From: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org (avalon-digest) To: avalon-digest@smoe.org Subject: avalon-digest V6 #382 Reply-To: avalon@smoe.org Sender: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-avalon-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk avalon-digest Friday, August 17 2001 Volume 06 : Number 382 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [AVALON] roxy boots before manifesto [AMeyersLD@aol.com] [AVALON] Re: Si and Bry ["Tara Rogers" ] [AVALON] Live concert taping / Bootlegs ["PeterT23" ] [AVALON] Yes - info and offer (off-topic) ["PeterT23" ] Re: [AVALON] Yes - info and offer (off-topic) ["Sally-Ann Barbera" > Me, for one! Andrew in Chicago ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 04:49:57 +0000 From: "Tara Rogers" Subject: [AVALON] Re: Si and Bry Well, they both look a little gomery (is that a word?) But that sweater is something to laugh at... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:20:38 -0500 From: "PeterT23" Subject: [AVALON] Live concert taping / Bootlegs Hey now, cool thread about live concert recordings. The term "Bootleg" seems archaic to me, schooled as I am in the Grateful Dead inspired tape / cd trading scene. "Bootlegs" are NOT us, bootleggers are scum who profit from selling their unlicensed (and often shitty) recordings, at the expense of the band... or so the theory goes... GD and other U.S. modern live tapers, by and large, have a very solid ethical sense of Not Profiting. Even on this list, I've seen live cds ("boot's") for sale at what is clearly No Significant Profit. I don't think any real fan of a band wants to profit at that bands expense. Live recording of concerts is a rapidly advancing technology (unlike my grammar), fueled to a large degree by twenty years of enthusiastic Deadhead tapers... so next time you're slagging the Dead and Deadheads, pause to appreciate the sound quality of modern live recordings... awesome. And finally, I like complex music, always have, so do many of us. And for me, a really good live concert is something I can enjoy again and again, on many different levels. Sometimes my ears are challenged by poor sound, and the recordings I sometimes make can sound better to my ears after the fact then the music did on the night of the performance. Such was the case with the Roxy boot I made here in Minneapolis just two weeks ago: the cardiod mics (focused direction) did a better job of sorting out the sounds than did my ears (omnidirectional, therefore picking up more sound clutter from all around me). So I could actually hear details, like Manzanera's solos, better at home the next day. At any rate, any really good concert is worth half-a-dozen listens to appreciate all the fine details. Be There Now, as my favorite taper's sticker used to say... Cheers, Peter ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:32:36 -0500 From: "PeterT23" Subject: [AVALON] Yes - info and offer (off-topic) Hey now, folks, I've seen a few references to Yes on this list. Here's the deal, see! (Said in best "Fargo" accent, yah shoor, people really DO talk like that here in Minn-eh-sooooota...). I saw Yes in 1973, loved them the same time I was falling in love with Roxy the first time, so it was way cool to see both bands within a week of each other, thirty years later, here in the 21's Century... Way cool, and way expensive! Anyway, I taped the Yes show. This time I bought last-minute tickets - in the 11th row, near center. Awesome seats, awesome sound, awesome show... and awesome recording. I'd love to share it with other Yes fans. I haven't found a Yes listserver yet. Can any of you tell me where to find such a discussion group? Or any other place where I can find Yes fans trading live recordings? And finally, if any of you Avalonians would like a copy, I'd love to share it here too. Only I'm too busy to do a real tree myself, so again, the first two of you who reply, with a promise to re-offer it up to the Avalon list until everyone's desires are met, and the ability to make it through my grammatically challenging and self-consiously recursive sentences, those of you who made it so far and fulfil those conditions, I'll send you a copy of this show. It takes two 80-min discs... Yes, with symphony orchestra backing for most tracks, includes the Usual Staples plus recent rarities like Gates of Delirium, Ritual, Perpetual Change... Bloody awesome performance, Chris Squire on fire and never looking or sounding better, just a mind-boggling performance of long complex challenging music... Anyway, let's make it simple. I'll send copies of this disc to the first two who write back and offer to help distribute it on the list... If you don't hear back from me you'll hear on list soon from someone else... Cheers, Peter ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:06:15 +1000 From: "Sally-Ann Barbera" Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP Well..that told me! - -----Original Message----- From: tmoq To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Friday, 17 August 2001 12:15 Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sally-Ann Barbera" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:21 PM >Subject: Re: [AVALON] NP > > >> Now, thats what i thought it was...a pirate recording. thanks all for your >> replies. Now tell me...presumably if these bootlegs are done from a live >> show, surely the quality isn't that good on most of them? So, why are they >> so highly sought after? > >The sound quality, besides being subjective, is really secondary. Having a >copy of a performance from a particular tour, especially one that promotes a >favorite album, is a great find to those of us who easily overlook whatever >the quality may be. While there are many good quality stereo bootlegs out >there, most of my favorite shows are audience recordings. People who base >recordings on the quality often miss out on outstanding performances, IMO. > >Gene > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:11:14 +1000 From: "Sally-Ann Barbera" Subject: Re: [AVALON] Yes - info and offer (off-topic) Is this a boot of Roxy or yes? sorry, got a bit confused...would love a boot of Roxy, and would help do whatever one does on here when one is distributing boots!!! LOL Never done this before...I am a boot virgin! - -----Original Message----- From: PeterT23 To: avalon@smoe.org Date: Friday, 17 August 2001 15:37 Subject: [AVALON] Yes - info and offer (off-topic) >Hey now, folks, I've seen a few references to Yes on this list. Here's the >deal, see! (Said in best "Fargo" accent, yah shoor, people really DO talk >like that here in Minn-eh-sooooota...). > >I saw Yes in 1973, loved them the same time I was falling in love with Roxy >the first time, so it was way cool to see both bands within a week of each >other, thirty years later, here in the 21's Century... Way cool, and way >expensive! > >Anyway, I taped the Yes show. This time I bought last-minute tickets - in >the 11th row, near center. Awesome seats, awesome sound, awesome show... >and awesome recording. I'd love to share it with other Yes fans. > >I haven't found a Yes listserver yet. Can any of you tell me where to find >such a discussion group? Or any other place where I can find Yes fans >trading live recordings? > >And finally, if any of you Avalonians would like a copy, I'd love to share >it here too. Only I'm too busy to do a real tree myself, so again, the >first two of you who reply, with a promise to re-offer it up to the Avalon >list until everyone's desires are met, and the ability to make it through my >grammatically challenging and self-consiously recursive sentences, those of >you who made it so far and fulfil those conditions, I'll send you a copy of >this show. It takes two 80-min discs... Yes, with symphony orchestra >backing for most tracks, includes the Usual Staples plus recent rarities >like Gates of Delirium, Ritual, Perpetual Change... Bloody awesome >performance, Chris Squire on fire and never looking or sounding better, just >a mind-boggling performance of long complex challenging music... > >Anyway, let's make it simple. I'll send copies of this disc to the first >two who write back and offer to help distribute it on the list... If you >don't hear back from me you'll hear on list soon from someone else... > >Cheers, >Peter > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >The subliminable footer says: >To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: >unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:13:00 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Roxy to do something in 2002 Didn't he say "Maybe there's life in the old dog yet"? The maybe is crucial. Anyway I read that quote as a teaser, a reflection of vague possibility, nothing definite! Guy - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of David Firmin Sent: 17 August 2001 02:58 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Roxy to do something in 2002 Bryan said on Australian TV show Rove Live last Wednesday that Roxy would be doing something next year! He said there is still life in the old dog yet. I am aware they are doing a live album and possible DVD from the current tour, but I read this as maybe either something in the studio or more live gigs! Or so says Graham http://pub42.bravenet.com/forum/fetch.php?id=9612567&usernum=3542466064 *** ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:13:02 +0100 From: "Guy Lawley" Subject: RE: [AVALON] Punk connection [was: Related Topic] Seems to me this is really 2 questions: (1) Did Roxy influence the punk bands? I saw The Filth & The Fury (Sex Pistols story) a couple of days ago, and around 7 minutes into the film, when Steve Jones* is discussing his influences, we are treated to a bit of Roxy... without giving anything away, I think director Julien Temple works the clip into the narrative extremely wittily. If you haven't seen it, the DVD is part of HMV's 2 for 20 quid offer right now. (Bowie was another big influence, as Jones also says.) There's plenty of other evidence, but seeing TFATF so recently, and being so thrilled at seeing Roxy featured like that, I rest my case at this point. (2) If you were already a Roxy fan in '76, were you more likely to get into punk? My own experience says "Yes! Definitely!" but that could just be me. I think to be a Roxy fan was to appreciate something non-mainstream, off-the-wall; visually, lyrically and musically challenging. Does that sound like Punk? Works for me. So Roxy fans were more likely to get into punk than the average bod. Of course, a lot of punks and punk fans were too young to have been into Roxy before. For them, punk was the equivalent of Roxy/Bowie a few years earlier; a blast of fresh air** in a stagnant musical atmosphere. Something guaranteed to alienate the older folks etc. Guy * Sex Pistols guitarist, for you young people ** OK, maybe not so "fresh", more garbage-scented, in the case of punk - -----Original Message----- From: owner-avalon@smoe.org [mailto:owner-avalon@smoe.org]On Behalf Of InterEireann@aol.com Sent: 15 August 2001 19:53 To: avalon@smoe.org Subject: [AVALON] Related Topic All these lists of how Roxy titles are catalogued by people got me thinking about how certain taste appear with some Roxy fans. For example, I have often heard it siad that there is a connection between punf rock and early Roxy music ( some punk rockers have often cited Roxy as a fav. band.) I got into it in the 70s, not the spitting etc, but the Sex Pistols, Clash etc and also Eddie and The Hotrods ( who if memory serves me right did a great version of 96 tears ( ref to earlier discussion re: Ferry's likes ).. Was there such a connection or just coincidence that a lot of fans of Roxy Music liked punk later in the 70s? ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ___________________________________________________________________________ The subliminable footer says: To unsub, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: unsubscribe avalon ------------------------------ End of avalon-digest V6 #382 **************************** ======================================================================== For further info, mail majordomo@smoe.org with: info avalon-digest