique, you the consumer have the choice to buy, say, "Don't Stop the Dance" on an official album and ensure Bry gets his royalties, or the exact same track on one of these and he won't. A COUNTERFEIT is an illegal reproduction of an album, using the exact same track order and packaging. Most of these come from southeast Asia, and record store owners are very much guilty of deceiving the public with them. They are often sold to store owners in Hong Kong, Indonesia, etc. by gangsters for about one-tenth the cost of a legitimate recording, but resold to consumers for the same price as a legitimate recording. The store owner gets far more profit than he would getting something from a distributor. The triads and mobsters steal artist royalties and fund all sorts of other illegal activities. The artist gets nada from the sale of these, and the consumer gets a probably inferior product. Even the most conservative estimates agree that a minimum of 80% of CDs and tapes sold in southeast Asia are counterfeits. You will also see these in various black markets in any major urban center, sold from tables and booths directly from the counterfeiter to the consumer for about half retail. The RIAA focusses most of its attention on counterfeiters, though the media, deceived by the RIAA's own press, will just call all of these things "BOOTLEG CDs" and make you think they're all evil. As you see, however, there is a world of difference between someone making or distributing a CD of a show which the record company has decided *not* to market and sell, forcing fans to fill the gap, and someone making or distributing a CD intended to make a profit at an artist's expense. Bootlegs are good, counterfeits are not, and the two shouldn't be confused. "I am certain the Starbucks in Athens is the very best of all Starbucks, thanks in no small part to your good self. It is, nevertheless, a Starbucks." -- me to Bria, Aug 01 Grant Goggans http://go.to/popocalypse _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #383 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest